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1 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 17 | Parts |
2 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 11 | Movie Sightings |
3 | Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs. | 136 | films |
4 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 26 | Viscosities |
5 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 16 | Parts |
6 | helmuth.guss@balu.kfunig | 25 | Re: Half Shaft Worries: Advice Please |
7 | Ray Harder [ccray@showme | 73 | Old Land-Rover Data (fwd) |
8 | jeremie@lutz.com (Jeremi | 25 | Re: Newbie Questions (Jeep GC, etc.) |
9 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 30 | Re: films |
10 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 19 | Another S.P.O.T. |
11 | Alan Richer [Alan_Richer | 14 | Re: Another S.P.O.T. |
12 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 12 | Re: Insurance |
13 | rlarson@lsil.com (Rick L | 32 | Re: Newbie Questions |
14 | hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.co | 21 | Special Tags |
15 | growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.S | 16 | Re: Rover survival kit |
16 | Harincar@WWW.mooregs.com | 29 | Re: SPOTs |
17 | Harincar@WWW.mooregs.com | 25 | Odd story of points & ignition |
18 | Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004. | 29 | Pointy points |
19 | john@oaty.com (John Gran | 19 | Re: Splash-free oil chnages (well nearly) |
20 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 27 | Re: Parts (fwd) |
21 | "Rostykus, John" [john@m | 19 | Stupid Previous Owner Tricks |
22 | Mark Talbot [71035.3215@ | 11 | NEW 109 rear shocks for sale |
23 | David John Place [umplac | 10 | Re: Parts |
24 | rob_hooper@om.cv.hp.com | 80 | Not so whimpy diff's - Axles Yes! (long story) |
25 | RICKCRIDER@aol.com | 23 | More RR Tire Info? |
26 | Tiffany Downing [tiffany | 39 | RE: Winch, Bushes |
27 | Tiffany Downing [tiffany | 27 | Movies |
28 | johnliu@earthlink.net (J | 26 | Tires for 109? |
29 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 42 | Re: Tires for 109? |
30 | DieselBobI@aol.com | 12 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Dail... |
31 | ecoethic@rcinet.com | 66 | Re: High Altitude Vapor Lock |
32 | "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa | 54 | Re: Tires for 109? |
33 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 18 | Re: films |
34 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 26 | Re: Rover survival kit |
35 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 88 | Re: Rog's misinformation...... |
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Parts Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 07:41:00 DST Since it would be of great benefit to everyone. Why doesn't Dixon publish his parts list, all 47 gazzillion of them, as an FAQ? Or even a print out attached to the OVLR news. This would be a better use of bandwith than flaming back and forth about who has more parts and where. BTW Who has the longest rods? (clutch thread joke :-) ) How about it Dixon. Miss Golightly may even forgive you for not mentioning her visit to Maine. Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Movie Sightings Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 07:46:00 DST Last Night on CBC "And the band played on" about AIDS epidemic. Opening sequence has WHO Land Rover SIIA 109 in carrying health workers to African site in the rain. Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:53:26 +1000 From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: films Revised film list (long thin mail) follows. Many thanks to all concerned. A couple of people told me about Ace Ventura ... ? a series ? but I'm not quite clear on what the film's name is or will be. Can anyone help? A number of the entries are lacking . "reviews" e.g. was the Land-Rover's character adequately developed in the film, .... . date, stars, director if you can contribute more details to: http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Films/index.html Lloyd ----- %T Africa Express %T The Air Up There %T Alice to Nowhere %T American Ninja IV %T An Angel at My Table %T Babe %T Bad Boys %T Barbarians at the Gate %T The Beast Must Die %T The Black Werewolf %T Born Free %T This is Callan %T Casper %T Children of the Damned %T Christian the Lion %T Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion. %T Clear and Present Danger %T Cliffhanger. %T Close Encounters of the Third Kind. %T Congo %T Crack In The World %T Cry Freedom %T Daar doer in die Bosveld %T Dark Horse %T Darling Buds of May %T Deadlock %T Deadly Bees %T Dr. No %T Dr. Who %T Dog Soldiers %T The Dogs of War. %T Dry White Season %T Dumb and Dumber %T An Elephant Named Slowly. %T Emanuelle in Africa %T Escape from Paradise %T Four Weddings and a Funeral. %T The Fourth Protocol %T FX %T Giant Behemoth %T The Gods Must be Crazy. %T Gold %T Gold of the Amazon Women %T Gorillas in the Mist %T Guns at Batasi %T Happy Birthday Wanda Jane %T Heart-Beat %T High Flight %T High Risk %T Highlander III %T Hunt for Red October %T Ice Cold in Alex %T In a Faraway Place %T Island of Terror %T The Italian Job %T Jake Speed %T Judge Dredd %T Killer Force %T The Lair of the White Worm %T Last Frontier %T The Last Safari %T Late for Dinner %T Lethal Ninja %T The List of Adrian Messenger %T The Living Daylights. %T Living Free %T Love Affair %T The Man With The Golden Gun. %T Mogambo %T Mountain Rescue %T Navy Seals %T Octopussy %T Omega Man %T Orca %T Outbreak %T The Pacific Ocean %T Packin' It In %T The Passenger %T Passion and Paradise %T Patriot Games. %T Peter's Friends %T The Player %T Point Break %T Pyrotechnics %T Quiet Thunder %T Red Dawn %T Red Scorpion %T Revenge of the Pink Panther %T The Right Stuff %T Romancing The Stone. %T Roxanne %T The Serpent and the Rainbow %T The Serpent of Death %T Shark aka Maneater %T Sheena %T Simba %T 633 Squadron %T Skeleton Coast %T Sniper %T The Specialist %T Stand By Me. %T Sudden Terror %T Three Men and a Little Lady %T The Treasure of the Four Crowns %T The Ugly American %T Watcher in the Woods. %T White Heart, Black Hunter %T Who'll Stop the Rain %T Wild Geese %T Wild Geese II %T On Wings of Eagles %T Wolf --- end of films --- ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Viscosities Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 08:10:00 DST Dave asks about SAE viscosity ratings. These are an empirical rating based on the viscosities of light and heavy crudes. The limits initial chosen of 0 and 100 were expected to cover all oils but since then oils outside the limits at both ends have been identified. A viscosity of 0W is equivalent to 3,250 centiPoise at -30 Celsius and 3.8 centiStokes at 100 Celcius . 30 has a viscosity of between 9.3 and 12.5 centiStokes at 100 celcius. The viscosity of water is about 1 cS or 1cP and it doesnt vary much with temperature, except when it freezes. So 0W30 is thicker than water when cold and almost as thin when hot. ("So is blood" , Count Dracula ) When choosing a lubricant the temperature range through which it must operate is important. OK to have a nice thin oil for starting at -40, but do you want this watery mix in your engine at operating temperatures? A rather hazardous trick employed by bush pilots of old was to dose the oil tank with gasoline when shutting down for the night. This kept the oil thin for starting and when the engine was warmed up the volatile components boiled off. No Smoking Please!!! Personally for starting on cold mornings I prefer a block heater and stick to 10W40 as a minimum. Longevity wins over easy starting every time. Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Parts Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 08:37:00 DST Catherine McLelland writes When do you throw things out and when do you put them on a shelf in your garage "just in case." You always put them on a shelf just in case. Anybody need some slightly undersize standard pistons, 1/2 a half shaft, cracked manifold, good used head gaskets etc? Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:41:19 +0100 From: helmuth.guss@balu.kfunigraz.ac.at (Helmuth Guss) Subject: Re: Half Shaft Worries: Advice Please Hallo Tony I think the Rover axle is not as bad as everybody thinks Thus the Diff on my SIIA broke a week ago I am shure it brokes because the previos owner made some mistakes when he rebuild it once.( two of the 10 bolds holding the crown wheel were missing and the others sheared off) But if you need a stronger axel (LW-6cyl, off roading) it should be no problem for you to obtain one in UK. You could also go for a locking diff and reinforced shafts and using the Rover housing/diff.parts In the LRO- magazine you will find a lot of diff/axel specialists. The cheapest way on a LW-Land Rover would be to fit a Salysbury . If you drive not off road the Rover diff would be strong enough(my opinion) Greadings from Austria Helmuth Helmuth Guss Hauptstr.18 8435 Wagna 03452 82437 Austria ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 07:56:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu> Subject: Old Land-Rover Data (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:16:07 -0400 From: 74444.550@compuserve.com Subject: Old Land-Rover Data I clipped this from the Wall Street Journal sometime in 1982 while I was still driving a 1974 Series III 88" Station Wagon. Perhaps it's still of some interest to The RoverWeb. By the way, I saved the document with <CR>s only at the ends or paragraphs. This way, it's easier to load into editors, etc. but harder to read unless you do some processng. Jim Alton ************************************************************ Swamps Don't Stop British Land Rovers, But a Strike Might Vehicle Could Be a Casualty Of Work Stoppage at BL; Steak Cookout at Roadside BY BARRY NEWMAN Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SOLIHULL, England - Eighteen years ago, Tom Barton joined a party of adventurers in a desert trek from Egypt across the Sudan into Ethiopia. The group traveled by Land Rover, covering six miles in 12 hours when the sandstorms were at their worst. "Everybody before us perished," Mr. Barton says, "and two lots have perished since. We found one of the perished parties. It wouldn't be fair to say what type of vehicle they were using, but it wasn't a Land Rover, I'll tell you that." Tom Barton is a one-time railroad man who designed the Land Rover for the old Rover Co. after World War II. It was an ungainly machine: flat fenders, boxy cab, spare tire on the hood. But the Land Rover was built to survive, and survive it has-not merely in sandstorms and swamps, to say nothing of wartime battles, but through its parent company's financial perils and several decades of stiff international competition. Land Rover Ltd., based here on the outskirts of Birmingham, is a subsidiary of BL Ltd., the big government-owned automobile maker that used to be called British Leyland. BL is in trouble. It lost $417 million in the first half of this year. In the past three years it has shed 68,000 production workers That leaves 58,000, and they voted recently to go ahead with an all-out strike Nov. 1. the strike takes place, BL says, it will close down completely, and for good. Agricultural Workhorse Of all BL's subsidiaries, only two are stil making a profit. One is the spare-parts business, and Land Rover is the other. The Land Rover's exceptional success is anything but a triumph of skillful marketing, as its current makers readily concede That the vehicle exists at all today is largely accidental. It was first built, more out of desperation than by design, when Rover's steel ration was cut after the war. Needing a substitute for its decorous sedans, the company hit upon an aluminum-bodied agricultural workhorse, fitted with plow and harrow. Rover couldn't afford new pressing machines, so the Land Rover was fashioned of flat plates welded together. "I was told it would last only two or three years," says Mr. Barton, who, at 66 years of age, is still a consultant to the company. "My motto in those days was, 'The Land Rover goes on despite upper management.'" To the surprise of upper management, the Land Rover went on and on. It became [line art LR_WALSJ.TIF here] the British Commonwealth's favored four-wheel-drive vehicle, not least because its aluminum body lasted when its steel rivals began looking like colanders. More than 80% of Land Rovers came to be exported, a figure that still stands. The armies and police forces of 65 countries buy the vehicle; it has been wrapped in armor, converted into fire engines and hovercraft, fitted with tires four feet in diameter, mounted on tracks to pull railroad trains, and filled with foam and floated. There are 27 models of Land Rover today. Over the years, more padding was added to the seats; the spare tire migrated to various positions; and the metal radiator grille gave way to plastic (to the great annoyance of campers who had become accustomed to using the metal grille as a barbecue). But all of today's models look roughly like the first Land Rover. "We believe in evolution," Mr. Barton says. "We've done it gradually." What didn't evolve at Land Rover were new markets. Well into the 1950s, the vehicle was still considered a temporary product. As paved roads spread through the developing world in the 1960s, the marketing department in Solihull was predicting the Land Rover's imminent demise. Production settled down to a steady 54,000 a year; advertising was eschewed. In the 1960s and 1970s, the market for four-wheel-drive vehicles did the opposite of what Land Rover's people predicted. It grew. By 1980 it had reached 850,000 cars a year. But Land Rover continued to produce at its historic level. In 1969, the company introduced the Range Rover, a far more comfortable and even more capable version of the original. Its production was limited to 200 a week. The waiting time for delivery of Land Rover's products stretched to 18 months. The Japanese rushed to fill the vacuum, seeing the four-wheel-drive market as their automobile industry's opening wedge in the Third World. By 1980, the Japanese controlled 43% of the world market, taking over such long standing Land Rover stamping grounds as Australia. Toyota alone was selling 116,000 of its four-wheel-drive Land Cruisers. "There was a boom in the leisure market, in oil exploration," says Mike Hodgkinson, Land Rover's managing director. "Land Rover couldn't fill the orders, and Japan moved in." Mr. Hodgkinson, a boyish-looking 37-year-old, was given the reins at Land Rover three years ago when BL installed its hard- handed chairman, Sir Michael Edwardes. Land Rover had already waked up to the need for expansion-but at the worst possible time. It was planning to spend nearly $ 700 million to double capacity just as Britian's economy was slipping into recession. "We said we didn't think the plan was particularly sensible," Mr. Hodgkinson says. "We ruthlessly hacked it back." Land Rover is still planning to double capacity, to 110,000 cars a year by 1984, but it will spend less than $400 million to do it. Mr. Hodgkinson has shaved the work force to 11,000 from 14,000. He introduced an incentive system on the shop floor that, he says, "gave us a one-shot 30% improvement in productivity." In 1980, Land Rover did exceedingly well. The world automobile market was in a shambles. The British pound was strong, making Land Rovers expensive for overseas customers. In its home market, a Land Rover sold for about $15,000 and a Range Rover for about $30,000. But "despite all logic," as Mr. Hodgkinson puts it, the company sold more cars than ever before: 61,000. It had revenue of about $700 million, translating the pound at the current rate of exchange, and profits that outsiders have estimated at nearly $75 million. Logic won out in the first half of this year, however. Mr. Hodgkinson says Land Rover had its "worst trading period ever." But it still made a profit, and he expects a profit for the year-assuming BL doesn't lose forever, that is. The weakening pound will contribute to this year's profit, but so will the aggressive sales program that even includes advertising. North America is still a blank on Land Rover's sales map-thanks to the company's anemic marketing history-and is likely to remain so through the current slump. Mr. Hodgkinson isn't overly worried about overseas competition from American makes such as the Ford Bronco and the Jeep Cherokee. He considers them "dramatically less refined" than the Land Rover and Range Rover. But the company is a bit wary of Jeep exports now that Regie Nationale des Usines Renault of France owns a chunk of Jeep's parent, American Motors Corp. To help fend off that attack and the continuing barrage from Japan, Land Rover's evolution is picking up pace. The Range Rover now has a four-door model. The Land Rover has a V-8 engine. And, for steak lovers, the metal grille is available again. ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jeremie@lutz.com (Jeremie Kass) Subject: Re: Newbie Questions (Jeep GC, etc.) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:17:43 -0400 Talking about drawbacks to the Jeep Grand Cherokees, I have a real sob story. A relative bought in the past 6 months a GC Laredo. 2 weeks ago, they got into a crash which destroyed the back window and cause body damage to the extent of not being able to open the passenger doors. (picture a GC hitting a brick wall at a 15mph, going backwards) This is in a suburb of Detroit, MI (headquarter of Chrysler, etc.) It is going to take them ****2 - 3 MONTHS***** before they can get all the parts they need before the vehicle can be repaired. I assume that Chrysler places a lower priority on aftermarket parts and are allocating most of what's produced to their new, hotselling cars. Oh well ... they should have bought a LR ... at least they would have been able to rebuild it themselves, eh? Jeremie (soon to be the owner of a '96 Disco, just as soon as our dealer gets his in) -- Jeremie Kass | snail mail: 211 W.Fort St, Suite 1500 Information Systems | Detroit, MI 48226-3281 USA Consultant | e-mail: jeremie@lutz.com JPK Computer Consulting | jkass@detroit.freenet.org ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:35:44 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: films Lloyd Allison writes : > Revised film list (long thin mail) follows. > Many thanks to all concerned. Snip > %T White Heart, Black Hunter Lloyd, It's White Hunter, Black Heart. It was on TV yesterday, here in Madison. Yep, lot's of Land Rovers. And a couple of rigs I couldn't decide whether or not they were converted Rovers. I didn't think Clint Eastwood was mush-mouthed in it. In fact, it seemed to me he spoke more intellgibly than any of his westerns or Dirty Harry movies. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 07:28:10 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Another S.P.O.T. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Another S.P.O.T. I have another to add to the "SPOT" (Stupid Previous Owner Trick) list, On my 88, they used sheet metal screws right through all 3 doors to attach steel plates on which they attached magnetic signs. Sheesh! Some people's kids! ;-) #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 28 Aug 95 11:26:19 EDT Subject: Re: Another S.P.O.T. Re: steel plates for magnetic signs: That's funny....'cause on my Rover (before I painted the doors) you could make out the outlines of a stick-on Schwinn bicycle company sign. Seems like my old beast was a bicycle delivery truck somewhere in its checquered past...8*) Maybe that explains the derailleurs in the transmission8*) -ajr ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:58:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Insurance On 27 Aug 1995, compuserve wrote: > I know this isn't a subject brought up here very often but what is the average > liability only insurance rate for an under 25 male? Varies dramatically by region, rural/urban, and a host of other factors. ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 09:31:00 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: Newbie Questions Couple comments on Grand Cherokee's I owned one for a couple years prior to it being stolen. Probably would still have if it handn't been. I found it to be a very good vehicle. It is lighter duty vehicle by design than the LR's. (My first week long trip off-road in Nevada caused all 4 "off-road" shocks to leak.) However my experience with my D90 suggests its build quality was at least as good or better. I wouldn't buy one for serious off roading but for the occasional trips that most SUV's see it was very competent. This assumes the off road package. The street tired, lower standard Grand Cherokee's are almost useless off road. I ended up replacing it with two cars. A D90 for off road and a Ford Probe for my commute. To be completely honest, I would buy a Grand Cherokee over a Disco if I could only support one car. This decision is based on front seat leg room alone. (I'm 6' 2" with long legs and just don't fit in Discos.) As for the Land Cruiser, I've put in a couple hundred miles on the road in one. No off road miles. Seemed very solid. A little underpowered. The thing about this vehicle is that it is a full size truck. Almost as big a Chevy Blazer. (or is that Tahoe now) In my opinion the size puts it in a different catagory then Rovers or Jeeps. Could be very limiting off road if you are into narrow mountain trails. -Rick 94 D90 Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 13:28:53 EST Subject: Special Tags Just got my new "vanity" tags for the Discovery. Being in Maryland, home of LRNA, I was a bit surprised someone else hadn't already taken what I requested. Anyway, that's me with "4X4XFAR" driving around DC area. I have a bet with myself on how long it'll take the wife to notice the non-random plates when she get home in (my God, only) 3 weeks. I think a month or so. Perhaps it'll help convert her to *Enthusiast* status. I wonder IF the dealer will notice when it goes in for its 7500-mile check-up. I used to have Nevada tags on the Series 2 car that said "BRIT4X4." Had to turn them in soon after turning civilian, though. Hank ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:40:02 -0700 From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Subject: Re: Rover survival kit > I just got a Brigade Quartermaster catalog (one of those questionable > outfits that sells you everything you need to assault your neighbour, as [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > T. F. Mills > tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library Why are they questioanable? Not PC enough for someone with a .edu address? I've been buying equipment from them for years with no problems. If you don't like something or they screw up, they make it right. R, bg ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Harincar@WWW.mooregs.com (Tim Harincar) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:48:34 -0700 Subject: Re: SPOTs A couple of things to add... The PO of my '66IIa bought a bran-spankin'-new carb for it and I swear he took it out of the box and bolted it right on - no checking the adjustments or anything. It was running so rich that on my way home after I bought it, it would kill at stop lights and such. You'd have thought it was a diesel. (The float wasn't even *close* to being in the proper position.) Secondly, the PO in question buys a complete new exhaust system from atlantic british, and hauls it all down to the local Midas shop for install. That shop procedes to cut off the mounting flange that mates the intermediate pipe with the muffler, welds on a reducer to the end of the intermediate, and welds that into muffler. Why? My guess is so that the next time the pipe failed, they could soak the PO for a new muffler as well, but thats just a theory... Fortunatly, when I went to replace the 18 month old rust and hole tube that used to be the Atlantic British pipe, I was able to cut it off flush with the flange so that I wouldn't have to buy an $80 muffler as well. Tim Harincar Moore Graphics Services harincar@mooregs.com Minneapolis, MN '66 IIa 88SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Harincar@WWW.mooregs.com (Tim Harincar) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:50:13 -0700 Subject: Odd story of points & ignition Last spring, I had posted regarding an odd problem I was having with the ignition in my '66 IIa after replacing the points with a new pair that had come from Atlantic British. The problem was this: After I installed the points, it ran for about 20 miles and would then start to misfire. I'd check and adjust the gap, then it would run fine again for a short while (couple days) then begin to misfire. I thought I had put the points in incorrectly, but everything appeared as normal. Frustrated and about at the end of my rope (isn't it the seemingly simple problems that push you over the edge?), I put the old, pitted and warn points back in (another good reason never to throw anything away), and it has run just dandy for the last two months. Can points be "bad"? Tim Harincar harincar@mooregs.com '66 IIa 88SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM> Subject: Pointy points Tim, > The problem was this: After I installed the points, it ran for about 20 miles > and would then start to misfire. I'd check and adjust the gap, then it would > run fine again for a short while (couple days) then begin to misfire. > Can points be "bad"? Did they *need* adjustment after each 20 miles? I used to have this same distributor and its 6-cylinder cousin in my TR4 and 6's, and the only time I saw this kind of problem was when I got some points that were made a little wrong. If the plastic cam follower is not square to the cam lobe, but rather rides on the top or bottom corner of the plastic, it will understandably wear much more quickly, closing up as it wears and requiring constant adjustment...until it finally wears a *new* full-height angle on the plastic follower, at which point it will be OK again. If you still have the "new" points, you should be able to look at them and see if that was the case (if there's a canted worn spot on the follower edge.) Duncan ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:00:41 -0700 From: john@oaty.com (John Grant) Subject: Re: Splash-free oil chnages (well nearly) I think I have a technique that is *nearly* perfect. First you do really need a bowl with a large opening, it can be done with the little joke things that the auto parts stores think work, but it's easier (less aiming) with the big hole. If you have a mesh over the top so much the better. Buy a 90 degree bend 4" plastic pipe (US$2). Don rubber gloves. Undo drain plug almost all the way. Hold pipe over plug with bottom orifice aimed at pan, unscrew remaining distance with fingers. Plug will shoot out and down the pipe, but then so will the oil, so you don't need to hold the pipe *that* close. If you have a mesh covering over the pan then you won't have to fish for the plug and the (two or three times reusable) disposable washer. The washers are easily available from the dealer for about 75USc (or GB 25p). Don't forget the sealant on the threads. ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Parts (fwd) On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Easton Trevor wrote: > Since it would be of great benefit to everyone. Why doesn't Dixon publish > his parts list, all 47 gazzillion of them, as an FAQ? Or even a print out > attached to the OVLR news. Happily it isn't 47 gadzillion parts. To stick in the newsletter, double column, two pages a month, it would take 284 months or a little more than 23 and a half years to print it. I think some of it might be outdated by now. This is not a small file, most text editors will barf on the length and size. Until it is modified into a more useful format etc. a RN catalogue is a better bet. Besides, type in Brakes and you get a couple dozen numbers pop up. Which of these do you want? > How about it Dixon. Miss Golightly may even forgive you for not mentioning > her visit to Maine. The comment was about the fact that there were eight OVLR vehicles there and none of them were Canadian... :-) Besides, we need to talk about that joint OVLR-TARC event at Silver Lake this past June 23-24 in your newsletter... :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Rostykus, John" <john@mailgwy.Data-IO.COM> Subject: Stupid Previous Owner Tricks Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 13:16:00 PDT I once bought a 1964 109" pick-up as a parts truck (the chassis was swiss cheese). It ran ok, and I was able to amble home on back roads without offending anyone (~20 miles). The previous owner had driven it into the mountains regularly, and thought it would be ready to roll with a new rear spring hanger (completely rusted away). During the dismantling stage, I removed the seat box, and discovered only two bolts holding it to the rear bed. I looked a little further to see what else might be holding the bed on. With much amusement, at this point I was able to lift the entire rear bed off the vehicle! I'm sure glad I didn't hit any speed bumps on the way home... Rosty ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 28 Aug 95 16:34:42 EDT From: Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com> Subject: NEW 109 rear shocks for sale All, I have a pair of 109 rear shocks for sale. Brand new, still in box asking $60 the pair. Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:59:22 -0500 (CDT) From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA> Subject: Re: Parts Don't toss those broken half shafts out yet. My machinist friend welds the machined ends onto new material in the middle and volia a new half shaft. He told me that to machine the end would cost me more than I could buy a new shaft for but to weld in a piece of machine tool steel is about $15. You can guess what route I choose. Dave VE4PN ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: rob_hooper@om.cv.hp.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 13:50:29 -0700 Subject: Not so whimpy diff's - Axles Yes! (long story) Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Greetings from a new subscriber to the LRO group. I like the SPOT's people have posted - seems like I've seen many of them in the 4 LR series I've had through the years. I was reading a posting about the whimpy rover diff's and I beg to differ about that statement. Axles - well those are a bit whimpy but I'd like to relay a story about my ols '73 III and a problem I encountered. First to set to story, I had owned the '73 from day one and this Rover had been put through some pretty tough abuse (like hauling 200 gallon water trailer twice/week for 5 months) out a 15 mile drive from Durango, Colorado making an altitude gain from 6500ft to 8500ft; doing forest fire fighting with the same trailer, 5 adults, 200 feet of hose, fire pump, chain saws and hand tools at 8000-9000ft, going up old logging "roads" sometimes so steep (35deg at those altitudes) where we had plenty of traction (no wheel spin) "plenty" of power but not enough clutch plate tension to keep from clutch from not slipping - yep that means 4 of 5 people get out and push!, lots of cruising above timberline 10,000ft-12,000ft in the scenic San Jauns. With that as a preface, ye ole half shafts were taxed just a tad bit. One day, as many of us have experienced, I had that little bang and we no go forward no more under 2X4 drive. Well, I popped the shafts out, pulled the pumkin (diff housing) and retrieved the remains of my left half shaft. Checked the diff over, every thing appeared secure and undamaged. Then about 10,000 miles later, on the road to the Snow Bowl Ski Area on Sunset Peak (Flagstaff, Arizona - 7,500 ft.), the first week in January with plenty of snow on the road, a sonic wave rivalling that of a .357 cal pistol came from under the back floor followed by this tremendous gowl. I stopped and took a look underneath and saw a most distrubing sight, a thin stream of gear lube coming from a hole in the back housing of the axle - a hole the size of a .357 (well ok close) with a bolt shaft sticking out through the housing. My first thought was great, I just toasted a $800 pinion/crownwheel set, followed by now what do I do? To make a long story shorter, I pulled the half shafts out and replaced the driving members (hubs) with a little added grease (always carried a 1 lb tin of grease!), pulled off the prop shaft to isolate the offended diff. and drove for the next 3 days using front wheel drive (yep - it really did ok in the snow) and on my way back down to Phoenix I averaged about 30mpg with a road speed of 50-55 mph. When it came time to pull the diff, I drained the lube and all the assorted bits of metal and a couple of pieces of bolts and keepers. The damage was nothing less than amazing, two teeth were scuffed on the crownwheel and one pinion tooth - so slight that all I did was polish the ever-so-slight burrs smooth with my Dremel (less than .0005" removed) no other damage was done. All I did was put all new bolts and keepers in and back in service I was. What happened according to my discussions at that time ('78) with Rover UK was that those funky 10mm shoulder bolts are designed to shear to help protect the pinion/crownwheel when the half shafts left loose under load. Find that in the shop manuals!! :-| So the moral is, blow a half shaft, replace all bolts and keepers. BTW, I still have the two offending bolts and the one has grind marks from the outer surface of the crownwheel - the one punched through the housing. As an afterword, I know of no other 4X4 that could have accepted this abuse, be fixed under not so ideal conditions and still get me back home in reasonable fashion. BTW, for any Arizona LRO's, have you seen a marine blue '73 III 88 Sta. Wagon with a Artic White (Rover's really white color) tropical roof with alpine lights, and deluxe bonnet. It would likely be sporting a Warn 8000 winch, brush guard, and a low profile gas can carrier on rear door, and a modified factory roof rack. Last owner lived in Bisbee, AZ. Just curious to know if it's still running. It was my favorite own I had. Cheers, Rob Hooper ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:07:27 -0400 Subject: More RR Tire Info? OK......I'll try this again. My previous post got just a couple of responses and I thank those who responded. My question, simply put, is: "How much larger a tire may I install on my 1988 Range Rover with completely stock suspension without danger of scrubbing?" I am currently running the stock size Michelin 205-16 XMS which I am unhappy with. If I'm going to go through the trouble and expense of new tires I want to use a somewhat wider, fatter tire, and perhaps a bit taller. Prefer a mutltipurpose type tread that won't be terribly noisy on the pavement. Most importantly, for shopping purposes, I need sizes.....not brands or styles. IE: 225/75/16, 235/85/16, etc., etc., etc. Thanks again. Rick Crider KD4FXA <rickcrider@aol.com> ' 66 SIIa 109" (Hugo) .......and for sale........ ' 73 SIII 88" (Jesse) ' 88 Range Rover.....no name.....my daily mule.....and needs new shoes. ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:53:33 +0930 From: Tiffany Downing <tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au> Subject: RE: Winch, Bushes LLoyd wrote: >The chassis spring-bushes (S1-S3) can easily be removed by hack-sawing through >them (pass blade through bush-hole). Once cut length wise they push out easily. >If the bolt is seized in the bush I guess one could destroy the rubber >by various means! <snip> We tried this method and removed three of the spring bushes however the last one wouldn't budge no matter what we tried. We ended up burning it out. I do not recommend this unless it is a FINAL LAST RESULT, because not only does it leave a really nice pile of mushy melted rubber that sticks to everything, but it STINKS!!! >Getting the new [standard] bushes in is "another matter". >I used various high-tensile bolts, washers and spacers to pull them in. We actually did something that we'd heard along the Landy grapevine - Freeze them. This way they shrink slightly and can be inserted with not quite so much trouble. This does not affect them in the slightest (well not so far that we know of :-) All I can say it that I'm glad we don't need to do it again in a hurry!!! Best of Luck!! Tiffany Downing ******************************************** Co-ordinator, International Student Programs TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA Phone: (61 8) 226 3202 Fax: (61 8) 226 3655 E-Mail: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au ******************************************** ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:05:41 +0930 From: Tiffany Downing <tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au> Subject: Movies I just happened to switch on the TV the other night and guess what jumped out of the screen at me but a couple of SIII's and a Unimog. The movie was called "The Odd Angry Shot" and it starred Graham Kennedy and Bryan Brown and some other oldies that probably were stars in someone else's time that I didn't recognise. It was an Australian movie (I'd guess by the strong Australia Accents and the cast) and was set during a war. I didn't watch long enough to get anymore info, but it's another one for the movie list anyway. Cheers Tiffany Downing ******************************************** Co-ordinator, International Student Programs TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA Phone: (61 8) 226 3202 Fax: (61 8) 226 3655 E-Mail: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au ******************************************** ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:56:09 -0700 From: johnliu@earthlink.net (John Y. Liu) Subject: Tires for 109? My trusty Sr. IIA 109 needs new tires. She is neither lifted nor fender-bulged. I will be driving her to Costa Rica and back next year with two people and a load of camping and kayaking gear, so I'd like good, durable, long-lasting tires for mixed pavement/dirt road/some beach sand/maybe some mud use, but its not going to be the Camel Trophy or the Rubicon or anything similar. I have the 16" rims. Currently I have two spares on 16" rims, brand new Armstrong "Norseman" radials in 205 (I think)/16 size; I don't care if my new tires are the same, but I'd like them to be compatible in case they all get mixed up. I'm not anxious to get bigger or wider tires just for the looks, but would consider them if there would be an advantage. And -- sigh -- money is a consideration, so I can't change the rims or buy $250 Dick Cepeks. Can anyone suggest a suitable tire brand and size that would be available in the U.S.? And do you suggest mounting them with tubes? (I followed the recent Michelin XCL discussion but was unclear if people were saying the Michelin was the best for my purposes or simply that "here's how to find them if you want them".) John Y. Liu johnliu@earthlink.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:22:24 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Tires for 109? John Y. Liu <johnliu@earthlink.net> writes: >My trusty Sr. IIA 109 needs new tires. Currently I have two spares on 16" rims, brand new Armstrong "Norseman" radials in 205 (I think)/16 size; Can anyone suggest a suitable tire brand and size that would be available in the U.S.? And do you suggest mounting them with tubes? John, You don't say where you are so I may be pissing in the wind with this reply, if so, maybe someone else can make use of it. Norseman's are good all-around tires, and I think Series III Rovers were equipped with them at one point. I like the tread pattern, pliability, durability, and general appearance of the tire --they look like they'll take you anywhere and bring you back home! For awhile I was told they were no longer made in the US, but I rediscovered them in metric sizing as they were installed at a local service station in Moraga, CA (east of Oakland, CA). To my suprise they were affordable too at about $83 each plus valve stems, installation, tax, etc., or about $100 a pop. As far as using tubes, I subscribed to belief that tubes should be run even with tubeless off-highway tires. After listening to some discussion, I find it difficult to imagine a puncture or tear that was large enough to cause a hole or tear in the tire, but small enough to leave your tubes intact. And, I can see where tubes might work out of a tire in an air-down, or more likely, be dislogged in the tire and rotate away from the valve stem causing the valve stem to tear. I don't know of any manufacturer who designs a tubless tire to be used WITH tubes. Anything a tube tire can do, a tubeless tire can too, except, you can use the tubes to go rafting :) If you want to be safe, take some tubes with you --they don't take up much room or weigh too much, yu can always use them for bartering with the natives =]:)* Michael Carradine ? '65 IIA 88" 'Rumpole of the Bay' at cs@crl.com _\ __ http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html [__[__[__] _________________________(o)___(o)_______________________________________ ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DieselBobI@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:35:54 -0400 Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Dail... to gregwhitw@trteal.com concerning the battery, get 2 12 volt batteries somewhere in the 800-900 amp. range, wire them in parrallel,hot to hot,neg to neg . be sure to put a kill switch between them and the solenoid. it might just save you if you leave any electrical components on, or if there are any bad grounds, as for the alternator, just get a lucas and have it rebuilt.you can find a used one for 20. and get it upgraded even for about 50. to 60. ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ecoethic@rcinet.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:58:19 -0400 Subject: Re: High Altitude Vapor Lock I just returned recently from a three week trip to Colorado around South Fork, Creede, Lake City, Silverton, Durango, etc. I put on about 1000 miles in the mountains with the Rover (72 Series III - 88). We, (myself and my three sons) crossed the continental divide many times and put on up to 140 miles in a day off road. The only problems we encountered with the LR involved the engine losing power and dying out above 12,000 feet. The first time it happened I discovered that if I turned around and backed up the slope I did better. I attributed the problem to vapor lock and a tired fuel pump. So if anyone out there heard reports of an 88' backing up between Carson and Old Carson between 12,000 and 13,000 feet, it was me. Made it to the top backwards! The next day I installed a Purolator electric fuel pump in addition to the mechanical with a separate control switch. This seemed to solve the problem except when I would shut it off for a few minutes to take pictures above 13,000 feet. Vapor lock would reoccur momentarily until the fuel pump had time to work. When I have time I would like redo the fuel supply system in the best possible state. I have noticed that some recommend putting the fuel line behind the engine, and that some do not recommend having both the mechanical and the electric on together. In my setup they do not seem to conflict with each other (the electric is after the mechanical and before the filter and pressure regulator). The carb is a Weber 2 bl with Pierce manifold. Other than this small problem, I had no troubles whatsoever with the Rover. I didn't come close to getting stuck, but I did have a scare with losing traction going up a slope in the rain at about 13,500 feet. I was following the tracks of a Jeep that had gone before me that I had observed from the other side of the valley. It was raining, but the traction was decent as it was a rocky soil. We were in and out of clouds, so we could not see very far ahead, and it was a fairly steep slope (30-35 degrees). Within a few hundred feet of the top of the peak I saw where the Jeep had spun out when it lost traction. Apparently it had then backed down in its tracks and disappeared on a side trail in the clouds, accounting for why I did not see it or a second set of tracks. I was torn about whether to continue up or not as I have seen the aftermath of what happens when someone gets sideways on a steep slope. I kept a steady slow speed (1st in low) and got about 100 feet past where the Jeep spun out when I began to feel it slow down. In my youthful days I would have gunned it for all it was worth, but instead I eased off the throttle and came to a gentle stop. I then very gently crept down using the brakes with the tires just barely moving. One of advantages of keeping your brakes evenly adjusted is being able to ease down like this. I think going down in reverse gear would have been too fast. I also was thankful for the Warn hubs on the rear wheels, for they let me see the rate of the wheel turn easily. I backed down ever so slowly until I reached the first mogul to turn around. The kids didn't realize fully how precarious our situation was until I told them that if started rolling sideways, we would have been spinning like a top until about 9,000 feet or so. Not only does a Land Rover get you stuck in places where you should not be in the first place, it rescues your butt when it is taken beyond the limits of traction! I might also add that the parking brake also held by itself on this slope as backup! One last comment. During the whole three weeks I did not see one Series Rover anywhere (I guess everybody was up in Breckinridge). I did see four Range Rovers and three Discovery's, but all on paved roads, and only one driver acknowledged my presence with a wave, north of Silverton. Walt Pokines Tipp City, Ohio 60' Ser II, 66' Ser IIA, 2-72' Ser III's, 55' REO (Land Rover Support Vehicle) ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@s101dcascr.wr.usgs.gov> Subject: Re: Tires for 109? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:39:41 -0700 (PDT) 0 >>>>> John Y. Liu writes: > My trusty Sr. IIA 109 needs new tires. She is neither lifted nor > fender-bulged. I will be driving her to Costa Rica and back next year with [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] > bigger or wider tires just for the looks, but would consider them if there > would be an advantage. And -- sigh -- money is a consideration, so I can't > change the rims or buy $250 Dick Cepeks. John, having driven that particular strech of road 3 times over the years, I would suggest that you concentrate on deciding what type of tire you want (general purpose mud and snow tires sound about right) the size, load capability, and durability, then go shopping for the best value. You might end up with Coopers, Michelins or whatever and it won't make a whole lot of difference. As you point out, this isn't going to be too rigorous. Conditions may have changed in the recent past, but when I had to go tire shopping in Belize due to premature wear, I resolved to not leave the United States again without virtually new tires. I ended up buying tires that had been imported used from England. The original owners had been the Postal Service. > Can anyone suggest a suitable tire brand and size that would be available in > the U.S.? And do you suggest mounting them with tubes? Brands: if you get Firestones, be sure to get a mileage guarantee. Tubes: assuming your rims will hold air and the tires are designed for it, my suggestion would be to go tubeless, but take several tubes with you. Make sure they are for radials if you get radials. > (I followed the recent Michelin XCL discussion but was unclear if people > were saying the Michelin was the best for my purposes or simply that "here's > how to find them if you want them".) This thread ran heavily to where rather than why. I wouldn't even think about the XCL's for your purposes. As an aside, I have Michelin highway tires (235 85R 16s) on my 109. Very nice tires, but sadly lacking in the aggressive tread department. They were purchased at great cost by the PO and I am very reluctant to spend good money replacing them. My solution was to purchase 2 sets of chains and use them when the going gets sticky or slippery. So far I've not had to put on the second set. Walter Swain 1967 IIA 109 Safari SW, petrol Davis, CA 1988 Range Rover ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 01:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: films >From Lloyd.... > Revised film list (long thin mail) follows. Here's another one... "The Lion of Africa" Mild adventure about a transport driver who has a Bedford truck and (of course) a damsel in distress. They get chased at one point by "bad guys" in Land Rovers. Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:50:03 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: Rover survival kit > Survival kits are pretty handy item to have around, so why not make it a > Rover survival kit. In my experience, packaged survival kits are more targeted to the average git who's going to get themselves broken down by the side of the road and have to wait a couple of hours for the tow truck. I would much rather put together my own kit, with what I'm likely to need. The packaged kits might make a good *starting* point, except that you can probably put together the same items for a lot less. And I expect that any first aid kit sold to regular folks will be grossly inadequate for the sort of off-in-the-boonies travel that LRO's are likely to do. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:50:09 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: Rog's misinformation...... I'm really sorry to bombard the list with this, but when someone claims, in a public forum, that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to my profession, I have to respond in public as well. > Uncle Roger, thou knowst not what you speak. Why not stick to Rovers and After 15 years in the computer industry, and 12 years active in the on-line world, I think I do know of what I speak. I was in Ottawa recently (and got to attend the OVLR birthday party) because I was invited to speak at the Cognos North American User Conference. My paper? Cognos Users and the Information Highway. I was also on the panel for an on-line conference during the conference. I have run BBS's, and worked with the large conferencing services. I also use a direct internet provider (take a look at my address.) I'm president of a computer user group, active in others. I'm on the board of directors for the Computer History Association of California, and have a modest collection myself. I have had several articles published in magazines and newsletters. If you want to take a look at my current resume, take a look at http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn. When it comes to computers and their use (including teleconferencing (as it was called in my day)), I most certainly know what I'm talking about. As for Land Rovers, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not technically knowledgeable. I'm just obsessed. > Most on this list are smart > enough to realize that WE CAN MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS. I will certainly not dispute that. I have the highest regard for the folks on this list. However, even the smartest among us can't make decisions without adequate information. I was providing some information that folks on the list may not have been aware of. (This was a recent price reduction.) Perhaps you, for whatever reason, chose AOL after evaluating all the other services, but others may not know what else is available. Would you have someone choose AOL simply because that's what came with their computer? What kind of DECISION is that? > AOL and I have no problems with MIME attachments, Perhaps you don't. But quite a few people indicated that suddenly a couple of LR mail lists were showing up with just the first message and a MIME attachment. Okay, so you know how to deal with a MIME attachment using AOL's software, but others didn't. And AOL didn't see fit to tell anyone of the change, or to let people know how to deal with the results. AOL caters to novice computer users; they should provide the support that novices need. Someone asked what happened, and I gave my considered opinion, based on the symptoms reported. > and to add something to the > Address Book you click on the icon that reads "Address Book" so I can see > where you may have had problems and become confused. And what do you do after clicking on "Address Book"? Type in the address, eh? I'm sorry, but that's not acceptable interface design in this day and age. > I have no gripes with Compuserve yet I CHOOSE to use AOL. I respect your > choice to use CS or whatever, just cool it with the superiority complex and > snot attitude. Over the years, I have used Fido (The international network popular long before the internet went mainstream?), BIX, Prodigy, CIS, AOL (limited), the Internet, and countless business and personal BBS's and WAN's. I use what best gets the job done. And when others have problems, I try to help. When I have information that may be of interest to others, I offer it. There are those who, armed with the knowledge of CIS's lower cost, may CHOOSE to use CIS. I don't get anything out of it, except that a Land Rover Owner may be better connected, and may be able to help me out with one of my many LR problems. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950829 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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