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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Quaife Diffs
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:19:25 +0930 (CST)

Hi all, does anyone out there in net land know anything about Quaife
differentials to suit rovers?   I've got a line on what is supposed to be a
LSD/torque biasing diff but have been told that quaife only make lockers or
heavy duty open centres.  Can anyone confirm/deny any of this.  Unfortunately
the diff is several thousand Km away otherwise i'd just have a look.....

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: Andy Marshallsay <axmarsha@lag.mobil.com>
Subject: Lurker has Disco questions
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 11:25:15 GMT

Dear LRO list readers

I've been lurking on this list for quite a while now. I'm not currently
a Landie owner as I sold my Series III about 18 months ago. I really
caught the bug with that one, I ended up completely rebuilding it onto a
galvinised frame complete with Ford 3.0 V6. I bought it thinking LR
frame were made of indestructium, and therefore didn't warrant any
attention when buying second hand - mistake number 1.

Still its nearly time to buy another of Solihul's finest. The fiancee
wants a Discovery rather than a Defender, I'm going to take the easy
route and agree with her this time (leaves space in the driveway for
something more individual at a leter date). ** See below **

I've done a lot of surfing and reading on Disco's however there is one
question I can't get answered - how is it going to fit in my garage.
Don't call me soft for wanting to put a LandRover in a garage - I work
abroad currently and need to store it safely when away from home. As the
garage only has about 6'2" of headroom I thought I could maybe use a set
of slave wheels with no tyres to get in the garage. Could someone please
measure up their Disco and see if this option is feasible.

Do those silly roof rails remove easily without leaving gaing holes in
the roof ?

And yes I will be doing the job properly and upping the garage roof when
I have time and finances.

As for the something more individual, how about a Steyr Puch Pinzgauer.
>From the signature you can see I'm currently based in Nigeria, the army
here use Pinzgauer's by the thousand. There is a rumour that they sell
them off cheap, anyone got any experience of either the Pinzgauer itself
or indeed the logistics of purchasing an ex-army vehicle and shipping it
from Africa to UK. Yes I would consider driving it across country if I
could get it up to scratch locally.

Thats all for now, I promise less lurking and more email/chat/listing
call it what you will.

--
FROM:
        Andy Marshallsay
        PECC Unix Consultant to Mobil Producing Nigeria
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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:45:49 -0400
Subject: 'Tossed' tranny?

Well, today (wednesday) it seems that bad things come in heavy packages!
"May", my '61 LR daily driver, tossed her tranny. Not even a big crash and
bang. Just malfunction. Symptoms, all with clutch out (pedal up):
Grinding/whining noise in 1,2,3,4
No vehicle movement in 1,2,3,4 (noise only)
No difference in low or high ranges 
No difference in or out of OD
No  vehicle movement in 2 or 4 WD, gears engaged (noise only)
Reverse (only) seems to work suprisingly with not much noise
No noise when transfer case in neutral, gears engaged, clutch out
No difficulty in any gear engagement (obviously at levers only)

My guess is that the main shaft has 'gone south'. I've had a bad feeling
about a couple of the thrust washers in the main box for quite a while (well,
maybe about 50K). I now think that an occasional 'hammering' effect caused by
their insufficiency (and my lack of compensation) is at the root of this
bigger problem.
I've thus far pulled the floors and the seat box is about to come out
shortly. The oil in the transfer case was nice and clean (free of metal). I
have to yet drain the main box itself but think that will be 'fouled'.
I realize I have to replace both units (trans. & transfer), but what I'm
immediately after is a glimpse down through the top cover, so I can analyze
things a bit more as I take a couple of minutes 'break'. Then its on with the
inevitable: R&R of the boxes. Thank goodness I have a couple of spares!!!
Don't ever throw anything out!
Any thoughts on what the problem is and why? Once I find out for sure I'll
post it here.
See 'ya on the old road... (well, in a couple of days anyway...)
Jim  '61 88" SW / OD, 1 Bbl weber & 16's   (econobox?)
LR....quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised! 
 P.S. Just a closing 'thankyou' to the chap on the design team who put that
screw type floorboard fastener right underneath the E-brake lever. Hope you
sleep well tonight!

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Miles to go before I sleep
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 07:49:00 DST

|Once he's finished - Zimbabwe, here I
|come!
|     Alan

Zimbabwe is it and you say Grimsby's too far!!!!

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Petards and Firkins
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 07:56:00 DST

Skip Wharton writes

" I've heard of being hoist by your own petard, but what the hell is a
        dewberry-firkin??!!"

I don't know for sure, but a firkin is a large barrel and dewberries are 
presumably berries harvested in the morning. Now why anyone would be hoisted 
by theirs I don't know.  BTW a petard is a small wind therefore to be 
hoisted by ones own is to be lifted by a fart!!!

Trevor "fount of useless knowledge" Easton

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From: DieselBobI@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:59:19 -0400
Subject: phone #---Griots Garage

Griots can be reached at 1-800-345-5789

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:17:48 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: 'Tossed' tranny?

> Well, today (wednesday) it seems that bad things come in heavy packages!
> "May", my '61 LR daily driver, tossed her tranny. Not even a big crash and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Reverse (only) seems to work suprisingly with not much noise
> No noise when transfer case in neutral, gears engaged, clutch out
> No difficulty in any gear engagement (obviously at levers only)
I've seen the mainshaft shear where it enters the bell housing. If I 
remember right, that would fit your symptoms. If that's the case you 
may not need to replace gears. If you're *real* lucky. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Trefor Delve <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
Subject: RE: 'Tossed' tranny?
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 13:15:00 GMT

Jim  '61 88" SW / OD

Your problem sounds very similar to a problem a friend of mine had recently. 
 In this instance the problem was with a Volvo (I know ... I'm sorry to 
mention them).  With this he lost all forward gears BUT retained reverse. 
 The cause was a shot overdrive.

I realise the Land Rover and Volvo are worlds apart, but it may be food for 
thought.

TJD.

tdelve@nectech.co.uk

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  7 Sep 95  8:21:36 EDT
Subject: Neat toy found in auto-parts store....

Yeah, I know, I have to get a life...8*)

Whilst picking up a gallon of 90wt for my
109, I ran across this delightful litte pump
kit for lubricants.

It's basically a large aluminum syringe with a check
valve and a small hose (which I immediately discarded
and replaced with a 4-foot piece of fuel line).
You put the end into your container of lubricant and the
hose into the orifice to be filled, and pump the syringe
barrel.

This little gadget makes doing tranny fills and lube jobs almost fun!

Don't remember what I paid for it, but it didn't induce sticker
shock.

   Alan

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Date: Thu,  7 Sep 1995 09:03:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: I'm SORRY!

Dear Shunichi;
's OK, s'alright, you're forgiven.
But I'm not quite sure what you did wrong?
Anyway, relax, have a beer, 
and I will too.
Happy Rovering
Jon
 
Dear Dixon and All !!
 
I apologize to my careless. 
I used "LR logo" my own way. Sorry!
Now 
I removed "LR logo" <body background>.
   will take care from now !!
 
Regars,
 
///   Shunichi Nishi   ///

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  7 Sep 95  9:16:16 EDT
Subject: Weatherstripping doors - advice please?

Well, now that he has new paint I need to install new weatherstripping on his
door edges and roof.

The type I have is the continuous-band stuff meant to be glued in place. I
was planning on using GE silicone for this - any reason I shouldn't? Also,
any tips on fitting the stuff to minimize leaks would be gratefully accepted.

   aj"Don't like getting wet - or rattling doors"r

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Abuse
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 6:23:29 PDT

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> to their ultimate limits and thereby increase our macho status, but, that is not a 
> realistic approach to responsible off-roading.
stuff deleted

I have been very successful at abusing my Range Rover offroad. And
all of it under 5 MPH. Fill a rangie, or a disco up to the gils
4 adults, a kid, assorted camping gear, and travel thru the Canyon lands.

Abusing the truck does not mean abusing the environment. In fact most 
of the trail abuse I have noticed is stupid paths around a "minor" obsticle.
I did not spend 40K on a "Rover" to have to blaze trails around difficult
sections of trail. 

Russ Burns
If you can`t abuse it, why own it.... 

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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:57:00 -0400
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: British Car Meet

>I am going to be at the Palo Alto british car (and truck I guess) meet on

>I guess I should clean it up and give it a good wax job before

You're trolling, right?  Anyhow, rather than putting the vehicle at risk
from harsh chemical cleansers, take a tip from a couple of the guys
(Canadians of course) that I met at the Mid-Atlantic last year. Just put a
sign on the bonnet that says:

                **********************************************
                *                                            *
                *            Please don't touch!             *
                *       You might scratch the mud job.       *
                *                                            *
                **********************************************

I'm told that this is most effective when parked next to concours Jag whose
owner, upon removing the vehicle from its enclosed trailer, immeadiately
gets to work with a spray bottle and chamois.

Enjoy the show.  Cheers.

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg         Purple Shark Media             Rowayton, CT
                        jeff@purpleshark.com
                                *****
Look what happens when you love someone, and they don't love you.
                                       --Warren Zevon, The Heartache
==                                                                 ==

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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:05:07 -0400
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Not Running On Two

Well folks, that rough running that concerned me on the SRIIA 88 after the
complete head overhaul has been solved. And thanks to many of you and your
suggestions I was able to put about 600 miles on the Rover over a Labor Day
weekend camping/canoing trip--all problem free miles.

So, what was wrong, you ask? All the plugs were firing after all; the
intermittent puffs of smoke and idling all over the place turned out to be
a shot PCV non-return diaphram. A replacement diaphram and setting the
timing with a light solved everything! On the trip I consumed only a half
quart of oil and overall got 17 mpg. Amazing. This was an expensive trip
though...$300 for x-rays and attention to a dislocated finger...$300
(estimated) for drying out a Nikon, three lenses and a cellular phone.
Tipped the canoe over in 2 feet of water. Homer Simpson would be proud.
Dooop!

Thanks to the list for all the help with the Rover.

Chris Stevens                   1969 88" IIA SW 2.25

BCG Corporate Communications
Towson, Maryland, USA
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
chrisste@Clark.net

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Date:     Thu, 7 Sep 95 10:03:48 EDT (1403Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Re:  Neat toy found in auto-parts store....

All,

I found a kit from "Sta-Lube" that is a pump w/clear plastic hose.  Two neat 
features:  The pump fits into any sized lube bottle (or at least Sta-Lube) with
a threaded cap and various length pickup tubes for quart thru gallon bottles.  
Second, it has a gizmo on the supply tube that keeps it in the filler hole 
allowing one hand to hold the bottle & the other to operate the pump.

The whole package goes for less than $5.00.

Regards,

Larry

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From: ScottFugate_Group8@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 10:28:41 EDT
Subject: Arcane Abbreviations

Brian Tiedemann asks:

(what do you others mean when you sign off with BT?  It's my initials!)

Brian - BT is a US Navy message abbreviation for "break transmission".  It may 
be protocol for other services or even NATO forces as well - I have no 
experience with them, though.  Despite its sound, it doesn't mean bash your 
tranny on a big rock; it's shorthand for "this is the end of my message".

Lieutenant Commander Scott Fugate, US Navy Reserve
1970 IIA 88
1989 RR

BT

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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 10:48:26 EST
From: "Hadley, William H." <whadley@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: CrAZy sTuFf...

          Man, I'm diggin' this all over the world stuff.
          Japan, Australia, South Africa, the New World and
          the beautiful United Kingdom. One big fat
          Land Rover world connected with lil' modems.

          Ok, enough of that...I have some info for some of
          you:

          The Griot's Garage Number is 1.800.345.5789.
          These people have a Fresh catalog. Lot's of fun
          stuff. A bit pricey but full of "hard to finders"
          like small rubber pads to fit over our jack stands
          so as not to bruise our Rovers, hehehe :-o. But,
          they do have some other stuff that could be most
          useful to many of us.

          Saw a movie the other night with a Series III 109"
          Station Wagon in it. It was called "Straight to
          Hell" and was a cross between "High Plains
          Drifter" and "Pulp Fiction." HHHmmmm... It was
          full of interesting people like Joe Strummer from
          "The Clash", Dennis Hopper, Grace Jones, Courtney
          Love, Jim Jarmusch, and "The Pogues." The 109" is
          in the last scene for about 30 seconds.

          (Subject change)
          I will be heading to London on November 8th
          through the 15th and want to check out some Rover
          stores for accessories and small parts. I saw that
          Brownchurch is in town does anyone else know of
          some other places?
          Also, anyone in England want to give me a job? I
          can leave tomorrow. I think "Nessie" would be
          happier at home.

          Thanks to everyone for help on the door latch fuel
          tank question...

          Sandy, I am sending a check for the
          "Mid-Atlantic..." can I write one check for that
          and my membership?"

          Hope that wasn't too long...

          Will Hadley
          Exhibitions Department
          United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
            whadley@ushhmm.org
            PhatRover@aol.com
          Washington,DC
          202.337.1232

          Series IIa 88" SW "Nessie"(the lil' green monsta'
                                     that's rarely seen)

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:10:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Free range

>(Apparently in Tunisia, the highways have the best grazing.)

They do everywhere.  The water run off from the asphalt gives an extra
measure to the grass growing along side.

Tony

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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:09:39 GMT
From: Alan Clements <alan@slaphead.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Petrol to diesel conversation

I have the chance of buying a turbo diesel engine, 5 speed gearbox and radiator 
from a Defender 90, (1986), to put into my series III, 88.  Can anybody advise 
me as to any problems I may encounter in the conversion or any tips or items 
required to do so.

Also, as we are new to the LR ownership game, could anybody please tell me of 
the best new & s/hand spares/add-ons outlets within the UK .

Many thanks Alan. 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Alan Clements    EMail Alan@Slaphead.demon.co.uk                        |
| You shouldn't have joined if you couldn't take a joke !  |
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 08:36:47 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: 'Tossed' tranny?

 Jim Dolan <JDolan2109@aol.com> writes:

>Well, today (wednesday) it seems that bad things come in heavy packages!
 "May", my '61 LR daily driver, tossed her tranny. Not even a big crash and
 bang. Just malfunction. Symptoms, all with clutch out (pedal up):
 Grinding/whining noise in 1,2,3,4
 No vehicle movement in 1,2,3,4 (noise only)
 No difference in low or high ranges 
 No difference in or out of OD
 No  vehicle movement in 2 or 4 WD, gears engaged (noise only)
 Reverse (only) seems to work suprisingly with not much noise
 No noise when transfer case in neutral, gears engaged, clutch out
 No difficulty in any gear engagement (obviously at levers only)

 Cruising along in 'ol Ralph, my ex-'73 III 88" one day to hear a loud
 explosive pop and grind in all gears.  Towed him back and he sat for 9
 months while I contemplated tranny work... finally took the box out to
 find pieces of the clutch falling out from the bell housing.  It had
 shattered in a half-a-dozen major pieces and would grind every time I'd
 let the clutch out in all gears.  New clutch and throwout bearing and he
 was "back on the 'ol road" (sorry, was that your slogan?) :)

 Michael Carradine         ?           '65 IIA 88" 'Rumpole of the Bay' at
 cs@crl.com                _\    __      http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
                          [__[__[__]
 _________________________(o)___(o)_______________________________________

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:06:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Arcane Abbreviations

>Lieutenant Commander Scott Fugate, US Navy Reserve
>1970 IIA 88
>1989 RR

Nice choice of vehicles, Scott.  I've got a '70 IIa (I bought it new) with
1/3 million miles on the clock, and an '89 RR with about 90K.  Lullubelle and
Annabelle, respectively.  I bought the RR used from A-B two years ago.

The RR has always had a problematic front end.  She suffers from wandering on
the road, and for a brief time, she went "whap, whap, whap" up there while
cornering.  All my mechanic could find wrong were the tie-rod ends, but now
that they're replaced it's gotten much worse.  How's your experience been?

Tony 
Madison, WI

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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Arcane Abbreviations

On Thu, 7 Sep 1995 Sanna@aol.com wrote:

> The RR has always had a problematic front end.  She suffers from wandering on
> the road, and for a brief time, she went "whap, whap, whap" up there while
> cornering.  All my mechanic could find wrong were the tie-rod ends, but now
> that they're replaced it's gotten much worse.  How's your experience been?

Have you tried adjusting the slack in the steering box, and replacing the 
Panhard Rod bushings and steering damper (for the latter use the genuine 
part as I've tried aftermarket ones that made the problem 10 times worse)?

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: ScottFugate_Group8@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 16:02:05 EDT
Subject: re: Re: Arcane Abbreviations

Sanna@aol.com Wrote:

 The RR has always had a problematic front end.  She | suffers from wandering 
on the road, and for a brief time, she went  "whap, whap,  whap" up there 
while cornering.  All my mechanic could find wrong were the  tie-rod ends, but 
now that they're  replaced it's gotten much worse.  How's your experience 
been?

Tony,

My 89 RR has had no such problems, but has only about 30K miles on the clock.  
I have only had it since early May.  It belonged to a guy who made a fortune 
in the coal mining business, I understand, and was one of about 6 vehicles in 
his stable.  When I bought it, it had several niggling things wrong with it 
(brought about from non-use), and a severely leaky steering box.  It had set 
still so much there were dirt dauber (this is the Southern term - don't know 
what you Yankees call 'em) nests on the block and air plenum.   Every thing 
has been fixed but a non-functioning cruise control.  Will set about that 
directly.  

I can only speculate about your wanderer (Maybe it should be named Dion 
instead).  I would check 1) Steering linkage all the way from steering wheel 
to the box. 2) Box adjustment - not sure if they're adjustable.  The Series 
boxes are.  Consult manual.  3) Front wheel swivels.  Jack up front wheel an 
try to detect free movement by wrestling the wheel in all directions. 4) Toe 
adjustment.  5) Funky tires.  I had some recaps on a IH Scout one time that 
seemed to have a mind of their own.

Try talking to gurus at Rovers North, AB, or DAP, if you're a customer or 
potential customer.  Seems they've seen it all.  That route has helped me many 
times over.

Good Luck!

Scott Fugate
1970 IIA 88
1989 RR

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: to:  Chris Haslam (schematic diagrams)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:47:51 -0600 (MDT)

Sorry to bug the list, but I lost Chris Haslam's address.

My mailer crashed on receipt of that huge schematic.  I don't think I can 
handle it.  Maybe Ray Harder or Lloyd Allison can find a spot for it?

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Subject: Re: Rovers and Ham (radio, that is)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 18:01:42 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------

> I stand proud with the porcine members of the list...<grin>
> As a matter of fact, anybody got a good suggestion for mounting a 2

meter/440
> antenna without punching holes in the old aluminum beast? 

On my Discovery I have a Comet 2M/440 Mhz ant (about 56" long) mounted on
the Comet RS-81 door/hatchback mount on the rear door. It clamps down on a
malleable strip and is rubber backed as not to mar the paint. It folds over
in a second or completely comes off almost as easy. It has a cable assy that
has a very thin teflon coax lead (about 12") that goes thru the door seal
and the rest is rather thick 5 MM coax that reaches unseen all the way to my
dual band HT mounted on the center console.
--
Gary Mitchelson                     
garym@racalrecord.com                                
N3JPU

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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:50:49 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Weber adapters

One of the lads in the club has developed an adapter plate to mate the two 
barrel Weber up to the stock LR intake manifold.  Beautiful execution - no 
need for an expensive manifold.  If there is any interest, I'm sure he'll be 
glad to mill a few for a moderate cost.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue,  5 Sep 95 21:14:50 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: Lack of Power on Cold Start 

No problems with power hot or cold on my IIA, once its started....

Fuel vapourisation does not appear to have been the cause of my 
starting problems since I am still having problems now we have 
returned to more normal UK weather (ie rain).

-------------------------------------
Tony Chapman
HAWTEC                   Tel: +44 (0)1905 723200
Haswell House            Fax: +44 (0)1905 613338
Saint Nicholas Street    Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk

Date: 09/05/95
Time: 21:14:50

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Date: Tue,  5 Sep 95 20:49:33 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: Part No. 501244-How to fit?

I am in the early stages of procuring the parts to fit a left hand 
fuel tank to my '68 IIA.  The optional extra kit (part number 
607074) includes a bolt-on forward outrigger.  This is secured by 
means of five bolts screwed into five inserts no. 501244 whicha 
would appear to fit into the side of the main chassis rail.  I have 
obtained some of these.  They consist of a light alloy cylinder with 
an internal thread for about half the length.  At the opposite end 
is a flange.  I am wondering how these are fitted.

My theory is that a close fitting hole is drilled in the chassis, 
the insert pushed into the hole and a bolt inserted and tightened 
up.  This causes the end of the insert to bulge in much the same way 
as a pop rivet, thus securing the insert in the chassis.

Can anyone confirm this? Does anyone have experience of fitting a 
left hand tank?

Any advice greatly appreciated.
-------------------------------------
Tony Chapman
HAWTEC                   Tel: +44 (0)1905 723200
Haswell House            Fax: +44 (0)1905 613338
Saint Nicholas Street    Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk

Date: 09/05/95
Time: 20:49:33

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Date: Tue,  5 Sep 95 21:04:29 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: Replacing Busted Half Shafts 

If you saw my post of about two weeks ago you will know that I 
recently had my half shafts out.  I found considerable wear on the 
splines of both shafts and have decided to renew them along with the 
drive flanges in order to avoid a future failure and possible damage 
to my newly reconditioned differential.

Both shafts and the flanges are still available from L/R.  Price in 
the UK for the two shafts and two flanges was approx 150.  Didn't 
trust cheaper aftermarket parts when genuine parts seem to be only 
just up to the job.  Hopefully I'll get another 27 years out of 
them...
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Tony Chapman
HAWTEC                   Tel: +44 (0)1905 723200
Haswell House            Fax: +44 (0)1905 613338
Saint Nicholas Street    Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk

Date: 09/05/95
Time: 21:04:29

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From: smarsh@halcyon.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:02:26 -0700
Subject: Anyone heard from Robin Craig Lately

Anyone heard from Robin Craig, Ottawa Valley Land Rovers. It appears that his 
last e-mail address is no longer valid.

regards,
Steve Marsh

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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:33:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Part No. 501244-How to fit?

On Tue, 5 Sep 1995 Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk wrote:
[regarding installation of LH tank.....] 
> My theory is that a close fitting hole is drilled in the chassis, 
> the insert pushed into the hole and a bolt inserted and tightened 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Can anyone confirm this? Does anyone have experience of fitting a 
> left hand tank?

Dear Tony,
I believe that you are *absolutely* correct regarding the fasteners. I 
installed front mudflaps on my US spec. D90 (Part No. RTC9479), which 
utilized "rivnuts" (the instructions called them M6 rivnuts, and 
instructed for a 9mm hole to be drilled.) I thought that the thing might 
spin around inside the hole in the frame member (in this case, holes were 
drilled in the front outriggers), but they snugged up well.

I have no specific info regarding fitting a left hand tank....
 
Best wishes,
David Rosenbaum

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:14:01 -0400
Subject: LROA/General Meeting Update

Steve Hill, LROA President, sent us the following meeting notice for
publication on the net:

Attention!            Attention!              Attention!
             Attention!

Land Rover Owner's Association, North America invites all members to the next
Steering Committee Meeting.

Location:  Best Western Motel, Conference Room, Dixon, CA (See map below)

Date/Time:  Sunday, September 17, 1995 @ 11:00 a.m.

Decisions regarding the long range planning and reorganization of the club
are to be discussed, along with a current financial report, and presentation
regarding the Club magazine "The Aluminum Workhorse."

Please RSVP to Steve Hill by Thursday, September 14, 1995 at
916 868-0715.  Looking forward to seeing many of you there.

                                      Pitt School Rd.
                                               |

Vacaville---------------------------------|-----------------------------------
----------Davis
                  ( I - 80 )                  |         ______________
                                               |---------| Best Western  |
                                               |         |_____________|
    Dennys
                                               |
                                    McDonald's
                                               |
                                           Dixon

Steve Hill, President
LROA 916 868-0715   

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re:Sta-lube pumps
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:23:43 +0930 (CST)

Larry tells us of the joys of Sta-lube pumps:

For the OZ contingent these things are available at some auto parts stores
though you may have to hunt for them and they are more like ~$15  than $5
:-(.

Still very worth the price just for the saving in aggravation.
Here in Oz be aware that the pump doers not fit all manufacturers containers.
Penrite, Valvoline, Penzoil are among some that it *Usually*  does fit.
Castrol, BP, Shell, Mobil  are  *usually* not suitable.
Check the lid before you buy...

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
  

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From: ecoethic@rcinet.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:24:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Rover Abuse

I have gotten more response privately and publicly to my message about "Disco 
Abuse" than on any other topic yet. I find this to be heartening as it relates to 
one of my chief interests. Currently I am pursuing my Ph.D. in Environmental 
Studies and I am deeply into the literature of environmental ethics and human 
ecology. The issue of "Rover Abuse" that obviously has different meanings to 
many of you, needs to be discussed. We spend a lot of time on mechanical 
details, and that is very useful for all of us, but what about the philosophical 
basis of our relationship with our vehicle and our attitudes towards the 
environment we explore in it?

Some people use the term "abuse" to articulate their desire to fully use their 
vehicle to its design limits in an expression of joy and wonderment at how 
capable Rovers are, much as an athlete finds extreme satisfaction after making a 
supreme effort. For others, the term is as disturbing as "physical abuse" of a 
person. Rovers are quality machines that deserve respect and should not be 
subjected to Camel Trophy conditions without sufficient reason. Just as it 
would be considered "abuse" to toss a high-quality micrometer across the room 
to land on a workbench, frog-leaping moguls when there is not a sufficient reason 
to be in such a hurry is abuse. Perhaps the term "abuse" should be dropped to 
avoid misunderstanding. We "work" our Rovers, we facilitate situations under 
which the mechanical workings of the Rover are fully articulated within design 
parameters. And above all, we are always eager for the opportunity to pull out a 
stuck Jeep! But, do we really want to break and bend parts to satisfy our 
maschismo?

The real crux of the problem is our attitude as a society towards the 
environment. The prevailing view has placed us apart from nature in a 
dominating and controlling paradigm. Mankind (and I do not mean personkind) 
has treated natural resources as objects to be exploited. I hold the view that all 
species of life and all forms of matter have inherent worth (or intrinsic value) 
apart from our use or conception of them. When I see young punks (excuse the 
expression) in their hopped up Jeeps with oversized tires flying across trails 
completely unmindful of the wildlife in the area or what damage they are doing 
to the species of plant life their tires have spun on, I am appalled. We must curb 
this kind of behavior in all of its degrees or we will continue to lose access to 
natural areas. I personally do not think the "Tread Lightly" organization goes far 
enough in spreading the original message it was created to spread.

How about it gang, what are your thoughts? If any group of off-roaders can lead 
the way in being environmentally sensitive, it has to be this group.

Walt Pokines

Tipp City, Ohio

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:13:40 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Range wiring diagrams

I'd be interested in the Rangie wiring diagrams (electronically)

Sending them uuencoded or as a media mail attachment should be ok

(your email seems to bounce)

Lloyd
Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA
tel: 61 3 9905 5205      fax: 61 3 9905 5146      email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 20:57:44 PDT
Subject: Re: 	D90 for sale

A super-clean 1994 D90 is for sale from a friend of mine who is *not* on line:

1994 NAS D90/AA YELLOW/28K MILES/truly *NEVER* off-road/totally 
sound-treatment; all door panels Dynamatted/`95 BFG A/T tires/`95 ROM 
chipset/Lamp guards/2 Tops: Hardtop + full Tickford soft top/ Rear safari 
cage. Only 10K miles on new tires. Balance factory warranty. Additional 
accessories available. Offers around $27,000. Talk to Conrad O'Mansky at 
1-800-634-5315 ext. 116 days or leave message at night. 

I have seen this truck regularly and can vouch for how nice it really is. This 
unit has been detailed to death! Very, very nice! 

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 21:21:30 PDT
Subject: Re: latest on D90 SW & other models

re: D90 SW

Three color lineup is maintained: Alpine White, Conniston Green, Arles Blue 
(!)
Full headliner/sunroof/4 jumpseats in back/D110 doors/sliding rear side 
windows/roof panel is white/seats are cloth tweed as in D110/rear defrost + 
wiper-washer. Price still not announced. Initial deliveries now expected in 
October.

re: 1996 Range Rover

No more Range Rover Classic.

4.0 SE continues largely unchanged except new colors: Willow Green/Niagara 
Grey/Altai Silver. Porto Red/Roman Bronze/Aspen Silver are gone... Price up 
about 1,000.

4.6 HSE debuts in limited quantities and limited to Beluga Black and Rioja 
Red. Come with  18"(!) wheel/tire combo w/low-profile Pirellis (255/55 HR18). 
And (!) HomeLink programmable garage door/gate opening system(!). Price? 
62,625(!).

re: 1996 Discovery

Consolidation of option matrix
Base stick model no price change at 30575 (frt. included). Base model now 
available in all colors.
Loaded model includes 8-way power seats, fog lamps (ala Range Rover), standard 
rear hydraulic step, special rims,etc. Price up about 2,000 on loaded model.
All models feature 4.0 engine (detuned to 182 hp -same as last year's 3.9 but 
with slightly bumped up torque and improved EPA highway of 18 on manual tranny 
model). Lighted  vanity mirrors both sides/auto-dimming rear view 
mirror/additional turn signals in the body-mounted tail lights/A-pillar 
mounted super-tweeters/CD-player mounting position improved for in-cabin 
access. *Rearward seat travel extended by 20mm on all models.*

Additional info. as I receive it. Look for comprehensive road tests of all 
models in upcoming issues of Rover Reference.

cheerz
Jim - roborover

`67 2A 88 5.0L Hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L Hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C Diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 #457/500
`95 D90 #1958

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:48:30 -0400
Subject: Re: LROA/General Meeting Update

Hi all,

The *map* in the copy of the meeting notice that we received  back on the net
is a disaster.  Suggest anyone needing directions call Steve Hill at 916
868-0715.  Or e-mail us.  Sorry the map is such a mess, it looked good before
I sent it.   So much for my artwork!  ; (

Cheers,

Sue Bernard, LROA,NA
BobandSueB@aol.com

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: 4.6 HSE pricing
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:23:05 +0930 (CST)

Jim tells us:
> 4.6 HSE debuts in limited quantities and limited to Beluga Black and Rioja 
> Red. Come with  18"(!) wheel/tire combo w/low-profile Pirellis (255/55 HR18). 
> And (!) HomeLink programmable garage door/gate opening system(!). Price? 
> 62,625(!).

Well here in Adelaide Sth OZ, we certainly have a wider choice of colours for
the HSE, but they are $112 000 AUD + dealer, delivery, On road costs etc.
(Entry level Disco's are mid $40K's)  I'm not going to try to convert,
remember what happened last time :-)

Hasnt stopped the sales though.  There are quite a few about, none in the
LRRSA though :-(

Oh well, just a thought.

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 21:10:09 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Environmental Abuse (Was: Rover Abuse)

 Walt Pokines <ecoethic@rcinet.com> of Tipp City, Ohio, USA writes:

>When I see hopped up Jeeps with oversized tires flying across trails
>completely unmindful of the wildlife in the area or what damage they are doing
>to the species of plant life their tires have spun on, I am appalled.

 Here in California there are many State operated Off-Highway Motor Vehicle
 Recreational areas where motorcycles and 4x4's are free to operate their
 vehicles as they please.  Also there are several hundred published trails
 throughout the state for off-highway driving in addition to many more unmarked
 or undocumented trails and roads.  This leaves no excuse for Yahoo behaviour
 on the rest of the state lands reserved or otherwise environmentally protected.

>I personally do not think the "Tread Lightly" organization goes far 
>enough in spreading the original message it was created to spread.

 Unfortunately not.  Looking forward to the recent Tread Lightly! newsletter
 in anticipation of interesting member activities, meets, trails, or events
 I was disappointed to find that most of the space was dedicated to corporate
 news and announcements such as a Board of Directors meeting at some exclusive
 destination resort.  Not much doing on the grass roots level, just featuring
 the Tread Lightly! slogan as advertising to appease and sell products to the
 masses.

>How about it gang, what are your thoughts? If any group of off-roaders can
lead 
>the way in being environmentally sensitive, it has to be this group.

 Sorry chaps!  The Unimog people, operating the most powerful 4x4 in the world
 and therefore mandated to excercise extreme prudence, already are *the* leaders
 in environmental sensitivity.  Every Unimog is equipped with at least one large
 waste can or bag to retrieve unsightly traces of civilization, not to mention
 the large carrying capacity of the vehicles themselves.  In addition, many Mogs
 are equipped with forward winches to remove Jeeps and other debris from the
 most unlikely locations, and to help their Rover brethren in sticky situations.
 So if you see an Unimog in its natural setting on a trail or campsite in the
 wilderness, it most likely is pursuing its mandate.  Hence Land-Rovers should
 feel free to lighten their load of garbage they have gathered themselves and
 heap it upon their big-brother the Unimog to carry out.  qB)

 Tread Lightly! (<--for what it's worth)

 Michael Carradine, Architect                          Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA    <cs@crl.com>
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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