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1 Andy Dingley [dingbat@co33Re: Rangie Steering
2 compuserve [72647.2641@c15Is this a good idea?
3 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc13Clarification of E-mail Address
4 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc13Other Schematic Diagrams
5 TONY YATES [tonyy@waalp31Re: French lessons
6 David John Place [umplac7more techy questions
7 haystack@netspace.net.au54LR 110 Pre-purchase questions
8 Tiffany Downing [tiffany50For Sale - Australia
9 Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004.79Heart transplant A-OK
10 CpaulP@aol.com 12Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
11 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu31Re: RR stuff
12 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn26Re: British Car Meet


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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 13:06:49
From: Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Rangie Steering

In article: <199509080755.CAA16743@butler.uk.stratus.com> owner-lro-digest@uk.stratus.com writes:
> the road, and for a brief time, she went "whap, whap, whap" up there while
> cornering.  All my mechanic could find wrong were the tie-rod ends, but now
> that they're replaced it's gotten much worse.  How's your experience been?

Probably radius rod bushes?   (They'll be shot after 90K)
Rubber replacements are OK, PU are stronger but give a harsher ride on-road.

Check the tracking and toe out. Make sure it's adjusted by a mechanic who 
knows that Landies toe *out*, not *in* !

Steering box ? Expensive, but they don't last for ever  8-(

I'd change the bushes, on the basis that they're probably starting to crack 
from age. 

While you have the tie rod off, check the pre-load on the steering swivels.
This rarely goes wrong, but it's easy to check. With the steering rods 
disconnected and a wheel off, check that the steering swivel takes around 3lbs 
to move it. Too loose means that the shims under the top of the swivel need 
adjusting, and this may cause steering looseness. Check the oil level in the 
hubs too. If the swivels are continually out of adjustment, check that the 
bearings aren't worn out, although that takes a bit of dismantling.

--
Andy Dingley                          dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk                                          

'85 Rangie

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Date: 10 Sep 95 13:54:11 EDT
From: compuserve <72647.2641@compuserve.com>
Subject: Is this a good idea?

O.K. everyone,

Would it be a good idea to find a good frame of a parts truck and have it hot
dipped?
How much would the galvinization cost?
Where could I get it done?
How long does it take to swap a chassis?(first time)

                                       Thanks,
                                       Will Cantrell

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:10:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Clarification of E-mail Address

My main email address is haslam@alcor.concordia.ca

Please use C.Haslam@ieee.ca
This is, I hope, immutable.  It is an alias.

haslam@concordia.ca was an error, due to my misunderstanding of Unix Pine.

...chris haslam

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:13:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Other Schematic Diagrams

I also have schematics for:

- 79 RR (2 diagrams), and
- 80 Rover SD1 (9 diagrams plus List by Wire Colour and Component Locations)

Is there any interest?

...chris haslam

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:14:49 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: French lessons

On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Walter C. Swain wrote:

> This is true.  However, the etymology of 'petard' is traced back through
> the French and Latin in a long winded series of terms that all relate to
> the expulsion of intestinal gasses. 

Does this mean that the Frenchman taunting King Arthur in Monty Python 
and the Holy Grail should have said:

"I petard in your general direction"   ?

Cheers

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 18:59:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: more techy questions

OK you technical people. What can you tell me about a Solex carb model 
LF59 also marked B40 PA 10-5.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:27:22 +1000
From: haystack@netspace.net.au (Doug McPherson)
Subject: LR 110 Pre-purchase questions

Hi all.

I've been lurking on this list for a month or two now, and I'd like to pose
a question or two to the collective wisdom. This will be more directed at
the UK, Oz and other non North American areas, 'cos you guys never got the
machine I want !

I'm interested in buying a LandRover 110, about '85 vintage. Now being in
Oz, we basically have a choice between the 3.5 V8 and the (factory
installed) Isuzu 3.9 Diesel. I'm unsure of which to get. 

Questions:

1) There's a 4 speed (LT-77 ?) and 5 speed (LT-95 ?) box available. Is their
anything to pick between these, besides the obvious extra cog ? ie is the
4/5 speed a stronger box, easier to fix etc. Is it easy to retrofit a 5 sp
inplace of a 4 sp at some future date ? (even on an Isuzu diesel ?) Are
these the same as RR boxes ?

2) What are the general weak spots on a Landy of this type ? What noises to
listen for etc. Remember that this is warm, sunny (!) Australia, so its not
too likely to have a really shot chassis, but you never know !

I have a friend who will come and look at the machines with me. He has a lot
of experience with an SIIa that his family's had for 25 years, and that he's
worked on for about 15. But that's got totally different suspension, engine
etc. !

3) The Isuzu diesel. I think its a 4BD1.Naturally aspirated, 3.9litre. As
found in Isuzu NPR trucks, probably in other Isuzu or GM products. Anyone
have any long term experience with this unit, either in a Landy or maybe a
truck ? Any points to look at specifically.

4) Aimed specifically at Oz readers: what's a good price to pay for a 110 ?
Most are advertised at the early $20k mark. Seems significantly high. You
can usually get a similar age RR for less ! Any pointers will be well received.

5) Any good books etc. on buying a 110 ?

This will be my first Landy, and in many ways hopefully my last ! That's why
I want a 110, at the limit of my budget, rather than a SII or SIII. I reckon
I could live with a 110 for 20 years.

Thanks in advance for any info. If there's a fair level fo stuff, I may
assemble it and send it off
as a "buyer's guide" to the Australian web site, if Lloyd Allison is keen.
Please indicate in any replies whether you would object to this.

Doug McPherson.

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:11:02 +0930
From: Tiffany Downing <tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au>
Subject: For Sale - Australia

Hi everyone

I don't know if many of you will be interested in this but you don't have to
read it if you don't want to!

We have for sale

.  a rear diff off a Series IIA, good working order with a new short axle.
There's nothing wrong with it we replaced it with a Series III Salisbury
Diff. $250 AUS

.  Two gearboxes in parts, including transfer case.  Again Series II
gearboxes. $450 AUS the lot.

.  A Series IIA Ex-Army Landrover, 1965 (RNU 605).  Long Wheel Base, Soft
Top (110 Army Cam), False Floor, Sound Proofing, Salisbury Rear Diff,
Steering recently rebuilt (about a month ago), Brakes recently done (about 9
months ago), new paint job, registered until around September, fairly new
tyres, comes complete with AM CB and UHF CB setup (antennas, coaxial cable,
etc but not the CB Units themselves).  $5,500 AUS ono.

There is nothing wrong with the vehicle, we really don't want to sell it but
it's all for a good cause.  We've just bought a house and need the money
rather than the car at the moment.  However a County 110 is on the cards in
the future.  Does anyone have one for sale?

If anyone is interested please drop me a message on
        tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au
For anyone living in Australia, we live in Panorama in South Australia
(about 20 minutes out of Adelaide).

No bananas or slabs will be accepted as official currency from ANY country.
I wouldn't like to try and explain that to our Real Estate Agent!!!!!

Regards

Tiffany Downing

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TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA
Phone:   (61 8) 226 3202
Fax:     (61 8) 226 3655
E-Mail:  tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:12:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Heart transplant A-OK

All,
    Well, it was a successful week.

    My 88 made the trip from VA to Rovers North in VT.  It blew massive
    amounts of coolant out a couple of times (I say in addition to
    everything else, there was a small head gasket leak; Charlie Haigh
    says it was probably as simple as not having the radiator shroud in
    place!!)  The transmission layshaft was truly bouncing around by the
    time I got there (and the 2mm of silver crud in the drain plug bears
    out this assessment of the noises!)

    Tuesday I set about stripping out the seatbox, disconnecting
    everything, etc. while Dale continued readying the new engine and
    transmission.  He pulled the old transmission out, I got the old
    engine out.  Large amounts of engine oil in the bellhousing- guess
    that rear seal was toast!  I had to go to a business meeting in NJ
    (via plane)...by the time I next saw my vehicle Friday morning it
    had a new engine and transmission in it!  I put a bunch of miles on
    it to break it in, then brought it back for readjustment, to get the
    floors all put back in properly, etc.  Then I spent the rest of the
    day putting even more miles on it.  The point was to get it run in
    and drain off the breakin oil *before* driving the 800+ miles back
    to VA.

    Here's my comment on the Turner engine: take out a loan, sell the
    children, take up prostitution, whatever it takes, BUY ONE.  This is
    one nice hunk of cast iron.  I haven't pushed it hard yet, and it's
    still got power in places along the power curve I never did before.
    This thing would pass the glass-of-water-on-valve-cover test without
    creating so much as a ripple on the surface.  And it's so dang
    *clean* too!  (Now that I won't be oiling my frame "naturally"",
    I'll have to find some other way to preserve it...)

    I also got the "full synchro Series IIA" transmission- nice trick! 
    I keep double-clutching when going down into second, need to break
    myself of that habit now...  I also cashed in my restoration
    discount program to help pay for the installation labor and to
    buy....an overdrive!  That is highly recommended also.  Between the
    new engine and the overdrive, I was getting 22MPG on the drive
    home...certainly never thought I'd see a mileage figure that started
    with a 2 for this car!

    After helping Charlie get his military diesel pickup back together
    after its frame-off paint job (another whole story, best saved for
    another mail...) I got the "pleasure" of driving behind it a lot on
    the drive back to VA, as he was headed down here for the BRLRC
    get-together this coming weekend in Luray.  The diesels sure have a
    certain (hack, koff...) unique sensory signature....

    To the guy in the green D90 that I passed just West of the I88/I90
    interchange: sorry, I was watching in my mirror to make sure I
    wasn't losing Charlie, and when I looked up and saw you it was too
    late to wave back.  How embarrassing!

    I can't say enough good things about the crew at RN.  I never let
    *anyone* at home work on my Rover, since they would just never be
    able to take the care with it that I do.  Dale and Randy at RN
    treated it *better* than I would have!  And the technical expertise
    and business approach of RN that back them up just make it all the
    better.  And it's always an experience visiting there, just to see
    what the employees are driving these days, and what vehicles are
    theree to be worked on.  I spent a lot of time going over the Camel
    Trophy '95 Discovery parked out in the lot....  It was absolutely
    beat to hell...but turns out that happened on the drive up (from
    Belize?), in Mexico, when it was run off the road by a bus.  The
    running gear looked to be in flawless shape (only 11K on the
    odometer!), and the extras were pretty slick: massive skid plates,
    roof rack full of jerry cans, roll cage, rear full of spare parts,
    etc.

    Well, off to read the 300+ mail messages waiting for me...sigh....
    see some of you in Luray this weekend?

    Duncan

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From: CpaulP@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 02:43:46 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

My 1995 Discovery 5 Speed has been making an intermittent "growling"  noise.
 It is very dificult to pin down exactly when or why this happens.  It only
does this for a short time and then the engine noise returns to its normal
sound.  It seems to be most noticeable in gears 1 & 2.  Has anyone else
experience this and can you advise what it is.  As usual, can't get it to do
this anywhere near the dealer !!!!!  Thanks..

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: RR stuff
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:16:17 +0930 (CST)

Tony writes:
> If I hit a bump during a turn, the steering wheel will go "wobble, wobble,
> wobble" for a second or two.
> also suggested that they look for play in the top pin of the swivel pin
> housing.  Any experience with this?  When Annabelle's in the shop I'm going
> to have them pull one front wheel bearing and CV for inspection too.

Oh how embarassing:-(  I was supposed to send you info on swivel pin preload
about a month ago wasnt I. Oops

I'd still go for pre-load as the most likely cause of the bump wobble, unless
the wheel bearings are really bad..

Do you have the information needed to adjust them or should I try to find it
still??? 

You could always do what I do.  Pull a couple of shims out of the top and see
what happens.  (If you do i never heard of you, Land rovers or the Internet
:-) 

Yours apologetically 

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:13:31 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: British Car Meet

>  Lunch at Una-Mas Mexican Restaurant, south-easterly side of the Stanford

Nah, I'm bringing hotdogs/sausages and the like.  Maybe I should bring some 
tortilla chips if Jimmy/Jeremy/Gerry/Jory/John/Jiminy/Jesse/Jack/Joe/Gymboree 
is bringing salsa?

>  --everyone to wear an obnoxious Rover or
>  British hat, Aussie fedoras recommended with Kiwi feathers, or full Rover
>  battle dress (overalls?).  Seating at outdoor tables on south side of
>  restaurant, group photo with Dos-Equis etc. in hand at 13:00 hours --copy
>  to be posted to Web page. [Alternatives solicited.]

Definitely!  Photo with the vehicles, eh?  Award for best hat?  Is there a 
lazy bugger out there who could come up with a prize?  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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