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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:30:55 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: Andrew Birrell <pdandrew@iafrica.com>
Subject: Re: fuel tanks

The tanks are of diffferent size (and shape), so I don't think that you 
will be able to fit your under-seat tank at the back. You should be able 
to weld a bracket on the right hand side of the chassis, in order to fit 
your tank in the same position as before.

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Parts from The Homecountry
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 03:39:04 -0500 (CDT)

>From: Sekerere@aol.com
>Just a quick query-has anyone done business with Trakkers-the seat and
>accessories company in the UK? I am considering buying thier Dickie seats for
>my IIA. Also anyone with experiences of shipping costs etc, I am in Arizona?

FYI, Trakkers is owned by Warwick 4x4. (big glossy ads in the
magazines) The seats are produced in a room in the back of the Warwick
4x4 building.  I've noticed that the prices seemed slightly higher
than the seats advertised in other ads in the LR magazines, but
haven't compared the quality of the two.  I guess it would be a fairly
honest company to order from.

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Bat Fastard springs
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 03:48:08 -0500 (CDT)

I need to get new front springs for my 66 SWB, and stopped by a local
4x4 shop in my town.  They wanted 39 quid for each.  Bat Fastards
sells front ones for about 25 (I think).

The person at the shop said that the one's sold by Bat's are crap
metal imported from India.  The one's he wanted to sell were made
by "British Springs Ltd" which are higher quality steel made in
England.

But looking at Bat's ad, it _implied_ that they used british steel
and that they were made in England.
The ad said something like the following:

"[x] use british steel  [x] support your british workforce "

It didn't say "_WE_ use british steel", etc.

Am I reading into this too much?  Should I spend the extra 15 pounds
per spring?

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Bat Fastard springs
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 11:34:40 BST

FWIW,I wouldnt use *anybody's* non-genuine springs.
And that's the voice of experience:-(
BUT,having said that,the advert *does* say that the
manufacturer is British (or rather that the springs
are made in Britain),and that the manufacturer
conforms to BS5750,and that you have a 12 month
guarantee.
You could always ring them and ask whether the
manufacturer does,in fact,use British steel.
That is,if such a thing exists any more.
I may be wrong,but I cant see BLRS getting away
with that advert with the Fair Trading people if
push came to shove.On the other hand,I appreciate that
you dont want that sort of hassle.
One of the problems I had with non-gen springs,was the
bushes,which lasted the proverbial five minutes.(Just
under a month,in fact,these were the rear ones,the fronts
seemed OK,touch wood).I replaced the bushes for the MOT,
and two months later they had gone again.So genuine bushes
it had to be,about ten p extra per bush,and they are still
OK.Several years later.I wouldnt have thought you wanted
*that* sort of hassle,either.YMMV,of course.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 08:18:27 EDT
From: (Tom Rowe) <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Hideous is as hideous was

On Sun, 8 Oct 95 20:11:15 PDT Jim wrote:

>Saw a picture of the next generation Jeep Wrangler in current Car & Driver... 
>It is still hideous. It will have coil springs, ROUND headlights, 

Snip

What's wrong with round headlights? They are actually a better light
source, given comparable design. The reason mfgs. moved to rectangular
was for beter aerodynamics. Since a Land Rover (and a Jeep for that
matter) are "about as aerodynamic as a billboard" (to quote Al Tocci)
why not opt for better lighting.
My two cents worth.

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 07:23:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Slade <slade@teleport.com>
Subject: help

Help

slade@teleport.COM  Public Access User -- Not affiliated with Teleport
Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-28800, N81)

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Subject: The 1996 D90...
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 08:42:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Doug Carmean" <dcarmean@ichips.intel.com>

>  The US newstand issue of November Four Wheeler Magazine has a Defender
>  advertisement insert which is a fold out poster calendar measuring about
>  50cm X 75cm.  Pictured is a Rhino at speed chasing a Defender with about
>  2m from his goal.  The caption reads to the effect "We'd love to tell you
>  about the new Defender, not now of course".

The local LR dealer is finally having their grand opening party later this
month.  The rumor is that they are going to have the 1996 D90 from the ad
mentioned above at the dealership.  Apparently, LR decided not to fix the 
nice hole that the Rhino put in the side of the D90.  So, it's supposed to
be here, Rhino hole and all.

Doug Carmean
1995 RR 4.0SE - MTYDOG
dcarmean@ichips.intel.com

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From: Daniel Grambihler <danielg@eskimo.com>
Subject: D90 Purchase
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:24:50 -0800 (PST)

Hi All-

Like many newbies, I have been "lurking" around the list for a while
now. But now it's time to "come out" - I just got approved for a loan
to purchase a '95 D90 (red). They have to transfer from another
dealearship (I'm getting mine @ LR Scottsdale, AZ) - should be in
by the 11th. It's pretty bare bones (for now) but I can hardly sit
still thinking about that first drive. I'm on a business trip at the
moment, so putting the whole thing together has been pretty challenging,
but *definitely* worth it.  My girlfriend will be relieved that I won't
be racking up so many miles on her Jeep! :-)

I first went to the dealership in March to check out their D90 selection.
This was my first introduction to Land Rover's, aside from my perception
of the Range Rover as a yuppie vehicle used mainly for commuting to
Manhattan from Connecticut. ;-) I was very impressed, but declined a test
drive for fear of becoming obsessed with something out of my price
range. When I got home that night, all I could do was think about
owning a D90. The next day, I went back to the dealership to take
them up on the test drive. What a blast that was! LR Scottsdale has
a four-wheeling track on the Salt River (only about a mile from the
dealership) that put their demo through the paces. I got to take the
90 up, down, over, and across things that I would never have *dreamed*
of taking the Jeep through - and I'm not exactly know for my good
judgement! Anyway - needless to say - this started a *real* burning
desire within me. 

Unfortunately, I don't have the most pristine credit in the world 
(again, not known for my judgement :-) ), so I pretty much bagged the 
idea for a while. But I did start checking into internet resources for 
the LRs to see what I could find out about them (thinking that at least 
I could get a Series). It was the LRO digest that clued me into the fact 
that this was the last year for the US D90. So I kept reading the digest
and dreaming about the 90. To make an already too long story short,
2 weeks ago I stopped by the dealership again (just to look - ha!) and
ended up filling out a loan app. The first few attempts didn't go, but
I finally got my credit union to loan me the money. It's going to be
kind've lean for a bit, but hey - who needs to eat!? Thanks to the LRO
digest for keeping me informed AND motivated. I don't think that I
would've make the leap without all of you! (anybody have an extra 
plate at their dinner table for the next couple of weeks? ;-) ).

Now all I have to do is keep busy for 5 more days so I don't go
*crazy* waiting! (maybe I'll go take another "test drive"!)

Cheers! -  Daniel

--
Daniel Grambihler
danielg@eskimo.com
GAT !d(--) -p+/-- c++++/--- l++ u++/- e+ m/+/++@ s-/ n--- h+ f* g-/+
    w+ t+ r y++/--/**

Coming soon: 95 D90!

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From: MFIELD@MOHAWK.WIC.EPA.GOV
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:46:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Land Rover for Sale

To all Rover enthusiasts who saw my earlier posting and those who did not:

The 1967 SIIA 109 LWB LHD Land Rover I advertised at this e-mail address
is still available.  Those who have seen it agree it is worth every penny
of $13,000 for its condition and the many xtras included.  The only delay
is finding someone who has the money to buy it.  I am fairly anxious to
sell it as I mentioned in my previous posting and will take the first
reasonable offer from anyone who has the money ready.

If anyone is interested, I can be reached at:

(202) 260-8921 work
(301) 349-5712 home
mfield@mohawk.wic.epa.gov email

Please don't hesitate to call if interested you won't be disappointed if
this is the type of Rover you have been waiting for.

Malcolm S. Field

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:04:12 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool)
Subject: Re: '89 Range Rover

Rich Hansen asks:

>Hello,
>Some advice please?!!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Thanks,
>RH

I'm not sure where you are and what prices are like there.  But here in the
S.F. Bay Area, that would be a damn good price, maybe even too good to be
true...  I'd like to find one such.  Oh, never mind, that would just
complicate my life cuz I couldn't afford it anyway right now.  Have fun!

Cheers,

Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, Alta California Norte, USA
<gpool@pacific.pacific.net> (707)485-7220 Home; (707)463-4265 Work
          In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
                In the midst of his laughter and glee,
            He had softly and suddenly vanished away--
                For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see.
                          --Lewis Carroll

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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 13:41:57 EST
From: "Wharton, Skip" <wharton@mail.scra.org>
Subject: Re: 89 Range Rover

  
        
        FYI to Rich Hansen -
        
        Saw a nice looking '89 Range Rover yesterday - white w/ tan leather 
        interior - looked loaded (as I would assume they all are) - didn't see 
        the mileage since it was parked on the side of the road w/ a sign.
        
        Asking price was $14,999 US - so without looking at the blue book I'd 
        say you are at least in the ballpark at $14,500.
        
        If anyone wants more information let me know... I didn't copy down the 
        phone number, but I'm sure I'll see it again.
        
        Skip Wharton
        From the Holy City of Charleston, SC, USA

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:12:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel pump kit

Ben Smith asked about 2.25 petrol fuel pump diapragms.  I ran into the same
problem with an aftermarket kit ordered from Craddock or Paddock, complained
and was sent an OEM kit made in Turkey.  It too had the washers/pushrod
reversed on the diaphagm.  I called Rovers North, they were kind enough to
pull a kit from the shelf: some thing.  I went ahead and rebuilt my pump with
the "backwards" diaphragm, as the RN chap said it should work.  That was back
in Feb. or March.  I'd like to be able to report that it's worked fine since,
but to tell the truth I haven't started my engine yet.  My frame off
restoration is progressing nicely, but I'm not going to run the engine 'till
my trucks ready to drive!  By then the warranty on the fuel pump kit will
probably be over!
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
'73 Series 3 88"

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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 15:56:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: bfenwic@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
Subject: New Jeep!

 Dear Land Rover List
 
 	I am writing this message to your list in responce to some people 
 that have the attitude that think Land Rovers are the best off-roader in  
 the world and there is nothing else out there.  I have grown up around 
 Land Rovers all my life and yes they are top of the line off-roaders.  My 
 father owns a 88 Range Rover and a 74 Series III.  I personally own a 
 Jeep Wrangler myself and have been off-roading with my father many time 
 and have gone every where he has.  I not saying that Jeeps are better than 
 Land Rovers or anything like that.  If this is taken the wrong way I'm 
 sorry!  Remember that Land Rover's design was copied for Willys Jeep 
 if you do your research.  By the way, the President of Land Rover North 
 America son owns a Sidekick.  I guess all I am trying to say is be 
 respectful to all other four-wheels and don't live in your own litte world.
 Don't look down upon a person for what he off-roads in or what he 
 considers to be the best off-roader.
 
                                     Sincerely 
                                Benjamin K. Fenwick 

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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 16:11:10 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Parts from the UK.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Parts from the UK.
Hi Chris! I saw your post on ordering parts from the UK. I have requested a
quote on around $700 sterling worth of "junk". (transmission, springs, misc
seals, etc...) I sent a letter to AEW Paddock, then followed up with a phone
call, two fax's, another phone call... and after 3-4 months since I sent the
original letter I STILL haven't heard anything back. When I talked to them
on the phone, they did reassure me that they had my order, and the last time
I spoke with them they were waiting for the white-spoke wheels, which were
on back order. I'm really tired of waiting!!!

I chose them because of their prices, and their add indicated that they
export to anywhere. But, if you know of a better source, (ie: will ship
within a month of Sunday's!) I'm all ears! I'm not urgently waiting or
anything, but I would like to get the parts!

What do you have in mind?

Dave (forced th have great patience) Brown

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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 16:33:14 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Hidious was... and still is!

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Hidious was... and still is!
James,

A great posting! My sentiments exactly! I've just recently purchased the '87
RR and am loving it! I still love the 109, and 88 mind you. But for a daily
driver, that I can take off road (at least weekly) the RR is superb! I can
see how someone would trade in a *new* Cherokee for a RR... even an old one!

Sure, I'm probably one of the most parsimonious people I know, but you
really do get what you pay for with a LR product. Other's... you don't even
get what you pay for. Once you try the best, you can forget the rest!

Later.... Dave (joining you in complete madness...) Brown

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:42:45 -0400
From: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson)
Subject: 'K' MOTORS

I am considering purchasing a reconditioned 2.25 petrol
engine from  K' MOTORS.  They have quoted a very
attractive price for a lead free stripped engine
shipped to Boston.  I would be interested in hearing
from anyone who has had any experience with them, good
or bad.
 
John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI USA
 

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:35:08 +0930
From: Tiffany Downing <tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: New Jeep

At 03:56 PM 9/10/95 -0400, you wrote:

> Dear Land Rover List
> 	I am writing this message to your list in responce to some people 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> don't live in your own litte world. Don't look down upon a person for what he
> off-roads in or what he considers to be the best off-roader.

Benjamin

Don't take me the wrong way but you are very game to write a letter like
this to a group of Land Rover Owners.  It's not such a bad attitude to have
because we keep it to ourselves.  If we bag other vehicles at least we don't
do it to their face we keep in to the list, it is after all a Land Rover
Owner Mailing List, and Land Rover Owners are very proud to own a Landy (or
ten) and that's something rare.  I've never seen a group of four wheel drive
owners that bond so well together as Land Rover Owners.

Yeah you hear comments like "Get a Real 4WD" and such but they are thrown
around from both sides.  I'm sure the owners of Toymotors, Rice Rockets and
Bogroll's all say the same thing about Land Rover Owners.  It works the same
as Computer people with Apple V IBM, which one is the better computer.

Don't take it to heart just because you drive a Jeep.  Many of these people
have driven other vehicles and just prefer Land Rover, its as simple as
that. We all live, eat, sleep and dream about Land Rovers they are our life
(well some more than others - especially the ones with big Landy Loans).

If you enjoy our chatting then you're welcome to stay but remember this is a
Land Rover Owner Mailing List and we're going to be talking about Land
Rovers.  Don't bag the vehicles we choose to care about just because you see
a bigger picture.  We all do but in here.....Life is Land Rover!

Best regards

Tiffany

Tiffany Downing

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:53:07 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: New Jeep

 
It really is hard not to be smug when one drives the best 4x4xfar :-)

Seriously though, a litle friendly rivalry between makes does no harm, 
but it doesn't pay to be too one eyed, for as the proverb goes - smugness 
comes before a fall.

Take the case of my friend who bogged his SIII 109 up to the chassis in a 
custard filled salt pan near Monkey Mia. There were 6 young able bodies 
in the vehicle and we even had a Hi-lift and a shovel and we were only 3 
feet from solid ground .... three hours later we had not moved an inch 
and finally decided to swallow our pride and find a Toyonissan to pull us 
out. (My friend had by this time removed his "Don't be a stick in the mud 
- be a Land Rover Owner" T-shirt). Howevere the first vehicle we found 
happened to be a 110, rare in Oz, so our pride was saved. (there is a God).

Then there was the chap in New Zealand who bogged his LR in a harbour, at 
low tide. It was still there at high tide. The next day the local Nissan 
dealer ran an ad in the paper with a photo of this and the caption along 
the lines of "He should have bought a Nissan".  The NEXT day the dealer 
felt guilty for taking advantage and drove his brand new patrol into the 
harbour to rescue the LR. The last I heard they were both still there.

As far as 4wd ability is concerned, most owners will never push their 
vehicles to their limits, no matter what they are, and I have seen 
Subarus outperform Landrovers simply due to a more skillful driver.

I guess my point is that we LR owners are secure in the knowledge that we 
drive the best there is, and in LR circles - such as this list - we can 
good-naturedly criticise other lesser makes, but out there in the wider 
world it pays to let action speak louder than words.

Sorry for rambling, it's another quiet day in Port Hedland.

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: New Jeep!

Gasp!  A heretic!  I'll fetch wood for the fire, if someone else sets up 
the stake. :-)

Cheers!
John

On Mon, 9 Oct 1995 bfenwic@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>  Dear Land Rover List
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 36 lines)]
>                         e-mail: BFENWIC@uoft02.utoledo.edu         
>   FVMSLtd. is a registered trademark of Fenwick Vintage Motorsports Ltd. 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:06:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New Jeep

Tiffany locks in her hubs and puts it in low range...

> Benjamin
> Don't take me the wrong way but you are very game to write a letter like
> this to a group of Land Rover Owners.  It's not such a bad attitude to
/

You tell 'em Tiff! 

> Land Rover Owner Mailing List and we're going to be talking about Land
> Rovers.  Don't bag the vehicles we choose to care about just because you
> see a bigger picture.  We all do but in here.....Life is Land Rover!
/

EXACTLY! So, what do we do??? Draw and quarter this guy's Jeep?? 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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