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1 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr23US Aftermarket Parts
2 Richard Jones [rich@apri38Re: Classic vs. Disco
3 jawa@i-max.co.nz (leonar8oops
4 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D15LRO Digest Syndrome
5 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu17Re: attempt four
6 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 39'87 RR Alternator, and Lock-Right lockers.
7 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc16Re: '87 RR Alternator, and Lock-Right lockers.
8 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (32Re: RR gearbox problems
9 Danny Phillips [danny@tl11Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
10 Danny Phillips [danny@tl18Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
11 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv13Re: Classic vs. Disco
12 ShaunC8958@aol.com 12The RR lean
13 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv28Re: The RR lean
14 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr31US Made Leaf Springs!!
15 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A19Re: The RR lean
16 "Soren Vels Christensen"31Re: attempt four
17 Daniel Polak [daniel@sys18best off road Land Rover
18 (Tom Rowe) [trowe@ae.age22vanity
19 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000427Re: IIA to III transmission swap
20 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000438Re: RR gearbox probs
21 EvanD103@aol.com 15Re: Upholstery Bargain Deals
22 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.11Esarco
23 vogel@shrsys.hslc.org 18How New FAA Regs Effect Land Rovers
24 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn26Re: Financing an older Land Rover
25 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn28Re: Financing an older Land Rover
26 rover@europa.com (Brad K25Cool (or uncool) Starting Problems
27 Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar58 Re: best off road Land Rover


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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 01:12:46 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: US Aftermarket Parts

 US Rovers,

 The Land-Rover 4x4 Connection Aftermarket Parts list for Series Land
 Rovers has grown to over 30 items (big deal!), and now includes
 High Performance Products with manufacturer listings for the Mallory
 distributor, Weber carburetor, Pierce manifold, Clifford header, Rimmer
 Bros. SS exhaust system, and Centerforce clutch (BIG DEAL!! :)

 Author/listmaster Mike Hoskins of Mid-America Rover, Kansas City
 Phone/Fax 816-763-3797, invites comments, corrections, and particularily
 additions of proven aftermarket parts to the list.

 Find the list at  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

-Michael Carradine                                      Rumpole of the Bay
 cs@crl.com                                                     '65 IIA 88
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com>
Subject: Re: Classic vs. Disco
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:03:53 +0100 (BST)

John Brabyn writes:
> 	Richard -- is it true that after stating the Classic would be available 
> 	into the forseeable future, Land Rover is discontinuing it in February?

My understanding (some fact, some speculation) is that the production future of
the Calssic will be reviewed at the end of the year, but if no further "fleet 
type" contracts have been received production will stop in February.
	
> 	Hard to believe people are actually buying that new nondescript looking 
> 	thing they have transferred the Range Rover name to!!!

The New Range Rover has been around for 12 months now, and is being produced at
I believe 400 units per week (against 70-80 Classics), all of which must be 
going somewhere.

There is a lot of re-construction going on at the Factory currently and they 
are extremely short of space.  I suspect that the thinking is that the Classic 
line space can be better utilised by a modern less labour intensive (read here
quicker build per unit) line building something else.

> 	(Of course I'm not at all biased!)

Looks like the new Range Rover's long term success depends more on its 
reliabilty than its looks.  If at 2-4 years of age the technology is still
all working reliably it will succeed, if not keep that Classic of yours in
good shape it will become even more collectable.
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:29:57 +1200
From: jawa@i-max.co.nz (leonard john hobart)
Subject: oops

er sorry about those other two messages, I think I have got the hang of now
                        
regards john    :-}

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: LRO Digest Syndrome
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 07:58:00 DST

The syndrome strikes again! Just back from Mid Atlantic and catching up on 
my mail I read of front prop shaft sleeves that shed themselves from the 
shaft. I go home and while checking bodily fluids what do I see but a front 
prop shaft with two hose clips and some tatty rubber bits attached. HAVE YOU 
CHECKED YOUR SLEEVE LATELY.

If you read it here it will probably happen to you.

Trevor Easton and Miss Golightly with a naked shaft (oohh, la,la) 

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: attempt four
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 14:06:28 BST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

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> (Loftys) fuel tank, does anybody else  feel this way? would there be a
> >Subject: 
Keep practising,you're getting better:-)
I beleive rear mounted tanks are available for 109 models.May be necessary
to fit a different exhaust system though,I'm not sure.
'Course,you *could* always change to diesel:-}
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 07:34:05 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: '87 RR Alternator, and Lock-Right lockers.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: '87 RR Alternator, and Lock-Right lockers.
Chris,

You asked if I had checked the voltage, and I'm embarrassed to say, no. I
have a digital VOM that I could have used, but I never suspected the
alternator. As I wrote before, my only clue that this *might* be a concern
was that at idle, the "charge" light glowed very dimly. (Only noticeable at
night, and went off when you gave it some gas.)

Nobody has responded to my question from yesterday, at least not that I've
read in the digest yet. Anyone ever install a "Lock-Right" locker in a LR?
Any hints? How difficult/easy?? Do I need new gaskets or can I use the "blue
goo" or the "red goo" silicon type gasket maker/sealer.

Thanks,

P.S. A rover sighting from 2 weeks ago... I saw a tan (maybe white?) 109 in
San Diego on the weekend of Sep. 23. Anyone on the "net"?

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:58:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Re: '87 RR Alternator, and Lock-Right lockers.

> You asked if I had checked the voltage, and I'm embarrassed to say, no. 

Sorry I didn't pick up on your mention of the faint ignition light: I've
been very busy (I am a lone consultant), and mental fatigue sets in after a
while!

I seem to think that I did mention "alternator", but I didn't have time to
think thru the whys and wherefores.  Glad to hear the RR is on the road and
happy again.

...chris

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:48:15 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: RR gearbox problems

You wrote: 

Date: 04 Oct 95 19:01:45 EDT
From: Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com>
Subject: RR gearbox probs

All, 

Anyone comment on this. I just took the RR for a quick off-roading. I tried to
get the thing into low range and nothing happened when I pushed the lever
forward. It appears that it is stuck in HIGH range, luckily !!! Anyone had a
similar prob, not getting into low range.  I suspect something has snapped or
broken, stopping the lever to engage low range, the diff lock still works.

Mark

Is this a relatively new RR?  I had a lot of difficulty getting my D90 (not exactly 
the same but perhaps close enough) to engage low the first few times I used it.  I 
also had difficulty switching between lock on unlock.  It seems that the mechanism 
needs a little bit of working in.  At about 36K now on the vehicle changes are 
pretty smooth.  Will it engage when you just release the clutch a bit and let 
things rotate or is it a total refusal to engage (or do you have an automatic)?

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 16:59:27 BST

I am hoping that this note gets through, if it does the chap who is having
problems with power when he puts his boot down, may i suggest that you 
check both the leads, and the fuel pump, i have had to sort this out on my iia
and she now runs great. in fact she will out accelelerate a ferrari (well in
a plowed feild anyway.)

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 17:13:17 BST

By the way sorry if this is rude just butting in but, a chap was talking
about max revs in a landie the other day. although no help to him i would just
like to let you know what the final arguement in the triumph six club 'when 
does a piston reach maximum velocity' was.

the chap wrote, 'a piston reaches max revs and max velocity in any engine
when you are racing from the lights, miss second hit 12000rpm and the number
four piston goes ballistic and number one is in your lap'. the editors
comment was 'nuff said no more letters on this subject please'. makes me smile
when i think about it and the guys in my lr club thought it was hilarious.

p.s. sorry about the poor spelling and english, i speak as badly as i type...

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:44:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Classic vs. Disco

Thanks for the info about the Classic's future or lack thereof Richard.
Hope my tongue in cheek remarks about the new RR didn't offend anyone -- 
I may even get one myself one day, you never know!!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: ShaunC8958@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:56:01 -0400
Subject: The RR lean

My '88 Range Rover leans noticeably to the right. The shocks are a bit old
but the suspension seems otherwise in good repair. A mechanic says it's
*supposed* to lean because the coil springs are different sizes on the right
or left. But it seems to lean worse than it used to. Will new shocks help the
lean? Or springs???
--Shaun Carrigan

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: The RR lean

On Thu, 5 Oct 1995 ShaunC8958@aol.com wrote:

> My '88 Range Rover leans noticeably to the right. The shocks are a bit old
> but the suspension seems otherwise in good repair. A mechanic says it's
> *supposed* to lean because the coil springs are different sizes on the right
> or left. But it seems to lean worse than it used to. Will new shocks help the
> lean? Or springs???

This problem does seem to get worse with age -- personally I think the 
spring lengths were miscalculated by some engineer in Solihull!!

New shocks won't make any difference, but new springs will. I replaced my 
rear ones with 2 new left hand rear springs -- being both the same length 
and slightly longer than the right hand ones. I haven't tried doing 
anything to the front yet -- but the above certainly helped. 

On the front there is almost an inch difference in the lengths, some of 
which may be needed to compensate for the slight off-center engine location.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 12:28:24 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: US Made Leaf Springs!!

 ===========================  HOT FLASH!!!  ===========================

 US Rovers,

 Leaf springs for Series Land Rover and other vehicles are available
 right here in the US direct from the manufacturer Young's Springs, Inc.
 in Rutland, Vermont, Tel 802-773-7237.  Bob Kirback at Young's Springs
 makes leaf springs for both the 88's and 109's.  The springs are made
 from manganese based steel which has very good flexure and requires to
 remain oiled, while the Land Rover springs are water tempered.  Kirback
 estimates a pair of 88 rear leaf springs cost about US$130, plus freight.

 Young's Springs, Inc. is listed in the the Land-Rover 4x4 Connection
 Aftermarket Parts list under High Performance Products.  The complete
 list is maintained by author/listmaster Mike Hoskins of Mid-America Rover,
 Kansas City Phone/Fax 816-763-3797, who invites comments, corrections, and
 particularily additions of proven aftermarket parts to the list.

 Find the complete list at  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
                                          
                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay  
 cs@crl.com               [________]                            '65 IIA 88
             ___________.._(o)__.(o)_______...o^^^^^^
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Oct 95 15:29:01 EDT
Subject: Re: The RR lean

>My '88 Range Rover leans noticeably to the right. The shocks are a bit old
>but the suspension seems otherwise in good repair. A mechanic says it's
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>lean? Or springs???
>--Shaun Carrigan
 
First of all, never trust anything with coil springs...8*)...

Actually, shocks have no loadbearing virtues - take'em out
completely and all it'll do is bounce, not collapse. Sounds to me
like you might have a cracked coil spring, or one's fatigued.

What kind of shape is the control arm at the botom in? Bad bushing, maybe? -ajr

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:45:46 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: attempt four

In message Thu, 5 Oct 95 14:06:28 BST,
  Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>  writes:

: Keep practising,you're getting better:-)
: I beleive rear mounted tanks are available for 109 models.May be necessary
: to fit a different exhaust system though,I'm not sure.
: 'Course,you *could* always change to diesel:-}

Hello.

Lawrence was suffering from incontinence last year, so i changed his 45l
rear tank to a 73l stw type tank. All (i think) series Landies have holes
in the rear x-member for this. Also (i think) all lwb's have posts to fit
the front part of the tank. But they might be difficult to spot unless the
frame is really clean. Get the big 73l tank. Mounts in the same points as
the 45l. Also, get a filling tube with a cap and a cover that mounts on the
inside of the body panel. You'll have to cut a hole in the panel as well.

If a tank full of petrol explodes it doesn't matter where the tank is
located.

I haven't heard of exploding seat tanks in Land-Rovers yet. But i'm
interested to learn if such an incident was ever recorded.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 21:42:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: best off road Land Rover

How do the different Land Rover models compare in off road performance?
Is a Defender better than a Discovery? How good is a Range Rover? Where 
does my Lightweight fit in?
Do the latest Land Rover models have the best off road performance or are 
they just more comfortable on the road?
Has this been discussed before on this list (I've just been following it 
for a month or so)?
I would assume that a short wheelbase coil spring model with a powerful 
engine would be best off road.

What is the consensus (if any) on these issues?

Daniel

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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 15:48:01 EDT
From: (Tom Rowe) <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu>
Subject: vanity

I'm in the early stages of putting up a web site here, but I've done
one of the most important parts and posted a photo of the Antichrist.
It's not very good resolution because it was only done with a flatbed
scanner. Eventually I'll put up a better one. For now, if you're
interested in one of the reasons my sig is what it is look at
http://www.cdr.wisc.edu/staff/tomr.htm

Actually, as I mentioned, this is a new site. It's running on OS/2. I
did have a problem with some browsers not getting a proper link. If it
looks weird (the page, not my Land Rover) I'd appreciate feedback (by
direct e-mail, NOT via this list).

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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Date: 05 Oct 95 19:59:59 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: IIA to III transmission swap

>>      Is this a straight forward task - does anyone know of any pitfalls I
>>      can avoid ?

>   take a SIII box and strip all the front stuff off of it, putting
>   your IIA stuff back in place, leaving you with an "all synchro IIA
>   transmission."

I know Land Rover Owners have a propensity to make simple things complicated
- why else would they buy such a vehicle in the first place - , but unless
you (and the potential SIG) enjoy having a dismantled gearbox spread over
the kitchen table I'd go the simpler and *probably* cheaper way and swap the
hydraulic setup for a S.III master-/slave clutch cylinders w/hydraulic tube and
hose. You'll have to make and weld in place some sort of bracket where the
flexible hose coming from the slave cyl. meets the tube coming from the
master. If you leave it dangling freely the tube will break just from the
vibrations. See that you move the hydraulic line well away from the exhaust
downpipe (difficult actually); heat-reflecting wrapper would be a good idea.
Finally, make sure you don't end up with a gearbox from a S.III 6-cyl.!
No way it'll fit into a S.II 4-cyl (unless you take it to the kitchen table..)

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 05 Oct 95 19:59:54 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: RR gearbox probs

>> get the thing into low range and nothing happened when I pushed the lever
>> forward. It appears that it is stuck in HIGH range, luckily !!! Anyone had a

>Does the lever move freely? If so I would suspect a broken linkage, if it
>was an internal problem the lever would be stuck/hard to move??

Yes, most likely a broken/loose linkage. The internal construction is such
that it normally *can't* break (YMMV), unless you run the T-Case w/o oil
for a length of time.
The lever, being a double-action lever (Hi-Low and diff lock/unlock),
consequently also has a double leverage (logic at work...). While the diff-
lock mechanism is transmitted via a little sort of inverted U-bolt held in
place by a rather flimsy cotter pin (this is much more likely to come off!)
the hi-low selection transmits a turning movement to the tapered end of a
selector rod protuding from the top cover of the gearbox. The selector lever
is fixated to this rod with a solid clamp that is, or should be screwed tight.
If for whatever reason the lever has worked itself loose on this rod, it
doesn't turn the rod anymore (sufficiently) and you cannot engage low/hi
gear properly. This should eventually also make difflock selection
troublesome as the loose clamp doesn't offer a secure pivotal point for
the difflock mechanism anymore, either.
All sounds confusing? Then wait 'till you hear this: The selector lever
mechanism is located so high up on the gearbox that it is practically
inaccessible unless you pull back and at least partially drop the entire
gearbox, which in turn requires dismantling and removal of the RR's entire
center console w/ cubby box etc. (not to mention frame crossmember, exhaust
and propshafts). (FTI of the Series/Defender crowd: The RR doesn't have those
immensely practical openings in the front seat box)

Rest assured of my sympathy...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:33:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Upholstery Bargain Deals

The October issue of Land Rover World has a tempting ad for seats, door
panels, carpet, etc from B.L.R.S. Ltd. (page 66-67 of this issue).  I would
love to read a testimonial concerning the quality of this stuff.  I would
really like some input from someone on the left side of the Atlantic who may
have ordered from this firm concerning shipping costs, customs
duties/hastles.   Cheers.
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Ga.
'73 Ser. III  88

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:40:42 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Esarco

does anyone know what happened to Esarco?
I sent a letter to their 10-year old address
and they are `not known' there anymore.
Did the company fold?

lloyd

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From: vogel@shrsys.hslc.org
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 21:26:55 EST
Subject: How New FAA Regs Effect Land Rovers

The FAA doesn't want us to park our Land Rovers within 300 feet of airport 
terminals.  In its unexplained directive, parking restrictions are said to 
apply to vehicles over 65 inches tall.  My source is the Atlanta Journal,
October 4, 1995, via Lexis-Nexis.  That newspaper included the "Land Rover
Ranger" at 71 inches in its list of terrorist vehicles.

As a librarian, I recommend Lexis-Nexis to you. The phrase "Land Rover" 
produces hits in 5658 articles in the last 2 years.  If you are associated
with an academic institution, your library may be able to give you access.

Tom Vogel
1972 S3 88"

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:20:24 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Financing an older Land Rover

> I don't recommend financing a Land-Rover that is going to cost $3,000 or
>  so.
[...]
> For a Land-Rover costing $10,000, financing makes more sense.  

I agree completely, and from experience.

> But given the number of Land Rovers selling for $3,000 and
> $5,000, and the sort of cult-y nature of the beast, I'm skeptical if a
> finance company would loan $10,000 on a Rover. 

Had no trouble with my credit union.  Got 2 appraisals that said it was worth 
more than I wanted to borrow (I could borrow up to 80% of the value) and 
signed a lot of papers.  Voila.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:20:27 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Financing an older Land Rover

Banks are willing to do a "classic car loan", it's just different.  Check 
around 'til you find someone willing to admit that it can be done.  I went 
through my credit union and had no problem.  

Here's the thing.  because the bank/cu/S&L can't just look the vehicle up in 
the used car price book, they need some other way to make sure they're not 
loaning lots of money for something worth nothing.  (Remember, if you skip 
town, they need to be able to sell the vehicle to get their money back.)  The 
way they do this is to have the vehicle appraised by one or more certified 
appraisers.  (My cu wanted 2 appraisals.)  The value the appraisers give the 
car is how much the bank will loan.  (My cu loaned me 80% of the appraised 
value, about typical.)  

If you're a member of a credit union, start there.  Otherwise, work on your 
bank.  If you want, I can send you copies of the appraisals I had done.  (and 
I can offer advice on getting the appraisals too if you want.)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 23:51:04 -0700
From: rover@europa.com (Brad Krohn/Deborah Shannon)
Subject: Cool (or uncool) Starting Problems

Fred:

I have a similar on-going problem, although it hasn't begun to show its face
this year. Additional symptoms include occasional backfiring if you try to
"goose" 
the engine to life on the road before it's warm.

Seems to me to be related to the silly single-bbl Weber carb, and the lack
of any 
pre-heating of the fuel before it hits the cold cylinders. Just flat out
doesn't burn
very well until the manifold gets warm and helps it along. Believe this is
one reason
the pre-heater is on the other carbs.

Carbs aren't my specialty, so someone correct me if I'm way off...

<brad>
rover@europa.com
'68 IIA 88 "Bugeye"

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:40:15 +0000
Subject:       Re: best off road Land Rover

> How do the different Land Rover models compare in off road performance?
Wildly!

> Is a Defender better than a Discovery? How good is a Range Rover? Where 
> does my Lightweight fit in?
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> I would assume that a short wheelbase coil spring model with a powerful 
> engine would be best off road.
First part last..

If I was to swap my 109, 2.25p with a club-members 90V8 super-
trialer, he would still beat me hands down. The skill of the driver 
is *far* more important than the ability of the vehicle.

The best:
You can't really divvy the LR products up like this - they are 
specifically aimed at different markets.
In terms of performance, these are the guides to use:
o Short wheelbase makes a more manouverable vehicle (good off-road), a
    long wheelbase smoths out the roughness of the terrain (makes for
    more comfort on-road).
o Coils have more travel than leafs, so they are more flexable and
    less likely to cross-axel.
o Coils are more pliant that leafs, so the ride is smoother.
o V8 engines have more torque and HP that the 2.25, so are less
    likely to stall crossing an obstacle.
o The Series vehicles are much easier to self-maintain & repair than
    their newer brothers & sisters.
o Range Rovers are built and aimed at the luxury market.
o Discoveries are built and aimed at the leasure market.
o Defenders are built and aimed at the utility market.
o Series vehicles were built and aimed at the "self-sufficient farmer"
    market.
o The 90SU was built specifically to compete in the US Sports/Ute
    market, where power and pose are important.
o Petrol engines suffer badly from getting wet, diesels will work
    in very wet conditions, so long as they can get dry air in.

So - if you want an easy-to-maintain, manouverable, vehicle - and you
    arn't too concerned about comfort, get a series vehicle. The
    series I 80" behing the ultimate.
   - If you want comfort above all else, get a range Rover.
   - If you want some comfort and manouverability, chop a Range Rover
   V8 down to 80"
   
Just my $0.02

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

    Hero Figure: BOFH..

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