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1 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu23Re: Lightweight questions
2 Richard Jones [rich@apri18Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved.
3 William Caloccia [calocc19[not specified]
4 sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM 36UJs
5 Daniel Polak [daniel@sys48RE: Lightweight questions
6 WASSILI@AMC.UVA.NL 23Original Discovery rubber floor mats
7 "David McKain" [MCKAIN@c20 BRLRC Home Page
8 "Guzelis.Pete" [guzelis.34RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
9 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A18Replaced door gasketing, but it won't stay ON...
10 BobandSueB@aol.com 28series head comp ratio
11 Oscar Montelibano [omont16information
12 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv20Re: D90 SW
13 Treit Le [Treit_Le@appri15Classic vs. Disco
14 (Tom Rowe) [trowe@ae.age24Re: mail to Alan richer Returned
15 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr23Re: D90 SW
16 David Rosenbaum [rosenba19Adding gauges to D90
17 (Tom Rowe) [trowe@ae.age29Re: mail to Alan richer Returned
18 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A13bodgered mail to me
19 Trefor Delve [delve1t@ne20Re:Adding gauges to D90
20 maddeng@Apple.com (gary 20Re:Problem Cardboard
21 David Rosenbaum [rosenba21Re:Adding gauges to D90
22 David Rosenbaum [rosenba16Re:Problem Cardboard
23 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob67Mid Atlantic Beer Fest
24 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob24Overdrives.
25 Robert Watson (CNA) [a-r21RE: Problem Cardboard
26 MFIELD@MOHAWK.WIC.EPA.GO55Land Rover for Sale
27 Cliff Kavanaugh [76262.20Newspaper article MidAtlantic Rally
28 TONY YATES [tonyy@waalp31Movie sightings
29 LANDROVER@delphi.com 19Re: Defender 110 owners with problem
30 rover@pinn.net (Alexande20Rally
31 rover@pinn.net (Alexande34Vignets from the rally


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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Lightweight questions
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 9:38:40 BST

Daniel,
Try writing to the Lightweight Land Rover Club.
Sue Foster
31 Slimbridge Close,
Breightmet,
Bolton BL2 5NT

Tel 01204 396449

There is,I beleive a facility whereby the Army Records can
be consulted to give you the vehicles army record(if the record
for the vehicle still exists)which may help.If anyone knows
about this,the Lightweight Club should.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

PS If its British Army,of course.

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From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com>
Subject: Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved.
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 9:58:56 +0100 (BST)

DEBROWN@srp.gov writes:
> 	All the dealer said was that "The alternator was sending the wrong signals
> 	to the ECU." I don't know exactly what, whether low voltage of amperage, or
> 	what, but it started every time, and gave no indication of an alternator

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the engine RPM information come from the alternator?
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Subject: Re: Defender 110 owners with problems
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 06:02:26 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

> From: Treski@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:48:15 -0400

> Attn all 110 owners:   I f you have had a problem of any kind with your rover
> that was fixed under warranty,  please write about it  here.  ex getting all
> 4 doors replaced because of a bad paint job.   thank you   

Don't bother writing about it here, this list isn't for whinging and moaning,
just send your moaning mail directly to 'Treski@aol.com', or you'd probably
get better results if you wrote to the manufacturer's agent and told 'em
directly how much you liked the vehicle, but how disappointed you were
that xxxx.

Cheers,
 -Bill

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 10:57:02 BST
Subject: UJs

Hi there, last week a friend had a similar problem with his drive train.  I
guessed at UJs as mine did the same when they went.  I crawled under the
back and grabbed the prop.  There was hardly any movement but it made loads
of noise when he drove.

The problem appears to be in my drive!  There is a very slight slope which was
causing the vehicle to 'lean' on the handbrake which kept the drivetrain taut
and managed to take up all the slack.

A later check on level ground revealed loads of play.

The moral of the story is put the rear axle on stands so that the prop is free
to flap in the breeze!

Another possible cause which I saw recently before my diff exploded was excess
play in the pinion / crown wheel.  It made a fair bit of noise and snatch and
jerking on take off.  This manifested it self as a lot of play in the handbrake
as well.  Easy to test for, just put the handbrake on and see how far you can
rock the vehicle backwards and forwards just using the play in the axle, prop
and whatever.  Play in the splines and ujs can also do this though so eliminate
them before condemning your diff.  Before it blew I had nearly a foot of
movement this way and I now have just a few inches.

Mine made lots of noise for months before it finally blew and stripped all the
teeth though.  This is probably not your problem though as my V6 does load
up the rear axle a bit more than most engines.

Never broken a half shaft though!

Steve Reddock, Lightweight V6

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 12:07:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: RE: Lightweight questions

FORWARDED MESSAGE from Mike Rooth (MAIL @ UUCP {M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk})
MR> at 3-10-95 09:38
MR> Daniel,
MR> Try writing to the Lightweight Land Rover Club.
MR> Sue Foster
MR> 31 Slimbridge Close,
MR> Breightmet,
MR> Bolton BL2 5NT
MR>
MR> Tel 01204 396449
MR>
MR> There is,I beleive a facility whereby the Army Records can
MR> be consulted to give you the vehicles army record(if the record
MR> for the vehicle still exists)which may help.If anyone knows
MR> about this,the Lightweight Club should.
MR> Cheers
MR> Mike Rooth
MR>
MR> PS If its British Army,of course.
***** NOTES from Daniel Polak (DANIEL @ SYS) at 3-10-95 12:05
Thanks for your suggestions!
I am already a member of the Lightweight club and tried getting info from 
the Army but they couldn't find anything about my Rover.
However I will tell the club about this mailing list, I think they all will 
be very interested.

Daniel

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From: WASSILI@AMC.UVA.NL
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 14:03:07 +0001
Subject: Original Discovery rubber floor mats

Hello Roverers,

I've just bought a new Discovery Commercial 300 TDi, blinded side
windows after the front seats' and no back seats, '95 model and I've
also bought an original LandRover Discovery rubber floor mat set (
great for muddy feet! :-) ). The floor mats for the rear passengers
are useless to me.
Someone interested? If so E-mail me at wassili@amc.uva.nl

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:21:19 EDT
Subject:       BRLRC Home Page

There is a new Web page for the Blue Ridge Land Rover Club located 
at http://www.coe.wvu.edu:80/~wwwatf/brlrc/brlrc.htm. Please visit 
this site and contact me with any feedback (positive or negative). 
Members of the club are encouraged to e-mail me direct so I can 
compile a list of club members who are connected. Watch for the home 
page to expand.
Thanks,

David McKain
1966 SIIa Petrol
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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Date: 3 Oct 1995 08:05:31 U
From: "Guzelis.Pete" <guzelis.pete@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Defender 90 sighting! Just got back to sunny California after a 2 week (3200
mile) vacation in the 4 corners area of the Southwest. While in Moab Utah,
spotted a D90 setup to do some serious off-roading. Never got a chance to
see/talk to the owner. Anyone know who ownes this one? By the way, my '94 Disco
never missed a beat throughout the entire trip except for a minor engine stall
while in Durango Colorado. This occurance after a super climb up the 13K foot
Engineer's Pass road (ha ha). Talked to a mechanic at the L/R service center in
Sante Fe a few days later and he said that similar problems due to gasoline
formulated for winter conditions being released too early in the season. Ever
heard of this guys?? No big deal however. I just thought that I got a little
dust accumulated after a good 1 1/2 weeks off roading in Canyon De Chelley,
Monument Valley, Moab (Canyonlands), Durango/Silverton, and Chaco Canyon. By
the way, anyone know of US-type replacement Air/Oil filters. I want to keep
using genuine L/R parts whenever but in a pinch I'd sure like to have an
alternate should the occasion arise. Bye the bye, our trip to the 4 corners
area of the Southwest should not be overlooked for anyone interested in our
American Indian culture. Lots of good stuff to see. To say the least the
Anasazi Indians sure knew how to set up camp! Unbelievable how these people
could have the technology and perserverance to construct very complicated
dwellings carved into the sides of mountains. All should see this. I've been to
Europe and seen archeological digs from the ancient Greeks and Romans and are
no more spectacular than that built by the "ancient ones". Have a good day!
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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  3 Oct 95  9:30:55 EDT
Subject: Replaced door gasketing, but it won't stay ON...

In the cleanup of my old friend Churchill, I replaced all of the rubber
gasketing around his doors, adhering it with RTV (per a tip in LRO).

Well, it doesn't want to stay on.

The RTV bonds well to the metal, but peels right off the gasketing
itself. 

I've also tried the 3M contact cement recommended for this application
and it was worse - it wouldn't adhere on either surface worth a rat's butt.

Any suggestions before I get pissed off and rivet the stuff on? -ajr

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:54:44 -0400
Subject: series head comp ratio

>>Rick asks...

>> How does one decipher which head one has......7.1 or 8.1  ratio.    I
>have
>> both a Slla and a Slll.......are the heads not the same?    Is the timing
>> proceedure different?

>Mike says,
>I believe that the easiest way to spot the differance is to look at the head
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>while on the 8.1 head the boss is a rectangular shape that extends to >the
>edge of the head.

>Cheers
>  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com

HI, 
The square boss appeared on the later SIIA and can be either 7-1 or 8-1,
It will be stamped (7 or 8).
The previous heads without the boss are 7-1 unless/until milled down.

Bob Bernard

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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 00:16:30 +0800
From: Oscar Montelibano <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: information

Have a LR product and in the Philippines.

What's this group about and how do I join, if I qualify having a Rangie.

TIA

Oscar

Oscar Montelibano
omont@mnl.sequel.net
75247.2423@compuserve.com

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:43:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: D90 SW 

On Mon, 2 Oct 1995 jpappa01@interserv.com wrote:

> D90 SW.
> * Full carpeting and interior (headliner/side panels) standard.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> * A/C still dealer-installed option.
> * No official MSRP as of yet.

Jim -- sorry to be ignorant; I'm sure I must have missed this on previous 
postings, but what does SW stand for??

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: Treit Le <Treit_Le@apprise.com>
Date:  3 Oct 95 12:01:57 
Subject: Classic vs. Disco

Hi all, I'm new to this list and do not own an LR. But am actively seeking to 
rectify the matter. I am trying to decide between a '96 Disco and and '95 
Classic. I lean towards the Classic, but wonder about the 25 year-old design 
vs. the 6 year-old design and the 4.0 engine. I live in New York City and 
intend to drive about 25,000 pothole laden miles a year for 4 years. Is either 
vehicle more or less likely to hold up. I had read that the 3.9 had head gasket 
problems at about 60-80k miles. What is resale value like at 100k miles? 
Off-roading would not be an issue. I assume that either one would be great for 
driving up unpaved Vermont mountain roads in the winter.

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 12:17:11 EDT
From: (Tom Rowe) <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: mail to Alan richer Returned

On Tue,  3 Oct 95 12:26:15  you wrote:

>---- message ----
>Error transferring to GOLD/CAM/M/LOTUS mail.box; Database is corrupt --
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Content-Description: RFC822
>To: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd>

>Alan, 
>Try washing the seals in something like Ajax. I know that when
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>(and it seems logical) the seals are the same way. Let me know if it
>works.

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 10:14:30 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: D90 SW 

John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> writes:

>On Mon, 2 Oct 1995 jpappa01@interserv.com wrote:
 D90 SW.
 * Full carpeting and interior (headliner/side panels) standard.
[ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]
 * A/C still dealer-installed option.
 * No official MSRP as of yet.

>Jim -- sorry to be ignorant; I'm sure I must have missed this on previous 
 postings, but what does SW stand for??

 Station Wagon, of course :)

 Michael Carradine, Architect                          Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA    <cs@crl.com>
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Adding gauges to D90

At the recent "all British field meet" in Portland OR, I picked up a 
Smiths gauge that reads oil pressure and water temperature on one face (2 
needles, each using 1/2 the face) which looks about the same size as my 
D90's temp gauge.
Have any of you added gauges to your D90? In looking at the shop manual, 
it looks as though info from the temp gauge is used by other systems (I 
had thought that I might replace the D90 temp gauge with the Smiths water 
temp/oil pressure gauge. I suppose I could still do it if I left the D90 
temp gauge hooked up, but just stuffed behind the instrument panel, if 
there's room.) Are there additional ports to hook up oil pressure and 
water temp sensors, or do they get "piggy-backed" onto existing ports?
Thank-you in advance for your ideas.
David Rosenbaum
'94 D90 (still un-named!)

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 12:48:14 EDT
From: (Tom Rowe) <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: mail to Alan richer Returned

Sorry, all. The major truncated the hell out of my message, didn't
think I had that many commented lines. Here it is again.

>Error transferring to GOLD/CAM/M/LOTUS mail.box; Database is corrupt --
  Cannot allocate space

---- message ----
Content-Type: Message/rfc822
Content-Description: RFC822

Alan, 
Try washing the seals in something like Ajax. I know that when
painting Airfix minatures (the little plastic soldiers and suchlike)
you have to wash them to get the paint to permantly adhere. Perhap
(and it seems logical) the seals are the same way. Let me know if it
>works.

Are you getting your mail Alan?

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  3 Oct 95 13:49:46 EDT
Subject: bodgered mail to me

I know, folks....they can't seem to make it work right all the time.

If anyone needs to contact me directly, I can be reached at richer@village.com.

     aj"I am # 6"r

P.S.: If that doesn't make sense, watch "The Prisoner"....-ajr

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From: Trefor Delve <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
Subject: Re:Adding gauges to D90
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 19:40:00 GMT

FAO, David Rosenbaum,

The gauge(s) you describe sound similar to those used on the MG Miget.  If 
that is the case, the temperature information is relayed by a thin pipe 
carrying mercury (thermometer principle).  May be difficult fitting this to 
a Defender just by virtue of the fact that the lead (if you have it) may not 
reach the appropriate point on the engine.

However, if the gauge you have has an electrical temperature input, then I'm 
barking up completely the wrong tree.

Trefor

tdelve@nectech.co.uk

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 12:24:14 -0700
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: Re:Problem Cardboard

..chopsticks? Thank you grasshopper, for words of widsom.  Mine keeps
falling down, also.  Single cheapest-looking, corner-cutting component on
the vehicle. Personally I would like to replace cardbroad with something a
bit more substantial, a bit more Land Rover-ish.  Unfortunately the dealer
says the '95 redesign (molded plastic) can't be retrofitted.  

Gary Madden
maddeng@Apple.com
1994 D90, green roys@cup.hp.com

>From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
>Subject: Problem Cardboard
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>1994 Def-90 (Red)
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re:Adding gauges to D90

Dear Trefor,
Thank-you for your reply. I suspect that the gauge is mechanical because 
it looks *old*. Also I don't have the tube that goes to the temp. part (I 
thought there might be a generic solution). I do have the tubing that 
goes to the oil gauge part....
I'll have to look at it more carefully when I get home, regarding the 
temp. part. 

Perhaps this is an excuse to start frequenting junk-yards (something that 
I was always doing when the '55 Chevy and '66 IHC Scout were my "daily 
drivers") Rainy season in Seattle (Oct-May) *is* the best time of year to 
trudge around rusty relics, with the mud ankle-deep. No crowds, no bugs, 
no risk of sun-burn.

Best wishes,
David

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:59:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re:Problem Cardboard

On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, gary madden wrote:
> ..chopsticks? Thank you grasshopper, for words of widsom.  Mine keeps
> falling down, also.  Single cheapest-looking, corner-cutting component on
> the vehicle. Personally I would like to replace cardbroad with something a
> bit more substantial, a bit more Land Rover-ish.  Unfortunately the dealer
> says the '95 redesign (molded plastic) can't be retrofitted.  

Mine, too. Not only is it ugly, but there's a ton of *electrical* stuff 
behind, which make me nervous every time I see it in back of the sagging 
cardboard: what if it gets WET back there? One reason I don't "hose out" 
the interior.

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 16:08:26 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Mid Atlantic Beer Fest

          Greetings Fellow Roverites,
           Finelee the server here's up n' runnin, so's
          that ah kin tell y'all 'bout them Lan Rovers! Yee
          ha, what a blast.
          Ok enough small talk, blah blah blah, there were
          lots of good-lookin trucks (sorry; Land-Rovers)
          out there, saw some interesting set-ups, might
          have to try some myself. Took Miss Lucky out on
          the trials course, with a little trepidation, but
          she did fine and made it through with only a minor
          scratch and a lost chrome piece off one of those
          silly sidemarker lights. Went out on a run in
          Quentin Aspin's 80 inch, and realized that I had
          been maybe going a tad fast. oh well. His slow,
          steady driving enabled us to enjoy the sights,
          which included my lost piece of chrome, and a
          certain arboreal(tree) deformation that looked
          surprisingly like a "johnson". This was pointed
          out by the female member of the crew, who promptly
          ordered one of us out to strike a pose... someone
          had a camera, and someone else had some big
          cohones, and the rest is history... We decided
          right there that instead of "Built Like A
          Locomotive", next year's theme should be "Hung
          Like A Tree". Anyways, all involved should withold
          details to protect the not-so-innnocent. The 101
          Forward Control Crew provided fun rides and
          exciting banter as well as comical clown-like
          activities like driving in reverse with someone
          working underneath and repeatedly firing
          their 10-Guage shotgun cannon. Neat toy that
          thing, no Rover should be without one. The train
          ride provided lots of time to show off our
          collection of unusual Land Rover parts catalogs,
          which make great conversation pieces. Also we fed
          Sandy a steady stream of jokes so he could repeat
          them five seconds later:-) Got to meet some of the
          OVLR guys and other list people, sorry Chris
          Stevens and Nate Dunsmore I meant to try to find
          you guys but I got too wrapped up in my beer...
          Watched with sadness as NOTAJEEP tore off one of
          their NOTRECESSED 110 door handles. Ugly. My
          roommate and Rover pal Will Hadley and his SO
          followed me down in his IIa, which despite his
          constant paranoia made it in one piece, and
          retained all its gear oil (on the rear door, but
          it still retained it). Actually it looks like a
          pretty serious leak from the front of the gearbox,
          I watched with amazement as a nearly steady
          stream of oil came out of his flywheel housing.
          We'll be having that out soon won't we Will? Any
          ideas/advice about this one will be welcomed of
          course. Looking forward to next year's event and
          trying the course in 1st gear. (Didn't quite have
          1st this time 'round)
          Ok, that's enough prattle, stop reading
          this and GET BACK TO WORK!!
          Cheers,
          David R Bobeck
          dbobeck@ushmm.org
          '72 SeriesIII 88.
          Miss Lucky

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 16:13:06 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Overdrives.

          Fairy/Superwinch are the same thing. Atlantic
          British may still offer Santana overdrives which
          claim a larger oil capacity. The Bearmach O/D also
          holds more oil and is about $100 US more than
          Superwench. Sort of hard to find over here? but
          you shouldn't have a problem. Apparently the oil
          heats up and causes pressure which can force the
          oil out of the unit, causing it to dry up and
          then break. Therefore the larger oil capacity
          could be considered an advantage. I guess it just
          gives you more time before it dries up:-). Dixon
          says you can drill and tap the top of the
          Superwinch unit and install an axle breather thing
          to help let off the pressure. Sounds good to me,
          anybody tried any of this stuff?
          Dreaming of going the speed limit,
          David R. Bobeck
          72 Series III 88
          dbobeck@ushmm.org

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From: Robert Watson (CNA) <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue,  3 Oct 95 13:38:44 TZ
Subject: RE: Problem Cardboard

I haven't seen the cardboard on the D-90, but the Disco has a bunch of 
cardboard under the dash that looks like it could serve as a good 
pattern for some sheet metal (aluminum, since it's a rover?) or plastic 
covers. (With insulation on the "wire" side to prevent shorting). I'm 
curious as to how long this cardboard will last after a winter of being 
kicked with muddy and snowy boots.

-- Bob W.
'95 Disco
----------
 ...chopsticks? Thank you grasshopper, for words of widsom.  Mine keeps
| falling down, also.  Single cheapest-looking, corner-cutting component on
| the vehicle. Personally I would like to replace cardbroad with something a
| bit more substantial, a bit more Land Rover-ish.  Unfortunately the dealer
| says the '95 redesign (molded plastic) can't be retrofitted.

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From: MFIELD@MOHAWK.WIC.EPA.GOV
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:21:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Land Rover for Sale

To any interested Land Rover enthusiast:

For Sale: 1967 SIIA LWB, LHD, three door Land Rover recently
          imported directly from England -- quite rare for the U.S.
          Some of its many features are:

          Newly rebuilt engine by rover specialists in England - 0 miles
          Completely refurbished frame                         - mint
          Series III transmission
          Recently refurbished drivetrain                      - 5000 miles
          Hardtop with new roofrack and side ladder               
          Soft top with hoops 
          Salisbury Rear differential                          - mint
          New Front Defender highback seats                    - mint
          New (6) Rear Defender seats                          - mint
          New safety belts                                     - mint
          New high quality sound proofing                      - mint
          New carpeting                                        - mint
          New NATO brush paint                                 - $100/gal
          New heavy duty tires                                 - mint
          New brakes                                           - mint
          New ring and pinion gears (not installed) F/R        - mint

I purchased this vehicle directly from England and have all the required
import documents.  I purchased this Rover for use as a geologist because
of I travel in some very rough country where I sometimes have need to exit
in a hurry (drug growers don't take kindly to strangers who work for the
government).  As such a PTO winch/bumper was originally included in the
purchase price but has not yet arrived from England.

Unfortunately, even though I purchased this Rover with intentions of
using it for my job as a government geologist, the government is now
threatening to lay me off (or furlough me for months at a time).  Because
I purchased this with a home equity loan, I am now have to sell it to
ensure that I can pay back the loan.

This Land Rover was appraised at $13,000.  However, due to my desperation
I am willing to let it go for considerably less.  I am not interested in
making a profit -- only avoiding a loss.

If anyone is interested, please call me at:

(202) 260-8921 - work
(301) 349-5712 - h
mfield@mohawk.wic.epa.gov - email

Thanx everyone.

Malcolm S. Field

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Date: 03 Oct 95 20:56:56 EDT
From: Cliff  Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com>
Subject: Newspaper article MidAtlantic Rally

Tuesday Oct 3, 1995 edition of The  Richmond Times Dispatch has an extensive
article  in section D concerning the Mid Atlantic Land Rover Rally.  Almost 2
full pages and 5 big color photos.  The Blue Range Rover (still nameless) in the
front of the line to the teeter totter is mine. 
There is a great photo of Tat Masumoto's black Disco; balanced on the totter, as
well.  The article mentions Tat , Sandy Grice the organizer and Nancy and Mike
McCaig the owners of Penland Farm (nice photo of Mike McCaig).  A photo of Scott
Miller and his Series 1 Woody from PA made it in too.   Also mentioned is Dixon
Kenner, Diesel Bob McCullough, Alex Barron, Bill Malone, Bill Maniscalco,
Kendall Wilson and Land Rover Dealer Greg Walker from Richmond Va.  Great Photo
of Richard Holmes seated on top of his '67 Dormobile.   Contact Richmond Times
Dispatch 1 800 468 3382.  For copies of photos Call 804 649 6285. Fax 804 775
8059 . If anyone from BRLROC reads this please have Tat forward his  mailing
address to me - 76262.1154@compuserve.com.   Cheers, Cliff Kavanaugh .
1988 RR (still nameless) 

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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:40:03 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Movie sightings

Yet more movie sightings - yeh, well, there ain't much else to do after
dark in Port Hedland except watch vids:

Black Eagle with Van Damme and Kosugi is a crap movie but has a feast
of sightings, mainly in the first 20 mins so you don't have to watch it
all. A battered 109 soft top, a neat 2 door RR and a very neat red
SIII 109 Safari in County trim.

Late for dinner - starring the guy who played Boony in China Beach has
another very neat 109 safari (II or IIA), plus a RR glimpse.

Cheers.

==========================================================
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Tony Yates                           (  ) (   )    (  )
Bureau of Meteorology               (    )(    ) (      )
Port Hedland                       (       )   )(        )
Western Australia                 (          ) ) --------
                                   ------------
ph:  (091) 401 350                 \\\**\\**\
fax: (091) 401 100                   \***\*\
                                       \\*\
email: A.Yates@bom.gov.au                \\

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 21:55:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Defender 110 owners with problem

Bill admonishes......

> Don't bother writing about it here, this list isn't for whinging and
> moaning

Gee, Bill...
First, we couldn't talk about beer...
Now we can't whine and moan...

OK... my overdrive whines and my old lady moans... Howzat???   :-)

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:47:58 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rally

Dixon wrote:

>...though I think the trials course could use a wee bit more mud....

We were trying, Dixon.  Since it's been a drought, were were *hauling in* 
water for the mud bog 600 gallons at a time.  Come this weekend with 
Hurricane Noel due to move up the Appalachians...we're liable to have mud up 
to the roof racks!  :-)  Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:48:25 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Vignets from the rally

Really too busy this last weekend to enjoy the event, but a few scenes stuck 
in my mind.

The Georgia contingent was determined to enter the tire changing portion of 
the Aluminium Man Triathlon in NASCAR-style.  Brought along a generator, 
floor jack and electric impact wrench.  However, the handle came off the 
jack and the wheels sank in the grass.  Technology bites back!  They 
finished fourth or so.

Mike Malone piloting the 80" through the sand trap.  Kept up great speed 
through the sand, but carried it into "the sankes in the grass" - logs set 
up in an articulation alley.  Came clean out of the vehicle, holding onto 
only the steering wheel.  He stopped/reversed when his feet came off the 
pedals.  Rules said seat belts had to be used.  His, apparently, were only 
affixed to the *cushion*.  Made for a soft landing, though. 

Jared Silbersher in the log chop/split portion of the contest.  He must be 
part beaver... Jared completed the task in half the time of everyone else.

The "Mountain Laurel String Band" playing 'round the campfire with a canopy 
of stars overhead.  Something about bluegrass music - it sounds better 
outside - especially with a fine single malt in hand.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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