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From: Randy Rose <rsrose@cco.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: 26 Aug 1995 07:59:13 GMT

Dixon writes:

 14 parts.  Nice...  I have 34,000 sitting on my hard drive here...

Well, cough 'em up.  Bragging will get you nowhere with this group!

And for SPOTS:

Cut the entire series Land-Rover in half at the 1/4 roll in the body 

Was affectionately known as Frankenstein, until its demise as a parts 
truck.  All parts coming from Frankenstein were easily identified -- the 
truck was dipped in grey primer!

Randy
'57 107 Station Wagon

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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 01:00:36 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: File attachments

> Please forgive my ignorance, but I've been out of town for a couple of
> weeks and apparently missed the brief.  What is in the mime attachments to 
> the lro digest and what Rosetta stone do I need to translate them?

I think that the technical wizards (the same guys that do the commercials?) at 
AOL decided to add MIME support.  And screwed it up.  Doesn't surprise me.  

FYI, Compuserve has lowered their prices to match that of AOL.  They also 
offer, however, a lot more added benefits.  (like, if you're into collecting 
U.S. Large Cents, or U.S. Colonials, you need to be on CIS; both EAC & C4 are 
there.  Lots of other groups are on CIS too.)

CIS Also has the advantage that you don't have to use their software.  So if 
you get tired of not being able to just click a button to add someone's 
address to your address book (which you can't do with AOL's software (Mac)), 
you can switch to any of dozens of other programs.  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 01:00:52 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: SPOTs

How about these... 

Manual Fuel Pump dies, so install an electric one.  Leave the Manual pump 
in-line.  Sell the vehicle to Uncle Roger.  Manual Fuel Pump starts working 
again.  Gas everywhere.  Nasty lady on the off-ramp in a beemer.

Fix hole in footwell with...  An old license plate.

Put hole in top of dash above the panel.  Strategically place spare change on 
top of dash poised to fall in, right on top of ignition switch.  Short out 
everything.  Roger's coin collection gets a $237 nickel.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 01:00:44 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Codes query

> I am in the process of computerising the stock information of our
[...]
> Does anyone know whether this information can be downloaded/obtained from
> anywhere.

I would love to get the LR parts numbers and such on disk!  It would be better 
than carrying the parts manual around (since I almost always carry my laptop 
with me.)

So if anyone knows of a source...  Heck, I'd even be willing to pay for it!

Should we be working on a Land Rover CD-ROM?

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: many..
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 22:24:06 +1000 (EST)

Hello all,
I've been watching silently for a while, so in no particular order, and 
with no names for them, some replys:

##*$%&! PO tricks...: Trailer wiring, strip a bit of the main loom, then 
wrap trailer wiring extention around it, repeat. Wrap loosely in tape, 
then stuff resulting mess through a panel hole behind the LH rear corner 
panel to stop it from hanging out. Insert several thousand offroad Kms 
then try to figure out where the hot plastic smell comes from whenever 
lights are on. 77's have only -count em- _3_ main fuses for the whole 
car, @30 amps each... hmmm that 8 foot length of wire to the back of the 
car must be less than the equivalent of a 30A fuse! Frame hole edges cut 
thru tail light wiring insulation and shorted every so often. Eventually 
smoked the insulation completely (melted to other wires in loom, neatly 
hot knifed the loom wrapping open). Replace the wire I hear u say.. I 
did, but that wire goes (in a loom, now remade) from the LH corner of the 
underside of the dash, up the pillar, inside the roof liner, down the 
rear pillar, thru a panel grommet, to LH tail lamp assy, (and new Brian 
Built trailer wiring harness)then across under rear to RH tail lamp assy.

My favourite RRover traits: Two things, Joe Lucas and wimpy diffs/axles!

I tired of my "Random Engine Disable system- RED (C)Lucas" (RED is the 
colour of my face when showing off my then recent purchase to friends and 
having the thing stop when it felt the time was right). The engine 
ignition wiring is now completely new, 4 major faults with old system 
fixed in succession in the process. New wiring bug hit me, so the 
headlight wiring scheme was next (switch melting down when hi beam in use).
What the hell- rewired the engine bay, sealed quick open instrument box 
now holds HD relays for H beams, L beams, Fogs, Spots, Air horns, and 
quality fuses for each. Setup is fed direct from Bosch 80A alternator 
charge terminal via THICK cable (actually Monster audio speaker cable, 
nice +thick +flexible). Lights are then fed via new HD looms for each 
circuit, with ground returns. New 140/100 W lamps in my Hella inserts, 
and presto I can see! (No fires either!) Existing circuit looms were used 
only to carry switching current for relays. Just the addition of relays 
and the larger wiring makes a VERY noticable difference. The voltage drop 
across the wiring loom to and from the light switch is eliminated, and 
the large wiring and relay has very low resistance. I would not recommend 
using lamps of larger than the orig (55/60W I think) in an early RR 
unless some form of current switch such as a relay is employed... with a 
FUSE!
Well, that's the engine bay and the area rear of the dash rewired... just 
the dash to come... A decent fuse panel and neat, no bird's nest loom 
coming soon, watch this space. As previously posted, the dash layout is a 
little different to the orig, and I have more additions to make before 
the final loom is set up (anyone got a heated RR windscreen for the 
models with a rubber still holding it in?).
Diffs and Axles... see previous woes/whinges.

Engine running on two: Maybe sounds too obvious for words, but are the 
leads in the correct firing order.. seen it many times, even done it myself.
Also double check timing, then if no luck, plugs, leads, valve timing, 
clearences etc.

Gaiters: Did anyone ever get around to a gaiter pattern in some form or 
other? I would like to make some soon.

EFI stuff: I have managed to convince my dept. at uni to let me do an 18 
month project on EFI ....yep on my new 5litre to be RR engine...Tee Hee, 
time on a dyno to play with it b4 going into the car!

Winch is all reco'd and shiny, awaiting time to install. Still searching 
for a PTO for an early RR 4speed. Anybody got one?

Saw a Large 4 door RR today, 33" Mud terrains, 4" body lift, raised 
springs, cut and flared guards etc.... BIG.

BTW what about the RRs driven by the baddies in Die Hard (2 I think).

seeya 

BT 
77 RR

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 10:53:34 -0400
Subject: Pacific Northwest connections

My younger brother has become interested in finding a Land Rover after
visiting me and my 88 SIIa.  However, he is as unfamiliar as many of us were
when we first became interested.  I am looking for the names of anyone in the
Seatle, WA area.  He is looking for one to function as a second car however,
he would like to find one in good running condition.

Any names with e-mail addresses would be appreciated
Thanks

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, Maryland, USA 21020
(410) 429-4964
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 11:40:14 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest�ˆ

In a message dated 95-08-26 04:37:38 EDT, yChris  Wrote:

>Here's the problem: engine runs very rough. Putt, Putt exhaust sound. When
>I pull the plug wires from three and four there is no drop in rpms (they
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Any and all ideas will be accepted. Got the folks at Rover's North Stumped.
>Chris Stevens                   1969 88" IIA SW 2.25

Hi Chris,
A way to check the rollers in the lifter/cam follower for roundness before
dismantling the head may wirk for you.
Check each of the valves in questionable cylinders for adjustment three times
in a row. In other words turn the engine just enough to get to the next time
it opens. If the clearance changes noticeably, then likely the roller is out
of round. The circumfrence is enough that the roller takes about one
revolution for three openings.If you adjust it at the loose turn,it will be
too tight on other turns,then you get the putt out the tailpipe.
If the roller is out of round the cam must be checked closely.
If the roller bound or stuck for a time, the roller and cam lobe will be
scuffed.
Hope this helps a little

Bob Bernard

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:23:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SPOTs

> Fix hole in footwell with...  An old license plate.

/

Oh come on... we've ALL done that at one time or another. In fact, I've used
the following items - steel stovepipe, plywood and a "NO SWIMMING" sign.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:31:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Codes query

On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, Roger Sinasohn wrote:

> I would love to get the LR parts numbers and such on disk!  It would be bett
> than carrying the parts manual around (since I almost always carry my laptop 
> with me.)

	It isn't that easy.  LR holds copywrite on the numbers themselves.
	If you collect stamps and are keen on it, you will probably hhave
	heard of the lawsuits that Scott pursued to protect their numbering
	system.  Unfortunately, they were fairly successful.  If LR wants
	to say that they are copywrite, be prepared to deal with the useless
	twits.  Give it time, things will be worked out to our satisfaction.
	In the meantime, a RN catalogue is far more useful & practical

> Should we be working on a Land Rover CD-ROM?

	You need the .GIFs and database to back that up.  Again, its been
	looked at.  Stoage space is the biggest problem, but gig drives
	are getting cheap.  Programming the mess is trivial...

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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 17:33:54 +0100
From: alex@theglebe.ftech.co.uk (Alex)
Subject: To rebuild or not . . . .

Hi all

Although this may seem like a strange request, I am looking for
some advice . . . .I have had my standard SeriesIIA (1963) SWB
for a year now & it has done me proud, travelling the length & breadth
of the UK. 

Unfortunately, disaster has struck, and the rear cross member has cracked.
Upon further examination of below, it seems the the whole chassis has, in the
past, been welded somewhat erratically.  So what it boils down to is that a
replacement chassis & bulkhead are needed for it to pass its MOT (due next
month).

Is there only one way to go about this one?  ( basically, is replacement the
cheapest way
- or should I send it to be 'recycled'?

(note: I have little experience of mechanics etc, but am willing to learn -
is this foolish
talk?)

Please reply to me directly

Alex
alex@theglebe.ftech.co.uk
PS Thanks for all who posted replies back about the stock code query. I am
still investigating the ways around that one!!

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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:18:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Cold weather starting

While in my local UAP/NAPA store this morning I noticed something new at 
least to me.  They now sell a 0-W-30 oil!  I have never seen a 0 weight 
oil anywhere else.  I don't really know what those numbers mean but maybe 
water is 0 and everything after that in thickness is a certain % above 
water or something like that.  The main point is that at -40 C it would 
be nice to have some 0 friction coefficient oil in the pan.  Has anyone 
ever tried this stuff?  Dave VE4PN

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Subject: hub capstan winches
From: paul@frcs.alt.za (Paul Nash)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:49:23 +1000

All this talk of receiver-mounted winches vs. bull-bar-mounted vs.
chassis mounted vs. ... makes me wonder:  what ever happened to the
old-fashioned hub capstan winch?

This is an extremely elegant solution -- something like a wide brake
drum bolted onto the outside of the wheel (like the step on an 109FC).
You bolt one to each rear wheel, fasten a rope to each capstan, and
pull yourself out as the rope winds around the capstan.

This isn't as macho as a $5,000 lump of machinery bolted onto the front
bumper, but is has most of the advantages of a PTO winch, and is cheap 
and light.  It's easier with a (gasp!) VW, where the wheels are held on
by bolts, as you can use longer bolts to get through the extra metal of
the capstan, but it shouldn't be too difficult to make something that
doesn't use up too much thread of the wheel studs.

	paul
--
   Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>       turbo-nerd & all-round nice guy
       14/114 Blamey Cres, Campbell, Canberra ACT 2601, AUSTRALIA

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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:12:31 -0800
From: greg@triteal.com (Greg White)
Subject: Recomendations on Generators/Alternators + Electrics

Okay, wizards of experience, what should I do?

I am restoring a 1965 Series II 88 Diesel Truck, what are the best options
for the Land  Rover's Charging circuits?

        Should I install the stock generator/regulator?

        Upgrade to a Land Rover Alternator?

        Use a different alternator?

Someone had rather crudely installed an old Delco alternator on my truck, I
am game to start over, but would like to hear of your experience.  If you
went to a specific source, who was it, how much did it cost, etc.

I have just ordered a replacement wiring harness, what impact does using an
alternator have?

Lastly, Diesel owners, what Battery/Battery combo will work best for my
unit.  What size 12 volt battery is neccessary to replace the twin 6 volt
batteries?

Your advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Greg

1965 Series II

1990 Range Rover

Gregory Jay White                         (619) 930-2077 Phone, EXT 5515
TriTeal Corporation                       (619) 930-2081 FAX
2011 Palomar Airport Road, Suite 200      EMAIL: greg.white@triteal.com
Carlsbad, CA  92009-1431                  WWW:    http://www.triteal.com/

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Rover survival kit
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 17:58:32 -0600 (MDT)

I just got a Brigade Quartermaster catalog (one of those questionable 
outfits that sells you everything you need to assault your neighbour, as 
well as defend yourself against assault...) and it features in its wares the:

ROVER 01 OUTDOOR SUPPORT PACKAGE

It has no connection with Land Rover, but features a vehicle on the box 
cover that by a big stretch of the imagination could pass for a Defender.

The 11x6x2 box (4lbs) fits under car seat and contains over 25 emergency 
food, water, shelter and medical supplies.  The food and water are 
guaranteed to retain freshness for 5 years.  $20

Brigade QM
1025 Cobb International Blvd
Kennesaw, GA 30152-4300

Survival kits are pretty handy item to have around, so why not make it a 
Rover survival kit.  (This is not an advertisement, just a Rover public 
service announcement.)

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA
(NEW HOME PAGE LOCATION:  please update your links and bookmarks)

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Subject: Re: Codes query 
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 18:18:32 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199508260803.DAA11771@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:

> I would love to get the LR parts numbers and such on disk!  It would be bette
> than carrying the parts manual around (since I almost always carry my laptop 
> with me.)
> So if anyone knows of a source...  Heck, I'd even be willing to pay for it!
> Should we be working on a Land Rover CD-ROM?

	At Owls Head I asked Mark Leotourney of Rovers North if he would put
out a WWW catalog with part numbers.  He informed me that he has posed such
a question to LR and they informed him that the LR parts numbers were 
proprietory and were *NOT* to be put out in electronic form.  I dunno if
they can legally get away with this or not, but if you put such a list
together, you might find yourself in some legal warm water.

	Also from looking at the Rover Export Price list (from memory
here folks, I don't have a copy), It was 3/4 of an inch thick and each
page had 4 or 5 columns of maybe 50 to 75 numbers.  So 50*4 is 200/page times
many thin pages would be a lot of disk space.  Of courese this covers all
Land Rover parts and it was unclear which was LR, Defender, RR or Disco.

Benjamin Smith
bens@vislab.navy.mil
1972 Land Rover SIII 88
e 

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From: "Prof." <ckuo@hp52.civil.ncku.edu.tw>
Subject: Need Rover information
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 10:09:37 EAT

  I know this might be the right place
  to ask for Rover information, but it
  is the closest group I can find talking
  about Rover.

  I am going to buy a Rover 620 or Rover 827.
  But very few people in Taiwan drive Rover
  and this makes my family hesitating because
  we have no way to access the reliability
  record of Rover.  Is there anybody in this
  group know about not only Land Rover but
  also Rover ?  I appreciate your valuable
  information !

  Thanks a lot !

  Chen-Ming Kuo
  Associate professor of civil engineering
  National Cheng Kung University
  Taiwan

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From: LAW142@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:40:05 -0400
Subject: IMPORTING A LR TO THE US

I'm a new LR owner and new to the LR Net.  I noticed that many of you all had
questions concerning importation of LRs into the  US.  I imported my 1969
Series IIA 109 Safari this past may with out the help (or expense) of an
importer.  There is  quite a bit of research to this but is actually very
easy.  If you have questions please don't hesitate to ask.  I now know most
of the regulations concerning importing vehicles.

I could use some help in getting information concerning the article on how to
build your own snorkle from  a back issue of LRW.

Does any body know where I can get a Camel Trophy sticker for my LR and a
patch?

Does any body in central Texas own a Series Land Rover?  I live in Austin,
Texas and have only seen 1 Series II  109 around.

Thanks for your help.

Karl Young II

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