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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:18:45 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '96

I wanna go!

> non-stop 30 hour trial in northern California in December.  Four will 

Hmm...  

> Expect: tree-dwelling leeches, thigh deep mud, insects the size of diner 
> plates 

Mmm...  But maybe I could bring along some McNuggets, just for a taste of 
home?

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 10:26:59 BST
Subject: V6 & gearing

My lightweight actually has completely standard gearing.  I have thought
about an overdrive in the past but I don't think they are strong enough for
use with a V6 (or any other engine of increased power).  I'm not totally
sure on this but I think I heard that the problem lies in the lubrication of
the overdrive, it relies on oil being thrown about the transfer box to reach
as far as the od.

If you do have an overdrive on something of more power it is a good idea only
to use it in low load situations, such as cruising (without a heavy trailer)
rather than as another gear while accelerating.

A friend of mine also has a V6 (3.0) lightweight and he has Range Rover
diffs fitted which make quite a difference.  I don't know the ratios so I
don't know what the change of overall gearing is.

My car has however got larger tyres.  They are actually 30x9.5x15.  They came
on the car when I got it with the 2.25 engine.  Even before the engine swap
I could get to 70MPH.  I think the overall size of the tyres is similar to
the more normal 750x16.  7.50+7.50+16 = 31 inches nominally.  Compared to
the normal tyres on an 88" (are they 6.50?) 750s give an overall increase in
gearing of 17%, an overdrive gives 25%, but only when engaged obviously so
low ratio work in unaffected.  The diffs, like the tyres are always effective
so if low ratio engine braking/pulling power are crucial to you be warned.

My mate had RR diffs & 750s which did reduce the engine noise considerably
but it is hard to compare the two vehicles as he had no rev counter and lots
of sound proofing.  I rarely have carpet!

As far as top speed goes I can cruise at 85 MPH (on private land officer!)
and the top speed is around 100MPH.  90MPH corresponds to 5000 revs.  This
gives a theoretical to speed of 105.  I've never tried.  It is so bloody
noisy at 95-100 that I have never taken it any faster.  It will probably pull
max revs or get pretty close.  Does any body want to go faster in a series
vehicle?

More relaxed cruising would be nice though and I could sacrifice some
acceleration to get it.  My plan is to someday fit a modified transfer box
which has a higher ratio high but low is unchanged.  They are available off the
shelf.  Should survive the power, not affect my off-roading and help my poor
ears!

My V6 is a later 2.8l by the way

On another matter altogether ceramic winch fuses are readily available here
from the likes of David Bowyer and other winch sellers.  They also recommend
welding cable because of the skin effect.  I would always fit a kill switch
as well as the fuse and I would fit a kill switch to the main electrics
as well.  For those with radios, clocks, etc. which need continuous power
fit a small fused supply in parallel to the cut off and it will blow if some
low life tries to start the car (or if you forget to reconnect the main power).

It took me 40 minutes to hot wire my rally car when I lost the key for the
switch. And I knew what the unlabeled terminals where for!  Most of the time
was taken dismantling the dash to get at the back of the switch.

Hope that answers the question! Steve

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: ECOFLOW
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 10:40:11 BST

Dont know how it works,but even 20% isnt much when you're
only getting between,say,15-20mpg in the first place.Take
a long time to break even on the outlay.
It isnt reputed to be much good on diesel engines,either.
Personally,I reckon a Kenlowe electric fan is a better
fuel saver.YMMV,of course.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: French lessons
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:38:31 +0100 (BST)

A petard is in fact a mine used to blow up castle gates/walls etc.
Premature detonation would result in being hoist by your own petard.
A certain French premier and a certain Polynesian atoll spring to
mind...

-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re : ECOFLOW
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 10:48:14 BST

> Does anyone know anything about the ECOFLOW device?
>From the adverts, it appears to just clamp over the fuel line and improves
> the fuel consumption by up to 20% as well as reducing hydro-carbons and
 carbon monoxide.
> I have been told that the device is a magnet of some sort, but =A344.00=
  seems
> a bit pricey for a magnet.
 I am interested in the principles behind the device so any ideas anyone?

There was a big hoo-hah about this a year or so ago, and Which? 
independently tested Ecoflow and a number of similar devices.
If I remember correctly, Ecoflow was the magnetic one as mentioned
above.  There were also 'activated pellets' you placed in the tank
and a device which injected steam into the inlet manifold.

I do not remember specifics, but the outcome was than none of the 
devices had any effect on the peformance of a correctly (leanly)
tuned vehicle - The 'balls in tank' and magnetic clamp-on got a 
real slamming scientifically and on results.  They seemed less sure
about the steam thingy.

I have no personal experience of any of the above things, but Which?
confirmed my gut reaction which was that if these things really did
improve consumption, car companies would be fitting them to improve
their figures for marketing purposes.
 
{then again there is the conspiracy theory that oil companies are 
 preventing the introduction of these devices... ?!!}

I'd want more than the blurb on the TV/packet as proof before I
parted with my $.

Skeptically yours,

Andy Grafton
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk 

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 11:47:25 BST
From: Carl Butler <cjb1000@cheng.cam.ac.uk>

unsubscribe lro-digest

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:36:56 -0600
From: Mark Murphy <Mark.Murphy@evolving.com>
Subject: De-tuned 3.9 in the Discovery

I noticed in one of yesterdays messages, that the Discovery is 
"detuned to 182 hp -same as last year's 3.9 but with slightly 
bumped up torque and improved EPA highway of 18 on manual 
tranny model". 

How was the 3.9 detuned? 
What would be involved in "retuning" the 3.9?

thanks,
Mark
mmurphy@evolving.com

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Subject: my demise, Robin Craig
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 05:48:05 -0500

Contrary to popular opinion my e mail address does still function and I 
am still breathing. I have been away from the net and my computer due to 
a flurry of end of summer activities.

Rgds

ROBIN CRAIG

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:28:08 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Arcane Abbreviations

"Whap whap whap" when cornering normally indicates problems with universal 
joints. Wandering Front ends could well be panhard rod bushes knackered!

Hope this helps.

Gerald

-- 
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| Gerald Tan    EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk                              |
| "The opinions expressed here are my very own"                           |
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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:31:47 GMT -0600
Subject:       LR calender

Someone stateside was going to put together a LR calender, but I 
can't remember who it was. Did you ever get a Lightweight photo for 
it?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:35:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Anyone heard from Robin Craig Lately

On Thu, 7 Sep 1995 smarsh@halcyon.com wrote:

> Anyone heard from Robin Craig, Ottawa Valley Land Rovers. It appears that his 
> last e-mail address is no longer valid.

	fourfold.ocunix.on.ca is still alive and robin does have an account
	on the system.  Whether he is responding to his mail is entirely
	another question...

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From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:23:12 +0100
Subject: Re: V6 & gearing

Another data point:

I used to run a V8 Lightweight.  I had RR diffs and 750's.  The RR
diffs are 3.54's and the standard LR's are 4.7's.  70mph came at about
3000rpm or a little above.  It was going proportionately faster at
5000rpm! ;-) (and louder by an order of magnitude or more).  I enjoyed
it no end both off road and in the outside lane of the M5 with the top
off, 'course if I'd rolled it I'd have been toast.

LR never gave the 88" V8 power because they were too twitchy on the
cart springs with the SWB.  The 109" was considered less likely to
have its back wheels overtake the front, hence the Stage 1.

Now I have a 2 door RR, which is effectively lower geared due to
running 205's.  These 2 doors really take off from the lights tho'.
The V6 is certainly easier to fit into a LR, but doesn't sound like
the Rover V8!  Nothing else does.

Best Regards,
Steve.

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 07:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: French lessons

On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Tom Stevenson wrote:

> A petard is in fact a mine used to blow up castle gates/walls etc.
> Premature detonation would result in being hoist by your own petard.
> A certain French premier and a certain Polynesian atoll spring to
> mind...

This is true.  However, the etymology of 'petard' is traced back through
the French and Latin in a long winded series of terms that all relate to
the expulsion of intestinal gasses. 

It takes only slightly perverse senses of logic and humor (of which we
seem to have an abundance) to arrive at an explosive device capable of
lifting its bearer into the air under embarrassing circumstances.  Perhaps the
original siege devices contained additional materials to provide an 
olfactory suggestion of intestinal gasses.

Best Regards,

Walt Swain

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
               Walter C. Swain          |  wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us 
               Davis Community Network  |  1988 Range Rover
               Davis, California        |  1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:02:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Arcane Abbreviations

>Have you tried adjusting the slack in the steering box, and replacing the
Panhard Rod bushings and steering damper (for the latter use the genuine part
as I've tried aftermarket ones that made the problem 10 times worse)?

The first thing I had the shop do when I brought the Rover home was tighten
up the steering box, but they went a little too far and took the self
centering out of the wheel.  Then they backed off a bit.  I replaced the
steering dampener right after I bought it (two years ago), and now I've
ordered another one (Bilsten) to replace that.  If I hit a bump during a
turn, the steering wheel will go "wobble, wobble, wobble" for a second or
two.  Brad at A-B swears that it will fix the problem, but it seems like
taking pain pills to cure a broken leg.  Cris at R-N says I need to replace
the shock too, but that the REAL problem is wearing out the dampeners.  He
also suggested that they look for play in the top pin of the swivel pin
housing.  Any experience with this?  When Annabelle's in the shop I'm going
to have them pull one front wheel bearing and CV for inspection too.

Tony

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:02:26 -0400
Subject: Re: re: Re: Arcane Abbreviations

>dirt dauber (this is the Southern term - don't know what you Yankees call
'em)

Mud Daubers.

Thanks for the info.

Tony

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From: Trefor Delve <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
Subject: V6 and Gearing and other bits
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 16:09:00 GMT

Steve,

Out of interest, which gearbox gearbox is fitted to your V6, Ford or Land 
Rover ?.

Also, have you uprated the brakes, or do you just have a tight belt and a 
good set of cycle clips ?.

After driving the Series 1 it became clear that you needed a certain amount 
of telepathic ability to avoid accidents. (or a large anchor).

Cheers,

Trefor,

tdelve@nectech.co.uk

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:10:55 -0700
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: '89 RR whap whap

Despite the numerous things that can be worn or out of adjustment in the 
front end of my '88 RR, so far I have traced most of my front end behavioral 
problems to the tires.  For example, PO's tires were abnormally worn and 
unbalanced, so that after getting an alignment I still had the wandering 
syndrome, but it went away as soon as I replaced the tires.  And the new 
tires, being non-stock, caused terrible shaking when cornering on the road 
if inflated to the recommended pressures or below.  Add 10 psi, and the 
shaking was completely gone.

-Matt

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:13:17 -0800
From: holland@catapent.com (Shannon Holland)
Subject: Re:    D90 for sale

>95 ROM chipset

what does this mean? part of the electronic ignition unit i presume? is
this something i want for my happy 94 defender to get better gas mileage or
something else useful?

Shannon

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 09:39:02 PDT
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: D90 `95 ROM chipset

>A super-clean 1994 D90 is for sale from a friend of mine who is *not* on line:
>1994 NAS D90/AA YELLOW/28K MILES/truly *NEVER* off-road/totally 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>chipset/Lamp guards/2 Tops: Hardtop + full Tickford soft top/ Rear safari 
>cage.

I'd be interested in knowing the differences between the '94 and '95 ROM
chipsets.  I hadn't heard of anyone upgrading a D90 that way prior to 
this email.  Do you have any further details?

Thanks,

-Rick
'94 D90

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:46:43 -0400
Subject: Disco Heights

You wrote:
>Andy Marshallsay <axmarsha@lag.mobil.com>
question I can't get answered - how is it going to fit in my garage."

Soft!?  Nah...I live in Arizona where we hit a stretch of 15 days where the
high was over 115 degrees. A garage is necessary since I  plan on keeping her
for many, many years.  Don't worry, as long as you take out of a long "walk"
several times a week, allow her to get in the mud and dirt, she won't mind.
 But keep the rolling over and playing dead to a minimum!  

As for the height, she's a tall one. According to the diagram on the sun
visor, with the sun roof open, you need 79 inches.  With the sun roof closed
and roof rack intact, you need 77.5 inches.  The rear portion behind the rack
is 76 inches.  Is the roof rack removable w/o leaving holes?  Don't know but
I would doubt it!

Good Luck!
Gerry and "The Great White Hope"  (no leaks yet and we're still happy!)

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:59:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Winch set up

Someone was wondering abut the way to cable a DC3 starting motor or any 
electric winch for max power.  I run the same system of a DC3 motor woth 
gears and relays for in and out control.  I found that #4 welders cable 
with "good" grimp on connectors of copper not the cheap type worked 
best.  I also use a key type cut out not just to be able to cut the 
current if there is trouble, but because if someone shorts out the 
external military type connector I use they could winch the bumper off 
with this thing.  The way I have mine set up, is that the relays work 
always and are on a low voltage fuse.  The main current path is direct to 
the battery for ground and to the battery via the key switch for + lead.  
The leads come through the wire grill but if I was doing it again I 
wouldn't go this way I would use a heavy grommet through the wing so I 
could get the grill off without having to disconnect the wires.  You can 
then put the winter cover on without a bulge where the wires come out.  I 
have about 12 feet of "cabtire" extension to an overhead crane control 
box like you see in boat houses etc. and on the other end I have a 
military Cinch-Jones plug which goes into a waterproof connector.  The 
Waterproof connector has a screw cap with a little chain on it.  Inside 
the cap is a rubber gasket making the unit 100% waterproof.  I can stand 
away from cable range with this rig and pull myself out of anything.  
Before I put grade 8 bolts into the frame and across the bumper I 
actually pulled the whole thing off the front of the machine once.  It 
will drag the 88 with all brakes locked without dropping RPM. I use 
stainless cable on it of about 30 feet.  It I need more pull I attach 
more cable to the hook rather than loose pull with lots of wraps of line. 
Dave VE4PN

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: Misc D90 stuff
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 11:24:23 MDT

jpappa01@interserv.com advertises:

 >1994 NAS D90/AA YELLOW/28K MILES/truly *NEVER* off-road/totally
  sound-treatment; all door panels Dynamatted/`95 BFG A/T tires/`95 ROM
  chipset/Lamp guards/2 Tops:  Hardtop + full Tickford soft top/ Rear
  safari cage. [remainder deleted]

'95 ROM chipset?  Did LR change the programming for '95?  If so, what
changes were made? (*NEVER* off-road? What a waste!)

jpappa also informs:

 >re: D90 SW
  Three color lineup is maintained:  Alpine White, Conniston Green,
  Arles Blue (!)  Full headliner/sunroof/4 jumpseats in back/D110
  doors/sliding rear side windows/roof panel is white/seats are cloth
  tweed as in D110/rear defrost + wiper-washer.  Price still not
  announced.  Initial deliveries now expected in October.

When I took my D90 in for it's 7.5K service this morning ($41 FYI), my
dealer (Land Rover Colorado Springs) told me that they expected the D90
SW to start around only 32K!  At that price, I'd be tempted to trade
mine ('94 limited, hardtop) for one.  Sure, I'd miss the option of
removing the hardtop and door windows (neither of which I've ever
done...), but with roll down front windows, sliding rear windows, and a
sunroof, ventilation would not be a problem!  I wonder how the full
aluminum hardtop & headliner affect the center of gravity relative to
the fiberglass hardtop?

FYI - LR COS said they were getting a D110 in soon (used, obviously).
>From what was said, I'd expect an asking price in the $45K range.  Didn't
sound like it was pre-sold.

Misc - read in rec.autos.4x4 this morning that approx 3000 HUMMERs have
been sold since '91.  With the discontinuation of the D90, it shouldn't
be too long before the D90 is the more "exclusive" vehicle here in the
US!

--
Jeffrey J. Gauvin

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From: Robert Watson (CNA) <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Date: Fri,  8 Sep 95 10:25:23 TZ
Subject: Re: Rover Abuse

To put things in perspective, what I can do (i.e. have done) with the 
Disco would certainly have abused my previous Jeep, not to mention the 
driver. The other thing is that because of the Disco's (and other 
Rovers as well) capabilities, you are much less likely to abuse the 
terrain or the vehicle than with less capable vehicles. Though all 
vehicles are certainly capable of abusing the environment. I believe 
that the vehicles don't cause the damage, it's people that cause the damage.

I try not to abuse my Disco (though it might have a different opinion 
on that lately :-(  ), But I spent the relatively vast sum (for me 
anyway) I did on it for the off-road capabilities it promotes. If I 
wanted a car to keep on the road all the time, I could have got by with 
some much less expensive alternatives.

-- Bob W.
'95 Disco

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: RR Steering Problems

I think I give up at this point and let a dealer fix it, keeping them 
unpaid til it's fixed!!

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: "Grimes, Sean" <grimes@uf9455p01.minneapolismn.ATTGIS.COM>
Subject: Hardtop info for '95 Defender 90.
Date: Thu Sep 07 13:45 CDT 1995

I have an interest in the hardtop for the 1995 Defender 90.  Does anyone 
have any experience with this accessory?  I live in Minnesota, USA and I am 
looking for ways to keep the interior warm as possible during the winter. 
 For some reason, I have this belief that the hardtop will help retain heat 
better than the standard softtop.  Also, does the hardtop add much height to 
the vehicle?  It barely fits in my garage as it is, so I have some concern 
there, too.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Sean
sean.grimes@minneapolismn.attgis.com

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Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 11:23:32 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Weird Mail! (Was: Misc D90 stuff)

 Jeff Gauvin,

 How come some of your mail comes in without any headers or subject line?
 The following attachment was your mail in it's entirety --no return name,
 no subject, no signature, nothing!  (Major-Domo on the fritz again?)

 Your not with some subvertive government agency or L-R manufacturer are
 you?   =:o

 PS- I beg to differ with your assertion that Hummers are more "exclusive"
 than D90's.  Fun-Mogs at US$150,000 (Sheesh!) a copy take that award.  :)
 
-Michael Carradine
 cs@crl.com

__________________________________________________________________________

X-POP3-Rcpt: cs@mail
sound like it was pre-sold.

Misc - read in rec.autos.4x4 this morning that approx 3000 HUMMERs have
been sold since '91.  With the discontinuation of the D90, it shouldn't
be too long before the D90 is the more "exclusive" vehicle here in the
US!

--
Jeffrey J. Gauvin

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:38:58 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Dirt/mud daubers

> >dirt dauber (this is the Southern term - don't know what you Yankees call
> 'em)
> Mud Daubers.

Hey, my Aunt (woe to you if you call that fine Southern lady a 
Yankee) called them mud daubers also. I'm not so sure it's a 
north-south thing.
One thing I do know for sure, my LR is a mud dauber (using the 
American Heritage Dictionary as a guide: "To cover or smear with a dirty 
substance, such as mud or grease"). Hmmm, definately the mud part, and 
I guess the oil counts for the grease catagory, right?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 18:29:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Arcane Abbreviations

>If I remember I'll look it up over the weekend and send you the info.

Thanks.  I'd appreciate it.  Since I posted my last message, Annabelle ('89
RR) just tossed her steering fluid.  One of the hoses broke.  I'm dropping
her off at the shop for the week and will be using Lullubelle ('70 IIa) for
the interim.  This must be her time to decompensate.

Tony

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Rear Seat Installation
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 15:54:37 PDT

Hello, 

I am interested in adding a rear seat to my 1994 Def-90. I have heard that
some type of modification is needed for the 94 models to do this?
Is this true, or can I just order the rear seat from Rovers North and put
it in myself? (I definately want to avoid the dealership cost).

Leland Roys
Cupertino, Ca
1994 Def-90 (Red)
roys@cup.hp.com

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:20:31 -0700
From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: French lessons

>  Perhaps the
> original siege devices contained additional materials to provide an 
> olfactory suggestion of intestinal gasses.
> Walt Swain

  I take it you are not a "black powder" shooter.

Regards, Bill G.

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:20:01 -0400
Subject: Overdrive whining ? A tip ...

In the " for what it's worth department " ...

I was ready to turn back in my recently purchased Superwinch overdrive. It
performed as advertised, but had an unbelievable, painfully loud whine.
Earplugs were mandatory even during around-town short trips (previously my
gearbox was silky-smooth and quiet).

Anyway, while visiting British Rovers up in Lewiston on an unrelated matter,
I mentioned this problem to Dave (Tom Gannon's mechanic). He says "oh yeah,
that happens a lot,
go and back-off the right rear sheet metal screw holding down the
transmission tunnel cover". Did it ... BINGO ! whining is 100% gone. Turns
out that that screw is a wee bit long, and sometimes rubs directly on a brace
which is installed to carry the Overdrive's shifting lever. Normal
gearbox/overdrive noise then travels through the brace to the screw to the
tunnel cover which proceeds to act just like a reverberation chamber and
amplify the noises ad nauseum.

30 seconds with a grinder... problem solved. All this aside, the overdrive is
a delight... freeway driving at 60 mph, my LWB with the NADA 6-cyl managed 17
mpg... a first !

Eric.

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 16:57 MST
From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II)
Subject: D110 doors

I saw a D110 for the first time last weekend, and a question
immidiately popped to mind.  Will those doors with the roll up windows
fit my Series III?

James Howard			jhoward@argus.lowell.edu
1972 SIII 88 "Ephraim"		Flagstaff, Arizona, USA

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 21:02:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Free range

I'll add to Sandy Grice's and Walter Swain's tales...

 
> >>>>> Alexander P. Grice writes:
> > My "free range" story comes from Tunisia back when I was in the Peace
/
 
> Don't know about Tunisia, but in Panama one did very well to avoid driving
> at night for this very reason.  The old/sick/lame horses and cattle were
> often put out on the Pan American Highway for a quick sale to the
/

I spent two years in Turkey in the mid 1970's.. Lot's of fun things to avoid
on the roads - horse carts, sheep, cattle, chickens and the occasional camel
or two. I had a Fiat 124 Spider back then and more than one time coming
through the Tarsus Mts I came face to face (actually closer to face to
knees) with a camel after rounding a blind curve. The problem with hitting
an animal over there is you have to pay for the animal PLUS whatever income
it might have provided the farmer in it's lifetime. The open roads were bad
enough - but you could see the same assortment of animals on the city
streets!

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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Subject: Re: Portland All-British Field Meet 
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 21:16:57 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199509050659.BAA09291@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:
  
> I'm sure we'll hear from Ben Smith who, last I saw him, had the "official"
> count at 45+ Landies -- with plate numbers and serial numbers recorded for
> most of them (Ben...we need to talk about this obsessive streak <g>).

	Umm, I only got a few Serial numbers cause I was mostly talking with
folks.   (Ok, explination here.  I got bored and wondered if the figures that
James Taylor published in LRO on individual production runs on Rovers 
corresonds to the yearly production totals that he got from Land Rover.  Up
to 1962, they do to within +/-1000 Rovers which ends up being (cumulatively)
about -2000 by the end of the SIIs. For the SIIA's he just published total
SIIA 88 Basic, SIIA Station wagon... for the entire period of 1962-71.  So
using a spread sheet I made a model that spread out production of vehicles 
over the years with the distributution similar the total vehicle prodution.
(And odd, low production items are taken into account)  Missing is only
the Complete Knock Downs (CKD).  Assuming a constant production (% of total)
makes things add up and give answers that agree with Taylor's "about 9000 CKD
per year comment"  (I'm going from memory here folks).  So to error correct,
if I had a bunch of SIIA Serial numbers with year (and hopefully month) of
manufacture, I could tweak the model to make it more accurate.  (So if anyone
wants to email me any SIIA serial numbers that they know to exist with
year/month of manufacture and type of Rover, I'd be grateful).

	BTW, Rover can't count.  Rover claims about 250,000 SIIIs.  Taylor 
comes up with 438,000 SIIIs.  If you make this jibe with totat production
figures, there are at least 100,000 CKDs that aren't counted, giving 540,000+
SIIIs, so Rover is off by at least a factor of two!  (Oh to have all of
Rover's production data to be scanned in...)

	Where was I?  Oh yeah, Portland:

SI 86":      1  (really on a SIIA frame w/ SIII running gear...)
SII 88":     1
SIIA 88":   17
SIIA/RR:     1 (SIIA panels on a Rangie chassie/engine)
SIII 88":    2
Lightweight: 1

107" PU:     2
SII 109":    3
SIIA 109":   9  (mix of Hardtop, Station Wagon, Softtop...) 
Stage I:     1
Dormobile:   5
LR Ambulance:1
            ===
             44 Series Rovers

(The newer stuff was hard to pin down because they kept on moving)
'94 & '95 NAS D90s: 6
'93 NAS D110:       2
Discoveries:        6
Range Rover Classic:3
Range Rover (Mk 2): 1
                   ===
                    18 newer Rovers

2 Rover Cars.

So 62 Land Rovers and 2 Rover Cars

> Amazingly enough, his was the only Series III in sight - an award winner for
> that...

	Lawrence of British Pacific also had a SIII 88.

> the best sight lines for no less than FIVE Doormobiles, including the John
> Hess cross-country model

	I found it quite amuzing that the Pacific Coast Rover Club folks
thought that it was big news for the Hess' to drive a Rover all the way
from Maine.  (Which is a feat that all Rover owners should do at least
once).  I drove to Maine and back in June/July in my SIII.  (wish I had the
comfort of a Dormobile--you try sleeping across the front seat of a Rover
when you're 6'4" and you will know what I mean) 

> When last seen,
> Ben was packing up his 12-string after six circuits and, he said, having to
> unholster the WD40 in mid-mud pit. 

	Yes, I admit it.  My Rover decided that all was going to well and
to have a snit in the middle of the water a few times.  The first of which
I made the sever tactical error of entering the pit in 3rd gear low at idle,
realized my error, but my 2nd gear synchro is shot, and in the confusion, it
died.  (The water was deep enough for the crank pulley to throw water into the
fan).  I'm going to get around to waterproofing her this week.  That fan
shroud doesn't do a lot of good on the workbench, eh?

Ben

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 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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