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1 David Bartlett [bartlett23[not specified]
2 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca18[not specified]
3 manzem@PLU.edu 6[not specified]
4 Donald Unger [ungerd@ucs12Manuals for sale
5 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr20Re: Manuals for sale
6 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr26Four Wheeler Magazine!!!
7 Tiffany Downing [tiffany40RE: Best Off Road Land Rover
8 fiction1@ix.netcom.com (15'89 Range Rover
9 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A21Re: '89 Range Rover
10 jpappa01@interserv.com 54Re: Hideous is as hideous was
11 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (30LT77 Gearbox Fluid Level Question - problem?


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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 09:39:57
Subject: News from the trans-Africa team
From: David Bartlett <bartlett@hlalapansi.win-uk.net>

I recently received a post-card from Barry Dudley, posted in
Tanzania on 18/9/95, with some news of their trans-Africa trip.
Here is a paraphrase of his news, written on day 86 of their trip.

They are 2 months behind schedule, and travel has not been easy.
It appears that they have had quite a lot of trouble with the
"BEAST". (I forget which model Landy it is.) They have had the
engine out twice, the clutch twice and have met many good
mechanics on their tours of the workshops. Three travelling
partners have left them due to money, slow progress, and border
problems at Tanzania. But they are having a RAVE. They are still
hoping to get to the UK eventually (mid 96?). He says to those of
you planning such a trip: Reduce weight, Double your film, and
Quadruple your money! (Andy Grafton are you still reading this
list?)

Despite the difficulties, they seem to be having a great time.

David. 

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Subject: LAND ROVER MODELS MADE TO ORDER
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 09:18:16 -0500

E arlier thi year I was having some discussion with someone on the net 
about making them a model of their own vehicle.

I have just sufferred a MAJOR erasure problem. Woulkd whoever the person 
was please re contact me.

Thank you

Robin Craig

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Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 10:42:52 -0800 (PST)
From: manzem@PLU.edu

unsubscribe manzem@plu.edu
thanks

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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 12:15:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donald Unger <ungerd@ucs.orst.edu>
Subject: Manuals for sale

I have a 2 vol set of the factory manuals for the Ser.II and IIa surplus 
to needs. (Part Nos.606407 & 606408). They are used, but in excellent 
condition; $85.00 + postage, or OBO.

                       Don Unger   (503) 753-0113
                       1966 Ser.IIa 109 STWG
                       1973 Ser.III  88

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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 15:37:19 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Manuals for sale

 Donald Unger <ungerd@ucs.orst.edu> writes:

>I have a 2 vol set of the factory manuals for the Ser.II and IIa surplus 
 to needs. (Part Nos.606407 & 606408). They are used, but in excellent 
 condition; $85.00 + postage, or OBO.  --Don Unger   (503) 753-0113

 Ordinarily a good deal, except British Pacific in Burbank 800-554-4133
 has the same set available until the end of November at US$89 *brand new*.

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 cs@crl.com               [________]                            '65 IIA 88
             ___________.._(o)__.(o)_______...o^^^^^^
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 15:50:16 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Four Wheeler Magazine!!!

 =========================== MAGAZINE ALERT!!! ===========================

 The US newstand issue of November Four Wheeler Magazine has a Defender
 advertisement insert which is a fold out poster calendar measuring about
 50cm X 75cm.  Pictured is a Rhino at speed chasing a Defender with about
 2m from his goal.  The caption reads to the effect "We'd love to tell you
 about the new Defender, not now of course".

 This same issue reportedly features a Mercedes Unimog.  One picture
 overlays the table of contents, and there is a short profile on page 32
 of Craig Tull of the Texas Motorpool in Baytown, Texas, who along with
 Dirk Rautenberg from Port Orchard, Washington, championed an Unimog in a
 field of ten 4x4 vehicles at the 1995 Four Wheeler Challenge at the
 Hollister OHVR park in California.  Nice goin' Craig and Dirk!

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 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 cs@crl.com               [________]                            '65 IIA 88
             ___________.._(o)__.(o)_______...o^^^^^^
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:37:24 +0930
From: Tiffany Downing <tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au>
Subject: RE: Best Off Road Land Rover

My computers been "Off Line" for a while so I missed the original question
about the Best Off Road Land Rover.  I've read a few replies and have to
agree that it really a combination of driver ability, vehicle ability and
off road conditions.

We hold a trail about once every couple of months in different terrain,
sand, mud, more sand, rocks, etc, and there has not been one vehicle or one
driver that has won every single trial.  However the types of vehicle that
consistently did well were the 109 LWB Series IIA's and III's.

I have only ever seen one D90 in Australia, a nice red one, belonging to
Pete Brown from England, who happened to be visiting his family at the time,
and his vehicle absolutely s#*t on everything else we put up against it.
Mind you Pete was a bit of a hoon and his blackcurrent cordial became
legendary.  But when Pete drove his brothers Range Rover he didn't do quite
so good as Tighe who was driving Pete's vehicle.

So all in all I would have to say that although the 109's have been
performing consistently well in the trails the D90 would have to get my vote
of approval for the best performing vehicle I've seen.

However, nothing beats driving along in your IIA, bumping, clawing and
scratching your way to the top only to not quite make it and run out of
juice 1/2 a metre from the top.  Longer run up try it again..... I think I
can, I think I can.......YEAH!!!!!!!

Tiffany Downing

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Co-ordinator, International Student Programs
TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA
Phone:   (61 8) 226 3202
Fax:     (61 8) 226 3655
E-Mail:  tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:58:39 -0700
From: fiction1@ix.netcom.com (Rich Hansen )
Subject: '89 Range Rover

Hello,
Some advice please?!!
I've been presented the unexpected opportunity of buying a
1989 Range Rover, 70k miles, good condition for around $14,500(US)
I've always wanted a Range Rover so I may not be thinking rationally.  
Does the price sound acceptable, any known problems with this year, 
what sort of things should I look for/evaluate? Any advice would be 
greatly appreciated. 
Thanks,
RH

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  8 Oct 95 22:40:49 EDT
Subject: Re: '89 Range Rover

Speaking as the wife of a banker, talk to your bank and find out what the loan 
value is on the beast before you plunk your money down. This will give you a 
good feeling for what you're up against on the price -Alan

Hello,
Some advice please?!!
I've been presented the unexpected opportunity of buying a
1989 Range Rover, 70k miles, good condition for around $14,500(US)
I've always wanted a Range Rover so I may not be thinking rationally.  
Does the price sound acceptable, any known problems with this year, 
what sort of things should I look for/evaluate? Any advice would be 
greatly appreciated. 
Thanks,
RH
 

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 95 20:11:15 PDT
Subject: Re: Hideous is as hideous was

Saw a picture of the next generation Jeep Wrangler in current Car & Driver... 
It is still hideous. It will have coil springs, ROUND headlights, and a "novel 
four wheel drive system" - which sounds like it still isn't full time. I'm 
sure the price will be up up and away with this toys plus its dual airbags... 
And the current price of a 6-cyl Sahara w/hardtop and some toys is over 
20-grand. 

So is the D90 really overpriced?? A counterpoint on the digest was the 
Rolls-Royce/Geo analogy. Does Land Rover really need to compete in the entry 
Jeep/Geo Tracker segment. Given its current production capacity, history, 
target demographics, and model lineup, I think perhaps not. In any case, my 
observation might be moot with the arrival of the CB40 next year. It is 
rumored to be at a lower price point than anything else sold in North America 
by LR... And everything else is creeping up. The Ford Exploder Limited is 
stickering at 37 grand!! For a freakin' Ford Ranger pickup - leaf sprung s'box 
with a four door body schlepped on top of it! Metro West is right across the 
street from one of the largest Jeep dealerships in Mass. I've yet to see a 
Disco or a Defender on their lot! But we have a regular parade of Cherokees, 
Grand Cherokees and Wranglers being traded here! But most of us know this and 
won't be surprised... My latest Disco customer - having traded his `93 Grand 
Cherokee pointed to it as he was driving out in his new Rover and remarked 
"God, what a piece of s--t!" His words... We also recently traded a `95 Grand 
Cherokee Orvis (top spec) with (not a misprint) 650 miles on it! She hated it 
- having had owned an older Range Rover previously! Easy to move up to the 
Rover - tough to go back to a different brand. So, everyone - enjoy your 
Rovers! They're still the best - even with their faults and peculiarities!

The lug nuts ad running lately is really clever bit! It really isn't about lug 
nuts but is a symbol of the robust construction inherent to even ancient Land 
Rovers... 

Decent pictures of the D90 SW are beginning to sprout up in everyone's 
publication. Still nothing official on price- but the 32K number keeps popping 
up in the print media...

BSROA beach drive at Race Point in P`town on Sunday, Oct. 22. Flyer has been 
mailed out to membership... 

cheerz
Jim - quite simply nuts about Rovers - or perhaps just nuts...

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C Diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 21:08:22 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: LT77 Gearbox Fluid Level Question - problem?

Running a quick fluids check on Samson ('94 NAS D90) this afternoon 
revealed the following:  the fluid level in the main gearbox (LT77) is 
well above the filler plug!  Removal of the plug released red ATF.  No 
this wasn't the drain plug :) I don't know how full the gearbox is as I 
didn't completely remove the plug when I observed this.  Based on the 
bit that came out I'd say the level is about an inch?? above the fill 
point.  As with all other fluids it's in good condition; there was no 
sign of contamination by 80/90 weight in the small amount that came out. 

As an aside, I did notice that the gasket at the oil pan base, and more 
interestingly, between the bellhousing and engine are slowly leaking.  
The transfer case fluid level plug was frozen in place, so the level is 
unknown.  Judging by the drain hole at the base of the bellhousing 
there's no oil in the bellhousing (I've left the wading plug in for 
about 2 months).   Anyway I diverge.

My question is what might cause the ATF fluid level in the gearbox to be 
so high?  It's currently above the level to which it can be filled 
(isn't it?).  Is there likely to be leakage from the transfer case?  Do 
these gearboxes have a history of oil transfer analagous to that in the 
Series vehicles?

Thanks for you replies,

Jeremy Bartlett,  jjppears@ix.netcom.com

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