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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 07:01:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: radiator hoses

Brian,

> three years old with 45,000 on the clock.  I live in Phoenix, AZ (HOT).
> It's time to change the coolant (three years) so I'm wondering about the
> hoses.......

    I guess it depends on how you use the vehicle and how big an impact
    it would ever be to stop and change a hose by the side of the road
    or out in the woods (by Murphy's Law, this would be on the hottest
    day of the year...)

    If that's the kind of adventure you live for, pack a spare set of
    hoses in one of the nooks or crannies of the vehicle, and drive the
    existing ones until they break.  They'll probably go 100,000 miles
    easy.

    If you prefer your repairs to be under more controlled
    circumstances, then go ahead and replace them all when you replace
    the coolant, since you'll have drained the system anyway.  I assume
    you're talking Range Rover (3 years old) so I don't know how much
    the hoses cost...but for a Land Rover you might be talking $30 for
    the main hoses, and just buy the heater hose by the foot instead of
    paying $40 for the official ones.  $30 or so every three years
    doesn't seem too onerous.  And then you toss the used-but-still-good
    hoses in a nook or cranny just in case.

    Duncan

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 07:29:58 EST
Subject: Windscreen Glass, Heated & Prices

Bill Maloney listed '94 and '95 prices for various Series 
parts, including $191.00 and $223.50 respectively for 
windscreen glass.  Well, I just got my pair of heated 
windscreen glass slabs from Craddock's -- at less than 
$100.00 each; no VAT.  (Purchase prompted by this list -- 
thanks!)  The "export carriage charge" was L60, though.  
What is this?  Shipping, or what?  (Hope it flew Concorde 
for that rate!)

Technical observations:  Received two identical pieces, P/N 
348428 -- Are they designed to be interchangeable 
left-to-right?

The wires in the glass are nearly invisible, even up close!  
This is important to those of us who are righteous about our 
"Jurassic trucks" looking original.

No switch, wiring, etc., was included.  Is this a separate 
P/N?  Can someone who has gotten "the whole kit" please send 
me specific details of the other items.

I do not plan on installing any time soon, but since doing 
glass installation in door tops was so esay, anticipate no 
problems.

Regards,
Hank
(1960 Ser II Long Station Wagon)

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From: dotti@joburg.enet.dec.com
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 14:05:42 MET DST
Subject: Q: performance differences TDi - Discovery vs Defender 110 SW

       Are there performance differences between Discovery 5doors and
       Defender 110 SW country, both equipped with the same turbo diesel
       engine? real top speed?

       Thks, E.

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Date: 15 Aug 95 08:10:09 EDT
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: Bulkhead covers

I tried to order a rubber bulkhead cover from RN to fit my 109 6cyl NADA
wagon.They told me that they are not available for the 6cyl bulkhead.I really
need to cover the bare metal with something so I can reduce the noise and heat
inside.
Does anyone have suggestions where I can get the cover to fit my wagon?
Thanks for any advise I get.
Benjamin G. Newman
Olando Fl.
1966 109 NADA wagon
1962 Ser 111(rebuilt) 88 3 dr
1995 RR 4.0 SE

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Date: 15 Aug 95 08:34:35 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Got my seat

Just wanted to send a quick endorsement of BLRS Land Rover in the UK... they
definitely have their act together.

I ordered (by fax) a rear (inward facing) bench seat in Neptune Cloth to install
in my U.S. Spec. D90.  It arrived in less than 3 weeks!

I need to make a few modifications to fit it to a D90... not the least of which
is some spacers to set the back awat from the diagonal roll cage support brace.
I am also going to put a backing on the seat since the backer board is still
unfinished.  But, overall, the cost was (delivered) about 1/3rd the cost of
ordering a vinyl seat from Rovers North.  

If anyone is interested in inward facing seat(s) for a D90... I'll write up the
installation in a week or so when I have time to fabricate the spacers and bolt
it in.

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:24:55 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: radiator hoses

>     the hoses cost...but for a Land Rover you might be talking $30 for
>     the main hoses, and just buy the heater hose by the foot instead of
>     paying $40 for the official ones.  $30 or so every three years
>     doesn't seem too onerous.  And then you toss the used-but-still-good
>     hoses in a nook or cranny just in case.

$30.00!!!
Don't get them yet. I'll post the Gates PN tomorrow for at least the
top hose, which set me back all of $3.xx (admitedly it was on sale 
for about 20% off). It's a perfect fit molded hose with just some 
trimming on each end needed.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:53:30 -0400
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Possible RR, newer truck parts on the net.

I just ran across a manhattan dealer who sells parts over the net.  The URL
is http://www.starweb.net/zumbach.html.  One of the marques shown on the
home page is LR.  Since I'm looking for a bike carrier, I placed a request
to the system.  It seemed to just email it to the dealer (Zumbach Sports
Cars).  No reply as of yet.

Someone called "realnet" raves about their service.  Apparently they also
have used LRs for sale.  The form you fill in is quite odd.  You basically
tell them what you wnat, rather than looking at what they have.

Anybody got any info on these guys?

-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 07:32:49 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Congrat's! I got my 109 from Potsdam too!

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Congrat's! I got my 109 from Potsdam too!
David,

I too, got my LR from Potsdam NY! Bought it from Jack Geise. Mine is a
1970 109 IIa, and I drove it (sight unseen) from NY to Maine, then back
through Vermont, across Canada, through Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois,
etc... etc... etc... all the way to my home in Mesa Arizona. (Near
Phoenix) All in all, a WONDERFUL trip! Brought my 15 yr. old son with
me, camped or spent nights with relatives all but 1 night. (NEEDED a
shower!) I have dual heaters, and even with both running, it was a very
cold ride, very drafty, these old beasts! We brought a personal
"walkman" type stereo, and 2 headphones, and ONE tape. (I think I know
EVERY word on the U2 "Auchtung Baby" tape!) 4500 miles (plus/minus, no
speedometer or odometer working) with the only problem being a loose
wire to the points inside the distributor.

The only tools I brought: Hammer, crescent (adjustable) wrench, one of
each type screwdriver, roll of electrical tape, pliers, and a pair of
vice grips. Gutsy? you say? I'd say... more like stupid! But.... it
worked! Oh yeah! and a pocket knife.

All in all, with plane tickets, gas, food, hotel, fuel cap (lost in
Michigan) it was far more expensive to drive it home verses shipping...
but the memories and bonding time with my son were well worth the price!
He's caught the LR fever too! Wants a D-90, and is even saving his $ for
it. (Has around $200 so far.) Anyone want to contribute? ;-)

Jack, if you're there... "hi" Still loving the 109!

Take care...

Dave (road trip) Brown.

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 10:52:02 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Off we go...

          Greetings- don't know if this got out yesterday.
           I've included email address this time.

          500 miles north into the "wild country" of upstate
          New York, to fetch my first Rover, a SIII swb,
          currently owned by Guy Arnold. I'm driving up with
          my Honda, a tankful of rice, a lot of tools, and
          last but not least, my friend Nancy (god bless
          her). Spares for the trip back, plus a LR key fob,
          are being sent to Guy's house in Potsdam.  We'll
          be caravanning back, since towing isn't an option
          (the Landy can do the job, but I've been told not
          to do it) We plan on camping at least one night on
          the way back, as well as taking the scenic route
          along Lake Ontario. All this should add up to at
          least a mild adventure, but not totally Roveresque
          since there won't be any lions, rhinos, or
          off-road driving involved (Honda's ground
          clearance is about two inches). By the way, Sandy
          and Dixon, mebership checks are in zee mail.
          Thanks everybody who pitched in with helpful
          advice, and not so helpful advice too.
           Cheers
          David
                                   ____________
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          72 SIII swb            I
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 09:05 MST
From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II)
Subject: Re: Hose advice

>OK all, how often should I replace my cooling system hoses?  My car is
>three years old with 45,000 on the clock.  I live in Phoenix, AZ (HOT).
>It's time to change the coolant (three years) so I'm wondering about the
>hoses.......

Replace them.  They are cheap insurance.

I bought my 72 SIII in March, and got around to changing the hoses a
couple of weeks ago.  The top hose looked fine, but I was changing the
coolant anyway.  The intermediate hose was interesting.  It had
*never* been changed.  At least it looked like it, and there is no
record of it in the PO's pile of receipts.  It only has 83,000 miles
on it, but it lived all its life in Phoenix.  It had several cracks,
some of which were almost all the way through.  I believe I know just
how long a radiator hose will last.  If you plan on keeping you Land
Rover forever, I would change the coolant every year.  Especially with
one of those newfangled aluminum engines.

James Howard			jhoward@argus.lowell.edu
1972 SIII 88 "Ephraim"		Flagstaff, Arizona, USA

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 09:39:01 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: D90 tyres

While in Boston last week I came across a newish D90 that had 265/75R16 BF 
Goodrich All Terrains on all five.  It looked to have come from the dealer with 
them (car looked new, spare never been on road, high number on rear plate)

It was my understanding that all US spec D90s came with 265/75R16 B F Goodrich 
Mud Terrains.  Am i mistaking?  Are the Mud terrains for the west & all terrains
for the east?

TeriAnn

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Date: 15 Aug 95 13:11:26 EDT
From: Cliff  Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com>
Subject: Copy of: Re: Early (US spec) Range Rover details

FROM:	Cliff  Kavanaugh, 76262,1154
TO:	INTERNET:lenagham@bachman.com, INTERNET:lenagham@bachman.com
DATE:	8/15/95 1:00 PM

Re:	Copy of: Re: Early (US spec) Range Rover details

Mike, I just returned from the dealer who serviced my EFI light problem.  You
were right the computer said faulty water temp sensor.  The problem was a dirty
contact.  Seems to be resolved.  The mechanic took me under the chassis and
pointed out:
gap in right rear suspension bushing     leaky power steering box
front  wheel baring seals                            leaky power steering pump
switches for electric seats are faulty. It is as if he read your message before
hand.
I have one to add to the list for you:  a fiber optic cable to the speedometer
has worked loose and is not illuminating the needle-seems to be a common problem
as well.  The "metal foot steps/running boards" are beginning to rust and the
powder seal is coming off, do you know of where/how one might go about
refurbishing those powder coated steps? Is it something that can be done by some
local business? 
The Dealer had a book that indicated that there were 3,427 RR sales for 1988.
Also the 1988 was code named "Messenger." The book also mentioned a style (like
mine) with interior wood trim and door pulls, leather seats ,A/C and
sunroof.-It was called the Vogue. Cool Huh? Thank you for your valuable help.
I'll watch those problem areas you mentioned. Cheers Cliff

>.

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Date: 15 Aug 95 13:12:19 EDT
From: Cliff  Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com>
Subject: Copy of: Re: EFI Warning Light

FROM:	Cliff  Kavanaugh, 76262,1154
TO:	INTERNET:lenagham@bachman.com, INTERNET:lenagham@bachman.com
DATE:	8/15/95 1:12 PM

Re:	Copy of: Re: EFI Warning Light

Mike,  The blue book on my 1988 Range Rover was $14,000.  Minus $2250-$2500 for
excess milage(113,400).  I stumbled on it in  the used car portion of a new car
dealer who got it from a used car dealer who took it in trade for a used
Mercedes. The sales manager had been driving it and it had not been placed into
inventory when I took for $10,300 as is.  Had a LR/RR mechanic look it over
today and it  is in great condition except for the same problem areas you
mentioned  previously. I feel confident that I got a good deal-but I should have
since I took the risk buyingWhat I most proud of is I got it with 8.25%
financing X48mos vs 12.5%x36 months

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Date: 15 Aug 95 13:19:29 EDT
From: Cliff  Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com>
Subject: Classified

I saw the following ad in the Richmond VA  Times Dispatch: LR-"72 SWB
$7,500./Best Offer 804-979-7937.
 I also noticed the Richmond VA  Land  Rover dealer 804-378-8018 has three 1992
RRs from$22,000-$26,000.
  Cheers Cliff

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:24:08 -0500
From: elsmain!wmaloney@els004.attmail.com (William Maloney)
Subject: Re: Speedo Calibration Numbers (is that for swimsuits?)

Duncan helped out:

>All of my Series II speedometers have the number "1504"...15" wheels 

That sounds about right.  What I have seen so far:

109 metric, 16" wheels,  880 (x 1.61 = 1417 in miles)
88  metric, 15" wheels,  940 (x 1.61 = 1513 in miles)

109 miles,  16" wheels, 1408 (Steve Denis's 109)
88  miles,  15" wheels, 1504 (Duncan's 88)
88  miles,  15" wheels, 1536 (My old broken speedometer)

Thanks Duncan and to Steve Denis for explaining the calibration numbers 
to me.  It seems as though the 88 speedos for 15" wheels run from 1504 to 
1536 (revs per mile?) and the 109s with 7.50x16s run from 1408 to 1417.  If 
anyone else has a moment and can check their 109 speedo in miles, I'd 
appreciate it.  It's a 4 digit number on the face usually towards the bottom 
of the dial.  I'd just like to get a couple of other figures before I send my 
88 speedo in for repair and conversion to 16" wheel specs.

Thanks,

Bill

wmaloney@els004.attmail.com
(Duncan, the Speedo Swimsuit #s are 38, 24, 36. 8-o)
>.

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:30:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: D90 tyres

On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> While in Boston last week I came across a newish D90 that had 265/75R16 BF 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> for the east?
> TeriAnn
Dear TeriAnn 
'94 D90s came with BFG Mud Terrains; and 95s with BFG All Terrains.
Switch was supposedly made because the All Terrains are smoother on paved 
roads...

David Rosenbaum
'94 D90 [still unnamed.....]

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: D-90 Tires
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 10:38:41 PDT

To TeriAnne,

You were not seeing things with the D-90 tires. Land-Rover started 
putting the non mud tires on the def-90s, I think starting mid way in
1995. I asked the dealer about this and he stated that the mud tires
were not practical for every day driving and made to much noise.

Well, this may be true, but I bought my def-90 for real off-road
and not to drive to the mall and back, If I bought a def-90 with
the non mud tires I would make the dealer switch them before I took
the truck home.

    
Leland J. Roys
Cupertino, California
'94 Defender 90 (Red)
roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com

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Subject: Re: -No Subject-
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:50:15 +0100 (BST)
From: "Sean Leviseur" <sean@novell.co.uk>

I have an ex-MOD series III 109 Safari that was winterised by the
MOD. As far as I can see all they did was move the battery under
the drivers seat, and add an extra heater unit that replaces the
centre seat on the front row.

The heater is roughly an 18" cube with a large blower fitted to the
front. It is feed by a 1/2" pipe, via an internal valve, from the
block and is entirely seperate from the normal series III heater
that is still there. The heater has 4 2" diameter tubes leading to
vents over the front side windows and windscreen. There is an electric
heater element in the unit as well - but we never got that to work.

We used this quite happily in the Alps all last winter and except
for burns from a brass nut on the unit it worked very well!!

	sean

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Subject: A Newbie Leaves the Pavement (long)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Doug Carmean" <dcarmean@ichips.intel.com>

I participated in one of the off road clinics that the local LR dealer
held this weekend and thought I'd pass along the experience.  The
clinic was held at a very large farm about 20 miles west of Portland.
This particular weekend, there was a steeple chase event happening as
part of the Waverly Country days.  

We showed up about half and hour before the clinic was to start.  We
were whisked off to the special LR parking area where there were about
35 various LRs parked.  The participants were mostly RRs and Discos,
I'd say maybe 20 RRs and 15 Discos.  There were also two newer
Defenders and one new 110 there.  I was the only one with a 4.0 SE.  I
was very pleased to see two Series III 88's there along with two older
Series II(?) 109s.  One of the 109s had a military body with a diesel
RR engine.  I was most impressed by the snorkel that this individual
had cooked up for his pride and joy.  The snorkel exited the passenger
side of the engine compartment and ran along the side of the
windshield to the roof line.  A very impressive looking beast indeed!

The clinic itself consisted of a local expert (Doug Shirley(?)) giving
a short, 10 minute talk on some of the principles of off road driving.
He pointed out the high & low points of the RRs and the Discos.  Then,
a guy from LR North America gave a short talk about the diff's and
shifting into low.  The 4.0 SE has an H shaped shifter, where you keep
it on the left side of the H for normal driving, and on the right side
for off road.  I dropped the thing into Low-Drive on the right side of
the H, and we were off.  The Disco in front of me had some locking the
diffs, but after some fiddling by the local expert, she was rolling
also. 

The course started with some moderate hills that ran through a pasture
area.  After about a mile we came to a steep embankment that led up to
a road along a ridge.  Watching the first Disco pull up the embankment
and hang the very sharp left onto the ridge got my hear beating.
While this looked hairy, it turned out to be cakewalk for the RR.
However, while driving along the ridge, one of the Discos put a tire
off and went sliding down the embankment.  It was with some amusement
that I found out that the Disco had been purchased just the day
before.  After gathering the appropriate number of on-lookers, and a
short discussion, the local expert hopped in the Disco, drove it the
rest of the way down the embankment, and then back up.  A pretty
impressive maneuver.

We continued to a small wooded section where we navigated through some
very tight areas with only inches on either side.  The ground was
pretty muddy, and was full of downed logs.  I watched as the Disco in
front of me powered over one of the larger logs.  The wheels were
spinning pretty good, and the lady got the Disco moving sideways, but
managed to pull over in good shape.  I approached the same log and the
RR's traction control system came on.  The traction control announced
its presence with a loud beep and a message in the Information Display
that read "Traction Control".  There were some loud clicking sounds
from underneath the dash area that sounded quite a bit like relays
tripping very quickly.  We pulled over the log without any problem,
and without any wheels slipping.

Next was a stream crossing.  The convoy headed down a fairly steep
section that led to the stream.  We had to stop at this point where
the lady in the Disco ahead let her kids out of the car.  They looked
pretty freaked out by the whole thing.  The stream seemed to be ~3
feet deep, and was a total non-event for everyone.  It was kind of
cool to plow through the water.

We headed off to another open area where we all got out of our LRs and
the local expert instructed on the next set of obstacles.  The first
was a ditch traversal that he demonstrated in a Disco.  It was quite
impressive to watch this thing navigate a pretty deep ditch with just
3 wheels touching the ground.  He headed up a steep hill that had some
more logs setup part way up the hill.  Next came the highlight of the
course: a 12-foot 'cliff'.  I was shocked to watch the Disco plunge
off the cliff, back wheels in the air, and come to rest serenely at
the bottom.

This time, I followed a LWB RR over the course.  The guy in front of
me crunched his undertray hard navigating the ditch.  This caused me
to take a real whimpy section of the ditch to make sure I didn't
damage my beauty.  With the exception of the minor crunch, both RRs
navigated the ditch effortlessly.  It was pretty cool to watch the RR
drop a wheel into the ditch, looking a lot like somebody sticking
their toe into a pit, feeling for the bottom.  The uphill section with
the logs was another no-brainer.  I watched the other RR plunge off
the cliff and come out just fine.  I pulled up the the edge, and asked
meekly asked one of the spotters if he was sure that my beast could
handle the cliff.  After dropping it into the downhill Low setting, we
plunged off the cliff.  It was very exciting, but the RR handled this
feat without even grunting.  One of the spectators said that the
4.0 SE looked cleaner going over the cliff than the older LWB RR.

We got out and watched the other LRs navigate the little obstacle
course.  The Series III 88's took the cliff like it was a parking lot
speed bump.  The Defenders also looked quite very good, but didn't
have the 'no sweat' look of the Series III.  It was a blast to watch
the Discos get their rear wheels up in the air and then land gently on
the bottom.  Pretty impressive show.  I would like to have seen a Jeep
Cherokee or an Ford Explorer do this little section of the course.

The course continued with some more ups, downs, and tight bits.  It
must have been about 5 miles long, and took us maybe 1.5 hours to
navigate through the whole thing.  The LR people provided food and
drinks after the little event.  The guy from LR North America came by
and showed me some of the little known secrets of the 4.0 SE.  He also
confirmed that LR is going to import the 4.6 HSE to the States later
this year.  This was a very enjoyable experience, and has made me look
at RRs in a whole different light.  My luxo-cruiser is definitely a
very capable off road vehicle.  I highly recommend attending any
similar events that might be held near you.

Doug Carmean
1995 RR 4.0SE - MTYDOG
dcarmean@ichips.intel.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 10:37:52 PDT
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: D90 tyres

To many tire noise complaints from '94 D90 yuppie owners/potential buyers/
magazine reviews/etc.  95's come standard with All Terrains, Mud Terrains 
are optional. 

I've heard this the real reason for LR pulling the D90 off the market.
BMW is worried the new kindler/gentler/yuppified D90 will start
eating into their 325i Convertible market:-)

-Rick
'94 D90

>From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com Tue Aug 15 10:07:25 1995
>Return-Path: <LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
>Mud Terrains.  Am i mistaking?  Are the Mud terrains for the west & all terrains
>for the east?
>TeriAnn

----- End Included Message -----

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:59:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Classified

Cliff,

> I saw the following ad in the Richmond VA  Times Dispatch: LR-"72 SWB
> $7,500./Best Offer 804-979-7937.

    That phone number is in Charlottesville (I live 5 minutes North of
    Charlottesville.)  It sounds like the one I've seen sitting in a
    parking lot with a for sale sign, though I believe he was asking
    $8000 or $8500 at the time.  It had a brand new paint job.  I don't
    know about you, but I'm instantly suspicious of a Land Rover with a
    new paint job.  Either he's hiding something...or he had confused
    priorities- paint is the VERY LAST thing you do to a Land Rover,
    once every single mechanical part is perfect!  (Well, that's the
    rumor anyway, I've never known anyone who reached that point, heh
    heh heh...)

    Duncan

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: 1995 Def-90
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 11:13:12 PDT

To TeriAnne,

More info on the Def-90. I also noticed that the 1995 Def-90s have changed
in other ways from my 1994 Def-90. Differences I noticed:

1. Non mud tires (smaller tires) than the 1994 version.
2. Round lights in the back and larger turn signal lamps in the front.
3. A door stop mechanism (to hold the door in the open position).
4. Fabric padding under the driver and passenger seat (I am not to sure
    if this is new or mine was missing an option in '94)

The only change I wish I had on the '94 is the door stop, my doors are
constantly whacking my ass when I try to reach back in the truck! (must
be spring loaded or something), I don't like the smaller tires or the
round lights.

Leland J. Roys
Cupertino, California
'94 Defender 90 (Red)
roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:48:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: 1995 Def-90

On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Leland J Roys wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> To TeriAnne,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> be spring loaded or something), I don't like the smaller tires or the
> round lights.
Dear Leland:
The padding under the seats is new for '95, probably part of the 
"increased sound-proofing" added this year. As a fellow D90 owner, do you 
think that such a thin pad would make any difference? .................
......I can't hear you

David Rosenbaum
'94 D90

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 14:39:05 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Off we go...

          1972 Series III Land-Rover Short-Wheel Base

               /^--^--^--^\        /^--^--^--^\
              /~~~~~~~~\      ~~~~~||~~~~~
            Q            O  Q   /  ||  \   O
             \----------/    \-/!!!!!!!!\-/
             d^G   ^A      ^Gb    d~~~~^A^A^A^A~~~~b
             
  ______  
    {O}^A^A^A^A^A^A{O}
             ====    ^A^A
              \=====O==/     ===O======^P
         __________________________________________

                   How 'bout that!!!

            -DaveB.
            dbobeck@ushmm.org
           Washington DC USA

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Subject: Re: Possible RR, newer truck parts on the net. 
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:25:12 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Bob Virzi wrote:
 
> I just ran across a manhattan dealer who sells parts over the net.  The URL
> is http://www.starweb.net/zumbach.html.  

	I also ran across them the other day.
  
> Someone called "realnet" raves about their service.  Apparently they also
> have used LRs for sale.  The form you fill in is quite odd.  You basically
> tell them what you wnat, rather than looking at what they have.

	It is very odd that a business won't let you brouse through what they
have for sale (They only entertain specific requests).  And that they require
you to give your name, address, phone number, etc. before they will tell you
anything feels a bit odd to me.   So they loose a potential customer.  There
are other vendors.   At least they don't ask for your credit card number up
front.
 
Ben
----------------
 Benjamin Smith
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake
 bens@vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Last of the defenders?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 15:36:18 PDT

Is it true that 1995 is the last year for Def-90s? The reason I ask is that
I noticed the local Land Rover dealership is really ramping up on Def-90s
When I bought mine 4+ months ago, they only had one 1994 red one, now they
have 4 brand new Defender-90s 3 green and one red. 

Does this mean they are getting rid of the last of them, or are they going 
to continue to make them?

Leland J. Roys
Cupertino, California
'94 Defender 90 (Red)
roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com

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Subject: Re: Last of the defenders? 
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:18:10 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199508152335.SAA25086@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:
  
> Is it true that 1995 is the last year for Def-90s? 

	According to the current statements by Land Rover, there will be no
1996 US Spec. Defender 90.  They are currently making a batch of '95 D90 US
Spec hardtops and that production will end in December 1995.  Stated reason
for ending the D90 in the US is that it would cost too much to change the
D90 to pass US DOT laws to meet 1996 regulations.    Origionally LR said that
thre would only be 3000 US D90s, and based on 1994 sales (~1500), and assuming
that 1995 sales are similar, that would come to about 3000. 

	Rumor has it that US spec D-90s will be sold in the UK and France next
year.  LRW reported that 1998 Defenders will meet US DOT spec.  (Whether they
will be imported to the US then is anyone's guess)  Rumor also has it that
there will be no 1996 Jeep Wrangler either.

Ben

----------------
 Benjamin Smith
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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From: Wolfhound9@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:19:29 -0400
Subject: Re: #2(2) The Land Rover Owne...

As a new owner of a Disco, could anyone tell me if it is possible to purchase
a heavy type of mat designed for the cargo area with the seats folded up.
 All I seem to locate are mats for behind the back seats.  The man at British
Pacific suggested that I try to find a source in England.  Any information
appreciated!

Karen Frederick (wolfhound9@aol.com)

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Date: 15 Aug 95 21:22:50 EDT
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Speedometers

Bill Maloney      
  the speedometer for a Land rover with 7.50 x 16 tyres is 1400 revs per mile,
for a 600 / 650 tyre it is 1500 revs per mile. This is worked on the rolling
radius  of the tyre, not on the wheel rim size,
 The michelin tyre data book lists the outside dia as below
size             outside dia                   loaded radius           revs per
mile
7.50 x 16    802 mm    31.6 in            372 mm 14.6 in         652           
7.00 x 16    784 mm     30.9 in           365 mm  14.4 in        671
6.50 x 16    .742 mm    29.2 in         345 mm  13.6 in         707
205 x 16     736 mm     29 in             337 mm  13.3 in        721
7.50 x 15    772 mm    30.4 in          346 mm  13.6 in         697
6.70 x 15     712 mm  28 in               331 mm   13 in           733

 Hope this is of some use 

 Regards   Bill  Leacock   Limey in exile.

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From: DieselBobI@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:10:04 -0400
Subject: Re: #2(2) The Land Rover Owne...

on a different note, ROAV has a work weekend planned for  Penlan Farm this
weekend. Looks like we might have an unwelcome visitor by the name of FELIX
!!!!! seems that in traditional manner rain will be falling. waves of 15-20
ft. swells, 85-105 mi. gusts, and a storm surge  of 5-8 ft. Boy am i gonna
have apples everywhere

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:15:34 EDT
From: "Paul M. Brodie  usssbkpy@ibmmail.com" <usssbkpy@ibmmail.com>
Subject: D90 for Sale

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Subject: D90 for sale
Date: August 15, 1995
From: Paul M. Brodie <usssbkpy@ibmmail.com>

Sadly, I'm forced to part with my beloved D90 due to financial constraints.
I am looking for a good home for my friend:

    1994 Red Defender 90
    ====================
      o NAS Defender 90, # 1255
      o 11K miles
      o Service is up to date
      o Oil changed regularly (3K miles)

    LR Extras (this baby is LOADED)
    ---------
      o Full front bull bar
      o Rear safari cage extension
      o Full canvas top
      o Bimini top (never used)
      o Running boards
      o Rear lamp guards
      o Rear tire cover w/LR logo
      o Air conditioner (it works really well !)
      o Rear seat
      o 5 spoke aluminum alloy wheels
      o Locking wheel nuts

    Non-LR Extras
    -------------
      o LOJAK (lifetime coverage paid) (a $700 value)
      o Locking gas cap
      o Matching underseat waterproof Master Locks
      o Blind spot mirrors (attached to side mirrors)

The car has been garaged since I bought it, and has had loving treatment. It
has been off-road (Cape Cod, over the dunes), and has had the undercarriage
seals attended to (per a thread on the LRO). It currently lives in the greater
Boston area.

LR List Price: $32,379 (excluding LOJAK)
Asking  Price: $26,000 (including everything)

If you're interested, please contact me directly at one of the following:

         E-mail: usssbkpy@ibmmail.com

   Office Phone: (617) 985-9111
                 I'm in from 9 AM - 5 PM, Eastern time zone (Boston)
                 This phone has voice mail - leave a message

     Home Phone: (617) 731-5559
                 This phone also has voice mail - leave a message

Paul M. Brodie                 #======#
'94 Red D90                    |+--+|  \
it can be yours .....          |+--+|---\___
usssbkpy@ibmmail.com           | _  |D90|_  |}
(617) 731-5559          * * * ==(_)"""""(_)""

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Last of the defenders? 

I had to throw in my two cents worth of Jeep knowledge on the 96 Jeep 
thing.  There will be a very limited number of 96 Jeep Wranglers made.  
They will be 96 model year vehicles on paper only there will be ZERO 
changes from 95.  The  96 models will have a short life span as the "all 
new" 97 Wranglers with the 16" wheels and round headlights will be 
brought out in the early summer/late spring of 97.  Thats it as far as I 
know...

cheers
Russ

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:25:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Last of the defenders?

On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Leland J Roys wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Is it true that 1995 is the last year for Def-90s? The reason I ask is that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> Cupertino, California
> '94 Defender 90 (Red)
> roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com
'95 is the last year for LRNA D90's. Previously in the digest it has been 
reported that '95 hardtops will be introduced this fall in small numbers 
and that their sale will continue into '96, but as the '95 model.
The Seattle LR dealership simply said that 95 was the last year.......
The last time I drove by the Seattle dealer, there were *no* D90s out 
front: the display area was occupied by Discoverys and Range Rovers
David Rosenbaum

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:02:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Two simple questions

For the distributor, put a rubber surgical glove over the whole thing.  
Each finger gets one lead and the thumb or other finger the centre wire.  
Wrap the fingers with catgut or nylon string where they go through and 
put a drop of silicone sealant on each finger after the wire is through 
and you will be totally waterproof.  For the coil, use a condom.  I have 
the real water proof kit and it is nothing more than I described for 
about $35.00.  Dave VE4PN

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:05:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Hose advice

Hoses go from the inside out.  If they feel soft to the squeeze, replace 
them. The bottom hose should have a wire inside so it won't collapse with 
the suction from the pump so it will be harder to check.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:33:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: seal number

Does anyone know the seal numbers in an American (N. American that is!) 
product for the bull nose crank shaft seal.  This is the one on the chain 
house.  I would like to replace it but don't want to pull the old one 
till I get a new seal and I have misplaced the list of seals I keep.  
Dave VE4PN

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:52:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: more seal numbers

I can't seem to find the FAQ site.  Did it move?  I need the numbers for 
the real axle seals as well and I couldn't find them.  I did find some 
great new Land Rover sites if anyone is surfing the net.  Try the mother 
of all BBS.  It has some good British Car stuff.  Dave VE4PN

------------------------------

From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 00:57:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Two simple questions

John Putnam asks...

> 2) How do I water proof my distributer?.  I have tried the vasaline trick
> and it does not help a bit.
/

Someone said something about using a rubber glove over the cap... Don't know
how well it works, but it probably looks real funky! I've wondered about
using a silicone waterproofing spray.. might be worth a try.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:02:14 MST
Subject: AZ LRO & models

Just returned to the heat of Tucson after five days in cool San Diego where we
saw numerous RR and Discos, but got nary a wave from any.  Did gatch a glimpse
of a red SIII pickup getting off Sports Arena Blvd.  Anyone own up to being a
surfing LRO?

In my absence Robin posted his model sale and everything was snatched up, but I
did get to ToysRUs and found the SI.  Cute.  Didn't see it mentioned but Toys R
Us also has a Micro Machines set #37 called Trail Trackers that has a brown
over green SIII 109.  They had another 109 a few years ago in blue. With all
the model talk I haven't seen any references to Triple C Motor Accessories. 
They have the Dinky Dy9-B for $18 - brand new in the box.  The also have a
large (10" or so) *toy* LR 109 with opening doors, a winch with string, very
nice for about $18. 

 I assume everyone is aware of EWA & Miniature Cars USA,
Inc, Box 188, 369 Springfield Avenue, Berkeley Heights, NJ 07922.  I have never
seen a posting about them.  They sell models of everything including Land
Rovers for about $15-$35.  Many of their models sound like the ones in LRO
magazine.  They also have a huge listing of LR books and manuals, but I think
they are pricey.

The call for LROs in Arizona has been answered and a few of us are in the very
early stages of forming an Arizona Land Rover Owners Association with puddles
(thank you Roger) in Tucson, Phoenix, and Flagstaff.  Details as they drip out.

Rob Modica	51 SI 80"	60 SII 109 Safari 
Tucson AZ	94 Disco 5spd (recently christened "Casper" due to mischevious 
		behavior and external color)

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:36:13 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: West Coast British

I'm not sure if that's the name either, but from everything I've heard, you'll 
be much better off staying away from the place.  Mike Green is the guy who 
runs it, and I'm told he really doesn't know what he's doing, and charges way 
too much.  

A student of Corn Flakes, perhaps?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:26:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: D90 tyres

Yuppies?  May their god go up in smoke!

Cheers!
John
'95 Disco that's too damned shiney!

On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Rick Larson wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)]
> LSI Logic Corporation
> (408) 433-7149

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 02:44:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: #2(2) The Land Rover Owne...

Karen asks...

> As a new owner of a Disco, could anyone tell me if it is possible to
> purchase a heavy type of mat designed for the cargo area with the seats
> folded up.
/

How heavy? You could get a rubber mat designed for use as a pickup bed liner
and cut it to fit. One color - basic black. Around here (Central NY state)
places like Central Tractor sell that sort of stuff. 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

 

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