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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Which brand of Overdrive?
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 03:34:43 -0500 (CDT)

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but I'm considering
putting in an O/D in my '66-88".  Not definite, because I'm content
with the speed now but it would be nice to not cringe when passing
Army trucks and Vauxhall Chevettes on the Motorway.  I wanted people's
opinions on the difference between the Fairey and Superwinch
overdrives.

Looking in Craddock's/Paddock's et.al.  I only see the Superwinch
advertised (almost 500 quid - ouch).  The PO had a superwinch on there
as indicated by the "Overdrive by Superwinch" sticker on the rear
crossmember.

Is the Superwinch a solid, reliable unit, or look should I around
for a Fairey?  (Or are there any other recommendations?  Toro?)

Opinions?

Vel
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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Which brand of Overdrive?
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:08:01 BST

Superwinch *is* Fairey.Or rather Fairey became Superwinch.
Same with FWH.As far as I know you cant buy a Fairey O/D,
winch,or FWH set any more.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 07:02:58 EDT
From: (Tom Rowe) <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: misc. items RE new 109HT

> Jan Ben <jib@big.att.com> writes:
>>I need advice on goodies available for the LWB hardtop.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> pickup, etc.
> Michael Carradine, 

The rag top is only available for the 109 regular (2 door), in either
full or 3/4 length.
Having said that, I read somewhere awhile back about someone here in
the States that had made a custom canvas top for a four door. I think
he cut off the pillars between the front and rear doors, and maybe the
top half of the rear doors. I think the article was in a RN or AB
newsletter. Does anyone else remember it? Has anyone in the UK done
such a custom job?

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 07:30:59 EDT
From: (Tom Rowe) <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Which brand of Overdrive?

Snip

>Army trucks and Vauxhall Chevettes on the Motorway.  I wanted people's
>opinions on the difference between the Fairey and Superwinch
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Is the Superwinch a solid, reliable unit, or look should I around
>for a Fairey?  (Or are there any other recommendations?  Toro?)

I thought the Superwinch and Fairey were one & the same, just from
different periods.
In comaparing the the guts of a Fairey with those of a Bearmach, it
looks to me that the BM overdrive is a better unit. Plus it holds more
oil I believe.

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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From: Guy Arnold <GUY@facade.adm.clarkson.edu>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:26:21 EDT
Subject: Movie Sighting

I don't know if this has been listed before but I saw the previews 
for the new James Bond movie "Goldeneye" and they showed a D-90 going 
off a pier into the water. When are they going to stop killing the 
best character in those movies just to thrill the uninformed audience?

Guy Arnold 
1973 Series III swb "Green Machine"

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Date: 02 Oct 95 09:24:02 EDT
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: ROAV Mid Atlantic Rally

Duncan,

 I wish we had a chance to introduced ourselves, I would have loved to see the
Turner engine!

 I was the one with the Aluminum SerIII soft top that came back around to help
find the other way out. Sorry about the
 few wrong turns but that brush all looks the same when it gets dark. I hope
you enjoyed the ride anyway.

 At least that trail gave everyone a good idea of what a LandRover can do, and
supplied enough stories to last until next
 year.

 By the way, I think those hills were both about 60 degrees

 Rob Dennis
 72 Ser III
 90 RR

 Rob Dennis
 Atlanta, GA USA
 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 02-Oct-1995

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  2 Oct 95 10:03:08 EDT
Subject: Brakes finally fixed...

Well, my old friend Churchill finally has brakes - and I'm embarassed to admit
what was wrong with them. 

Out of disgust with the whole situation, I finally bribed my brother-in-law
o com up and cast a fresh eye on the situation. He earns his living at 
auto repair, so I figured he was a good bet to find the problem.

To make a long story shor, it turned out that my rear brake cylinders were 
half-frozen;
things were moving, but not enough and not well. I should have caught that...

WHat caused the problem was that at one time the PO of my Rover had "rebuilt"
thje cylinders, in the process not greasing anything that should have had
rubber grease applied. Due to this and some wading, the pistons stuck to their
bores and moved only with difficulty, causing my problem.

After a cylinder rebuild, bleeding and adjustment I can now lock all 4 with no 
problems
and no pumping...Pleased I am.

Thanks to all for all the wonderful suggestions and advice.

      ajr

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  2 Oct 95 10:06:20 EDT
Subject: I wouldn't expect to hear from Dixon today....

... as he and Dale Desprey pulled out of my driveway at 12:30 this
morning with a 2.25 Diesel in the back of a severely overladen Saab...

The last bits of conversation I heard revolved around what they were going 
to tell Customs/Douane at the border..... -ajr

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:17:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: Lightweight questions

My Lightweight Land Rover has a chassis number which starts with 95. The 
FAQ lists chassis numbers but stops long before numbers with 95 are 
reached.
Here in the Netherlands cars become exempt from road tax after a certain 
age. Because of that I would like to have some official document stating 
the age of the car.
Does anybody know how old my Lightweight is or how I can find out its age?

The chassis has been replaced by a galvanised chassis. Is it still 
necessary to have this treated with Tectyl (do you call it that in 
English?) to prevent rust?

If I park the car outdoors and drive it a few times every month will it 
still be in good condition 10 years from now or is it much better to store 
it in a garage (of course normal cars would rust and decay but Land Rovers 
don't do that :-) )?

Daniel

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SYS, Supporting Your Systems B.V.  
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1046 AE  Amsterdam                 
The Netherlands                    
Phone: +31-20-6136323 Fax: +31-20-6135934
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:26:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rally was great!

On Sun, 1 Oct 1995, Duncan Brown wrote:

>     I only attended the rally on Saturday (it's still going on today)
>     but had a great time.  Well over 100 Rovers, lots of very nice folks
>     driving them.  Great food, great events, what more could anyone ask
>     for?

	Missed you...  I was interested in seeing this engine of yours.
	Was basically only there for Saturday (Had to leave 9am SUnday to
	get to Boston to pick up a 2.25l Diesel and then back to Ottawa
	to get to work.  Made it here by 8:45am...  Long drive

>     I believe we had one of everything somewhere in that group: SI, SII,
>     SIIA, SIII, Defender, Discovery, Range Rover...and even an FC101. 

	Counted 106 at one point, but there were a few more I missed with
	vehicles coming and going...

>     No question in my mind I'll be heading down there again next year. 

	I'll be back.  Had a good time there, though I think the trials 
	course could use a wee bit more mud... :-)

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:34:15 -0400
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Is It A U-Joint?

Hey, that Rover Rally was a hoot wasn't it? Nice to put faces to e-mail
signatures and really find out who's been offering up the advice to me
during my first year of Rover ownership. Thanks to Bill Maloney, Jeff Berg,
Trevor, Sandy, et al.

Anyway, after a quick field repair at Penlan Farm yesterday am...Nate
Dunsmore and I had to replace a missing alternator bolt (I thought I heard
someone under the Rover in the middle of the night...didn't miss the
overdrive until I got back to Baltimore). So here I am driving down I-64
toward Richmond at subsonic speeds when every now and then the Rover seems
to stutter a bit in the drivetrain. When I keep it under acceleration it
works find, but when I left of the gas a bit and then step on it again it
jerks a bit. This a U-joint, propshaft problem. How do I figure it out?

Thanks.

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:16:54 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: CHECK the Timing Chain!

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: CHECK the Timing Chain!
Date:    95-10-02 11:16:33 EDT
From:    Sanna

>>I originally had problems with the timing chain back in 1988. When I took
the timing cover off the chain had stretched to the point where the tensioner
was off the ratchet and the chain was starting to rub on the inside of the
case. It did not make a rattling noise then. The timing chain and tensioner
was replaced at that time with original Land Rover parts.

>>Now all the time I have been reading this Land Rover list I have not heard
other owners mention timing chain problems. Is this a common problem? Should
a timing chain have to be replaced within 15,000 miles? What would cause the
idler wheel to self-destruct?

>>Last question! Has anyone had experience with the Pad Tensioner which
replaces the idler wheel as shown in Rovers North catalog? If so how often
does the pad need replacing?

I have had terrible problems with timing chains over the 25 year life of
Lulubelle ('70 IIa, 2 1/4L, 88), finally solved about 8 years ago.  Let me
start by saying that your problem is not your timing chain; not your REAL
problem, that is.  IT IS LOW OIL PRESSURE!  The timing chain is
oil-tensioned.  If you do not have adequate oil pressure the chain will have
a tendency to "whip", taking out the vibration damper pad and thus increasing
the play in the chain.  This in turn will take out various other components
in turn. 15,000 miles sounds about right to me.

Let me say now that the timing chain is NOT a regular service part.  It is a
CHAIN, not a rubber belt.  Usually the timing chain is replaced as a matter
of course at major engine rebuilds.  Mainly beacause it is a cheap part that
is expensive to get at.

Now, let's get back to oil pressure.  The reason that you hear that rattly
noise at idle is that the engine oil pressure is significantly reduced at low
RPM's.  Another, and more destructive time is at high RPM deceleration.  I
think, if you listen, you'll hear that same rattle when you take your foot of
the gas.  At a steady 2-4,000 RPM's your oil pressure is probably OK.

When I bought the LR new in 1970, it was fitted with a useless Smith's
electric oil gauge.  It wasn't until I replaced it with a mechanical one did
I get a true reading.  Max pressure on the car was 42 lbs.  I think spec was
about 55 lbs.  I replaced worn chains and gears and vibration dampers about 6
times.  I broke one under accelaration and bent a valve (as well as stranding
me in Wall, SD).  I put up with poor preformance due to sloppy timing (if you
want to see something jump, put a timing light on one of these suckers).  It
even stranded me in Spencer, Iowa for a week (picking eggs on a chicken ranch
for my R&B), after the vibrations from the chain traveled through the cam
shaft to the distributor drive, wearing the slots in the distributor drive
coupling (that little doughnut thing), which amplified the movement, breaking
one of the mechanical advance weights loose, which dragged around the inside
of the distributor housing cutting it in half, leaving engine parts dancing
on the highway in the rear view mirror while I coast to a dead stop in front
of 60,000 laying hens.

I had a complete rebuild (.010 over) at 150,000 miles.  I was anxious to get
back out west, and the only part they were waiting on was a new timing chain,
so I told the shop to put the engine back together with the old chain.
 That's the one I broke 800 miles later in Wall.  At about 280,000 miles I
had the engine "freshened", as the brit mechanic called it.  He honed the
cylinder walls, installed new rings and bearings, AND REPLACED THE OIL PUMP.
 That was it!!  I now have a steady 60 lbs. of oil pressure and 330,000 miles
on Lulubelle.  The timing's rock-on and it really runs stronger than when she
was new (or so it seems).  I hope this helps. - Tony

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:43:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: I wouldn't expect to hear from Dixon today....

On 2 Oct 1995, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> The last bits of conversation I heard revolved around what they were going 
> to tell Customs/Douane at the border..... -ajr

	Mr. CustomsMan  "What is under the tarp?"
	Dixon		"A large heavy piece of oily junk"
	Mr. CustomsMan	"What kind of a piece of junk?"
	Dixon		"A Land Rover Diesel engine that at $50 was
			 way over priced.  The sleeping chap next to me
			 seems to think diesels are OK"
	Mr. CustomsMan	"Fine, you can go..."
	
	<sounds of Dixon scrambling to get the overladen Slaab out of 
	 there fast, though kinda tough with 600+ of iron in the back
	 seat>

	Of course, the leaking oil landing on the new Jack-all would have
	only reinforced my opinion that I have had it a while, though
	would have been hard pressed to demonstrate its usefullness
	on the Saab.  Besides, Jack-alls are made in Canada.  I was just
	repatriating it from a foreign land.

	Hmm, should probably drill a couple of holes in the rear floor 
	pans of the Saab.  Then it can be as incontinent as the 109, though
	the Exxon Valdez it pulled before Stowe in the landlord's 
	driveway... Oi...

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 12:13:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Drivetrain stutter

Chris,

> Hey, that Rover Rally was a hoot wasn't it? Nice to put faces to e-mail
> signatures and really find out who's been offering up the advice to me
> during my first year of Rover ownership. Thanks to Bill Maloney, Jeff Berg,
> Trevor, Sandy, et al.

    I was spending too much time keeping my 3 year old from
    disassembling other peoples' Rovers and not enough time trying to
    figure out who was who, I hope to do better next year...
    (Honest-to-God, he dragged the crossbar out of the back of my Rover
    and was heading towards other Rovers with it to remove their
    lugnuts; he even had the proper end forward!)

> overdrive until I got back to Baltimore). So here I am driving down I-64
> toward Richmond at subsonic speeds when every now and then the Rover seems
> to stutter a bit in the drivetrain. When I keep it under acceleration it
> works find, but when I left of the gas a bit and then step on it again it
> jerks a bit. This a U-joint, propshaft problem. How do I figure it out?

    Most common driveshaft problems (worn U-joint, worn splines, worn
    yoke) should be visible by grabbing on to the driveshaft and rocking
    it back and forth and seeing which pieces stop before others.  If
    your yoke is worn (like mine!) you'll be able to see where the
    u-joint cap has been spinning under the circlip...they aren't
    supposed to do this!

    Don't overlook the obvious: bits of mud, rock, sticks stuck in
    U-joints, boots, wheels, tires.  If you have locking hubs, use them
    to narrow the problem down to front or rear drivetrain.

    2 or 3 times since I bought my truck I've had the experience where
    I'm heading down the highway at 55 and there's this sudden
    horrendous shaking under the front end of the truck, and just about
    the time it sounds like both wheels are going to break away from
    their hubs....the front propshaft boot comes bouncing under the
    truck and out the back...and now all I have are two hose clamps
    jangling around up there.  My old engine blew enough oil out the
    vent pipe to keep this boot in a constant oil bath.  I'm hoping now
    that it only gets bathed when I change the oil filter that it will
    last a bit longer...I try to wipe all the oil off each time anyway!
    But these boots just never have a chance with the constant threat of
    lubrication...

    Duncan

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:25:13 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Manufacturing date of Lightweight

 Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl> writes:
>My Lightweight Land Rover has a chassis number which starts with 95.
 Does anybody know how old my Lightweight is or how I can find out its age?
 The chassis has been replaced by a galvanised chassis.

 Write to:  Mr. John Riley
            Project Eng., Traceability
            LAND ROVER
            Lode Lane, Solihull
            West Midlands B29 8NW
            England

 Give him the VIN number and other info from the plate on the bulkhead,
 not you chassis number as it has been replaced later (by a third party).

 Michael Carradine, Architect                          Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA    <cs@crl.com>
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: D90 Calendar Poster
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 9:43:51 PDT

There's a very interesting poster calendar of the Defender 90 Station
Wagon in the latest issue of Four Wheeler magazine. Check it out!

-- 
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Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved.

On Sun, 1 Oct 1995 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wrote:

> problem... The alternator!! This (rebuilt) was amazingly, the same price.

Great news Dave!! 

What is the theory behind the alternator problem -- I don't understand 
how it could cause the symptoms unless it was shorting out and lowering 
the available voltage to the ignition or something???

Cheers

JOhn Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 10:44:34 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved.

*** Resending note of 10/02/95 10:09
FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved.
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From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
On Sun, 1 Oct 1995 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wrote:

> problem... The alternator!! This (rebuilt) was amazingly, the same price.

> Great news Dave!!

> What is the theory behind the alternator problem -- I don't understand
> how it could cause the symptoms unless it was shorting out and lowering
> the available voltage to the ignition or something???

> Cheers

> JOhn Brabyn > 89RR

John, and others,

All the dealer said was that "The alternator was sending the wrong signals
to the ECU." I don't know exactly what, whether low voltage of amperage, or
what, but it started every time, and gave no indication of an alternator
problem *except* that at idle, the alternator light glowed very dimly. So
dim, that it was only noticeable at night. Also, turning on or off all
electrical things (lights, A/C fan, radio, etc...) made no difference on the
light glowing dimly.

And, this being a "new" vehicle to me, I didn't know if this was "normal"
for RR's. (Doesn't glow now, so it must not have been normal.)

Now, to attack the noisy lifter. Anyone know of a "mild performance" cam I
can put in? Something that won't affect the computer, but provide a bit more
"pep".

P.S. I got the "button cap" for the power seat from LR dealer for $6. (one)
Then I went to the local Mercedes dealer and got the other 3 for $1.40 and
$1.60, for a total of less than the one I bought at the LR dealer! (Maybe I
should have gone to the "M" dealer for the alternator!) ;-)

P.P.S. I "rebuilt" one of the p-seat switches, and have regained *some* of
the functions... not the ideal solution, but an improvement.

Thanks again, to all who have helped (or tried to) solve the RR performance
problem I had. Anyone of you who offered some help, would you care for a
free lunch? (In the Phoenix area.) I'm not rich (by *any* means) but I *am*
grateful!

P.P.P.S. I contacted Lock-Rite, and have a locker on order for the RR. I
can't wait! (Refer to previous posts on my lack of patience!!) ;-)

Dave  ;-)  Brown

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Def-90 Spark Plugs
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:51:04 PDT

Def-90 Spark Plugs:

An interesting thing happened yesterday. I was looking under the hood of my
Def-90, making sure all the fluids were topped off etc, I just happened to
glance at the spark plug wires, I noticed to my suprise! that two of them 
were almost ready to fall of the spark plugs! I pushed them back into place
and they popped right on. 

The interesting thing is that I had noticed a slight drop of power in the
last weeks of driving, and that the temp guage had been running 1 notch
hotter than normal. After putting the plugs back into place, the power is
back, and the temp guage is right in the center.

I will definately need to check the wires more often, I have no idea how 
long they were detached (I just had the 7500 miles service done, the truck
is 5 months old).

My question is, I can understand the lack of power of course, but why the
higher temp with plugs not firing? and you would think there would have
been a more noticeable power loss?

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
Cupertino California
1994 Def-90 (Red)

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Subject: Re: Manufacturing date of Lightweight 
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 11:10:30 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

  
     Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl> wrotes:
> >My Lightweight Land Rover has a chassis number which starts with 95.
>  Does anybody know how old my Lightweight is or how I can find out its age?
>  The chassis has been replaced by a galvanised chassis.
  
Michael Carradine wrote:
>  Give him the VIN number and other info from the plate on the bulkhead,
>  not you chassis number as it has been replaced later (by a third party).

	the 95x (x=1..5) were built from 1972 to Oct 1, 1979.  Starting Oct
1, 1979 Land Rover started using VINs.  So this Rover has a serial number not
a VIN number.

Ben 

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:11:49 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Rally

Amazing...ROAV broke a 20 year record...it did *not* rain.  In fact, the 
weather was perfect.  We had 106 registered vehicles and another dozen or so 
that did not register or were from various comapnies.  Maybe 120+ vehicles 
with well over 225 people.

The Results:

The Aluminium Man Triathlon (TM):
1) Dennis Perzynski driving a 110.  He won a pair of Dunlop Radial Rover 
tires, the trophy, a Camel Trophy liscense plate and a Camel Trophy t-shirt.
2)Quintin Aspin driving the '51 80".
3) Julian Brace in a D-90.
4) Jared Silbersher in the 101.

The teeter-totter:
1) "Diesel Bob" McCullough (*9* seconds!)
2) Jackie Bookout.
3) Danny Marko.
4) Brian Julian.

Most Functional: Jared Silbersher's 101 Forward Control.

People's Choice: Scott Miller in an unusual Series One "woody" or 'shooting 
brake' 

Greatest Distance Traveled: Danny Marko - West Palm Beach, FL; Gene Nault 
and Rick Sanders, Sarasota, FL.

For you local list members, a photo spread will appear in Tuesday's Richmond 
Times Dispatch.  And we haven't learned our lesson yet...we'll be doing it 
again next year, but one week later - the *first* weekend of October.  I'll 
leave the actual description of the rally to the other 'netters that were 
there.  Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:25:18 -0700
From: burns@lint.cisco.com (Russell burns)
Subject: Re: Def-90 Spark Plugs

Those two cylinders were probably misfiring.

At 10:51 AM 10/2/95 PDT, Leland J Roys wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Def-90 Spark Plugs:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)]
>roys@cup.hp.com
>Cupertino California
>1994 Def-90 (Red)
Russ Burns________________________________________________________________
CiscoSystems

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:34:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: Manufacturing date of Lightweight

Thanks for your quick reply. The chassis has been replaced, but the chassis 
number is on the left side of the body instead of on the chassis on a 
Lightweight. I checked but could find nothing on the bulkhead. I'll write 
to the Land Rover address you gave me.

Thanks again,

Daniel

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re:Martha's Vineyard sightings

A friend of mine just returned from MV with his 88" - said that the 109" 
was Cristy Brinkley and Billy Joel's truck.  Asking price was $19k.  
About 3 years ago, I remember seeing a picture of Cristy and the truck - 
naturally, it reaffirmed my feeling that Land Rovers are beautiful things...

Frank

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 17:01 EDT
From: jhoward@atlas.usno.navy.mil (James D. Howard)
Subject: New Orleans

I made a weekend trip to New Orleans.  While walking around the French
Quarter, I came across a SIIA 88 on Chartes St..  It was well used,
and well cared for.  It had a resident parking sticker, and also had a
Camel Trophy 1991 sticker on the front bumper.  Somehow, surrounded by
all those beautiful old buildings, the Land Rover seemed to fit.  Wish
I had met the owner.

James

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Problem Cardboard
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:11:29 PDT

Problem Cardboard:

Well I finally have the answer, The piece of cardboard that covers the
wires on the passenger side (1994 Def-90) was constantly falling off. I
gave up having the dealer fix it (both times I took it in for service they
said they fixed it, later it would fall down again). 

Well, I noticed yesterday that it was no longer falling off, my girlfriend
said she had placed 2 chopsticks under the cardboard where it fits in the
metal tabs. My gosh it worked! (Yes I did try tapeing it before, but it 
looked ugly).

So I now have the answer to the falling cardboard, chopsticks!

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
1994 Def-90 (Red)

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Date: 02 Oct 95 17:03:22 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Stephen O'Hearn

I have been responding to the named above about some Rover parts for sale and
ahve been unsuccessful at contacting him. If anybody is familiar with him could
you please tell him to E-mail me to let me know if the lights he had advertised
are still for sale.

						Mark Ritter 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 22:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: It's all a question of timing...

Rick asks...

> How does one decipher which head one has......7.1 or 8.1  ratio.    I have
> both a Slla and a Slll.......are the heads not the same?    Is the timing
> proceedure different?
/

I believe that the easiest way to spot the differance is to look at the head
bolt directly opposite the carburetor. Specifically, the raised boss in the
head where the bolt is. On the 7.1 head, the boss is like all the others,
while on the 8.1 head the boss is a rectangular shape that extends to the
edge of the head.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:35:09 PDT
Subject: Re: 	D90 SW 

A little more info on the now imminent D90 SW.

* No external D110-style cage. External appearance is truncated cage same as 
limited aluminum hardtop for 1994. Difference inside is a full hoop behind 
front seats similar to D110 hoop. Literature calls it special 
exterior/interior safari cage.

* Somewhat revised fascia - but photos that I have seen could be early 
prototype - still not sure. We got new brochures at Metro West other day on 
Defender but were identical to regular 1995 brochure. Suspect dedicated 
brochure again similar to 1993 D110 glossy.

* FINALLY!* Rear mud flaps to be available for D90. I fervently hope that they 
will fit the normal D90 and that the exhaust layout wasn't modified for the 
D90 SW.

* Full carpeting and interior (headliner/side panels) standard.

* Colors are all-white, blue-white roof, green-white roof.

* A/C still dealer-installed option.

* No official MSRP as of yet.

Will revert with any more info.

BSROA Fall Heritage IV was a great success with over 30 vehicles and 60 
persons in attendance in our new venue in the gorgeous Berkshires. Scenery was 
breath-taking all weekend long. Many convoys. Neat mini-off road course carved 
out by Denis Nault & Co., followed by some neat rock-climbing going up the 
backside of Jiminy Peak! Pig roast, raffle, partying. Thanks for great raffle 
prizes by Land Rover Metro West and Rovers North! Plans well under way for 
next year. Same time. Same place. Look for night time off road course. 
ARC-style taxed vehicle course. More off-road with lunch at summit. Vehicles 
in attendance inlcuded Discos, a 4.0 SE (!), twelve (!) Defender 90s, 2-door 
Range Rovers, Range Rover County, Series included 2, 2A, 3, 88 + 109 military. 
Convoy home was via Mohawk trail and lunch atop Mt. Graylock. Members received 
goodie bag courtesy of BSROA and LRNA. See you next year! 

Next BSROA event is Race Point 2 beach drive on Sunday, Oct. 22. Flyer to be 
mailed out this week to members.

cheerz

Jim - I got blistaz on my fingaz!

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:38:51 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rally stuff

Just got back to town and fired up the ol' box.  Had quite a few messages 
waiting, some dating from last Friday.  Though we had a link at the rally, 
the land lines were particularly awful in that part of the country, and the 
mail server back here in town was barfing at everything.  So my appologies 
to those that I did not return messages to.  It was just too much of a 
hassle and too damned slow trying to get messages in/out.  (I could send one 
and maybe a fragment of another before the system would hang.)  Gonna have 
to haver a talk with the service provider....
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: Treski@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:48:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Defender 110 owners with problems

Attn all 110 owners:   I f you have had a problem of any kind with your rover
that was fixed under warranty,  please write about it  here.  ex getting all
4 doors replaced because of a bad paint job.   thank you   

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:28:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Kirkpatrick - INEN/F94 <jkirkpat@acs.ryerson.ca>
Subject: Series I Wheel Cylinders?

I was replacing the brakelines on my '55 when I stripped out the 
bleed screw thread from the casting and figure its replacement time.  
Can I use the spare I have for my IIA or do I have to use a Series I 
wheel cylinder?

While on the subject is it usual to have no bleed nipple on the rear two 
cylinders?  They are just flat hexhead screws, if its normal how do I 
bleed the system?

Jay Kirkpatrick
Jkirkpat@acs.ryerson.ca

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