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1 Gary Mitchelson [garym@c26[not specified]
2 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr22SNOTs (Was: Discovery oil filter)
3 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D21Parts from UK
4 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE34 Re: Running On Two
5 Gary Mitchelson [garym@c24[not specified]
6 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE26 Re: Rover survival kit
7 Willyz@aol.com 53Rog's misinformation......
8 Sanna@aol.com 16Re: Pacific Northwest connections
9 Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk 30Half Shaft Worries: Advice Please
10 Sanna@aol.com 37Re: Newbie Questions
11 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr24Re: To rebuild or not . . . .
12 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak20D90 seats in series LR
13 Catherine McClelland [ti17SII horn
14 Magnet [magnet@io.org> 21LR SIII Spotted 4sale
15 Benjamin Allan Smith [be51[not specified]
16 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr17Re: SII horn
17 Benjamin Allan Smith [be28[not specified]
18 TONY YATES [tonyy@waalp31Movies
19 "John B. Friedman" [joha15Series stuff for sale
20 compuserve [72647.2641@c10Insurance
21 jpappa01@interserv.com 41Re: BSROA
22 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du19Jefferies CT Discovery world tour
23 Benjamin Allan Smith [be32[not specified]
24 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du16Re: Need Rover information
25 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (39Re:SPOTS
26 justfred@netcom.com (Fre27Re: Southern Words (was 34,000 parts)
27 justfred@netcom.com (Fre31Re: SPOTs
28 LANDROVER@delphi.com 26Re: SII horn


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Subject: Re: Discovery oil filter
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 10:28:21 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------

and
> may not be sold everywhere. I get Castrol at Auto Zone   14.78 a case with
a
> 3.60 rebte though that rebate has not yet arrived   and the Deutsch
filters
> 2/5.00 but the secret of a splashless change   so far eludes me. I have
tried
> various diverter techniques. What do   you use?

I've settled on the Fram PH8a for the time being.
I'll use a larger catch basin ( 18" X 24") to catch the oil.

Wht did you do about the copper washer on the drain plug? any idea on size
or where I can get them? I have not check at the auto parts place yet.
--
Gary Mitchelson                     
garym@racalrecord.com                                
N3JPU

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 11:18:19 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: SNOTs (Was: Discovery oil filter)

 Gary Mitchelson <garym@racalrecord.com> writes about his Discovery:

>What did you do about the copper washer on the drain plug? any idea on size
>or where I can get them? I have not checked at the auto parts place yet.

 Heck, if you would have a REAL Series Land-Rover you'd make your own
 copper washer.  Use this SNOT*: Take a copper penny and clamp it down real
 tight and drill a hole in it.  Of course in the bush you'd take a copper
 penny and press it to a tree with your .45  ..Whammo!  New copper washer.

 *SNOTs (Stupid New Owner Trick)
  SPOTs (Stupid Prior Owner Trick)

 Michael Carradine         ?             '65 IIA 88" 'Rumpole of the Bay' at
 cs@crl.com                _\    __        http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
                          [__[__]__]
 _________________________(o)___(o)_________________________________________

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Parts from UK
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 14:39:00 DST

As far as the best technique for ordering goes. IMHO You should fax an 
enquiry, asking for parts by number if possible ans asking them to list 
shipping charges. When you reach a satisfactory arrangement, fax an order 
listing the parts and shipping. Use a charge card and you retain some 
control over the cost. If they fail to deliver then they shouldn't charge 
you. The charge should only be processed when the goods are shipped. The 
charge should be the same as their quote and your order. If any of the above 
fail to happen you can dispute the charge with your credit card company and 
they ought to honour the original transaction.

Having suggested this as a way of protecting oneself against bad business 
practices,I have to say I've never had any problem with orders once placed. 
Just trouble getting people to actually quote prices.

Trevor Easton 

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:15:48 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Running On Two

Chris Stevens wrote:
> Here's the situation: Brand new head; New valves, seats, guides, seals,
> etc.installed last week. Wiring from distributor to plugs is right. Plug
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> I pull the plug wires from three and four there is no drop in rpms (they
> are not firing).

I had the same problem aboout ten years ago after a distributer swap 
on my '62. First I was sure that *I* had screwed it up and put the 
dist. drive in 180 degrees out (did you check this?). Still wouldn't 
run right. Messed around with it for a couple of days and then had to 
return to VT (my dad used the LR at his place in VA). About a year later 
I was down again and out of desperation I put in new plugs. Ran like 
a top. Three of the four new Champions I had put in the previous 
year were defective. The moral? Don't overlook the ridiculous.
Also check the timming, easy to get that 180 out. Also the tappet 
settings. Don't just pull the wires off the plugs. Take out a plug 
and ground it to see if it's firing or not. Are you getting spark 
from the dist to the wire, wire to plug, across plug gap?
Good luck.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Subject: Re: SNOTs (Was: Discovery oil filter)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 15:14:59 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
> Subject: SNOTs (Was: Discovery oil filter)
> Gary Mitchelson <garym@racalrecord.com> writes about his Discovery:
>  Heck, if you would have a REAL Series Land-Rover you'd make your own

We all had to start somewhere. A Series may be in my future.

>  copper washer.  Use this SNOT*: Take a copper penny and clamp it down
real
>  tight and drill a hole in it.  Of course in the bush you'd take a copper
>  penny and press it to a tree with your .45  ..Whammo!  New copper washer.

Unfortunately largest caliber I have is .429" and the washer has a .8" ID

--
Gary Mitchelson                     
garym@racalrecord.com                                
N3JPU

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:35:43 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Rover survival kit

T.F. Mills writes:
Snip
 
> Survival kits are pretty handy item to have around, so why not make it a 
> Rover survival kit.  (This is not an advertisement, just a Rover public 
> service announcement.)
Hmmm.  You could shoe your beast with Land Rover tires too (who made 
those, I forget?). And for those escapes where even your Rover won't 
go, get a Land Rover or Range Rover mountain bike. Gee, you could get 
a pair of Land Rover hiking boots for where you can't get on your 
bike. I guess it just goes to show, the Land Rover name is well know 
for rough country travel.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Willyz@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 15:19:03 -0400
Subject: Rog's misinformation......

-I think that the technical wizards (the same guys that do the -commercials?)
at 
-AOL decided to add MIME support.  And screwed it up.  Doesn't -surprise me.
 

-FYI, Compuserve has lowered their prices to match that of -AOL.  They also 
-offer, however, a lot more added benefits.  (like, if you're into
-collecting 
-U.S. Large Cents, or U.S. Colonials, you need to be on CIS; both -EAC & C4
are 
-there.  Lots of other groups are on CIS too.)

-CIS Also has the advantage that you don't have to use their -software.  So
if 
-you get tired of not being able to just click a button to add -someone's 
-address to your address book (which you can't do with AOL's -software
(Mac)), 
-you can switch to any of dozens of other programs. 

Uncle Roger, thou knowst not what you speak. Why not stick to Rovers and can
the Compuserve commercial disguised as advice. Most on this list are smart
enough to realize that WE CAN MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS.

AOL and I have no problems with MIME attachments, and to add something to the
Address Book you click on the icon that reads "Address Book" so I can see
where you may have had problems and become confused.

I have no gripes with Compuserve yet I CHOOSE to use AOL. I respect your
choice to use CS or whatever, just cool it with the superiority complex and
snot attitude.

Now back to LAND ROVERS!

Question-After many years and several layers/pounds of duct tape I need to
replace my rear headliner. While I'm at it I would like to install some
"Alpine Windows". I have seen others with these windows done in two ways.
Either with a headliner that does not curve down at the edges, leaving the
outer edges bare to install the glass, or with the glass installed right
through the headliner with the liner tucking under the rubber trim on the
glass. It looks like to do the first method would be a pain to remove all the
black fiber mat sutff under the headliner to clean up the metal and install
the new liner/glass.But I'm not sure if one or the other is preferrable or
why. Can anybody shed any light on redoing a headliner for me? Any good U.S.
sources for kits and/or instructions? Thanks.

Bill Kaszer
'73 Series III

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:13:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Pacific Northwest connections

>I am looking for the names of anyone in the Seatle, WA area.

It's a little south, but a very reliable source (& mechanic) is Doug Shipman
in Portland.  His shop is out by the airport off 205 at 12755 NE Whitaker
Way. His phone is 503-252-5566.  He specializes in series Rovers, and is very
good.

Tony

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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 20:52:04 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: Half Shaft Worries: Advice Please

I am in the process of replacing the rear (Rover) differential on my 
SWB IIA.  I have noticed that the differential ends of both half 
shafts are worn and that there is considerable play between the 
drive flanges and half shafts.

Bearing in mind the Rover axle's poor reputation for half shafts I 
was wondering whether it was adviseable to replace the half shafts & 
drive flanges.

Any thoughts? 
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Tony Chapman
HAWTEC                   Tel: +44 (0)1905 723200
Haswell House            Fax: +44 (0)1905 613338
Saint Nicholas Street    Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk

Date: 08/25/95
Time: 20:52:04

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:46:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions

>in addition to Rovers, the FJ80 Land Cruiser or a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I
like the Jeep on-road, it has a good offroad reputation, but it is not very
roomy and the reliability reputation is iffy.

Just a comment on the Jeep GC (I almost bought one.  bought a '89 RR
instead).  They are powerful, comfortable and pretty sleek, but they have two
serious drawbacks.  1)  They are Chryslers.  My previous car was a LeBaron
convert, and while that car was also "powerful, comfortable and pretty
sleek", a lot of it was just good showmanship.  A lot of the LeBaron parts
are on the GC, and much of the rest of the car is recognizably similar.
 Finishes wore quickly.  Seats broke down, etc.  The LeBaron was fun, but it
went from "show room" to "shoddy" pretty quickly.  2)  The GC has a unitized
body (no frame).  This gives the GC a lower entry for the Country Club set
while still maintaining adequate ground clearance, but it is not sutable for
any serious, long-term off-roading.  The other VERY serious ramification of
this is (I found this out from an automotive engineer) that the chassis of
the GC was too big to fit on any of Chrysler's unibody stamping machines.  It
is made from two sections, welded horizontally across the undercarraige.
 This creates a point of serious structural weakness at a key point, and,
because of the overlapped sheet metal at the weld, an area that is very
susceptible to corosion.

In the end, my estimation was that a new GC would be a fun car for a few
years, and then it would be on to something else.  I opted for the '89 RR,
and since my other car is a '70 88" (I'm the original owner) with 330,000
miles on it, I felt much better for having turned down a pretty face for the
soul & character of the real thing.

Tony

-.

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 15:39:59 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: To rebuild or not . . . .

 Alex beams, deciding not to ship his Rover to the US,

>Much as I'd love to . . .sorry - the general response to my query was
>'rebuild it'.

 Sure, what do you expect?  The choice between restoring and crushing
 is obvious; besides, they'd like to see you in the mess they're in!
 (He, he)  Ever hear of the saying, 'Misery loves company'?

 Seriously though, did you see the article in LR World, June '95??
 Show's a 16 year old girl doing a frame-up restoration!  (Nice lookin'
 too, got a boyfriend who must be a whimp or he'd be there helpin' 'er!)
 If this little girl, er... lady can do it, so can you, or I for that
 matter, so can I.  Ohh, Ruuumpooole... where aaaree yooouuu?

 Michael Carradine         ?           '65 IIA 88" 'Rumpole of the Bay' at
 cs@crl.com                _\    __      http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
                          [__[__]__]
 _________________________(o)___(o)_______________________________________

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 16:19:31 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: D90 seats in series LR

Just went window shopping at my local Land Rover dealers.  I couldn't help but 
notice that the D90 seats have nice lumbar support and better cushening.  Upon 
closer inspection, they look like a bolt in fit on a series Land Rover.

The thing that excited me the most was that the seat slides back so that the 
back is about two inches farther back than the back of a series seat.  Putting a
D90 seat in a series car looks like a way top get more leg room, better back 
support and better cushening.

I need to check this one out more.

TeriAnn

See whoever in Portland, OR. this upcoming weekend and others at Palo Alto CA 
the following weekend at the respective all British car meets

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:12:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Catherine McClelland <tina@synapse.net>
Subject: SII horn

My husband & I have just spent the better part of the day wiring new signal
lights, parking lights and horn on our 1959 Series II.  He's mechanical  - I
stood around with the wire brush and hung on to tricky bolts when we put the
fenders back on.  
What a job.
My question is:  The old - original I presume - horn does not work.  He put
in in the garbage.  I said  wait a minute - Are there crazy people out there
who would like an original horn to tinker around with.  The same goes for
other original parts which we end up replacing. When do you throw things out
and when do you put them on a shelf in your garage "just in case."

catherine mcclelland 

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:19:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Magnet <magnet@io.org>
Subject: LR SIII Spotted 4sale

In case anyone around the S. Ontario area is looking for a Land Rover, I 
spotted one today on Highway 5, about 1 mile west of Hwy. 25, but before 
Appleby Line, on the north side of the road.  I'm not an expert on LRs by 
any means,  but i think it's a Series III (a)? with the headlamps in the 
front wings, not the grille.  Looked like an 88, and in pretty good shape.

I'd rather like it myself, but my wife says three Rovers are enough for 
anybody.

                                   Cheers,
                                         -- Bill

1987 825Si --------   1959 "90"  --------- 1993 Range Rover
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Bill Daddis -- Aurora, Ontario, Canada -- magnet@io.org
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Subject: Possible Defective Genuine Fuel Pump Rebuilt Kits
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 17:33:20 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	I was getting some parts on Friday and looked at the 2.25 L petrol
fuel pump rebuild kits (I'm still driving on a field repair 10,000+ miles later.
I have a spare, but I want to see how long the field repair lasts).  Anyway
from looking at the rebuild kits, it looks like the rods were installed on the 
wrong side of the diaphram.

ASCII art:

The way it should be (a return spring fits in the collar):

         _______
        /       \
 ===========|===========  Diaphram
       |----|----|
       |    |    | <------Collar
            |
            |      <------rod

These Genuine Parts Kits:

       |         | <------Collar
       |---- ----|
 ===========|===========  Diaphram
        \___|___/
            |      
            |      <------rod

	This different assmebly might work, but I don't trust the spring to
stay in place with out the collar.  I looked and this wasn't just one defect
kit.  Every kit was assembled this way.  My advise is if you are rebuilding 
your fuel pump, make sure that the replacement part is constructed identically
to the part that it replaces.

Disclaimer:  I don't work for any of the vendors and am only reporting what I 
             saw with my own two eyes.  I dunno if OEM/aftermarket parts are 
             similarly mis-constructed.

Ben

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 17:38:00 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: SII horn

 Catherine McClelland <tina@synapse.net> ponders tossing 'old' LR parts,

>When do you throw things out
>and when do you put them on a shelf in your garage "just in case."

 Seems like a crying need to establish a respository database of 'old'
 parts...  perfect for the Internet in the information age.

 Michael Carradine         ?           '65 IIA 88" 'Rumpole of the Bay' at
 cs@crl.com                _\    __      http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
                          [__[__[__]
 _________________________(o)___(o)_______________________________________

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Subject: Re: SII horn 
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 17:49:02 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Catherine McClelland wrote:

> When do you throw things out
> and when do you put them on a shelf in your garage "just in case."

	It depends upon if they have any life left in them.  Parts that are
fatally broken end up in a box in my garage.  They end up being hauled out
for the "I had this piece break...." discussions.  Stuff that I replace, but
still have a few miles left in them end up in the parts bin that I take on long
trips.  (I can't afford to buy new spares of everything)  I even have some old
snapped half shafts in the garage.  They were handy when I needed to move a
2.25L lump out of the back of the Rover.  
	I only throw things out if they have absolutly no redeaming value.

Ben

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 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:48:59 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Movies

There was a 109" Safari in The Specialist, they blew it up in the
first scene! (Why does that seem to happen so often to old LRs in
the movies?).

Also, one of the later James Bond films had what looked like 
disguised 88s or 90s driven by the baddies. Can't remember the
name of the film - it was the one where he dangles out of the
Hercules at the end.

All electric winches are for wimps - try a hand winch.
(Real masochists can use a Hi-lift jack and a couple of lengths
of chain.)

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 19:58:11 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Series stuff for sale

I have a couple of tools left from the days of my Ser IIa which I  
cannot use on my Disco. 

These are 1 )neon timing light, 

2)  dwell meter for setting points
3) piston ring compressor, band type blued steel, hex key operated
They are good quality but not fancy tools and I think I have the  
instructions for both. 30.00 for all plus postage ( a guess depending  
where you live) should do it. e-mail me, John Friedman

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Date: 27 Aug 95 22:02:50 EDT
From: compuserve <72647.2641@compuserve.com>
Subject: Insurance

I know this isn't a subject brought up here very often but what is the average
liability only insurance rate for an under 25 male?

                    Thanks,
                     Will Cantrell

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 19:23:15 PDT
Subject: Re: BSROA

The BSROA Rovers on the Green 2 went off today in a rather steady rain. But 
kudos to all who *braved* the foul weather to bring out 35 Rovers! Vehicles up 
15 from last year. A good mix - a good contingent of series cars - ex-NATO 
109, lightweight, several 2As, ser 3, a 109 Chevy hybrid. Coupla Range Rovers 
including a Hunter, several Discos, a 110, and *nine* Defender 90s including a 
1994 D90 aluminum hardtop belonging to Chris Velonis. A pleasant surprise was 
the attendance of two P6Bs - a 2000TC and a very pretty 3500S along with a 
1962 3.0 Ltr. Mk2! Half of the $5.00/car admission was donated to the Museum 
of Transportation and the balance used to offset the prizes awarded which 
included a Land Rover duffel bag and Range Rover umbrella.

The scavenger hunt was designed to get people inside the museum and look for 
clues among the celebrity car exhibit currently on display! The feely-meely 
*and* the scavenger hunt was won by Tracy Hill - one of our most recent 
members!! Congrats!

Planning well under way for the BSROA Fall Heritage event - this year in a new 
venue at Brodie Mountain/Jimminy Peak near Pittsfield, MA. This site was 
pre-run last weekend by several members who waxed poetic about the great 
off-roading there. Vendor representatives expected to be in attendance. 

Between now and then, we plan to attend the British Invasion at Stowe, VT on 
9/15-16. Anyone interested in joining a convoy and/or information on the event 
itself can contact me directly.

cheerz
Jim - diagnosed with metastatic Rovernoma

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C Diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Jefferies CT Discovery world tour
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:37:34 -0600 (MDT)

For those of you who are tracking their whereabouts and progress, Mark 
and Lindsay Jefferies in their 1993 Camel Trophy Discovery (England) were 
at the latter part of the US National Rally in Breckinridge, colorado, 
2 weeks ago.  Early last week they were in Denver, and have presumably 
headed further east by now.  I don;t know their itinerary.

They were quite impressed with the old Series culture in the US, very 
different from the UK where the vehicles are more prevalent.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA
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Subject: Re: Insurance 
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 19:40:19 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Will Cantrell wrote,

> I know this isn't a subject brought up here very often but what is the averag
> liability only insurance rate for an under 25 male?

	I don't think there is an average.  It highly depends upon where you
are.  When I had a Datsun 510 in Pasadena, CA  (single, under 25 male, at
college, not parked in a garage, clean record, 100/300k I think) the insurance 
company wanted $2,700 in addition to what what my parents were paying when I
lived at home in Northern NJ.

	Right now I'm classed as a under 25, single male, clean record,
garaged car, SIII 88, in Ridgecrest, CA (the desert) with only liability 
coverage (I think with 100/300k right now) and I'm paying $404 per year 
(Liberty Mutual Fire Insurance Company btw).

	Just so you at least one data point...

Ben

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 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Need Rover information
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:48:56 -0600 (MDT)

Chen Ming Kuo asks about a Rover car list.

This one is fairly new:

rovernet on majordomo@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:14:41 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re:SPOTS

Well, as far as SPOTS go, so far I've come across a few trivial things 
(electric pumps with all connections at the highest point in the line 
above the engine and manifolds comes to mind), some, I admit, I'd even 
try myself in a pinch, but the King of Them All has to be:

1. Carefully remove the rear cover from the transfer case as if to 
install an overdrive.
2. Decide not to buy and install an overdrive.
3. Decide not to reinstall the mainshaft castle nut and lockwasher.
4. Decide to use a standard rectangular nut (non-castlated) from the 
local hardware store.
5. Carefully replace the cover, conscienciously applying extra torque 
since it's a bit harder to seal because the local hardware nut is a bit 
bigger (although significantly cheaper) than that silly castle nut you 
can't grip with your spanner.
6. Content with your handiwork and savings (as much as $5) engage the 
gears and run them for a while to grind the hardware nut into a form 
closely, but not quite exactly, resembling the proper castle nut.
7. While running the gears ignore the grinding from the mainshaft 
bearing housing being driven forward into the primary pinion, the 
consequent rattle of loose roller bearings, and contentedly accept the 
snap sound from the vicinity layshaft distance piece emitted as it 
proceeds to tear itself into 3 new components, similar to but not the 
same as replacement Genuine Parts.

 - All is well with the world, you've saved $5 and even better now have 
a spare rear mainshaft castle nut in case your transmission ever breaks 
and you have to work on it :)

Cheers,

Jeremy Bartlett
D90 '94 Samson
SIIA 109 SW Mathilda  (now recovering in my shelter for abused LRs)

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:46:50 -0700
From: justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald)
Subject: Re: Southern Words (was 34,000 parts)

Michael Carradine wrote:
|TODAY'S SOUTHERN WORD OF THE DAY
|--------------------------------
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
| Usage: "If my brother from Jawjuh doesn't change the all in my
|         pickup truck, that things gonna catch far."

Shouldn't that be "pick-'em-up" as in "My pick-em-up's got a hitch in the
git-along"?

Fred
-70 LR IIA 88" (for sale)
-67 LR IIA 109" SW (for sale)
-65 LR IIA 109" PU
-90 Audi 90 Quattro

Fred Heald                                      justfred@netcom.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:46:44 -0700
From: justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald)
Subject: Re: SPOTs

Alan Richer wrote:
|Here's a topic for conversation: Stupid Previous Owner Tricks,
|or SPOTs. What's the wost thing any of you ever ran into on your
|Rovers that was done by a previous owner?
|   Any more? -Alan

On my '88, they had rebuilt the engine but forgot to put back the rear main
oil seal.  Ran fine for a few years that way, though when I parked on a
hill pointed upward I'd get a puddle.

-88----89----90----91----92----93----94----95------
70 Land Rover 88"--(restoration)-------------------(For Sale)
      84 Range Rover--(rolled)-
                               ^engine dropped a piston
                                in Utah desert
                 1/2 LR 109" (rest.)
                  67 Land Rover 109" Station Wagon-(For Sale)
                                      65 LR 109"-------+
                                            Audi 90Q20V

Fred Heald                                      justfred@netcom.com
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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 01:15:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SII horn

Catherine asks...

>  When do you throw things out and when do you put them on a shelf in
>  your garage "just in case."
/

To toss, or not to toss! Well... I hardly ever throw anything out, unless it
is absolutely useless.. Take for instance the brake drum that had split.
Worthless? No way.. I use it when I have to replace wheel bearings. Holds
the hub very well, thank you. Got a couple of boxes of old wheel cylinders.
Ya never know when one might be needed. Hey, I even have parts that other
people were going to toss out. Yup, it's a mess here...

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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