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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:18:53 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Ooops.

Did you know that this list has received 1764 messages since 22nd
June which was when I went on holiday forgetting to unsubscribe?

Ooops.

Said holiday was in UK where I attended Billing, feeling somewhat
naked in our hired Fiat Punto. Needless to say I expended a lot of
drool (particularly in the camping areas where some of the most
interesting vehicles were to be found), and came away with as much
as I thought my baggage allowance would handle. Unfortunately the
second hand rear door for 10 pounds wouldn't fit in my suitcase.

Nice to see that the list is so lively, nice also to see lots of
contributions from downunder.

Just a few points on some of the subjects discussed over the last 8
weeks: (no I didn't read all 1700 messages, just the interesting looking
ones).

Gearsticks: I too snapped off my IIA stick at the ball.
Fuel tanks: My IIA had the dual tank underseat arrangement, it looked
                      factory fitted.
SA club: nice to see, I am in the WALROC and while it is a very good
         club, lots of trips, very social - only 10% LRs!
Significant others: My wife is now infected by landroveritis to the point
                    where she will consider a IIA/III as a second car!
                    (Main vehicle is a 110).

Speaking of the 110 - I have covered 6000km in two trips recently, with
total mileage approaching 280000km. I am the 2nd owner and I can be sure 
that the motor has had no major work.  It is now getting a bit rattly in
the top end but apart from that is going strong.(It is a V8).

Cheers

Tony Yates.   a.yates@bom.gov.au

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Starting Problems: Fuel Vapourisation?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 9:37:46 BST

Tony,
Friend of mine has a S111,which had that problem,or worse.
In fact it kept cutting out on her.She had had a Weber
installed,and the twerp that didi the job had run the fuel
line from the pump,*over* the engine,to the carb.Cure was
a longer fuel line round the back of the engine(clipped
to the bulkhead,in fact)well away from the engine.
However,another mate has a 11A which is running OK,and
its been 90 odd deg F here for a day or two.
You could try carrying some water and a rag around with
you.If it happens again,wrap the wet rag round the carb,
and the fuel lines.Cool 'em off.If it then starts,its
vapour lock,if it doesnt it isnt.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Fuel vaporisation
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:09:29 +0100 (BST)

Tony
With a Zenith carb, if you pull the choke out after the engine has
stopped, then the choke flap prevents the petrol from evaporating,
making it a bit easier to start.
Cheers!
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:49:50 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: wwwebery

Ian - some webs are listed at the end of the digest  !-)

Some net links are in:
   http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Net/index.html
and    ................                              /Net/Home.Pages.html

Talking of lists, here is the film list, any notable omissions?
   http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Films/index.shtml
[NB.  shtml]

%T Africa Express
%T An Angel at My Table
%T Bad Boys
%T Born Free
%T This is Callan
%T Casper
%T Children of the Damned
%T Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion.
%T Clear and Present Danger
%T Cliffhanger.
%T Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
%T Congo
%T Crack In The World
%T Cry Freedom
%T Daar doer in die Bosveld
%T Darling Buds of May
%T Dr. No
%T Dr. Who
%T The Dogs of War.
%T Dry White Season
%T Dumb and Dumber
%T Emanuelle in Africa
%T Four Weddings and a Funeral.
%T The Fourth Protocol
%T FX
%T The Gods Must be Crazy.
%T Gold
%T Gorillas in the Mist
%T Heart-Beat
%T High Risk
%T Hunt for Red October
%T Ice Cold in Alex
%T Island of Terror
%T The Italian Job
%T Jake Speed
%T Judge Dredd
%T Killer Force
%T The Lair of the White Worm
%T Lethal Ninja
%T The List of Adrian Messenger
%T The Living Daylights.
%T Living Free
%T Love Affair
%T The Man With The Golden Gun.
%T Mogambo
%T Mountain Rescue
%T Orca
%T Outbreak
%T The Pacific Ocean
%T Packin' It In
%T The Passenger
%T Patriot Games.
%T Peter's Friends
%T The Player
%T Point Break
%T Revenge of the Pink Panther
%T Romancing The Stone.
%T Roxanne
%T Shark aka Maneater
%T Sheena
%T Simba
%T 633 Squadron
%T Stand By Me.
%T The Ugly American
%T Watcher in the Woods.
%T Wild Geese
%T Wild Geese II
%T On Wings of Eagles
%T Wolf

Emanuelle in Africa ! sheesh.

Lloyd

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Date:  Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:55:00 -0400 
From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" <chrisz@bnr.ca>
Subject:  re:Turn Signals, CDs, Winches on the Discovery 

1) Finally had the Turn signal issue looked into at the dealer. Hey, its
under warranty, so they're gonna fix it! It took several attempts
because several things were wrong. The front driver turn signal was failing
intermitantly. Changing the bulb fixed this problem. The driver rear
turn signal was also failing; the socket was corroded. One thing about
this driver rear turn signal is that it is just inches from the tail
pipe. I expect this may cause more problems in the future.

2) Someone mentioned that the Discovery CD player is a stock pioneer.
>From what I understand it is not quite stock in that there is some
modification to allow you to use the dash buttons for track selection.
I would be interested in an alternative to the LR CD player, because
frankly, I find CDN$1000 somewhat insulting.

3) I noticed that WARN has a receiver mounted winch. Anyone know the
weight rating for this puppy? Has anyone ever tried to mount a front
receiver on the Discovery? I am looking for an alternative to the
CDN$3000 (9000lb) winch offered by the dealer. I figured a receiver
mounted winch may be more practical (front/rear), affordable, and
vandle proof.

Cheers,

   Christian Szpilfogel
   '95 Discovery (can't bring myself to say disco).
   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 09:38:44 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: LR Supermarket

          Greetings fellow Rover Owners,
          (I can say that now)
           I am located in Washington DC, and am planning to
          order some heavy parts from the Land Rover
          Supermarket in the UK. It looks like I'll be
          getting springs and shocks all the way around,
          even with the overseas shipping its still cheaper
          than the US suppliers. It would be more economical
          if we could piggy back as much as possible onto
          the order, so if anybody is looking to order stuff
          and is relatively close to Washington DC then give
          me a buzz, I've got their catalog. Or if anybody
          has any better ideas, lets hear 'em!
          A rovein' we shall go,

          David R. Bobeck
          dbobeck@ushmm.org
          202-488-6588
          202-337-1232
          Washington DC USA
          72 SerIII petrol, SWB (runs great)
          89 Honda Civic DX (great parts runner)

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:10:47 -0400
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Bike racks

Chris writes:
--------
I am interested in a rack for the back of the vehicle, but I seem to have
2 choices:

   o a very expensive Range Rover type, with which bicycles don't scratch
     the body, or
   o Canadian Tire's $100 model, which mounts on a ball hitch (which I
     would also have to buy), and scratches the RR body

Does anyone have a better solution?
--------

I'm looking myself right now, as are at least a few others on this list
I've corresponded with.  So far the options I've found are:

        Dealer Rack             $255  (with club discount, $300 regular)
        Modern Pioneering       $239 + sh  800.955.5337  ModPioneer@aol.com
        Hike a Bike  (Nimco?)   $          617.641.2043

I don't know much about any of these.  They are all reciever-hitch mounted
and at least the first two claim some sort of swinging action so that the
tailgate will operate without removing all the bikes.  I haven't been able
to reach the Nimco guy (seems like a real small operation) to get prices
and features.  It is listed in the BSROA newsletter so perhaps someone who
has seen or purchased the rack can comment?  If anyone has an opinion on
the quality of, or experience with, any of these products, I for one would
like to hear it.  I am interested in whether or not access to the rear door
is >reasonable< (I know it is >possible<) when four bikes are attached.
Also, is there any security?  I imagine a thief pulling a pin out and
walking off with all four bikes and the rack in about 2 seconds.

-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 11:26:38 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: lr supermarket

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          Greetings fellow Rover Owners,
          (I can say that now)
           I am located in Washington DC, and am planning to
          order some heavy parts from the Land Rover
          Supermarket in the UK. It looks like I'll be
          getting springs and shocks all the way around,
          even with the overseas shipping its still cheaper
          than the US suppliers. It would be more economical
          if we could piggy back as much as possible onto
          the order, so if anybody is looking to order stuff
          and is relatively close to Washington DC then give
          me a buzz, I've got their catalog. Or if anybody
          has any better ideas, lets hear 'em!
          A rovein' we shall go,

          David R. Bobeck
          dbobeck@ushmm.org
          202-488-6588
          202-337-1232
          Washington DC USA
          72 SerIII petrol, SWB (runs great)
          89 Honda Civic DX (great parts runner)

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From: Robert Watson (CNA) <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 08:45:29 TZ
Subject: RE: re:Turn Signals, CDs, Winches on the Discovery

 | From: "christian c.j. szpilfogel"  <chrisz@bnr.ca>

 | 3) I noticed that WARN has a receiver mounted winch. Anyone know the
 | weight rating for this puppy? Has anyone ever tried to mount a front
 | receiver on the Discovery? I am looking for an alternative to the
 | CDN$3000 (9000lb) winch offered by the dealer. I figured a receiver
 | mounted winch may be more practical (front/rear), affordable, and
 | vandle proof.
 |
The  Warn receiver mounted model is the X8000i (8000#), though I 
believe you can also buy the Winch and cradle separately then mix and 
match (i.e. get a bigger or smaller winch) I got a flyer from 4-Wheel 
Parts Wholesalers selling the receiver mounted 8000# Warn for US $669 
(+S&H). The cable to run to the back of the truck runs another 
~US$70.00.  Be advised, these are heavy units so watch your back when 
hefting them on and off the truck. One other tip, get the Winch 
Accessory kit (or equiv) while you're saving the $2000 over the LR 
option. They run about US$125 and come with a snatch block, tree saver 
strap, choke chain, gloves, etc. that really improve the utility of the winch.

Ramsey also makes receiver mounted winches. They offer a 5000# model 
that is on a receiver extension so you could have the winch mounted and 
still pull a trailer (though I don't know if that's a good idea). Where 
the Warn mount precludes any other receiver attachements.

I'm also curious about having a front receiver mounted on the 
Discovery. I suspect a local trailer hitch welding store could fab one 
up. I haven't priced that option yet since I have yet to buy the winch.

-- Bob W.

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:47:59 -0400
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Update on Bike carriers

This just in on Bike carriers.  Ken from Nimco called just called me.
Their rack is $175 + 17 sh.  It does NOT pivot away for tailgate operation.
It has a ski holder option, but I didn't price it.  The updated table is
shown below:

      Dealer Rack             $255  (with club discount, $300 regular)
      Modern Pioneering       $239 + sh  800.955.5337  ModPioneer@aol.com
      Hike a Bike  (Nimco?)   $175 + sh  Ken at  617.641.2043

Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: 23 Aug 1995 11:35:11 -0500
From: "Sean McInerney" <smcinerney@mail.nrgn.com>
Subject: You are not insane

You are not insane
Alan Richer writes concerning Churchill....

The way the switch is now (the big black barrel-type with the central key),
Off == off
1st position: Marker lights, no headlights
2nd position: Headlights, no marker lights
It isn't SUPPOSED to do this, is it?
Is this a wiring bodge, or is the blasted switch bad?

THE REPLY....It is my understanding that Land Rovers shipped to the US,
perhaps NA, were wired so that the markers or headlights could only be lit to
the exclusion of the other.  I do not know the rational or regulations
surrounding this seemingly contraproductive design choice, but I seem to
remember reading this arrangement as correct in some manual or other.  Maybe
the dynamo just can't handle the combined current draw of the full lighting
array <chuckle>.  This switch arrangement, by the way, also appears in my
beast.  As for apprehension when considering such as large Lucas-designed
switch...mine does work, but requires a little wiggling for the taillights to
function.  It's great for stealth mode, however. 8*)

Sean C. McInerney
1963 SIIa 88"...Bronze and topless...unlike its owner...

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:02:32 -0700
From: matts@caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Bicycle Rack for '88 Range Rover

How does the Canadian Tire rack scratch the body?

I have a generic trailer hitch rack that I bought from Performance Bicycles, 
a large mail order shop with an 800 number, and it works fine.

-Matt

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 23 Aug 95  7:48:32 EDT
Subject: More on the lights...

I think I've got it now. The running lights on the wings are
supposed to go out. 

This was not the case. ALL of the lights were going out -
tail, license plate, runners... just the headlights were on.

Armed with the knowledge presented by this august body, I went into the
panel and found Stupid Owner Trick #22 - Spliced Wires Where No Spliced Wires
Should Be.

No biggie - I just need to pick up a pack of fast-ons on the way home, as I
found this at 10PM last night by flashlight. The neighbors are beginning to
wonder about me....8*) as well they should.

Thanks again - I appreciate the help! -ajr 

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:36:41 -0700
From: matts@caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Disco trailer wiring

I bought a trailer wiring kit for my '88 Range Rover, and was also slightly 
surprised that a trailer connector was not provided, but then I considered 
that trailer connections are probably different the world over, and there 
are even multiple connection standards in the U.S.  I purchased a cheap 
4-wire male and femail connector pair at an autoparts store, and wired it 
in.  The wiring harness produces the turn signal and the brake signal 
separately, so if you're connecting to a trailer on which brake and turn 
signal feed the same bulb, you must either split them, using a diode or a 
more expensive 5-wire trailer connector, or chose one to hook up, as I ended 
up doing.

A friend and I spent several hours in the rain deciphering which wires 
should be connected where, and I still have this on paper, so if your 
interested I can write it up.

-Matt

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Subject: Disco gets dirty
From: brian.imdieke@iotp.com (BRIAN IMDIEKE)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 18:11:00 -700

CC> My only concern was in going up some of the long grades, the engine
CC> temp would start to rise if I was in high range and 1st gear
CC> (Auto/trans) 2nd gear seemed to lug. (outside air temp ~75F, elev.
CC> 2500'-4500' MSL approx 500 lbs pax and cargo in vehicle, and A/C on
CC> full ) After shifting to Low-range and leaving the auto in "3", I
CC> didn't have any more problems, but this just seemed odd to me.

The torque converter was causing that rise in temperature that you saw.
Even in 1st gear going up a steep grade in high range will cause a lot
of torque slip in the converter.  Really nothing to worry about
though....unless the temp gets REALLY high!  Using low range reduces the
load on everything prior to the axles.....

You've heard from.....

        Brian Imdieke           <brian.imdieke@iotp.com>
        Phoenix, Arizona
        USA

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:48:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Re: Bicycle Rack for '88 Range Rover

It is not the rack itself that may scratch the vehicle.

I don't have one (yet!) but it seems to me that there is so little of the 
rack for the bicycle to be attached to that one ends up bungy-cording the 
bike to the vehicle.

A friend has a rack that fits on a trunk lid.  He tells me that he gets 
scratches everytime he transports a bike.

My thinking (at this point) is that one needs something like a 5-bar gate,
attached to the vehicle via the hole for the tow hitch and the tie-down 
points on the frame.  That way, the bikes attach to the "gate", and not 
to the vehicle.

Does anyone have any advice/experience?

...chris haslam

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:22:51 -0700
From: matts@caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Rack for '88 Range Rover

>I don't have one (yet!) but it seems to me that there is so little of the 
>rack for the bicycle to be attached to that one ends up bungy-cording the 
>bike to the vehicle.

Mine works this way:

                   ----------
                  /           \   ___
            ,-----             \  |
            |_________________/ __|
               ( )         ( )

The horizontal member of the rack is one piece with three depressions, to 
which a plate with three humps attaches and screws down with two large 
plastic nut holders.  The depressions and humps are lined with rubber.  It 
looks roughly like this, side view:      

    _/\____/\____/\__   plate

    _  ____  ____  __      
   | \/    \/    \/     horizontal member
   |

You hang each bike with the top tube resting in one of the depressions, drop 
the plate on and screw it down.  The bikes don't move, and no other lashing 
is required.  I've never gotten a scratch on the vehicle.  You can even open 
the hatch without removing the rack, although you cannot drop the tail gate.  

To attach to the vehicle, you unscrew the ball from the tow hitch, sit the 
rack on the hitch, and screw the ball back on.  I don't do much towing, so I 
leave the rack attached to the removable tongue, and pop it in whenever I 
need it.  If I needed the hitch for towing, I'd probably buy another tongue. 
 It's a standard size, and can be had at any auto parts store.

-Matt

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:49:36 -0400
From: bbonner@mail.htp.com (Brian Bonner)
Subject: RE: re:Turn Signals, CDs, Winches on the Discovery

>I'm also curious about having a front receiver mounted on the 
>Discovery. I suspect a local trailer hitch welding store could fab one 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Discovery. I suspect a local trailer hitch welding store could fab one 
>up. I haven't priced that option yet since I have yet to buy the winch.
I saw an advertisement in Rovers North Catalogue. 

Class III front reciever for Disco's PN: RNA083 $195.00

8000lb warn winch with mounting bracket and electric cable PN: RNW010 896.00

Phone number 1-802-879-0032
                                        
                                   -=>Brian<=-

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:57:52 -0700
From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: More on the lights...

That is; Stupid *Previous* Owner Trick #22 - Spliced Wires Where No Spliced
Wires Should Be. All us current owners are much smarter than all those POs.

R, bg

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 15:48:38 EST
From: lenagham@bachman.com
Subject: Re[3]: Turn Signals, CDs, Winches on the Discovery

     The front receiver hitch from Rovers North also bolts directly onto 
     the Range Rover, assuming you don't have the front spoiler still 
     attached.
     
     Mike

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:17:07 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Celluloid (was RE: wwwebery)

In message Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:49:50 +1000,
  Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>  writes:

# %T Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion.

  Is that a movie that Daktari is derived from?

  I remember having seen a Clint Eastwood film where he is a movie director
  filming in Africa, but only has time to drive around in Landies and hunt
  elephants. Is that one of those below?. If not, i'm sorry that i can't
  provide a title. (And i can't get used to Clint speaking German with his
  mouth closed).

# %T Congo
# %T Mogambo
# %T The Ugly American

rgds

sv/aurens

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:17:15 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: RE: LR Supermarket

In message Wed, 23 Aug 95 09:38:44 EST,

: Greetings fellow Rover Owners,
: (I can say that now)

Did you practice? ;-)

-snip-
: Supermarket in the UK. It looks like I'll be
: getting springs and shocks all the way around,
-snip-

Springs usually comes with bushes in them. But you should consider getting
new bushes for the frame (where the shackles mount to the chassis) as well.
Quite inexpensive and makes a much different car, believe it or not. Getting
the old ones out and (ouch) the new ones in is a story of it's own.

sv/aurens
3
2
1

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 20:56:39 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: Brake pipes and flares

Although the deabte on the advisability or otherwise of copper brake 
lines seems to have died down I thought that I would add my 
experience and some information.

I have fitted copper brake lines to three vehicles over the last 10 
years, most recently to my Rover.  I've had no problems with them 
and, in my view, the risk of work hardening seems less than that of 
corrosion in the highly damaging environment of the UK.

I understand that copper was used for brake lines in some pre-war 
vehicles, in the few that had hydraulic brakes.  The only instance 
of failure that I have heard of came from my father who early in the 
second World war was stationed in Northern Ireland.  Also stationed 
there were elements of the "Royal Irish Horse" a teritorial (if 
that's the right term for part time) regiment of very superior 
pedigree.  They were equipped with the "Lawrence of Arabia" type 
armoured car: basically a Rolls Royce car chassis with armoured 
bodywork, a heavy machine gun and the distinctive Rolls grill at the 
front.  These dated from the First World War and were of little use 
new, never mind in the era of Blitzkrieg.  Being a smart regiment 
they polished everything possible on these vehicles, in particular 
the copper brake lines.  However 20 years of regular polishing had 
thinned the lines to the point where they could not withstand the 
sudden increase in useage arising out of mobilisation.  This caused 
a number of embarrasing failures....

On to more serious matters.  A source of brass fittings (UNF and 
Metric) including bleed nipples, copper brake pipe to recognised 
standards, ready made kits and flaring tools is:

Automec Equipment & Parts Ltd
36 Ballmoor,
Buckingham
MK18 1RQ
England

Tel: +44 (0)1280 822818

Fax: +44 (0)1280 823140

I have a copy of their catalogue.  I have only bought direct from 
them at autojumbles and I get the feeling that small mail orders 
would not interest them.  However give it a go; perhaps a group of 
L/R enthusiasts in the US or somewhere could put together a 
worthwhile order.

Automec's flaring tools are expensive.  A cheaper, but still 
expensive source is Sykes-Pickavant who manufacture many automotive 
tools.  The kit which I would recommend for use on British vehicles 
but which also covers the more common metric size is number 027000. 
 This has a current list price of 176.39, less discount (if you can 
get it), plus Vicious Additional Tax (if you live in the EU).  This 
is a good quality professional tool which, by the purchase of 
additional dies & punches, can be extended to cover all sizes of 
metric pipe.  I don't know if their goods are sold overseas, but 
they can take some finding over here; only their more run of the 
mill tools are "high street" items.  Their address is:

Sykes-Pickavant Ltd.
Kilnhouse Lane
Lytham St. Annes
Lancashire
FY8 3DU

Tel: +44 (0)1253 721291

Fax: +44 (0)1253 713076

As I say expensive, but might make a sensible purchase between a 
group of enthusiasts or for a club.

I would point out that I have no connection with either of the above 
concerns other than having bought their goods in the past and been 
satisfied with them.
   
-------------------------------------
Tony Chapman
HAWTEC                   Tel: +44 (0)1905 723200
Haswell House            Fax: +44 (0)1905 613338
Saint Nicholas Street    Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk

Date: 08/21/95
Time: 20:56:39

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 20:52:33 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Snorkle for Defenders ? 

Address of Mantec is:

Mantec Services (UK)
21 Odbury Road
Hartshill
Nuneaton
Warwickshire
CV10 0TD
England

Tel/Fax: +44 (0)1203 395368

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Tony Chapman
HAWTEC                   Tel: +44 (0)1905 723200
Haswell House            Fax: +44 (0)1905 613338
Saint Nicholas Street    Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk

Date: 08/21/95
Time: 20:52:33

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:06:41 -0700
Subject: LR movie sighting

OK this is only for folks with kids as the rest of you wouldn't most likely
be interested even though it is rather light hearted and fun. The movie is
"Babe" about half way in there is a 5 second spot of a RR partially blocked
by one of the actors. It is viewed from the right rear. If you are really
hard up to spot LR products and don't have kids you may still enjoy the
movie, for those of you with kids, it is good clean and enjoyable

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:30:33 +1000
From: ra.walker@qut.edu.au (Rodney Walker)
Subject: Glowing British Military 80" Landrover in Australia ?

Hi all,

I have an interesting story to tell about a Landrover that I picked up the
other day.

I went to a wrecking yard in a country town about 400km from where I live.
I've been to this yard many times as they have quite a bit of 80" Landrover
gear here. Anyway this particular time, they had just received a "new" 80"
wreck in which I duly inspected for useable/rare parts. Anyway it didn't
take long before I noticed a "ministry of supply WV3" plate on the inner
wing. It also had reflector brackets dropping down from the rear outriggers,
no drawbar mount points, a white painted rear diff with a lamp holder
mounted in front of the rear cross member aimed at the rear diff, and a
number of other military style sockets at the rear of it. It also had a
narrow and tall plate mounted on the front right wing. It was painted bright
yellow. 

I thought well it's a british military vehicle, the reg number on the plate
was 03BC23 and the chassis no: 061000724. 

So I bought this thing and dragged it home.

I didn't know how it found it's way to Aus, and was looking forward to
determining it's history. Anyway a friend of mine (who was with me that day)
went to Melbourne to see another L/R collector and he duly told him the same
story.

This guy had done some research into military vehicles in Aus, and he noted
that one of the main british military presences in Aus in the early 50's was
Maralinga (site of nuclear testing). He said that they used a number of 80"
to drive into the blast zone to take measurements of radiation. At the end
of each day the vehicles were thoroughly washed down so that they were back
to safe levels of radiation.

At about this point in the story I was becoming quite worried. 

He went on to say that any vehicles which could be cleaned enough to get the
radiation levels below safe levels were painted BRIGHT YELLOW and left in a
compound within the restricted area!

The restricted area at Maralinga is not protected or guarded, the large
radiation symbols keeps most sane people well away from the area. However if
someone was crazy enough, and if these vehicles were left unguarded in this
compound which probably would have been the case because the only people
there should be wearing radiation suits, then it would have been easy to
come across a well maintained and easily stealable landrover.

Now my friend had this thing parked in his driveway at home and was
understandably concerned. 

So it was a tense moment the next day when I turned on the geiger counter
(obtained from the physics dept.) to determine the fate of my Landy. 

We all laughed when the geiger counter only registered background radiation.
I now have this very funny photo of me going over this landy with a geiger
counter.

Can anyone shed some light onto this vehicle, I know nothing about the
british military 80"'s, and have not been able to find a good book. I
understand that there were only 150 of them and that 33 had rolls motors in
them. I'd love to know some more about them.

Rod

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rodney A. Walker                                  44 Ford GPW
Space Centre for Satellite Navigation             44 Willys MB
Queensland University of Technology               88 Cherokee
George St, Brisbane                               90 Wrangler
4000, Queensland, Australia                       85 CJ7, 85 J10
voice +61-7-8705187                               44 GPA, 44 Dodge Truck
fax   +61-7-8641517                               79 Cherokee Chief
                                                  56 CJ3B
                                                  55 Series 1 Land Rover
                                                  53 Series 1 Land Rover
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:51:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Re: Bicycle Rack for '88 Range Rover

Sounds like a great solution!

...chris

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Update on Bike carriers

I know that you really want to mount the bikes on the back...

Have you considered the roof? Seems to me that the roof is a much safer
location for the bikes.. Less crap from the road, no chance of someone
backing into them and if you buy the right type of carrier it can be used to
carry other things as well.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:45:56 -0700
From: johnliu@earthlink.net (John Y. Liu)
Subject: Was I Unreachable?

I've heard that I have not been reliably reachable by e-mail lately.  Sorry,
my Internet provider has been having all kinds of problems including
sporadic lost mail.  If someone can't seem to contact me by e-mail, try
calling 818/957-3514 (home number, soon to change but there should be a
recording with a forwarding number.)  Or just e-mail me again in a day or two.
John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:55:44 -0400
Subject: Sick and ' Tired '.........

Evening all:
A while back I posted a query about my bad luck with the OEM tires that I
bought for my 1988 Range Rover.  ( The Michelin 16" XMS type that came on
RR's originally.)  One of the tires developed a lump (broken belt) and I did
ball joints,  alignment,  balancing,  steering damper all before realizing
that it was simply the tire itself that was jerking the steering wheel out my
hand.    Another tire developed dozens of tiny pin-hole size slow
leaks....even on the sidewalls.    The local Michelin dealer is going to
offer me an 'Adjustment' (read 'Rape') which is still un-negotiated.   Most
of my driving is 98% on the road though I still want a somewhat aggressive
tread....just not *too* noisy on the pavement.    Anyone had any experience
with Dunlop brand 'Radial Rovers' or Goodyear brand 'Wranglers'....?    Are
the sidewalls stiff enough considering the inherent body roll of the Range
Rovers.....?    How 'bout the noise factor?    Any other suggestions are
welcome.......wouldn't mind using a bit wider and larger tire if they will
fit correctly.
Thanks to all......this is a great service to us Landie freaks......!
Cordially:
Rick Crider   KD4FXA
<rickcrider@aol.com>
' 66 SIIA  109"    (Hugo)   .....and still for sale......
' 73 SIII   88"     (Jesse)
' 88 Range Rover      ........the daily pack mule.......

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:32:15 -0400
From: Andrew Steele <ad158@dayton.wright.edu>
Subject: Bike rack & rover in Maine

Hello,

I recently stumbled onto a sale at Meijer's (large superstore selling
everything) and found a Reese brand bike rack fitting two bikes.  It was on
sale for something like $84 or there-abouts.  It is made to fit the smallest
size receiver, but also came with a sleeve to fit the 2 inch receiver.  It
seems to work well, holds my bike secure, but wobbles in the receiver because
of the sleeve.  (A quick weld to attach the sleeve permanently will fix that).
 It clears the body work on my 87 RR, but does not fold down out of the way
like more expensive racks.

Re: Rover 4-sale in Maine.

Price sounds a little high?  I just bought a 1973 88 of similar description
for a little less than $1,000; but I could not hear it run or drive it first
either.  I used a U-Haul auto transport to move it.  Because of the short
wheelbase, be prepared to take your own tie-down straps because the one
connected to the transport are in the wrong position to get a good balance of
weight over the wheels.

Andrew
and Lum (Great Dane mix)
Dayton, Oh

1973 88
1987 RR (Damn, did I hit the garage again and get another dent? yep.)

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Any discos for sale
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 19:36:33 PDT

My friend Pat who I loaned my R-Rover to for the LRNA Rally
has caught the Land rover bug. He is looking for a good used disco.
If you see any please Email me.

burns@cisco.com
Thanks
Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
94 D-90

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From: Swizzle428@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 23:02:02 -0400
Subject: File attachments

Please forgive my ignorance, but I've been out of town for a couple of weeks
and apparently missed the brief.  What is in the mime attachments to the lro
digest and what Rosetta stone do I need to translate them?

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:02:38 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool)
Subject: 2-bbl Weber on Series III

Hope someone can give me some assistance here:

I have a 2-bbl Weber carb on a Pierce manifold.  It was on a Series II so
had no need for PCV fitting or vaccuum connector for the brake booster.  I
want to fit the whole assembly on my Series III, replacing my Zenith (not
the original smog Zenith).  The Zenith has a fitting at the base of the carb
for connecting the hose from the PCV valve.  The Weber, as far as I can see,
has no place to hook in the PCV valve hose.  The Pierce manifold has two
large bolts in the top, as plugs, one at the front, where I will put the
vaccuum fitting for the brake booster, and another balancing it in the rear.
Is there some fitting for this rear hole to accept the PCV valve hose and
will this work?  Or does the PCV valve have to connect right into the base
of the carb?

Those answering from the main LRO list will do me a big favor by e-mailing
me direct, as I don't read the digest regularly (time).  Thanks in advance
for any help you can give on this.

Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, CA   (707)485-7220 (home)
<gpool@pacific.pacific.net>             (707)463-4265 (work)
Land-Rover Series III 88 (The Snark), more Land-Rovers, Austin Champ, ...

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:02:22 +1000
From: "Peter Blackwood" <cyland@peg.apc.org> (Peter Blackwood)
Subject: Reply: Starting problems in hot climates

>From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
>Subject: Starting Problems: Fuel Vapourisation?

>Over the past few weeks I have been having problems with starting my
>2286 petrol SIIA when it has been standing for more than 15 minutes.

My SIII V8 used to give helluva trouble starting when warm when I lived in
Alice Springs - particularly in summer when the temp. is commonly in
exccess of 40 deg. C.   It has the original twin corbutrettors (same as RR)
and I'm sure the problem is just fuel vapourisation.  Sounds exactly the
same.  If re-started almost immediately, no problem, but if left for 10 -
15 minutes, it was always touch and go which would happen first -  the
motor starting or the battery dying.

Several solutions were suggested to me:  1. Raise bonnet slightlyto allow
better ventilation, or open bonnet completely when stopped. 2. wrap a wet
towel around the carburettors when stopped. 3. adjust the float level
(can't now remember whether up or down!). 4. replace with after-market
carburettor(s). 5. Move to a cooler climate.  In the end, I did the latter,
which seems to have solved the problem!   The only other one I tried was
opening up the bonnet every time I left the vehicle, and this, too, seemed
to work O.K.

While on the topic of fuel and the 3.5L V8, at the suggestion of a long
time LR dealer, to improve consumption I have advanced the timing to about
8 deg. BTDC (manufacturer's recommended setting is TDC).  This seems to
have worked O.K., improving things by up to 1 or 2 litres per 100Km out of
town.  The motor also seems to run cooler with this advance.  However, I am
a bit concerned about other possible negative effects this might be having
on the motor.  Has any one else ever tried this, or is able to re-assure
me, or otherwise, on this score?

Peter Blackwood
Cairns, Queensland, Australia

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 00:56 EDT
From: jhoward@atlas.usno.navy.mil (James D. Howard)
Subject: Re: Mysteries...

> The leaking silencer also doesn't help as it will reduce the back
> pressure and cause the mixture to lean out, which also causes hot
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> geography on your side of the Atlantic!) the mixture will also be
> leaned out and cause the problems.

Moving from low to high alititude RICHENS the mixture.  The hole the
fuel goes through stays the same, but the amount of air passing
through the carb decreases.

I know this because I just moved my Land Rover from 1500 (or whatever
the altitude in Phoenix, Arizona is) to 700 feet.  You should have
seen the soot on those spark plugs before I rejetted the carb.

James Howard			jhoward@argus.lowell.edu
1972 SIII 88 "Ephraim"		Flagstaff, Arizona, USA

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:25:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Celluloid (was RE: wwwebery)

Clinton's German was pretty mush-mouthed, but at least he didn't say he 
was a jelly doughnut like Kennedy did.  (Ich bin ein Berliner???)

Prost!
John
San Francisco, California

On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, Soren Vels Christensen wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> In message Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:49:50 +1000,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 25 lines)]
> rgds
> sv/aurens

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