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From: hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.nz
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 19:59:56 +1200
Subject: Bullbars for sale (NZ)

In reassembling my IIA I'm not intending to reinstall the bullbar so
it's for sale.  It should fit any Series vehicle, but because of the
layout of the front bars it's probably best on a II/IIA with the
headlights in the grille.  Big and beefy, and it includes side bars
back to the doors.  Offers over $200.  Email hugh@fujitsu.co.nz or
phone 09-8466571 or 3564800.  It's currently in Auckland, but I'm
driving to Christchurch next week, gods willing, so could deliver
down-country.

Cheers,
Hugh

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From: hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.nz
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 23:53:59 +1200
Subject: Re: Copper brake lines

Tom Rowe writes:
:Ala Richter writes:
:> Hold it a minute, guys. Are we talking about soft plumbing copper
:> here or cupronickel alloy?
:
:Having been a weldor/pipefitter, I generally call metal what it is. So by 
:"copper" *I* was refering to the soft copper used in plumbing. That's 
:why I differentiated between that and copper coated steel lines. As 
:for what others were talking about, I could only assume it was the 
:same.

Shrug.  One of the reasons I went to copper was the recommendation in
the Haynes Guide to Purchase & DIY Restoration.  I quote from p210:

	For restoration work, both the author and Dunsfold
	LandRover recommend the use of Automech's copper
	brake pipe kits.  They come ready to fit and, in
	theory, require no more effort than to screw both
	ends in place, although in practice, pipes
	occasionally need to be cut to length and the ends
	flared before they can be made to fit neatly.
	Copper has the enormous advantage that it will never
	corrode and it is also easy to bend to shape.  Also
	available and just as useful are Automech's copper
	fuel lines.

>From Tom's description this sounds like copper copper.  Now I don't
know if there's anything special about the "Automech" kits, but when I
asked the brake shop to make up copper lines for me they didn't bat an
eyelid.  And the rear lines had been installed some years ago at one of
the most experienced local LR workshops.  So on the one hand the US
contingent claim that copper is death-on-a-stick, but on the other hand
Haynes and the local mechanics all use and recommend it freely.

What's wrong with this picture?

-Hugh

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:14:48 GMT -0600
Subject:       Welding info

> phnxbmed@ix.netcom.com (Charles Hokanson) wrote:
> >>I'm in the process of finishing up my Land-Rover ('64 model 109) and
> >>I need a bit of welding advice. 

For those interested, the American Welding Society (AWS) in Florida 
publishes hundreds of papers on welding including a section on 
automotive frame welding. I haven't seen it, but if the quality of 
their other pubs is any indication, it is a worthwhile series to get. 
They can be quite technical (targeted to the welding engineer), but 
they also have a lot of info for the weldor.
AWS's phone # is available from 800 information.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:32:26 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Copper brake lines

 hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.nz writes:

Snip
> What's wrong with this picture?

Dunno. Maybe some of us are safety freaks?
I guess what it comes down to is if your LR is a keeper, use what you 
want. If you plan to sell it, consider the fact that some of us would 
consider copper lines to devalue it.

As for the fuel line issue, the reason you shouldn't use it with 
diesel is that it does nasty things to diesel fuel.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Copper brake lines
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 95 13:43:14 BST

Just on another note - someone said not to use copper lines for
diesel fuel systems...

This should be; don't use copper for the high pressure lines
between the distributor pump and injectors.  Everywhere else,
copper would be fine as the pressures are really quite low.

I think that pure copper lines would bulge on the h.p. side
of the dist. pump unless you could find some with thick walls.

That is copper copper, not copper alloy copper! ;-)

Come to think of it, what's wrong with using copper tubing for brake
lines as long as the wall thickness is large enough?  Can't be 
bothered to do the calcs, but a small increase in wall thickness results 
in a huge increase in bursting strength...

Could it be that the Cu pipe used on early vehicles had thicker
walls than its modern Cu alloy or steel equivalent?  I am certain 
that one could make a perfectly satisfactory pure copper system 
within the size constraints if one wasn't worried about the cost of
using a lot of expensive pure copper over a little cheap steel.

Just thinkin'

Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

 

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Dashboard plugs
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 95 14:10:53 BST

Have just been pottering through the Maplin catalogue
and have found some 3.2mm diameter split pin type sockets that
would do the job, part no. HF50E on p541 of the just-gone-out
-of-date catalogue.

Perhaps this is too late?

All the best,

Andy

P.S. this is re: the dashboard 'banana' sockets on Series LRs that
are too small to fit standard 4mm plugs.

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Dixon, Robin, etc.

    Does anyone know about the legality of importing Canadian Rovers into 
the US - I was very interested (surprised?) to hear about S III 109s, a 
vehicle that I assumed was only imported after LR left the US.  Quite 
simply, I have no interest in dealing w/ grey-market vehicles (I passed 
up a mint 1985 RR - only 50k miles rust-free - because the owner said "Oh 
yeah, you might run into trouble when registering the car b/c the VIN 
doesn't always clear" - NO THANKS!) AAnyway, I'd eventually like to get 
my hands on a S III 109 P/U and if it isn't a problem crossing the 
border, I just assume head north.

Frank Twarog
soon-to-be back in Burlington, VT!

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:23:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Stowe

	BTW - if anyone wants a photo-copy of the registration packet for 
the British Invasion, email me and I'll send it off to you. As was stated 
before, there's now a $30US fee and a new location - perhaps this won't 
keep too many people away.  Also, I'm not sure just how much of a focus 
Land Rovers will be this year, as Rovers North (justifiably) decided not 
to do off-road rides this year - but perhaps others might know if 
Automaster has anything in mind.  In any case, I'm looking forward it...

Frank

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  8 Aug 95  9:29:31 EDT
Subject: Recommendations for an inexpensive MIG welding machine?

Well, I've given up on the stick welder...anybody recommend
an inexpensive 110-volt MIG? It doesn't ned gas capability - I'm willing
to add that later if I need it.

Any ideas? available in the US, of course, apologies to the real world...

     ajr

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:06:20 EDT
Subject:       Re: Copper Brake Lines

I think that the opinion that steel brake lines are superior to 
copper is mosly based on strength and abrasion resistance. I feel a 
lot better about picking up sticks and the like and bogging down in 
nasty quagmires with steel brake lines. The advantage of copper brake 
lines, easy to bend and flare compared to steel, is just what puts 
them at a disadvantage off-road. But, if you prefer to keep your Land 
Rover on the highway, there is no reason not to use copper brake 
lines. Just my opinion.

 

David McKain
1966 SIIa Petrol
mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:26:46 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: for fuel

Andy Grafton writes:
> Just on another note - someone said not to use copper lines for
> diesel fuel systems...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> between the distributor pump and injectors.  Everywhere else,
> copper would be fine as the pressures are really quite low.
Actually, Andy, I was refering to a reaction between diesel and 
copper. It was something I found out over ten years ago and don't 
remember the details. I'll see if I can find them and post.
 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 08:44:23 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Importing to US

 Francis J. Twarog <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu> writes:

>    Does anyone know about the legality of importing Canadian Rovers into 
 the US.  Quite simply, I have no interest in dealing w/ grey-market vehicles.

 Any vehicle not specifically designed and imported for the US market is a
 "grey market" vehicle.  You should be able to import any petrol vehicle 1970
 and under with only the addition of a PCV valve in a line from the valve cover
 to the carburetor.  Diesel models are exempt to 1975 (?) or so.  (Of course,
 we're not talking about taking a bulkhead piece from a pre '68 and sticking it
 on a late model SIII here, or are we?)

-Michael Carradine
 cs@crl.com

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:11:39 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Military rovers for sale

>A have just been handed a snapshot of a series 2a left hand drive 
>military ambulance for sale in Alberta. if the information to hand is 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Beleive he is looking for about $5,500 CDN aprox. 
>Can any of our western Canadian cousins throw any more light on these?

I have seen these Land Rovers, here in Calgary. They are at a truck surplus 
dealer on 42nd Ave S. I believe that there is only one left, and when I 
asked, they told me it was a low milage unit from one of the local 
British Army training bases (but it wasn't Suffield). They said they 
wanted $5000 for it. I just picked up a 1963 IIa 88, and now am a little 
more knowledgable than when I first looked at them, so I thought I would go 
down and take a second glance at the remaining one (just to get ideas, 
not to buy, I had a hard enough time convincing my wife to let me have the 
one I've got!).

It has 4 full length stretchers in the back, it would be great for 
camping! I'll try to get the serial number off of it, as they had no idea 
how old it was. If there is anything else you would like me to check out, 
just let me know...

Rob

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 95 12:36:42 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Craddocks for USA purchasers

Has anyone had any experience buying parts from Craddocks? Could you  
pass on any tips? Thanks, John Friedman

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 95 12:37:55 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Extended warrantee contract

Has anyone with a newish Rover had one of these extended warrantee  
contracts. At what point do you have to buy them and how much do they  
cos? Any bad experiences? Thanks, John Friedman

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:46:47 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: 3 vs. 5 bearing 2.25s

I was wondering if anyone can provide input on the differences between 
the 3 and 5 bearing Land Rover engines (2.25l petrol).  I'm assuming 
that the 5 bearing is superior.  Are there any significant differences 
beyond the number of bearings?  Are most parts interchangeable.  Is the 
flywheel the same or different?  Is there something major I'm missing 
(like: heh stupid, they're completely different engines!)

I'm considering replacing an old 2.25 with a new but stripped one and 
need to decide between the 3 and 5 bearing models.  Part of the 
decision is how many additional ancillary costs will be involved in the 
5 bearing purchase since the old is a 3 bearing.  The other factor is a 
250 pound difference in cost - is this worth it by itself?

Many thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Jeremy Bartlett        

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 21:20:58 +0200
From: vortex@worldaccess.nl (Bert Palte)
Subject: Re: Copper brake lines

  So on the one hand the US
>contingent claim that copper is death-on-a-stick, but on the other hand
>Haynes and the local mechanics all use and recommend it freely.
>What's wrong with this picture?

Here is the reason why: in North America there exists a special kind 
of very dangerous rodents. They like to eat copper brake pipes.
These rodents (like e.g. the armadillo) do not appear in Europe, hence,
copper brake lines do not impose a problem in the old world  :-) 

Bert Palte

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 14:15:38 -0500
From: jsavage@pchydrm.com (James Savage)
Subject: Electrical problem?

I sent this message last week, but unfortunately was having problems with
our mail server and haven't been receiving the feed.  Could someone please
check to see if I've had any responses concerning it?  Here is the message
again.

I've been having what seems to be an electrical problem with my '90 County.
My cruise control functions erradically.

Half the time it works fine, the other half I am unable to get the cruise
control main gateway to operate properly.

When I depress the cruise control main gateway switch, the button does not
illuminate and the cruise control is not operational.  When I then switch
off the gateway I get the "Service Engine" light on the dash.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

James

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Date: Mon,  7 Aug 95 20:25:54 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: Problems with mail: apology

Following an upgrade of my internet software I am having great difficulty 
uploading mail from my access provider; I currently have 83 messages waiting 
for me!

I am told that a fix will be available sometime next week.  In the meantime 
please accept my apologies if I fail to reply to mail you have sent or mail 
is returned to you. If you need a reply from me urgently please contact me 
by 'phone, fax or snail mail.

I will mail once the problem has been resolved.

I hope outgoing mail works!
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Tony Chapman             E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
HAWTEC                   Tel:    01905 723200
Haswell House            Fax:    01905 613338 
St. Nicholas Street      Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

Date: 08/07/95
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Date: Mon,  7 Aug 95 20:25:54 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: Problems with mail: apology

Following an upgrade of my internet software I am having great difficulty 
uploading mail from my access provider; I currently have 83 messages waiting 
for me!

I am told that a fix will be available sometime next week.  In the meantime 
please accept my apologies if I fail to reply to mail you have sent or mail 
is returned to you. If you need a reply from me urgently please contact me 
by 'phone, fax or snail mail.

I will mail once the problem has been resolved.

I hope outgoing mail works!
-------------------------------------
Tony Chapman             E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
HAWTEC                   Tel:    01905 723200
Haswell House            Fax:    01905 613338 
St. Nicholas Street      Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

Date: 08/07/95
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From: RBM1957@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 17:12:17 -0400
Subject: 1996 Disco

Hi, 

I've been reading this list for a while since I've  been thinking about
buying a Land Rover.  I've found it to be a very interesting and informative
resource.

I have a couple questions that I'd appreciate answers to.

1.  Are there going to be any changes to the 1996 US model Discovery?  From
what I've read it sounds like it could use a bigger (ie. higher performance)
engine.

2.  Has anybody owned both a 5 speed and an automatic Disco and what are your
feelings about each?  Does the 5 speed really give you a lot better
performance and gas mileage?

3.  Does anybody have any comments on buying a new Disco vs. buying a couple
of year old Range Rover.

Thanks.

-Reid

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 16:29:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Land Rover brakes and such...

I'm a new Land Rover owner, and have some questions about my 1963 Series 
IIa 88. I'm hoping that someone will be of some help in these matters:

1) The brakes are terrible!! You have to pump 3-4 times to get anything 
on the pedal. The previous owner noted that when you adjust the pedal 
height bolt (on the front of the master cylinder bracket) it makes the 
pedal quite firm, but the brakes drag and bind very quickly. I talked to 
a mechanic who does LR's and he said that you should never touch that 
bolt. Another guy said that it may just be stuck brake adjusters (as I 
couldn't get 3 of the wheels to adjust properly). Also, I have no brake 
lights. 

2) What is the top speed with 15" wheels? What is the top speed with 16" 
wheels? Will the 16" wheels rub at all when turning? What is the maximum 
allowable engine speed (for extended periods)?

3) The steering box stiffening bracket is loose and it appears as though 
the rear most bolt attaching it to the frame is stripped. What possible 
repairs are available? When I turn the steering wheel, the fire wall 
flexes slightly, which makes me nervous.

Thanks in advance,
Rob

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From: chris.youngson@deepcove.com
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 95 16:12:39 
Subject: LR ambulance's in 

Regarding the Ambulances in Aberta. Local sources say they are in pretty rough
shape generally. They have been in the papers here for several monthes. You
might want to ask the owner for a detailed photo. 73

Chris

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Date: 08 Aug 95 21:41:01 EDT
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Rear axle swop ?

 Mark,Talbot asks about interchangbility of 88 and 109 rear axle casings...
  the 88 and 109 rear axle casings from ser 2 are not easily interchangable,
besides the shock absorber mounting,  the spring mounting positions are
different, on the 88 the springs mount under the chassis whereas on the 109 the
springs mount on the side of the chassis, thus the spring  centres are about 6"
wider on the 109.
 If you are really keen you can alter the spring mountings on your 88 chassis or
move the  spring mounting s on the axle which is tedious on a standard axle but
relatively easy on a Salisbury.
 Front axles are interchangable,

   Regards   Bill Leacock     Limey in exile.   ( owner of a 109 somewhere in
the middle of the Atlantic )

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