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1 Randy Rose [rsrose@cco.c28Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
2 TONY YATES [tonyy@waalp26Hot carbies
3 Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar25 Re: Celluloid (was RE: wwwebery)
4 Cliff Kavanaugh [76262.11'88RR Trailer Harness Wiring
5 alex@theglebe.ftech.co.u19Codes query
6 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.42winch, bushes
7 Andrew Grafton [A.J.Graf43Re : winch, bushes
8 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A17Re: More on the lights... and an idea
9 Gary Mitchelson [garym@c17[not specified]
10 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D15Filums
11 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE45 Re :bushes
12 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000429Re: Starting problems
13 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE30 Re:SPOTS
14 "David McKain" [MCKAIN@c33 SPOT's
15 terje@tvnorge.no (Terje 27Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
16 hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.co14Discovery Oil Filters
17 Andrew Grafton [A.J.Graf19Re : neverseeze
18 "Doug Sackinger" [DOUG@K34 Squint like Clint
19 Andrew Grafton [A.J.Graf37SPOTS
20 Guy Arnold [GUY@facade.a43New Springs
21 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000446LR sighting in Disneyland!
22 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu33SPOTS
23 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em41Re: SPOTS
24 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 27Parts from the UK
25 Kirk Kenyon [kpk@imatron55Bike racks
26 matts@caciasl.com (Matt 56Re: bike racks and LRs
27 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc9Disco/Range Rover trailer wiring
28 GElam30092@aol.com 35Just musings
29 "Soren Vels Christensen"24Re: Celluloid
30 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak12Re: SPOTS
31 rnewell@dircon.co.uk (Ru13SIII pulling to left on braking
32 growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.S36Re: New Springs
33 dimitry@uask4it.Eng.Sun.53Newbie Questions
34 hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.co20Another Movie Sighting
35 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc9Disco/Range Rover trailer wiring (fwd)
36 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc9Disco/Range Rover trailer wiring
37 "Sean McInerney" [smcine34IRONY
38 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr28Series LR Aftermarket Brakes and Parts List
39 matts@caciasl.com (Matt 62Re: Discovery Trailer Wiring
40 JCassidyiv@aol.com 12Getting half of digest
41 rover@pinn.net (Alexande15Movies
42 rmodica@east.pima.edu 136LR movies
43 LANDROVER@delphi.com 33Re: Re : winch, bushes
44 JCassidyiv@aol.com 26Need Advice
45 brian.imdieke@iotp.com (29[not specified]
46 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu51Re: SPOTS
47 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em20Re: Series LR Aftermarket Brakes and Parts List
48 Peter Kutschera [peter@z30More SPOTs (Stupid Previous Owner Tricks)
49 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr53OVLR Newsletter (Was: Series LR Aftermarket Brakes and Parts List)
50 Peter Kutschera [peter@z15Re: SIII pulling to left on braking
51 Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar24 Re: SIII pulling to left on braking


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From: Randy Rose <rsrose@cco.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: 24 Aug 1995 08:14:49 GMT

Tony Chapman asks about hard starting:

The best suggestion at the moment is that while it is standing the
fuel in the carburettor is vapourising, causing delayed starting.
We have had unusually high temperatures (high 80's F)in the UK over
the last few weeks.  I was wondering if anybody in some of the
hotter parts of the world had similar problems, or is this not a
problem on the L/R?

What Ho! What wonderful winter weather.  It seem to depend on the carb.  
80 deg is not enough to cause apperciable boiling of gas.  104 is!  Even 
then starting usually is a few extra turns.  But it's hard to guess if 
this week's hard starting is due to temp or other of the latest 
reformulation of fuel.  Really, as the temp goes up, run on gets worse, 
and is seems if you let it run on at all, starting is a bit harder.  I'm 
running a Rochester carb., timing 3 deg., 7 to 1 Series II engine.  
Perhaps the low compression helps.

Randy
Los Angeles
  But then there's Ben and Kelly in and near Ridgecrest, getting close to 
  Death Valley.

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:00:21 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Hot carbies

Regarding starting problems in hot weather - yup i have had the
same thing with two vehicles, the first a '79 Range Rover with
automatic chokes. After replacing the carbies the problem seemed to 
go away. My current vehicle, an '85 110 V8 also does it but only
after a long run. Interestingly it does it whether running on petrol
or LPG. Generally I just park on a slope (which can sometimes be
hard to find in inland Western Australia!).

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:49:42 +0000
Subject:       Re: Celluloid (was RE: wwwebery)

On 23 Aug 95, Soren Vels Christensen wrote:

> # %T Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion.
>   Is that a movie that Daktari is derived from?

Yes

>   I remember having seen a Clint Eastwood film where he is a movie
>   director filming in Africa, but only has time to drive around in
>   Landies and hunt elephants. Is that one of those below?. If not, i'm
Isn't it "White Hunter, Black Heart"?

>   sorry that i can't provide a title. (And i can't get used to Clint
>   speaking German with his mouth closed).
Arn't you getting confused with the sound dubbing for "Emannuelle in Africa"?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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Date: 24 Aug 95 05:58:37 EDT
From: Cliff  Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com>
Subject: '88RR Trailer Harness Wiring

Matt please send info concerning which wires should be connected where on
trailer harness.  Who did you buy the trailer harness kit from?  Cheers Cliff
Kavanaugh.
 76262.1154@compuserve.com
 306 Clydesdale CT, Spotsylvania,Va 22553
 1988 RR

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:24:50 +0100
From: alex@theglebe.ftech.co.uk (Alex)
Subject: Codes query

I am in the process of computerising the stock information of our
Landrover workshop, and the quantity & variety of stock codes I need
to create (one for each bit of all types of L/R,R/R, (both official L/R
parts & generic) down to the last nuts & bolts) has me filled with despair. 

Does anyone know whether this information can be downloaded/obtained from
anywhere.

Please reply directly to me.
Thanks

Alex

alex@theglebe.ftech.co.uk

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:29:18 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: winch, bushes

What on earth is a "receiver mounted winch" plsz.

The chassis spring-bushes (S1-S3) can easily be removed by hack-sawing through
them (pass blade through bush-hole). Once cut length wise they push out easily.
If the bolt is seized in the bush I guess one could destroy the rubber
by various means! (Use copper-coat on bolt on reassembly.)
Getting the new [standard] bushes in is "another matter".
I used various high-tensile bolts, washers and spacers to pull them in.

What was the Clint Eastwood L-R movie, anyone ???

Mime - acronym derived from media, exchange, information, ..., blah
Mime attachments are a set of codes that identify various sorts of data
eg. gif, jpeg (images);  au (sound);  mpg (movie); ...
There is a file (.mailcap on Unix) to map the mime type onto a program
capable of interpreting the data,  Netscape for example fires up the
appropriate program to deal with an mpeg by looking in this file:
e.g. image/jpeg; xv %s
     image/jpg;  xv %s
     image/tiff; xv %s
     image/rgb;  xv %s
     image/gif;  xv %s
     video/mpeg; mpeg_play %s
     video/mpg;  mpeg_play %s
     video/*; xanim +Ae +CF4 +Sr %s
     audio/x-aiff; playaiff %s
     audio/x-aifc; sfplay %s
     audio/basic;  sfplay %s
     audio/x-mpeg; maplay -; stream-buffer-size=2000
     application/postscript; ghostview -notitle -nodate -nolocator -magstep 0 -a4 %s
I think the name mailcap comes from "multi-media" mailers that first
used this idea.

Lloyd
Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA
tel: 61 3 9905 5205      fax: 61 3 9905 5146      email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au
<A HREF="http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/">Land-Rover</A>

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re : winch, bushes
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 12:31:16 BST

> What on earth is a "receiver mounted winch" plsz.

No idea!

> The chassis spring-bushes (S1-S3) can easily be removed by hack-sawing through
 them (pass blade through bush-hole). Once cut length wise they push out easily.
> If the bolt is seized in the bush I guess one could destroy the rubber
 by various means! (Use copper-coat on bolt on reassembly.)
> Getting the new [standard] bushes in is "another matter".
 I used various high-tensile bolts, washers and spacers to pull them in.

Aaargh!  "easily removed", he says ;-) 
Spring bushes and rear chassis bushes, OK - hacksaw
and chisel/drift is fine.  Front bushes...  maybe I have just been unlucky
but those buggers can be seriously cold-welded into the chassis.

It *is* possible to get them out by manual means  :-)  - it took six
hours and 3 chisels to do one of ours (a mere 18 years old).  That was
after putting four full depth/length cuts in the bush outer with a hacksaw 
and burning off all the rubber with a propane torch.  After that,
we resorted to an air chisel and oxy/acetylene, which made the job easier
but still not a cinch.  I echo comments about the need for high-tensile
bolts and *hard* washers to put the new ones in! 

Delicate filing with an angle grinder removed the bush inner metal
tube from the shackle bolts, where they had siezed solid....

Is there something wrong with my technique here, or do other people have
problems with front chassis bushes?!

One little point is that the Copper Ease we have been using washes out.
Next time I'm going to use boat grease for suspension reassembly.

All the best,

Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 24 Aug 95  7:31:22 EDT
Subject: Re: More on the lights... and an idea

Yes, we were dealing with a hacked panel. Thanks for the help,
one and all! I'd never get this beast on the road again otherwise.

Here's a topic for conversation: Stupid Previous Owner Tricks,
or SPOTs. What's the wost thing any of you ever ran into on your
Rovers that was done by a previous owner?

I think my least-favorite was finding the Bondo in the frame
rails on my 109, back at the spring mounts...brrrrr!

   Any more? -Alan

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Subject: Discovery oil filter
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 07:41:07 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Has anyone found a easy to find oil filter for the Discovery in the US?
The only oil filter cross I found was Purolator, they list all the 95's, but
no one has that filter. The Purorlator crosses to a Fram HP-1 but that is
not stocked and cost $13. Per the Fram book the HP-1 can replace the FP-8a
which costs only $3

Has anyone used the 8a? I would be changing it every 3K. 
--
Gary Mitchelson                    
garym@racalrecord.com           
N3JPU             

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Filums
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 07:49:00 DST

|Soren Vels Christensen writes

|  I remember having seen a Clint Eastwood film where he is a movie director
| filming in Africa, but only has time to drive around in Landies and hunt
|  elephants. Is that one of those below?.

The movie is called White Hunter Black Heart and wasn't on the list.

Trevor Easton

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 24 Aug 1995 07:09:32 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re :bushes

Andrew Grafton writes:
Snip
> Aaargh!  "easily removed", he says ;-) 
> Spring bushes and rear chassis bushes, OK - hacksaw
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> we resorted to an air chisel and oxy/acetylene, which made the job easier
> but still not a cinch.  I echo comments about the need for high-tensile
> bolts and *hard* washers to put the new ones in! 

Snip

> Is there something wrong with my technique here, or do other people have
> problems with front chassis bushes?!

That sounds remarkably like my experience. Plus I had the additional 
pleasure of doing in in January in VT. Outdoors.
I had the local machine shop make me a couple of drivers to fit the 
bushes. They are from 1 1/2" round stock with a recess turned in the 
end that the bush fits in. Still not easy though. Then I found out 
that my frame was slightly crumpled in the area of the front bush, so 
I attributed my difficulty to that. Guess I was wrong.

The front frame bush on the 109 is longer than the others, and no-one 
had any at the time. I cut a short one in half and put a spacer 
between the two halves.

> One little point is that the Copper Ease we have been using washes out.
> Next time I'm going to use boat grease for suspension reassembly.

I'll say it again. Use NeverSeeze brand anti seeze compund. It won't 
wash out. In fact it's hard to get it off your hands if you get it on them.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: 24 Aug 95 08:01:44 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Starting problems

>> Over the past few weeks I have been having problems with starting my
>> 2286 petrol SIIA when it has been standing for more than 15 minutes.

>My SIII V8 used to give helluva trouble starting when warm when I lived in
>Alice Springs - particularly in summer when the temp. is commonly in

All very familiar. Always had this problem with the 109 in hot areas
(Mediterranean, North Africa). If I wasn't in a hurry, I simply let
it cool off with bonnet open. If I was, I first pulled the fuel line
from the carb to release vapour and pressure (no smoking, please!), put
it back on, and then got out the water can and liberally poured cool 
water over both fuel pump and carb until they didn't sizzle any more and
stayed wet. Manually primed the fuel pump, and it would start right up.
Never failed. The thermostat-controlled electric Kenlow fan I installed
later didn't completely solve the problem either, but it did improve
(the fan continues running 3-4 minutes after the engine is shut off).
Source of the problem actually is fuel expanding and evaporating in the
fuel pump, carb, and the fuel line between pump and carb. When the thus
created pressure exceeds the pressure the pump is able to deliver, fuel
pump action is neutralized and no more fuel reaches the carb. Hence, the
problem is aggravated by old fuel pumps with sloppy membranes.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 24 Aug 1995 07:20:21 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re:SPOTS

Alan Richter asks:
Snip
> Here's a topic for conversation: Stupid Previous Owner Tricks,
> or SPOTs. What's the wost thing any of you ever ran into on your
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> rails on my 109, back at the spring mounts...brrrrr!
>    Any more? -Alan

Welding the swivel pins to the top and bottom of the swivel housing.
Or was it welding the capstan winch shaft to the crank pully, which 
was done on another LR I had for awhile? Different PO's even. same 
mechanics school I guess.
Actually, this idea  might be good for a FAQ (yeah, I know it's not 
technically correct{TC?}). Certainly it would be 
things to look for when inspecting a LR. There you go. Alan's 
SPOTSFAQs.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:28:08 EDT
Subject:       SPOT's

Here are a few SPOT's for your entertainment value.

1.) Put brakes shoes on backwards? No problem, just weld a homemade 
cam onto the back of the cam adjusters so it will ride on the brake 
backing pad. Remember, the post is now sticking out on the rear brake 
shoe. Don' even ask about the springs and where they go.

2.) Hey, to prolong the life of your LR, especially the aluminum 
body, spray about 50 lbs of rustproofing around the underside.

3.) Homemade fender wells? Need I say more.

4.) Does your LR need a paint job? How about hand painting it a 
wonderful black/green camo. Better yet, use the industrial paint and 
apply it with a paint brush. Be sure to put it on extra thick over 
the bondo jobs.

and many, many more.

Take care,

David McKain
1966 SIIa Petrol
mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:37:43 +0200
From: terje@tvnorge.no (Terje Krogdahl)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>fuel in the carburettor is vapourising, causing delayed starting.
..
>the last few weeks.  I was wondering if anybody in some of the
>hotter parts of the world had similar problems, or is this not a
>problem on the L/R?

After I changed from Zenith to Weber on my SIII 88, I've often 
experienced this problem on hot, sunny days here in Norway, 
but only with the engine nice and warm.
Seems to me that if you wait 10-15 minutes before you restart there is no
problem, but before that, it can be a problem. Sometimes you cannot start, 
other times you just get a trickle of fuel through, so that it idles 
just fine, but died once you hit the pedal.

A friend of mine with the same engine/carb combination has exactly the
same problems.

TK
1972 SIII 88
http://www.tvnorge.no/~terje/index.e.hmtl

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 08:37:05 EST
Subject: Discovery Oil Filters

Have heard Fram PH-8A works fine.  Have also used the 
current Lee filter that is listed for 94 RR 3.9 on my 95 
Discovery 3.9.  I'm sure there are others, too; the hard 
part is finding a listing that specifically includes 95 
Discovery, but like I said, check under 84 RR with same 
engine.

Hank

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re : neverseeze
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 13:49:41 BST

Tom says;

> I'll say it again. Use NeverSeeze brand anti seeze compund. It won't 
> wash out. In fact it's hard to get it off your hands if you get it on them.

Anyone in the UK or US know if we can get this in the UK?

(Just for reference - I've never spotted it yet)

All the best,

Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

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From: "Doug Sackinger" <DOUG@KIWI.IUPUI.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 24 Aug 1995 07:56:31 EST
Subject:       Squint like Clint

I saw this film on TV also. 

'White Hunter, Black Heart' (1984-5 ?)

yeah, Clint Eastwood is movie director ( a la John Huston ?) on 
location in Africa and much mroe interested in drinking and shooting 
elephants than shooting the film.  At least a couple of SII 109"'s. I 
taped it so I could slo-mo and freeze frame, if only I had a 
video-capture board..... :-)

Didn't realize Clint Eastwood was such a talented ventriloquist but 
then again he is a politician, right ?  

Still lurking,

Doug 
- IIa 109 SW - in my dreams.
 - '65 Chevy 1/2-ton PU - in my garage, up on blocks :-(

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:17:07 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Celluloid (was RE: wwwebery)
  I remember having seen a Clint Eastwood film where he is a movie director
  filming in Africa, but only has time to drive around in Landies and hunt
  elephants. Is that one of those below?. If not, i'm sorry that i can't
  provide a title. (And i can't get used to Clint speaking German with his
  mouth closed).

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: SPOTS
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 14:08:42 BST

A couple more;

* Fibreglass all the way around the roof/body join to prevent leaks.
  Whitewash (no joke) the resulting mess.

* Remove roof panel above driver/passenger with jigsaw and then 
  attempt to fibreglass it back in.  Finish as above.

* Rebore one cylinder of a 4-cylinder diesel 20 thou' oversize, leaving
  the others as-is.

* Attempt to fix a halfshaft be welding the end back on with a stick welder.
  Make to fit by gratuitous application of angle grinder.

* Refit rocker assembly without making any attempt to match up the 
  tapered oil feed connections, crushing them into oblivion with 
  excessive torque on the head bolts.

* Attempt to re-pipe series water overflow tank thingy as a reservoir
  (what pressure?!)

And on a different note, my two 'favourite' Stupid Manufacturer's
Tricks;

* The Charge Light.

* The way servo-assist brakes are fitted to a SIII diesel.

All the best,

Andy

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From: Guy Arnold <GUY@facade.adm.clarkson.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:28:51 EDT
Subject: New Springs

I just purchased a set of rear springs for my 73 Series III from 
Rover's North. The "Green Machine" was squatting  like it was 
taking a pee. The new springs are identical with the same part number. 
Last night I started the job by jacking the vehicle up and supporting 
the frame and then I put jack stands under the axle. I removed the 
brackets holding the brake lines and removed the wheels for better 
access to the U-bolts. When I ordered the springs I also ordered new 
u-bolts and spring bolts. 
I then I got my torches out and cut off the U-bolts. At this point I 
realized that the gas tank would have to come off to get the front 
spring bolt out. I have the new style gas tank with the rounded shape 
and it extends down far enough that the bolt won't clear the tank. 
Taking the tank out was no problem because I had just installed it 
about a month ago. Simply unhook the fill tube, sending unit, and gas 
line plus four mounting bolts and out it came. I unscrewed the nuts 
on the spring bolts on the right side spring with alittle ( actually 
alot) of WD-40 and a few wacks with the hammer and out came the bolts 
and off came the spring. The left side was another matter. The nuts 
came off easy but the bolt would not come out. The front bolt had 
rusted to the bushing and the whole bushing was turning. I tried lots 
and lots of WD_40 and much pounding on the bolt with the biggiest 
hammer I have to no avail. The rear bolt came out of the spring 
shackle with no problem. I then decided to do what I should have done 
in the first place and that it is to use my sawsall with a hacksaw 
blade and cut the bolt on either side of the spring inside the 
hanger. Two minutes later the spring was laying on the floor. 
I took the bottom plates and the plates the brake lines bolt to and 
clean them and painted everything. I could have had everything back 
together last night but I had to wait for  the paint to dry. So 
tonight I will bolt everything back together and also put a complete 
set of new brake shoes on all around. 
I decided to put the new shoes on before going to Stowe because I 
usually go through the Notch and I didn't want to have any problems 
coming down the mountain. Especially since my wife will probably be 
in front of me with out 1960 MGA 1600 roadster. 
I am kinda of curious to see how it rides and handles with the new 
springs. 

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Date: 24 Aug 95 09:36:55 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: LR sighting in Disneyland!

Funny how this has never been reported...  during the vacations, when I was
going through Euro-Disney with the kids, we came across a beautyful - i.e.
totally banged up - S.IIA 109 Station Safari that is sitting there as an
*attraction* in 'Adventureland' just across Aladdin's cave, loaded up with
all sorts of weird safari and adventure gear. One rear door that is missing
has been reconstructed on a wooden frame with animal hide and attached to
the original hinges, it has an australian style rhino bar (flat and arch-like)
a sun shield made from palm leaf, and an ingenious roof rack hand-made from
bamboo! It keeps in place simply by the feet of the rack having been driven
through the sun roof...
I naturally inspected this vehicle very thouroughly and noticed that the
engine and entire drivetrain including propshafts were missing. Talked up
one of the costumed Disney droids who were loitering about, inquired about
the Land Rover (he had the nerve to say "...oh, you mean the Jeep", so he
obviously wasn't competent) and was refered to a Mr. so-and-so at the
information desk at "Town Hall" in "Main Street, U.S.A." Found the guy 
there, and with a big grin he pointed outside in front of Town Hall where
a beautifully restored, shiny canary yellow chrome-blinking antique
american cabriolet was standing, something like a 1928 Packard (I think).
Approached the vehicle, and already from a distance I immediately noticed
that unmistakeable shape of the oil pan of a 4-cyl. Land Rover engine looking
out from underneath. Looked under the car, and there it all was: 2.25 l
4-cyl. Rover petrol engine, S.IIA tranny, hand brake drum, and propshafts,
all clean and painted in turquoise green and black. The rear propshaft had
been extended with a kind of drum-shaped flange to mate it to the original
axle. It suited the antique car perfectly: Both engine and tranny were
leaking oil and leaving spots, the engine sputtered, clacked and clattered
happily with its old worn valves, and it trailed a quaint little smoke
screen behind when chugging up and down Main Street, it couldn't have looked
and sounded more original. Later that day I also noticed an old rebuilt S.F.
fire engine that was fitted with what was obviously a Salisbury rear axle
from a S.III 109. So, now you know the choice of Disney when it comes to
powering their antique cars: Components from old Land Rover junkers. 
Oh yes, of course I did ask the info peron at Town Hall why this was so,
his answer was: "Parts from Land Rovers look much older and more antique
than they really are, _and_ you can still get cheap spare parts..."
There you are.   -  BTW I took pictures of both vehicles. Any Web site
interested?

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: SPOTS
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 14:56:27 BST

*Removing the hardtop in summer,then putting it back
 using only half the bolts.(Look,mum,arent I clever,
I've got *loads* left over!)

*Replacing the head gasket,and not torquing it down *twice*.
 This on a 2 1/4 diesel.

*Leaving the gear lever attached to the box by only its
 rearmost studs.Needless to say,without the cover plate
 over the bellhousing as well.

*Replacing the dynamo brushes,when the commutator resembled
 a power station cooling tower in shape.

*Rewiring to use a single 12V battery,instead of two 6V.
 A good idea,but *not* using 440v earth cable for the job!
 The resultant fire was interesting.........

*Attaching the starter motor with 2 out of 3 bolts.(Another
 one for his collection).

*Filling the air filter with oil.To the top!

*Telling me he was an engineer.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: SPOTS

On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, Mike Rooth wrote:

> *Filling the air filter with oil.To the top!

	:-)  :-)  :-)

	I have seen expanding foam used to fill large gaping holes in 
	the frame, sculpted smooth and painted black to pass the MOT.

	Seen bumper *under* riders

	Electrical systems rewired in pastel coloured wires, using a 
	heavier gauge wire because the original is inadequate, and
	to a unique PO wiring system because LR didn't know how to wire
	it properly (The first time one was was started it promptly
	caught fire, wouldn't stop the engine...  A few mods were
	done to solve theys, er, deficiencies)  Also seen rewqiring
	jobs to the factory diagram all in one colour.  Just picked up a 
	spool of wire and went to it...

	In the questionable catagory, ie great on paper, but on the 
	off-road?  Flip front ends where wings bonnet et al flip up
	exposing the entire engine bay (now if you are in deep water,
	you can't open the bonnet to let it spray out etc etc...)  
	Quite a few of this particular mod up here in Canada.

	Coil overs.  Using porsche racing coil springs between the
	spring and frame to aid tired leaf springs.  Honda coils work
	well too.  (This mod the PO put onto my Little Earth Pig)

	Plating the entire frame with more steel... Seen up to 1/2" plate
	used on one particular frame...  Using 2x4's to strengthen frames,
	bolted on with huge u-bolts.

	Using diesel fuel in the rad as a coolant (one of my 109 PU's came
	with this one...)

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 08:29:07 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Parts from the UK

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Parts from the UK
Hi David! How's the 107? I'm about to order parts from AEW Paddock, totaling
around $700 sterling. (over $1000 US) plus shipping. As you know, I'm in
Arizona, don't know it that helps at all. I'm ordering front/rear springs
too. Getting diesel 88 drivers side for both sides, and 1 ton shackles front
and rear. (should give 1" -2" lift- right? Can anyone confirm this??) Also a
transmission, 5-8" wide white spoke rims, brake drum, roof rack, etc... so
the weight is already substantial. Have you ordered from UK before? Any
tips? This is my first order, and I was thinking about calling them Today,
or Tomorrow morning (close to noon Friday for them).

On second thought, I'll copy this to the list, any tips anyone?

Thanks, Dave (crazy with Roveritis) Brown

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 09:07:42 PDT
From: Kirk Kenyon <kpk@imatron.com>
Subject: Bike racks

I have a Performance Bicycle Shop catalog here, and it lists several
possible racks:

1>  Performance Hitch Mount Bicycle Racks
    All hold 3 bikes:

1a> XPORT-Standard   
    Mounts to the hitch ball via a bolt, so rear door 
    access is obstructed.
    US$99.99	part. 39-4202A

1b> XPORT-Extra  
    Above, but with a quick release mechanism, to allow
    rear door access by removing the rack from the mounting
    plate.  
    US$139.99   part. 39-4201A

1c> XPORT-Extra Receiver Hitch Carrier
    Same as the Extra, (has a quick release), but mounts to
    a 2" receiver hitch.  
    US$139.99   part. 00-6618A
    US$29.99    part. 00-7190A  Hitch Extension for use w/spare tires

2>  Rhode Gear Spare Tire Shuttle
    Holds 2 bikes, mounting on the spare tire.  This would 
    avoid the problem of rear door access, perhaps.  The centering
    support arms lit you center your bike behind the Rover, if the
    spare tire is mounted off-center.
    US$89.99    part. 00-6449A

The racks are available through:

Performance Bicycle Shop
One Performance Way
P.O. Box 2741
Chapel Hill, NJ 27514-2741
1-800-727-2453

Though they also have about 30 local shops located throughout the
States (mostly CA, IL, PA, MD, VA, CO, NC, WA & OR).  The shipping
charges seem quite modest at US$6.50 for regular and US$10.90 for
Canadian addresses.  (US Mail or UPS.)  They also accept international 
orders: 1-919-933-9113 or fax 1-919-967-3979.

I have never bought anything from them myself, but they seem to be a 
reputable outfit.

-Kirk

(a future Discovery owner - after I finish my house!)

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:13:47 -0700
From: matts@caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Re: bike racks and LRs

>1. Does it swing away to allow rear door use?
>   I think you answered this "no" in your second post.

The model I have does not, but there's a more expensive model that does.  On 
that more expensive model, the fitting where the rack attaches to the 
trailer hitch is articulated, and you just pull out a pin and it can move.  
However, it moves this way:

                   ------
                         \       -->
                 rover    \   / rack
                      ___/___/
                     ( )

In words, it drops towards the ground.  You could do this with the bikes on, 
but it would probably be very awkward.  With bikes off, it seemed to me I 
could just as easily pull out the pin on the trailer hitch and remove the 
whole assembly, so I opted for the cheaper model.

>2. Four bike or 2 bike?

Three actually.  I found that two are most comfortable, with the middle 
space emtpy, but it can carry three.

>3. Price?

I'm afraid I don't remember, but you can call Performance: 800-727-2453.

>4. Care to comment on how well you like it?

Sure, I like it very much, I think it's the most convenient way yet to carry 
bikes on a car.  I also regularly attach it to the trailer hitch of my Volvo 
sedan, and it leaves plenty of room to open the trunk.  I might also add 
that there's a hole in the fitting that attaches to the hitch, by which you 
can cable-lock it to the vehicle if your hitch isn't secure.  There's also a 
good size hole in the horizontal member, and a corresponding one in the 
plate that covers it, and I usually attach a pad lock there when I leave the 
vehicle unattended.

>5. What's the name of the rack?  (Thule, etc.)

It has the words Max Rack painted on it, which is, as far as I can tell, a 
relabelling that Performance puts on it.  In other words, as far as I know 
you can only get it from Performance, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 
exact same rack appeared with a different label somewhere else.

>Thanks.  I'll pass the info on to others looking, if you don't mind.

Certainly.

-Matt

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:24:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Disco/Range Rover trailer wiring

Your offer to tell us about trailer wiring sounds great.  I, for one, 
would appreciate it if you would write it up.

...chris

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:04:22 -0400
Subject: Just musings

chrisz@bnr.ca writes:
> I noticed that WARN has a receiver mounted winch. Anyone know the
weight rating for this puppy? Has anyone ever tried to mount a front
receiver on the Discovery? 
       Yes... I have the Warn mounted on a received mounted on a Disco.  (And
I can call it a Disco with out any problems.)  The winch is rated at 8000 lbs
(Warn X8000i).  The received mounts to the frame using the same points as the
front bumper with slightly longer bolts (x 2 for each side).  It is a very
clean setup but it reduces the approach angle significantly.  The option is
to keep it inside until needed but the danger is the hassle of getting it out
& attached while in a real mess.  I also purchased the longer electrical
 cable for use in the rear.  Be careful when mouting the receiver.  Trying to
get it lined up with the frame and with the bumper is difficult for one
person since the mount weighs at least 50 lbs.

> rvirzi@gte.com writes:    I imagine a thief pulling a pin out and
walking off with all four bikes and the rack in about 2 seconds.
            The same is true with any received mounted accessories.  You can
pick up a pin/lock combination from U-Haul for about $10.  It is rated at
10,000 lbs.

> Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au> chimes in with the movie list.
            Where can I get a copy of "Emanuelle in Africa" .. I'd really
like to see the LR's in it!

Gerry 
'95 Disco "The Great White Hope"  (Why: it's a white LR with questionable
electrics and I'm hoping that it doesn't begin to leak or spark in the near
future!)

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:26:43 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Celluloid

In message Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:49:42 +0000,
  Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>  writes:
> Isn't it "White Hunter, Black Heart"?
>>   sorry that i can't provide a title. (And i can't get used to Clint
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Arn't you getting confused with the sound dubbing for "Emannuelle in
> Africa"?
I don't think so. I never saw Emanuelle in Africa. But i started a
discussion on another "movie" in the same category sometime ago. People were
driving around in a Santana and spent the afternoon with physical
activities. Like the girl that mounted a sheik and jumped up and down.
No wonder she went "Oooh aaah oooh" after riding a leaf sprung Santana all
day.

There's nothing like sattelite television to extend one's horizon.

cheers
sv/aurens
-

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 11:54:42 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: SPOTS

The previous owner only knew to put oil in the engine.  He drove it all over the
Western US.  When the rear diff dried up & broke, he put it into 4 wheel and 
drove it on front wheel drive for another year untill the transfer case went dry
(luckally near his house).  He had it towed home & there it sat for almost 3 
years before I came along.  Oh well it did get me a US$ 350 109 two door pickup.

TeriAnn

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:14:50 +0000
From: rnewell@dircon.co.uk (Russell Newell)
Subject: SIII pulling to left on braking

I have a 1980 SIII ex military LWB radio truck. When I brake it pulls to
the left. I have had all 8 wheel cylinders and brake assembly cleaned and
serviced, no contamination, etc. but the problem won't go away. What could
it be, tracking, swivel housing/pin, steering components?? It has been
standing for 5 years in a NATO warehouse and has 12000 genuine miles on the
clock. Mechanically very sound, think it's great.

Russell Newell, London

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:49:20 -0700
From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: New Springs

> I started the job by jacking the vehicle up and supporting 
> the frame and then I put jack stands under the axle. 
>I removed the 
>brackets holding the brake lines and removed the wheels for better 
>access to the U-bolts.

 I suggest that there is a safer way to do this:

 Do one spring at a time. >>Do not remove the wheels<<*

 Jack up the frame just enough to place a ~5" wood block(s) between the axle
and the rubber frame bumper. Lower the frame so the weight rests on the wood
blocks/wheel. Place a bottle jack under the spring, in the center of the
U-bolts. Loosen the U-bolt nuts. Let the tension off the spring by lowering
the bottle jack. remove shock(AR), shackles, sping bolt, spring.

 Replace frame bushings (AR), this *is* the fun part.

 Reassemble in reverse order; Hang the spring, lift to meet the U-bolts with
the bottle jack, install nuts, no sweat. You might have to loosen the U-bolt
nuts, just a little, on the other side, to line up the pin.

 The truck is never up on jack stands, with you underneath, banging on the
bushings or leavering things into place. It can't fall on you, even if you
knocked the wooden block out.

Regards, Bill G.

*you might have to remove the rear wheels if you are replacing the shocks as
part of the project, depening on which way the top bolts are installed, tire
size. Do the top of the rear shocks first or last. 

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:57:11 +0800
From: dimitry@uask4it.Eng.Sun.COM (Dimitry Struve)
Subject: Newbie Questions

Greetings -

I have just subscribed to the list and would like to ask what has perhaps
been a frequent question: I'd like feedback on buying a new Discovery
or late model Range Rover as a daily driver/occasional offroader/fairly
frequent snow vehicle. My Land Rover knowledge is limited to having
had a friend in high school who's folks had an 88" SII, and knowing
couple of guys here at work with simlar vintage LR's. I have narrowed
my choices to, in addition to Rovers, the FJ80 Land Cruiser or a Jeep
Grand Cherokee. I like the Jeep on-road, it has a good offroad reputation,
but it is not very roomy and the reliability reputation is iffy.

I currently drive a 4wd Ford Ranger with manual hubs so I wouldn't 
characterize myself as a yuppie wannabe :) Well not completely anyway.
But between the Ford and my wife's Corolla, I am used to pretty seamless 
reliability.

Planned usage: short urban commute; frequent trips with wife and two kids
on freeway and twisty mountain two lane to cabin; access to cabin in winter
on poorly plowed road (1 - 2 feet snow depth not uncommon); occasional
(5 - 10 times/year) offroad use on true 4wd but non-winch type trails.

Questions: Disco vs Range Rover pros and cons (assume new 5 spd Disco
	   	and similarly priced [92/93] used Range Rover). I am
		not interested in any of the bells and whistles on
		the RR - I am looking for a basic but modern 4x4. But
		if RRs work better or are more reliable I would like to
		know.

	   Reliability - would a used de-bugged unit be better than new?

	   Best year/model Range Rover

	   Pros and cons of LWB Range Rover (ie is legroom that much better,
		is air suspension a big benefit or problem, etc)

	   Will I feel intimidated about taking it offroad (not currently
		a problem with my pickup)

	   (For SF Bay Area residents: recommended dealer for purchase or service)

	   Any other advice, encouragement, warnings, etc. Please don't tell
	   me to buy a SII or III; I want AC, power steering, power, etc :)

Thanks in advance; I would especially like to hear from US owners but all
feedback is greatly appreciated.

-Dimitry

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 15:46:46 EST
Subject: Another Movie Sighting

Another movie not on the recent extensive posting:  
About a week ago saw "Sniper" on TV.  Tom Beringer, I think, 
was main star.  Story line was USMC sniper with green 
sidekick sent to knock off some drug lord.  At one point, 
the main bad guy comes roaring into his compound in a 
.....Discovery.  I think the movie predates Disco 
availability in US by a couple of years, so the veh must 
have been acquired "on location" shortly after launch of the 
type.

Theme: "One shot -- one kill. No exceptions."  Talk about 
attitude!

Hank

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:59:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Disco/Range Rover trailer wiring (fwd)

Your offer to tell us about trailer wiring sounds great.  I, for one, 
would appreciate it if you would write it up.

...chris

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:02:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Disco/Range Rover trailer wiring 

Your offer to tell us about trailer wiring sounds great.  I, for one, 
would appreciate it if you would write it up.

...chris

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Date: 24 Aug 1995 14:32:45 -0500
From: "Sean McInerney" <smcinerney@mail.nrgn.com>
Subject: IRONY

IRONY
Hello all...

  Just thought that I would relate a message left under the windshield of the
beast while it sat in our company parking lot:

   If you are ever
   interested in selling
   your Land Rover
   please call me.  I
   would be very interested
   my number is
     <# withheld>

The irony comes from my efforts to sell my 94 Acura, which incidentally has
not been driven in 3 months and would not start when attempted yesterday due
to an unknown battery drain.  I was getting it ready to show to a potential
buyer...it is at the dealer now...MUCH more complicated than Lucas
electronics!  When I sell it (hopefully Friday), I can buy another
LR...already found one in need of a home and a frame.

Maybe I will call this person saying that it is a special limited edition
worth tens of thousands.  I could say that its beluga bronze green...you
know, the color of caviar after its been in the woods for 32 years. 8*)

Sean C. McInerney
1963 SIIa 88"...currently Bronze and topless...unlike its owner

__________AND__NOT__FOR__SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!_________________

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:05:27 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Series LR Aftermarket Brakes and Parts List

 'Rumpole of the Bay-Lee' says,

 Mike Hoskins is working on supplying a backer plate for
 brakes on the Series vehicles.  This would allow the use of
 American brake shoes and parts, including wheel cylinders.
 Advantages are the use of cheap and available American parts,
 larger brake shoes/surface area which equals better stopping,
 a handbrake at the wheel, and they are self adjusting, etc.
 If interested in this brake system call or write Mike below,
 or email me at <cs@crl.com>. 

 Check out the Series Land-Rover Aftermarket Parts List at
 http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html  provided by Mike Hoskins
 of Mid America Rover, 10708 College Ave., Kansas City, MO 64137
 USA  Phone/Fax 816-763-3797.  It's modest, but a good start.

-Michael Carradine
 '65 IIA 88" 'Rumpole of the Bay'

 Michael Carradine, Architect                          Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA    <cs@crl.com>
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:46:59 -0700
From: matts@caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Re: Discovery Trailer Wiring

>As an Discovery owner with the trailer wiring installed,
>I would definitely be interested in seeing the wiring
>diagram written up and post!

Below is the diagram.  Making the assumption that my wiring harness 
(intended for a range rover) and yours are compatible, the colors on the 
rover side should be the same.  Note that some wires go unused.  I don't use 
the rover's ground wire, because I usually tow U-Haul trailers, and the 
ground connection is made where the trailer touches the tow hitch ball.  If 
your trailer works the same way, and your tow hitch ball is covered with 
something non-conductive (I sometimes put oil on mine), you'll need a wire 
going from some bare piece of metal on the rover to some bare piece of metal 
on the trailer.  I also don't use the backup light wire, since U-Haul 
trailers don't have 'em.

On the trailer side, I use a standard off-the-shelf 4-pin trailer plug.  
There are two kinds, one with 4 wires, intended to be used when your 
vehicle's turn signal and brake light are the same bulb, and one with 5 
wires, intended to be used when the vehicle has separate (usually amber) 
turn signal bulbs.  Obviously, I should have used the 5-wire one, but the 
4-wire one's cheaper, and the only difference is that the 5-wire one has the 
diodes built in.

If you end up with a 5-wire plug on the trailer side, you can at least use 
my diagram to know what the wires in the wiring harness do.  My guess is the 
connections will be the same, except that red from the harness will connect 
directly to the 5th wire.  I'm afraid my diagram says B for one of the 
wires, and I think that probably means brown, but I'll have to confirm it 
when I get home tonight.

|<  means diode
@   means bulb

                                     ground
              ---------+---------------------------------+-----------
                       |                                 |
            LEFT       |                                 |   RIGHT
                       |                                 |
            running    |    break/turn     break/turn    |    running 
              light    |    light               light    |    light   
                +-@-+  |  +-@-+                   +-@-+  |  +-@-+
              +-+   +--+--+   +-+               +-+   +--+--+   +-+
              |                 |               |                 |
              |                 +---|<--+-->|---+                 |
              |                 |       |       |                 |
              |                 |       |       |                 |      
   /\         |                 |       |       |                 |   
trailer       |brown       green|       | yellow|            brown|   
. . . . . . . | . . . . . . . . | . . . | . . . | . . . . . . . . | . . . . .
 rover        |                 |       |       |                 |   
   \/         |           yellow|    red|  green|                 |   
              |                                                   |
              +-------------------------+-------------------------+
                                        |
                                        |b    

-Matt

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 22:28:51 -0400
Subject: Getting half of digest

Is anyone else connected to America Online having problem with the Digest.  I
download my mail and then I can only read half of it!  The message at the top
says that to read the rest, I should download the file.  WHen I attempt to
download it, it says I already have.  Help, I'm missing out on half the fun!
  
Cheers !   John Cassidy

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:06:36 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Movies

The Clint Eastwood - elephant hunting film is "White Hunter Black Heart" 
where he plays a director trying to shoot a movie but is more concerned with 
shooting elephants.  Two very early Series II 88's in dozens of scenes.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:21:08 MST
Subject: LR movies

Great list Lloyd.  I merged your list with one from an article in the Aluminum
Workhorse by Wendell Cotton.  Excuse the caps, but I couldn't think of how else
to show the additions.

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:49:50 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: wwwebery

Talking of lists, here is the film list, any notable omissions?
 
THE AIR UP THERE 
Africa Express
ALICE TO NOWHERE
AMERICAN NINJA IV
 An Angel at My Table
THE BEAST MUST DIE
 Bad Boys
BARBARIANS AT THE GATE
THE BLACK WEREWOLF
 Born Free
 This is Callan
 Casper
 Children of the Damned
CHRISTIAN THE LION
 Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion.
 Clear and Present Danger
 Cliffhanger.
 Close Encounters of the Third Kind
CODENAME: WILDGEESE
 Congo
 Crack In The World
 Cry Freedom
 Daar doer in die Bosveld
DARK HORSE
 Darling Buds of May
DEADLOCK
DEADLY BEES
 Dr. No
 Dr. Who
 The Dogs of War
 Dry White Season
 Dumb and Dumber
AN ELEPHANT NAMED SLOWLEY
 Emanuelle in Africa
ESCAPE FROM PARADISE
 Four Weddings and a Funeral.
 The Fourth Protocol
 FX
GIANT BEHEMOTH
 The Gods Must be Crazy.
 Gold
GOLD OF THE AMAZON WOMEN
 Gorillas in the Mist
GUNS AT BATASI
HAPPY BIRTHDAY WANDA JUNE
 Heart-Beat
HIGHLANDER THREE
 High Risk
HIGH FLIGHT
 Hunt for Red October
 Ice Cold in Alex
IN A FARAWAY PLACE
 Island of Terror
 The Italian Job
 Jake Speed
 Judge Dredd
 Killer Force
 The Lair of the White Worm
LAST FRONTIER
THE LAST SAFAFI
LATE FOR DINNER
 Lethal Ninja
 The List of Adrian Messenger
 The Living Daylights.
 Living Free
 Love Affair
 The Man With The Golden Gun.
 Mogambo
 Mountain Rescue
NAVY SEALS
OCTOPUSSY
OMEGA MAN
ON THE WINGS OF EAGLES
 Orca
 Outbreak
 The Pacific Ocean
 Packin' It In
 The Passenger
PASSION AND PARADISE
 Patriot Games
 Peter's Friends
 The Player
 Point Break
PYROTECHNICS
QUIET THUNDER
 Revenge of the Pink Panther
RED DAWN
RED SCORPION
THE RIGHT STUFF
 Romancing The Stone
 Roxanne
THE SERPENT AND THE RAINBOW
THE SERPENT OF DEATH
 Shark aka Maneater
SKELETON COAST
 Sheena
 Simba
 633 Squadron
 Stand By Me.
SUDDEN TERROR
THREE MEN AND A LITTLE LADY
THE TREASURE OF THE FOUR CROWNS
 The Ugly American
 Watcher in the Woods
WHITE HUNTER BLACK HEART
 Wild Geese
 Wild Geese II
 On Wings of Eagles
 Wolf

Emanuelle in Africa ! sheesh.

Lloyd

I haven't seen but a few of these and can't testify that there really are Land
Rovers in the rest.  Some of these might also be US TV movies.

Rob Modica	51 SI 80"	60 109 Safari
Tucson, Az	94 Disco 5spd "Casper"

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:18:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Re : winch, bushes

The lads abroad haven't a clue....

> > What on earth is a "receiver mounted winch" plsz.
> No idea!

/

This is a winch for wimps that want a winch but don't want the bugger
hanging out in front of (or behind) the vehicle.

Ok.. I'll be fair. The "receiver" is (I believe) the square tube that is up
under the rear bumper (usually). A smaller sized square tube with a tow ball
fits snugly into the reciever tube and is held in place with a stout pin.
Pull the pin and remove the hitch and the the only visable evidence that you
can tow something is this square hole under the bumper. 

You can get a winch mount designed to fit into the receiver. If you have a
receiver mounted up front the winch can be used either way. It seems to be a
"light duty" arangement if you ask me. 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:59:56 -0400
Subject: Need Advice

Will Cantrell asks..

> All right Land Rover people I need some help. I have located a 59-60 SWB

> truck in Maine. (snip)  The frame is slightly rusted. (snip) Needs new

> brake lines, no doubt. He has many trucks around so he hasn't had it

> started in a while. Needs footwell kits.

Will, where in Maine-I'm in Bangor Maine.  Could the seller be a John
Hawkins?  Anyway, I live in Bangor Maine and would be willing to travel
within an hour from my home to check the vehicle personally.  If it is John
Hawkins, I was just out to see him the other evening(he's the only person I
know with "lots of trucks")  I have all the hand tools, torches, and a MIG
welder at my house if you need some facilities for repairs and I live a short
distance from the local International airport.
Cheers!   John
Feel free to contact me by phone at 207-942-5152(home)
                  207-941-2373(work)

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Subject: Re: A couple of questions????
From: brian.imdieke@iotp.com (BRIAN IMDIEKE)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 18:05:00 -700

CK> Having leather seats, I would like to keep them in good shape. Sugge
CK> for leather care products? This is my first opportunity to own leath
CK> I'd like to keep them nice.

Lexol.  Cleaner first, then preservative, three times a year.  This is
very good stuff!  Been using it for years.....all my cars have leather.

CK> Yes, I know, they are supposed to have scratches, dings etc, but unt
CK> time as I deserve them, I'd like to do the best job of keeping the (
CK> finish looking good. Any recommendations for coatings like wax or si
CK> the new finishes? How about the rubber seals around the windows?

Straight silicone on all the rubber (keep it off the paint though) and I
like Zymol for the paint.....

You've heard from.....

        Brian Imdieke           <brian.imdieke@iotp.com>
        Phoenix, Arizona
        USA

---
 þ RM 1.3 01654 þ Love your neighbor, just don't get caught!
 * KMail 3.00  IOTP: AZ's LARGEST PCBoard - with INTERNET!

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: SPOTS
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:17:23 +0930 (CST)

Dixon writes:

> 	heavier gauge wire because the original is inadequate, and
> 	to a unique PO wiring system because LR didn't know how to wire
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>       Also seen rewiring jobs to the factory diagram all in one colour.
>       Just picked up a spool of wire and went to it...

OH Well, after my IIa fried its wiring smack in the middle of Kakadu (between
Nourlangie camp and Nourlangie Billabong to be precise) I rewired the damn
thing, with heavier wire and fuses, (fuse box from nissan truck-screw down
connectors- 9 fuses).
Trouble was I could only get two colours for "free" and anything else I had
to pay for so.... Two colours it was....  I had my own unique wiring system
and colour codes. (eg red wire with red terminal, red + blue,Black+red etc.)
didnt have enough combinations but it helped... Soldered everything then
wrapped the whole shebang in about 4Km of black tape.....

All went well no more problems, no fires, no "lucas" outs, great...:-)

When I sold her to help pay for the stage 1 I gave the young purchaser (who
was more interested in the hot 3.3L motor than the Land-rover it was in) my
wiring diagram....
About 6 months later I get this very irrate phone call.  He'd taken the thing
to an auto electrician to get a pair of driving lights fitted (she had two
pair fitted when sold so where he expected to put another pair I dont
know..).  Anyway he did not give my wiring diagram to the sparky, who rather
than work out which relay fed hi/low beam decided to rip the whole harness
out and "upgrade" it to factory standard on the basis that my loom was
"unsafe. (It may have been who knows).  The factory loom of course cost an
arm and a leg and needed to be heavily modified to take into account the
three way switched thermatic fans, the electronic ignition, 80A alternator,
dual battery setup and relay etc etc....  Cost the poor kid about half what
he paid for the car, and he wanted me to pay for it..
Needless to say I declined his offer.
I lost track of the vehicle when the owner moved to about 200 mile away, but
heard from a friend some time later that he'd seen what he thought was my old
Landrover sitting out the back of a wrecking yard a burnt out hulk :-( 
Never able to confirm its fate.... 

So I s'pose in this instance I was the DPO.   :-(

-- 

  Daryl

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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 01:16:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Series LR Aftermarket Brakes and Parts List

On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, Michael Carradine wrote:

>  Mike Hoskins is working on supplying a backer plate for
>  brakes on the Series vehicles.  This would allow the use of
>  American brake shoes and parts, including wheel cylinders.

	Very nice, but the brit parts are just as cheap and available.
	If they work great, another option...

>  Check out the Series Land-Rover Aftermarket Parts List at
>  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html  provided by Mike Hoskins

	14 parts.  Nice...  I have 34,000 sitting on my hard drive here...

	Sorry, its been a long week so far...

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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:22:49 +0200
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: More SPOTs (Stupid Previous Owner Tricks)

When I got my SIIA (25 jears old (the rover, not me)) 
(It's a 109 Disel) sometimes the machine stops, most 
times on the highway. 
After one ore two minutes I where able to start again.

After driving aproximatly 1000 km and 3 stops I changed the fuel-filters. 

When removing the air from the fuel system I found the following:
In the fuel pump there are two valves.

The valves should be:
                        ________
           \________/  /        \

But the valves where installed like:
          
           \________/  \________/  

So you can see: the disel fuel pump is optional!

Peter
Signature: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter
Landrover: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:49:42 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: OVLR Newsletter (Was: Series LR Aftermarket Brakes and Parts List)

 Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> writes:

>>  Mike Hoskins is working on supplying a backer plate for
    brakes on the Series vehicles.  This would allow the use of
    American brake shoes and parts, including wheel cylinders.
>	Very nice, but the brit parts are just as cheap and available.
 	If they work great, another option...

 Read ahead a little and get to the important part...
   -- larger brake shoes, better stopping
   -- self adjusting
   -- real, usable auxillary hand brakes at all four wheels  

>>  Check out the Series Land-Rover Aftermarket Parts List at
    http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html  provided by Mike Hoskins
>	14 parts.  Nice...  I have 34,000 sitting on my hard drive here...

 ..and not doing anybody else any good on YOUR hard disk, are they!
 (Did I mention it was a modest start?)

>	Sorry, its been a long week so far...

 Ohhh, really??  It's been a GREAT week so far here in California!

 Why, just the other day I received an unsolicited wonderful little newsletter
 from a nice bunch of Rover enthusiasts --from Canada I think; yea, the Ottowa
 Valley Land Rovers.  What a great collection of informative articles and
 how-to tutorials, events and adventure chronicles, sections with news and
 lies-rumours-trivia, extensive classifieds for parts and vehicles, an upcoming
 events calendar, charts and diagrams of all types of obscure Rovers and
 original sales brochures and prices, a photo-montage centerfold, application
 form and even a humor section, all stuffed into 20 pages of small yet readable
 print.  To my delight the newsletter is focused virtually 100% on my personally
 most favorite Land Rovers --the Series type (no Yuppies here, just Men!).  Not
 a single advertisement or commercial reference anywhere, these guys truly love
 Land-Rovers and support their club out of their own wallet.  Very nicely done
 and, can you believe this, it's a *monthly* too?  I think they're just giving
 it away with membership dues of only $20/year!  And that sincere hand written
 cover note from the editor himself, let me see, D-I-X-O-N  K-E-N-N-E-R.

 Oh well, here's a brew to the OVLR!

 Cheers,

-Michael Carradine
 cs@crl.com

 '65 IIA 88" 'Rumpole of the Bay'

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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:00:32 +0200
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Re: SIII pulling to left on braking

Don't know if this helps: 
I had the same Problem on my SIIA. 
Yesterday I tried to get the MOD, so I changed the 
the front break drums between right end left. 

Testing the breaks at the MOD there was absolutly 
NO difference between the left an right   :-)

BTW: I didn't pass the MOD because of some rust in the frame 
AND OIL LEAKING OUT from the machine and gearbox !! :-(

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:34:29 +0000
Subject:       Re: SIII pulling to left on braking

> I have a 1980 SIII ex military LWB radio truck. When I brake it pulls to
> the left. I have had all 8 wheel cylinders and brake assembly cleaned and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> standing for 5 years in a NATO warehouse and has 12000 genuine miles on the
> clock. Mechanically very sound, think it's great.
Check the following:
    tyre pressure (lower pressure to the left)
    wheel wobble (jack up the front of the LR and grab the wheel top 
& bottom. Can you wobble the wheel with a push/pull motion? - if you 
can, get the wheel tightened to the stub-axel)
    loose steering (if you can move thew steering wheel more that 
about 5 degrees, you will neeed to tighten up the steering box.)

hope this helps

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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