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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Uneven Tyre Wear
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 9:25:06 BST

Huw,
You mean the outside edge of *both* front tyres?
I think its one of those "They ALL do that" things.
I have yet to see one that doesnt,including my own.
Radials seem to wear better though.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Series III V8's
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:10:12 +0930 (CST)

> 2. If Rover V8 was available on some LR, why do I need a kit to install it
>   in SII/III ?

The series III V8 or stage 1 also uses a range rover LT95 g/box transfer, a
rangie radiator, the grill is flush with the front guards, and the bonnet is
very similar to a D110.   V8's can be fitted with a kit to "normal" series
cars.    

 Does Buick-Olds 215/?/? have the same bolt pattern?

No idea..... any one??  from what I here the Buick/olds V8's are quite cheap
secondhand.  

> 3. At the SII top speed of 60mph (?) in OD, what is the rpm?
>   in SII/III ?

Dont know off hand can work out or provide formula(e) if someone else hasnt
done it already.

cheers

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Topics of list
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 9:43:11 BST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>  Four wheel drive allows you to get
>  stuck in places even more inaccessible.
The only difference being where they did their Roving.One in
the desert,the other all over Britt Ekland.....:-)

Mike Rooth

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Uneven Tyre Wear
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 9:56:12 BST

> Huw,
> You mean the outside edge of *both* front tyres?
> I think its one of those "They ALL do that" things.
> I have yet to see one that doesnt,including my own.

I had one!  It didn't wear the outside edge - it just scalloped 
the living s&#t out of the treadblocks in about 1K miles...

Then again, maybe the other wear was just insignificant next
to that?!  It was a lot better when we put new bearings in.

I have noticed that truck-type tyres (with a continuous band of
tread all the way round like Michelin XY or XZY) are far more 
resistant to uneven wear.  Then again, don't expect performance
off-road.

All the best,

Andy

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: FW: Toyotas, winches and Brakes
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 07:54:00 DST

Sorry forgot last line truncation by Majordomo, here is complete message 
including an extra line for the direct mailer digesters
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From: Easton Trevor
Subject: Toyotas, winches and Brakes
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 1995 7:33AM

 (Place honourable tongue in honourable cheek)
Maybe the additional weight of the winch caused the axles to bend and the 
brake calipers to rub continuously on the discs

If you see this line the Major is a dummy

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Feline quadrapeds
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 08:05:00 DST

Mike Rooth writes:
"fully armed Pink Panthers next"

What has a Peter Sellers movie to do with the list?

(This line for the Major)

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:27:23 -0400
Subject: SIIA, 109"

Mark-
You have a rear door glass as well if you get the vehicle. (it sounds good,
I'd probably go for it!) (It'll be a bit slower, but better cargo/camping
capabilities. Heck, have you checked the price of just an OD lately?). Let me
know if you need the glass and I'll make arrangements to leave it somewhere
(I get as far south as Windsor Vt. every week) so you can pick it up. (Just
let me know if you have any ideas for drop-off sites). (That might spare you
the trip to here just for that). Oh, since I'm so busy, you'd have to take
the glass out of the door (yours as well). And if you go this route, it keeps
you away from the 'sharks' as well...
 See 'ya on the old road...
Jim  '61 88" SW / OD, 1 Bbl weber & 16's   (econobox?)
LR....quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised! 

P.S. The rodents were probably looking for lemon choco.-chip cookies!!

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:33:07 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Feline quadrapeds

> Mike Rooth writes:
> "fully armed Pink Panthers next"
> What has a Peter Sellers movie to do with the list?

I'd say it was the LR used by SAS, but then someone would want to 
know what statistics has to the with the list.

Also, someone commented that they didn't think that the lesson in 
logic was a topic for this list. I'd have to agree. If we all became 
well versed in logic we'd sell our Land Rovers and there'd be no 
list. (ikes, time to duck-n-cover).
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 27 Jul 95  8:33:17 EDT
Subject: Brake flex-lines - any idea as to the thread on the ends?

The reason I ask is that I have stumbled over a local hydraulic shop that
will make me Teflon/metalflex lines cheaper than the Rover OEM stuff...
being the cheap swine that I am, I figure it's worth a try, but I don't want to 
dis-
asemble my braking system until I have the new lines in-hand.

Thanks... and thank you all for your patience with the thousand dumb questions.

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Subject: LIST STUFF // US Discos - how they are regulated -  states vs. federal
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 08:38:56 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

NON L-R Traffic

Gee, with all this non-Land Rover stuff on the list maybe I should send
MajorDomo on holiday for a couple weeks so you can find some time to go out
and break your L/Rs some more and come up with real stuff to talk about... 
 -----
REAL-TIME Subscribers

Your last line should be back (it went missing three months ago).
so you can re-condense your sigs...
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PS: really like the quip about the Popeet Frame Extender/Compresser

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Skip this (about stateside car stuff) if you aren't interested...

Subject: US Discos - how they are regulated -  states vs. federal

A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk writes (re: disco)

> I'll bet that in parts of the US it is legally a passenger car

When it comes to vehicle codes, the safety is mandated nationally, 
(national highway and traffic safety administration), at least with respect
to vehicle manufacture.

In addition to the NHTSA, other crash test dummy people are a national
insurance safety center, also a bunch of insurance companies will study the
wrecks or have internal testing units.  A while back PC types got on the case
of some Michigan University that was doing some crash test cadever experiments.

However, do be advised that sport/utility vehicles _historically_ in the US
have NOT had the same requirments as cars.  of course, when the best selling
vehicle in America was becoming the Ford F100 pick-up, and the minivans
were replacing station wagons, it was deemed a good idea to bring the
sport/ute standards in-line with the pasenger standards, and I beleive
that this is in progress (they phase these things in over a few years,
airbags, side impact protection, bumper regs, crumple tests, etc)

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Now there is some protectionist tarrif on 2dr sport/utility vehicles, and 
there is a luxery tax on the portion of the cost of vehicles over $30,000
(unless that has gone up with inflation), and the sport/utilitiy vehicles
fall into different categories depending on GVW and if they carry lots of
people or not, and until recently the crash requirements were _only_ for
cars, however they've been introduced (over time) similar requirments for
light trucks...

So in an ideal import (lower mfg cost, less taxes, etc) is a four door vehicle
with a GVW over 6,000lbs, and a cost under $30,000.
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Now whatever isn't mandated by the Feds, is left to the states, and any old
existing laws or poorly written laws will rear their ugly head.
For the most part, with autos, this is related to the _usage_ of the vehicle
(seat belt requirements, vehicle inspection/emissions tests (or lack there of),
display of liscence plates (rear or rear and front), limits on density of
window tints and location (south vs north), obstruction of headlamps,
accessory lighting (in NJ you can only have six forward facing driving lamps),
and usage: in NY headlamps must be on when wipers are in use (naturally, the
	carmakers picked up on this, and provided equipment to do so).
	Anything for a price...

[Did you know just about any Chrysler vehicle can be ordered with EMI sheilded
components (for police, fleet usage (VHF radio), or HAM radio buffs).]

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The emissions are only broken down to two groups, the EPA (federal
Environmental Protection Agency), or the more strict CARB (California Air
ResourcesBoard). The automakers whinged in a big way about having CA be 
different, but it is a huge market - nearly 1/6th of the nation. When the
North Eastern states started considering more strict standards the big three
came back and told 'em either to step up to current CARB specs or
take off, eh!

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Whilst the Canadians require DRL (day-time-running-lamps - half-power
headlamps), NHTSA considered it and rejected it.  Now historically this falls
under a usage thing, and that has been deferred to the states, so in some 
states the laws might be written that headlamps should be off in the 
daytime.  Now lots of lorries in the states run with lights on in the day,
and when GM realized that there was a slight, but statstically significant
fuel consumption related to full-power headlamps vs DRLs, they petitioned the
NHTSA and EPA to _allow_ the usage of DRLs from the federal level, as this
would affect fuel consumption by something like 0.1 miles per gallon, and the
way the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) laws are written, saving that
0.1 MPG * n trucks was significant, and would let them build a few more
high-profit sports cars or land-yachts or something... 

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I'm sure that you'll understand the above, and it is crystal clear now.
Even though AutoWeek has gone down hill a whole lot from when it was on
newsprint, it is still a really good source for what is happening about
mo-town.

 ---
(Think of it as if Scotland and Wales had their own parliments, and the
midlands and SW had their own, etc.  You'd end up with London and the SE, 
requiring annual MOT's and emission checks. In the lakes and
SW it would be annual MOT's, in Scotland you'd require an MOT only when the
vehicle was sold, and in Wales & midlands , if it ran it could go on the road.
Of course none of the buroughs could agree on how to enforce it so W1 would
test anything that was sitting at stop lights and ....  
	Well you get the picture...

    Cheers,
	--bill	caloccia@Team.Net	<web: "http://www.senie.com/billc/">
		caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, because
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R  ul N   H           '72 Range Rover		<-last line

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From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk>
Subject: Feline quadrapeds
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:56:26 +0100 (BST)

Easton Trevor writes:
>> Mike Rooth writes:
>> "fully armed Pink Panthers next"
> What has a Peter Sellers movie to do with the list?

Don't know about the movie, but Peter Sellers is a former Range Rover owner - or more 
specifically a Wood & Pickett Sheer Rover conversion

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: EPA's Imports Hotline
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:30:19 -0500 (CDT)

For anyone interested in importing a vehicle to the US:

I just called the EPA's Imports Hotline.  The friendly lady on the
other end answered my most important question...

"If my vehicle is pre-1968, and it does NOT have the original
engine in it, is there any problem in bringing it in?"

"No, not at all.", was her reply.

I guess all that matters is the chassis VIN.

Imports Hotline
===============
phone: 202-233-9660
  fax: 202-233-9596

So for those recent posters looking for a 110, you can get a
coil-sprung Tdi 109 for a bit less...

(My main concern was that I was going to look at a '64 109
with a BMC diesel in it tonight and was worried that they might
not go for it.)

Which leads me to ask...  Anyone know any more about the BMC
4-cyl engine?  Performance, longevity, SPARES??

Vel
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Motorola Inc.                            Fax:    +44-1793-430-987
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From: Bill Yerazunis <crash@concentra.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:58:47 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Someone asserted that crumple zones are the only energy absorbers
in a vehicle and that seat belts are "rather springy and most of the energy
put into elastically stretching the belt is eventually returned to you.  If
you stretch the belt above the elastic limit and it starts to absorb
energy then it is close to snapping- a situation car companies strive
to avoid."

This is EMPHATICALLY INCORRECT!!

Seat belts are _not_ springy.  Quite the opposite- a seat belt self-destructs
during energy absorption.  That's why car companies repeatedly warn that
if a car is in an accident, _all_ of the seatbelts that were in use during
the accident must be replaced.

Seat belts are _not_ normal nylon webbing.  Take a close look at one.
You'll see fibers running lengthwise on the belt, and other fibers 
running crosswise.  

Upon closer inspection, you will note that the fibers running crosswise
in the belt are essentially "straight" - they don't go up and down
at all.  Because of this, the fibers running lengthwise in the belt
are in general distorted into severe sinusoids, to loop above and below
the straight crosswise fibers.

If you were to do a fiber analysis of the two fibers, you'd find something
else also- the lengthwise fibers are made of nylon that's been "tensilized"-
stretched at elevated temperature during manufacture to align all of
the molecules lengthwise.  The result of tensilizing is that the nylon
is much tougher and much stronger.  Almost all of the synthetic
fibers used today are tensilized, as well as most of the plastic wrap.
Tensilizing gives a strong but _elastic_ material, and elasticity
is our enemy here.

The crosswise (straight) fibers are _not_ tensilized.  The nylon is
left in it's soft, easily distorted and nonelastic state.  The nontensilized
nylon is easy to stretch- but it does NOT snap back like a rubber band.
It just stays stretched out.  It does not recover back into it's original
shape.  Unfortunately, it's also a lot weaker.

Now the purpose of the funny seat belt weave (straight weak fibers with 
looped very strong fibers) may be apparent.

In a crash, those strong looping lengthwise fibers will try to be pulled out 
straight.  The weak crosswise fibers oppose them... and are _cut_
and _bent_ as the strong lengthwise fibers scissor into nearly-straight
lines.

That's what absorbs the energy in a seat belt- the destruction of the
inside-weave crosswise (non-tensilized) fibers.  The nontensilized
fibers don't recover; they're bent and cut and basically trashed,
but they absorb a LOT of energy that way.

That's why seat belts don't "snap you back" in an accident.

That's why you must replace a seat belt after even a "I walked away" accident.

That's why you must not replace a seat belt with other than the
"original equipment" part; replacing it with regular webbing (such
as "climber's webbing" which is 100% tensilized *will* cause
a snap-back accident.

Some seat belts (I believe GMC belts for export to Australia) are 
woven with orange nontensilized fibers for a short segment in the
end of the belt.  When you can see the orange show through, it means
the belt's absorbed a crash worth of energy and must be replaced.

Note: This is really old technology- it was invented in the late 1950's
by US Air Force Colonel John Stapp (who still holds several world's records
in aeronautics) and his faithful sidekick, Leutenant Murphy (his real name).
Stapp was in charge of the Air Force's aircrash survival improvement
program, and Murphy worked for him.  [and yes, it was _the_ Murphy,
of Murphy's law.  But that's another story altogether.]

They were the inventors of the dual-fiber energy-absorbing seat belt,
which went into automotive production in the very early 1960's as
an extra-cost option (like air bags were initially).  

	-Bill Yerazunis

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:24:06 +0000
Subject:       Famous rover owners

Here is the current list of famous people with Land Rover vehicles (or 
good connections with them)

Please send and additions/corrections to Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk

Please could I also get confirmation from people that this list is still 
correct (I've not been told about anyone who has sold their Landy ;-)

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British Royal family (UK) - Range Rovers, dicoveries and Defenders (numbers?)
          Elizabeth Windsor - A Bronze Green 110 Defender (manual)

John Rhys Davies (US) owns four and he says he couldn't be bothered with the
        new Discos or Range Rovers (they're "devoid of panache").  His
        fleet includes:
            a IIa 109 with roof-tent in Kenya, an ex-RAF '88 110, a 109 Luten-body
           workshop vehicle with Lincoln arc-welder soon to be a 130" and an
          indeterminate 109 with advanced frame cancer (a "project vehicle").  The
          latter three are at his residence on the Isle of Mann.

Ross Perot (US) has several  -- Series IIa's and III's

Tom Conti (UK) has a 107" Station Wagon. White, overgrown & languishing in 
	a very sorry state (as seen on BBC's The Car's the Star TV program)

Jane Fonda and hubby Ted Turner (US) also own a pair of the US-spec Defender
        110's they keep at their western ranch (i.e., the state of Montana).

Ralph Loren (US) has a couple of NA spec 110's, but painted black.  

Robin Williams (US) - 110 Defender, but used to drive an 88 before Mork 
Bryan Adams (CA?) - 90 Defender (possibly a RR/Defender 100" hybrid)

Kevin Costner (US) - a black 88 (I, II, III, hybrid?)
Sylvester Stallone (US) - 109
Oprah Winfre (sp?)(US) - Defender (90/110?)
Rosanne Barr-Arnold(US) - Range Rover

Sean Connery (UK)  Defender 90 at his estate in Costa Brava, Spain.

Anika Rice (UK TV personality) - RR based dune-buggy (UFS 475 Y?). This
        may belong to the TV company though.

Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman (US) - Range Rover LWB
Demi Moore and Bruce Willis (US) - Range Rover LWB
Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid (US) - Range Rover LWB
Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith (US) - Range Rover LWB (Now split up? - who
        has the 'Rover?)
Mel Gibson (OZ) - Range Rover
Michael Douglas (US) - Range Rover
Jane Fonda (US) - Range Rover
Emilio Estevez (US) - Range Rover
Patrick Swayze (US) - Range Rover
Jack Nicholson (US) - Range Rover
Stefanie Powers (US) - Range Rover
Michael J. Fox (US) - Range Rover
Rod Stewart (ex UK) - Range Rover
Cher (US) - Range Rover
George Michael (ex UK) - Range Rover
Barry Manilow (US) - Range Rover
Michael Jackson (US) - Range Rover  <-- can he actually DRIVE?
Richard Branson (UK) - Range Rover (Virgin Airlines also use RR as VIP
	fleet cars)
(British Army Officer) Col. Hewitt - Range Rover

Janet Jackson  (US)- Dicovery?  (Gift from agent or someone)
Sting (ex UK)- discovery

They Want...

Ralph Lauren (US) -- approached LRNA with the concept of a Ralph Lauren RR
Chris Evert (US) -- "Andy's [Mills] the art lover," says Chris.  "I'd rather
        have a Range Rover than a $40,000 painting."

Historical.....

Paul & Linda McArtney (UK) - [in 1969] The happy McCartney family posing 
	with their Series One, apparently a Station Wagon.
      I don't know about currently, but up until fairly recently Paul 
        had a Cairngorm Brown SE complete with Genuine Part side steps and
        Bull Bar

Peter Sellers (UK) had a Range Rover - or more specifically a Wood & Pickett
	Sheer Rover conversion

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     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:37:02 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: EPA's Imports Hotline

> Which leads me to ask...  Anyone know any more about the BMC
> 4-cyl engine?  Performance, longevity, SPARES??
> Vel

Well, all I can tell you is that in '81 when I was looking for a 
diesel I was told that the BMC was not particularly good, that the
Perkins 4203 was better so that's what I went with. But that was partly 
what was avail. here in the US. I'm not sure that BMC parts are on 
this side of the pond, I haven't seen them. Perkins parts are.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: a-robw@microsoft.com
Subject: Rover Names
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 07:55:00 PDT

>Paul M. Brodie                 #======#
>'94 Red D90                    |+--+|  \
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>USSSBKPY@IBMMAIL.COM           | _  |D90|_  |}
>                        * * * ==(_)"""""(_)""

Being a relatively new Discovery owner (3 days and counting) I'm still
learning the customs of "Rover-hood". I've seen several mentions of named
rovers (or is that Rovers?) and I'm wondering if I'm commiting a breach of
ettiquite by not having a name for him (her? how DO you tell?) I usually
only call them names when they stop working. (then I have no trouble at
coming up with names, some even make the paint peel, but that's another
story).

 -- bob watson
a-robw@microsoft.com

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:03:14 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Winch Cables

You wrote: 
>From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
>Subject: ramblings...

>Its PO had grown moss and harboured an ant colony in this winch's cable 
>as it sat in his wood pile ~10 years! How do I clean the cable (for now)?

>BT.
>77 RR (foggy in here)

Ooo!  DUCK everybody! :)  I'd say you DON'T.  DON'T even use it!  

Cable is relatively cheap, much cheaper than windscreens, grills, or possibly 
major surgery to assorted appendages.  

Chances are pretty good that if that cable looks bad on the outside it's trash on 
the inside.  The strands of cable act as a series of wicks to draw water into the 
core of the cable where it will quite contentedly sit and rust the metal.  I'll 
bet ten years of summers and winters allowed a fair amount of dust/dirt to be 
drawn/blown etc. in there too.  Dust and dirt aids in the electrolitic corrosion 
(rusting) of metal.

Ten years of non-use, even given the miracle of no decay, will also have almost 
certainly led to the acquisition of "memory" on the part of the cable.  In other 
words, if it comes of the winch at all its likely to have a very strong tendency 
to coil up.

In summary treat it as you would climbing rope.  I'd say do yourself, your 
vehicle, your winch, and anyone within reach of it a favor and spring for new 
cable.

Cheers,

Jeremy Bartlett

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From: DANCSC@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:08:50 -0400
Subject: Re:dave brown's classic D90 for sale

dave (taylor) brown says,

>Then I could turn the 88 into a 90, sell it for $90,000 (US), and then...

don't turn your 88 into a 90, just list it as a rare "classic 90"  and ask
for about 160 thousand . (serious inquiries only please)
danarosa

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From: DANCSC@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:09:42 -0400
Subject: Re: #2(3) The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 95-07-27 06:36:34 EDT, you write:

>Having only lived with a SIII 88" and a Range Rover, what can I expect
living
>with a 109 ????

mark, to answer your question... bloody knuckles.
danarosa
ps. first thing I'd do is loose the top, side windows, and doors... this
vehicle will be strictly a play thing yes? Nothing like a 109 with the
windshield down...

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:24:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Miscellany/Safari cage coating cracks

In a message dated 95-07-27 06:35:20 EDT, you write:

>From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
>Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 14:43:23 PDT
>Subject: Re: Miscellany
>Re: Anyone's D90 safari cage rubber coating cracked or cracking? Apparently
a
>batch of them was used in production with improper material. Warranty will 
>again take care of this  if you take it in and complain. Replacements with 
>correct specification available.
>cheerz
>Jim - now completely mad... and loving it!

Yes, the rubber coating on the rear safari cage on my 1994 D90 is severly
cracked in many places. The front safari cage seems OK.
Thanks for information on why this happened, dealer is clueless.
John.

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: EPA's Imports Hotline
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 16:49:07 BST

In '89 when *I* was looking for a diesel,I was offered
a '64 88" soft top re-engined with the BMC 2.2 diesel.
By none other than LRO's very own Rob Ivins,who lived
locally at the time.Considering I had said I was after
a Rover Diesel 88" hardtop,at least he got the wheelbase
right! The opinion at the time was that this thing had
trouble just ticking over,and to ask it to *move* anything
was too much to ask of the 2.2.Ever.And spares were
very difficult to get even then.So a Perkins *must* be
better,it cant be any worse.
Of course I *am* assuming that this is the engine under
discussion.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Seatbelts & Crumple Zones
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 16:58:49 BST

> Someone asserted that crumple zones are the only energy absorbers
 in a vehicle and that seat belts are "rather springy and most of the energy
> put into elastically stretching the belt is eventually returned to you.  If
 you stretch the belt above the elastic limit and it starts to absorb
> energy then it is close to snapping- a situation car companies strive
> to avoid."
> This is EMPHATICALLY INCORRECT!!

I agree and stand corrected on that front - I was not thinking quite
right and will explain my reasoning...

Firstly most of the energy put into elastically stretching the belt 
*will* be returned to you.  Physics.  I had temporarily neglected the
energy-absorbing properties of seatbelts because I was considering
the situation (as speculated upon) where the vehicle had no 
crumple zones.  This would result in a very stiff crash pulse 
being transmitted to the occupant.  The seatbelt would elongate quite
easily by between 8 and 15% of its useful length, absorbing energy
as you say through destruction of the fibres, and some energy
absorbtion would go on from the 'film spool' effect if the belt
was retractable and had no webbing grabbers.  After that, the belt
absorbs almost no energy as it deforms _elastically_ (those 
tensilized fibres you mentioned are really good at that), and  
that energy will mostly be returned to the occupant.  The function
of the belt in this mode is to prevent contact with the interior of
the vehicle, and if it is plastically deforming it is close to
snapping - something the car companies strive to avoid. 

In a situation without crumple zones, the energy absorbed by the 
destruction of the seatbelt's inelastic fibres will be significant
but nowhere near enough to bring the occupant to rest.  In crash
tests above 30mph or with very stiff vehicle structures the 'whip 
back' effect from seatbelts can be large.  

Please note that the seatbelt's energy absorbing properties are limited
mostly by the amount they can stretch/deform before the occupant 
contacts the fascia.  When airbags are used, the belts can be designed
to deform further as the 'bag "mops up" any unwanted occupant 
displacements and energy.

The point I was *trying* to make had more to do with the absorbtion 
of the vehicle's kinetic energy than the occupant's - without 
crumple zones the car will deform at its weakest point, which
could be somewhere really nasty.  A very stiff car that doesn't
deform will bounce off a standard frontal impact 'immovable mass'
and cause a far bigger change in velocity for the occupant than it
would have had it just crumpled and stopped - people get injured
on dodgems at a fair in that way.

I *was* asserting that crumple zones (crumpling in general) are the
the only method of absorbing the _vehicle's_ energy in a crash.
If you don't absorb it, it will cause a problem.

I am fully aware that there are a number of means of absorbing the 
occupant's kinetic energy, and that of pedestrians (bullbar, anyone?!)
I never implied that belts were normal Nylon webbing (until they have
absorbed all the energy thay can, after which they are just that).
Seatbelts *will* snap you back in certain types of accidents (usually
in severe cases).

So - I didn't mean to imply that belts absorb no energy, just that
it doesn't matter how heavy your vehicle is ... you still need
crumpling of metal to happen as a seatbelt alone is nowhere near 
up to the job.  Sod's law says that if you drive a vehicle of 
6000lb+ GVW, you will hit a fully laden cement truck.

Sorry for getting ahead of my typing/thinking, and thanks for the 
good info on belt construction.

All the best,

Andy Grafton
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk
3
2
1

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:09:13 -0500
From: tsrowlan@ingr.com (Tom Rowland)
Subject: headliner 

Hello all:

I have a 1988 Range Rover with a badly sagging headliner.  The headliner  
looks as though it could be "re-glued", and the entire thing extracted  
for this purpose.  Having worked on British cars before, it doesn't seem  
impossible, but I would be interested in any advice on how difficult  
this may be.

Thanks Much!

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 27 Jul 95 12:20:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Rover Names

As long as you don't name it "Bill Gates", we don't mind either way.

Rovers (at least the older Series vehicles like the one I own) tend to be
idiosyncratic vehicles with a personality. As such, they tend to have names
bestowed on them by affectionate owners.

Mine is named Churchill, as when I acquired it it had a smoky Diesel
under the bonnnet, and what better name for a grumpy old British car
that smokes heavily? <grin>

Wait for him to show you what his name will be. THis will happen as you
and he become more familiar with each other. 

      ajr

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:40:32 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: EPA's Imports Hotline

 Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com> writes:

>For anyone interested in importing a vehicle to the US:
>I just called the EPA's Imports Hotline.  The friendly lady on the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>===============
>phone: 202-233-9660
>  fax: 202-233-9596

 BZZZZZZZT!!  Not really!

 Talking at length with the local San Francisco office, as far as EPA
 is concerned, the engine is the car!  That is, putting a 1980 engine
 into a 1968 vehicle will put you into 1980 EPA standards.  The engine
 will have to be complete with all the emmissions and exhaust as req'd
 for 1980.  They don't care about the body style (other agencies do!).

 Maybe the lady you spoke with assumed you were replacing the engine
 with a like model (?), of course I wouldn't even bring it up.  ~$~ 

 Michael Carradine, Architect                                 <cs@crl.com>
 Ph/Fax 510-988-0900                                       .plan available
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 09:37:21 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: SIIa 109 

In message <199507261753.MAA27440@butler.uk.stratus.com> Mark Talbot writes:

> Having only lived with a SIII 88" and a Range Rover, what can I expect living 
> with a 109 ???? 

;
Mark, the 109 is heavier therefore a little slower on the highway.  The turning 
radius is wider.  You will find U turns better exicuted by turning left in to a 
parking lot or going around the block.  You didn't specify two door or 4 door.  
If its a two door, you have a 6 foot bed in the back with its added space behind
the seat and between the seat and steering wheel.  if its a 4 door, you have 
better seating for more than two people.

I wouldn't trade my 109 two door for a four door or an 88.  The bed in my 109 
two door is just long enough to sleep in.  I can pack my camping gear in tubs 
and put them on the side benches leaving the centre mostly clear for the dog.  I
can fit 7 bales of hay in the two door with the top on.  It can carry a lot more
stuff.  The seat backs lean back farther, giving you more space between the 
driver and steering wheel making it seem like you have a lot more seating space.

Four door 109s seem ideal for families with kids, but I'm not sure if they are 
handy for anything else.  88s are the best off road car for situations that 
require tight turns, and are good cars for one or two people going on short 
trips and sleeping outside their car.  Their storrage space is minimal and 
inside camping is a hack.  Two door 109s are the expidition series LR of choice 
(Dormobiles excepted), and the choice for people who need to carry a lot on 
occasion.

Just one woman's opinion

TeriAnn

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:08:31 -0700
From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: Gearbox leaking again!

> Has anybody managed to stop the rear oil seal from leaking? (Other than
> draining all the oil out of the gearbox) :-)
> Richard

  
 There is a National double lip oil seal that fits*. as a matter of fact, you
can put two in. If that don't stop it you have other problems, like

                l   o                      e
                          o    s   
bearings.

R, bg

*CR 16254

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From: chris.youngson@deepcove.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:13:25 
Subject: Famous LRO's

Regarding famous LRO's, I have an interesteing story:

I live in West Vancouver, BC where alot of famous people have houses to get out
of the states for a while. I was down at the local Safeway four blocks from my
house. I noticed a rather abused looking dark green 90 parked in the lot. I
walked over and started looking the thing over, there were alot of strange
features on this truck. I believe it had coils at the front and leaves at the
back and had something like "Munga 110" in place of the "Defender 90" badge on
the front and rear. After a while the owner came out with his bag of groceries.
I started to talked to him about the truck and he said it was brought over from
th UK. I asked him how he did it and he said it was registered as, I believe, a
'73. So he had some sort of frame up conversion done. I asked him if he planned
to join the local club and he said maybe. I said goodbye at that was the end of
it for a while. Until I was at a friends place and said I had seen a new LR in
town. I described it and he said that's Bryan Adams' LR. He whipped out his
latest album(?) and low an behold that was it. I have since found out that he
does the occasional offroad run and went up the local mountains with the local
RR dealer on a promo run. I see this truck about once a month up on the
highway.

73, Chris Youngson

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:21:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Famous rover owners

Ian, another for the list is Bill Murray of "Ground Hog Day" fame.
Seems he attends the yearly festivities in Punxatawney Pa in a decked
out series vehicle. Black in color.
I haven't seen the car so I don't know if it's an 88 or 109.
I am going to the Ground Hog Day celebration next February 2nd and I'll
give a complete report then.
Later
Jon

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:34:20 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Rover Names

> Being a relatively new Discovery owner (3 days and counting) I'm still
> learning the customs of "Rover-hood". I've seen several mentions of named
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> coming up with names, some even make the paint peel, but that's another
> story).

Bob,
Sometimes fate names your Rover, as was the case with mine.
I bought my lightweight in '85 (or was it '86?) and when the tags 
came for it they were 6A666. So naturally it became know as The 
Antichrist. My co-workers named it that after they saw the plates. 
This was in VT and I'm still debating here in WI whether or not to 
get vanity plates with the same. Some people who saw the plates on 
the raod said they'd get rid of them.
Wait and see.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 13:19:33 EST
Subject: 109 Cargo Space

Legitimate comments from Teri-Ann.  Here's my 5-door two 
cents more:

The rear (middle) bench comes out easily, even for an 
increasingly lazy and old-before-my-time type like me.  With 
that, you have 2 additional means of access to items of 
buried cargo, and the same available cube.

A couple years back I volunteered to carry some paintings 
from one museum in CT to another in MD.  Pulled out the rear 
bench.  Got to CT and the enormous painting that was the 
largest item was about 2 inches too long to allow closing my 
rear door, and the receiving group strongly preferred not to 
unframe it.  I would be stopping on the road, so security 
was a consideration of sorts.  Solution:  remove the 2 bolts 
holding the seat back support bar to the center doorpost on 
the passenger side, allowing it to "hang free" while driver 
seat back was still supported.  The painting went in the 
rest of the way and I was a hero.  I'm not saying one should 
drive around like that, but adaptability to conditions and 
requirements is a L-R feature which I think is maximized in 
5-door models.  (Just my not-quite-objective opinion.)

The important thing is that you be pleased with what you 
have, not with what others are pleased with.  I suspect that 
no matter what metal-dashpanel L-R you personally have, that 
individual vehicle and its peculiarities grow on you, and 
you wind up defending her honor against perceived detractors 
no matter what.  Love is blind, and in the case of Series 
vehicles, noisy!

Hank

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:44:05 +0100
From: cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Charlie Wright)
Subject: Re: Rover Names

I find the registration plate/license plate can be a source of inspiration.
I'm LXC 984 D, which I think lends itself to Alec, or something similar
(though I haven't had him Christened yet).  If you can't tell if it's a boy
or a girl... you should at least know better than to admit that in
public...

Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@WellsFargo.COM>
Subject: Limited slip
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:09:00 PDT

Sandy Grice mentioned the limited slip sold on some NADA '66 & '67s and 
speculated that the housing looked different.

I had a '67 88 (pickup cab) that had this diff...seemed like a good idea at 
the time.  No difference in appearance from the exterior.  It was VERY 
skittish on dry pavement and I had an assortment of troubles with snapped 
half-shafts.  On the premise that I only needed limited slip when the going 
got really bad and that dry pavement handling was critical to safety I 
swapped the diffs putting the standard in the rear & Limited in 
front....solved alot of problems.  Have never owned another 
Limited-slip...maybe just a bad example but a big lesson for me...

Gerry 72 88

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Subject: Re: Feline quadrapeds 
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:40:50 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

>> Mike Rooth writes:
>> "fully armed Pink Panthers next"
  
Trever Easton wrote:
> What has a Peter Sellers movie to do with the list?

	At the risk of falling into a sarcasic trap (It's hard to tell if
electrons are being sarcastic).

1)The Brits found that pink is an amazingly good color for camoflage in the
  desert
2)The British SAS (Special Air Service Regiment) bought a bunch of 109s in the
  60's and kitted them out for long range recce, with lots of Jerry cans, a few
  mounted machineguns, and the like.
3)Put the two together and the name that appeared was pink panther. 
  

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake
 bens@vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 11:42:53 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Names

In message <199507271750.MAA29798@butler.uk.stratus.com> Charlie Wright writes:
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> I find the registration plate/license plate can be a source of inspiration.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> or a girl... you should at least know better than to admit that in
> public...

My first Land Rover was a red 88.  She got called Red Rover from the children's 
game, red rover red rover send so & so right over...  And since my Red Rover 
sent me right over, the name semed to fit.  Later I got a green 109 and it 
immediatly became The Green Rover to differentiate from Red ROver.  When I sold 
Red Rover, he name Green Rover just stuck.

TeriAnn

WHo once had a Grate Dane named Dog.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Rover Names (fwd)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 15:57:50 EDT

> ettiquite by not having a name for him (her? how DO you tell?) I usually

Does it have an overdrive?

Peek underneath-you can't miss it!

Then again, some Rovers are gelded......

Nigel was named by the SO; I had a few beers in me so it stuck like
glue.

rd/nigel

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 12:56:20 PDT
From: grea@net.gov.bc.ca (Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.))
Subject: 7.50x16 Tyres

I've recently installed 16"rims and the above mentioned tyres on
my SIIa. I checked the steering at full lock and it was very close but
tyres didnt touch. I found out that this wasn't the case when turning and 
going through a culvert. I've straightened wheel well panel that I bent
up and now I will have to adjust the steering stops. Can someone give 
me a hint as to where they are?
BTW, these Bridgestone 7.50X16 "Jeep Service" tyres are great in mud and
rock, but terrible in sand. Will have to wait a few weeks before I can 
try them in the snow.

G.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 19:33:41 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: Gearbox leaking again! 

Is the pre-load on the gearbox output shaft okay? If not this can cause the 
shaft to run eccentrically, thereby damaging the oil seal.

Have you checked the surface of the output flange for damage and, more likely 
, a groove worn where the seal rests?

Is the oil catcher on the brake backplate correctly assembled with the hole 
at the bottom?

I can answer "yes" to all of the above , but mine still leaks! However my 
leak is within manageable proportions.
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HAWTEC                   Tel:    01905 723200
Haswell House            Fax:    01905 613338 
St. Nicholas Street      Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 14:42:12 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: V8 hybred - "Taylor" like question.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: V8 hybred - "Taylor" like question.
Jim, and any LR experts...

I think we've communicated briefly already about this, (Yours are Ford
V8's, right?) But would the 215? V8 (Buick/Olds) bolt up to the trans? I
realize the engine mounts would need to be custom made, throttle
linkage, etc... but the "Advanced Adapter" for the Ford engine *OR*
transmission are $795 each! And I'd still need to find a motor! No
adapter for the Buick 231 V6 (4bbl Turbo) that I have sitting in the
garage.

My thoughts are to make the 109 into a camper/tow vehicle and tow the
"real-rough and ready" 88 to use on the trails. Would towing (no
trailer, just tow bar) a LR be harmful for it? (Locking front hubs.)
This is where I'd need the V8 power. Lot's of mountains in Arizona!! A
"support vehicle" for the 88, if you will. (Secretly hoping to tow a
float in a parade with it/them someday...)

Thanks, Jim. (And all others.)

Dave (completely mad too) Brown.

P.S. All who were interested in the 1956 107 s/w. It sold within hours
after hitting the LRO list. (To a fellow list member!) I guess that's
the advantage to real time, but with the volume we've had lately,
there's NO WAY I could go to real time. ;-( (Let's stay on topic, okay?)

P.P.S. Kind of makes me wonder if I should have grabbed it though, all
the calls and e-mail's I've gotten about it... Wonder what her name was...

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 19:06:54 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: Brake flex-lines - any idea as to the thread on the ends? 

The thread depends on the year of manufacture.  You need to be careful if you 
 are using parts from later vehicles.

As far as I know the Series IIA and Seies III up to 1980 used UNF threads 
throughout.  Basically to specify the thread all you need do is measure the 
diameter over the thread, eg 7/16" and associated it with the thread type eg 
7/16" UNF.  Of course hoses have both male and female connections, so 
you may need to describe the hose as hyaving a 7/16" UNF male thread one 
end and a 1/2" Female thread the other.

For interest "UNF" stands for "Unified National Fine" and is an adaptation of 
an American thread standard.  This, I understand, was introduced to the 
British car industry during the second World War in the course of armament 
production.
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HAWTEC                   Tel:    01905 723200
Haswell House            Fax:    01905 613338 
St. Nicholas Street      Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:12:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: headliner 

I don't know if Range Rovers have better roof liners, but I would rather 
change an engine than have to do my 88 IIA liner again.  If you think 
wall paper is hard to install try putting up a headliner.  I think next 
time I am going to take the roof off and invert it to do the glueing and 
placing.  It can't be any worse.  Dave VE4PN
On Thu, 27 Jul 1995, Tom Rowland 
wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Hello all:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> this may be.
> Thanks Much!

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From: Paul Orland <paul@clinicom.com>
Subject: Disco Pricing
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 16:35:35 MDT

I've also been shopping for a new ('95) Disco.

My preference is 5sp, no leather, no dual a/c, no jump seats, 
no dual roofs to keep the cost down. These were hard to find for a while,
but availability seems to be much better now.

The local (well, over an hour away) dealer will actually knock $500 off
MSRP on the two he has in stock.

A little net surfing found the invoice price of the Disco
(gopher://gopher.enews.com:2100/11/showroom/edmunds/newcars%09$)
at $26775 + $625 shipping = $27400 and a
MSRP of $29950 + $625 = $30575. I also found a net based car buying service
(http://www.csn.net/~jlw-ybul/index.html)
that claims that they can get one out of NYC for invoice + $1500 + $500
appx. transport to Colorado. So bottom line would be $29400 vs. the local
dealers price of $30075. Seems like alot of potential hassle for $675.

A fully loaded disco would add about another $1000 of dealer profit, so
maybe slightly better deals would be had on them.

Compare this to, say a Montero LS, which with equivelant equpment stickers
within a few hundred of the Disco, but you can knock almost $5k of the
price with invoice plus pricing and dealer incentives.

Problem is, i just don't like it as much!

With resale prices driven so heavily by cost increases on new models, it
would be nice to know what LR has in mind for '96 US Disco pricing...

- Paul.
	paul@clinicom.com

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 16:29:09 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re V8 hybred -"Taylor II"

In message <199507272143.QAA00110@butler.uk.stratus.com>  writes:

> My thoughts are to make the 109 into a camper/tow vehicle and tow the
> "real-rough and ready" 88 to use on the trails. Would towing (no
; trailer, just tow bar) a LR be harmful for it? (Locking front hubs.)
> This is where I'd need the V8 power.
;
 Scotty currently has an 88 that his oldest son, Andrew, gave him.  It currently
has a small block Ford V8 installed.  Supposed to be a nice instillation (Its 
been several years since I looked under the bonnet of that car so I don't 
remember).  Anyway, Scotty is planning on pulling out the V8 and replacing it 
with a Chevy 4 cyl.  If you cantact him, he might consider selling the engine, 
transmission adaptor, engine mount adaptors and special exhaust manifolds.  its 
a chance to get everything you need for a well engineered pretested V8 
conversion.  Scotty's answering machine is:510-686-2255.  He will pick the phone
up if he is near it, otherwise He'll call back.

 
> P.P.S. Kind of makes me wonder if I should have grabbed it though, all
> the calls and e-mail's I've gotten about it... Wonder what her name was...

'Twern't me.  If I was going to go after a series I, I would most likely go for 
a UK 80 that already had a Rover V8 stuffed into it.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:32:06 GMT -0600
Subject:       RE: Brake flex-lines - any idea as to the thread on the end

Tony Chapman wrote:
> 7/16" UNF.  Of course hoses have both male and female connections, so 
> you may need to describe the hose as hyaving a 7/16" UNF male thread one 
> end and a 1/2" Female thread the other.

Tony, 
I don't know about the UK, but from my '62 to my '74, I've never seen a 
Land Rover that had a brake flex line with a female end.
Did they really use some with female ends?
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jul 1995 21:01:42 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Disco Pricing

> MSRP of $29950 + $625 = $30575. I also found a net based car buying service
> (http://www.csn.net/~jlw-ybul/index.html)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> appx. transport to Colorado. So bottom line would be $29400 vs. the local
> dealers price of $30075. Seems like alot of potential hassle for $675.
Paul,
Another thing to keep in mind with that idea would be having to deal with the 
resentment the dealer would most likely display every time you took the rover 
in for warranty work. Dealers usually don't make much, if anthing, on 
warranty work. For $675 I'd go local.
My two cents.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 27 Jul 1995 21:11:08 GMT -0600
Subject:       DAP Enterprises (long)

I'd like to hear from people that have dealt with DAP
Enterprises recently to see if I'm alone in my experience.

I first started dealing with AL Tocci shortly after he went
full time with LR parts and work. One thing that really
drew me to DAP was his customer service. He seemed
always willing to listen (and to talk) and if there was ever a
problem with a part he would take it back with almost no
questions asked. Actually I only had a problem once or
twice. As an example, I bought my lightweight from him,
as is. When I had to switch the gearbox a few months later
because of a cracked gear, he said send him the gear and
he'd send me another gearbox (foolish me, I never did). He
seemed quite free with advice also, which came in quite
handy at times. 

On his recommendation I bought my modified Jeep master cyl. from him. I 
hadn't talked to him in a year or so, not having needed any parts for the 
Antichrist:-), and learned from the list he had sold out to Bruce ? in VT. 

My brakes were starting to get a little weak and since I had
misplaced the PN I didn't know which kit to buy. I had
DAP's new Fax number so I sent one Friday June 30th
outlining the situation, describing as best I could the master
cyl. I said that I wanted to get it rebuilt Saturday so a
faxed reply would be appreciated, assuming it would be
cheaper than a phone call, where you might end up in a
long discussion. No reply.

On the 5th or 6th of July I called and got his secretary. I
said I had sent a fax and hadn't heard anything and was
wondering if they'd received it and, if so, had they been able
to come up with a P.N.. That's almost verbatim what I
said. She said she didn't know, Bruce was on the phone but she'd give Bruce 
the message.

A little later he called me with a very sour attitude. Acting
like I had harassed his secretary, accused them of ignoring
me and what-not. He then went on to say he received the
fax but didn't know about the part. He said Al hadn't been
around because of the holiday and would be there the
following week, the 7th, and he'd ask him about it. He cut
me off at least once or twice when I tried to say I was only
trying to follow up on the fax.

On the 12th I faxed him asking if they had come up with
anything. I have yet to hear from him. A postcard is only
$0.29. True, I could call, but after the last conversation I
don't have much incentive.

Is this an isolated case or is it typical of the new
ownership? Having worked in the retail trade and prided
myself on listening and providing good customer service,
perhaps I'm too intolerant of bad service. But right now I
think I'll take my business elsewhere.
How have others fared?

PS. The Jeep master cyl P.N. is Wagner # MC F71277. I
have since found the remains of the box.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:59:28 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Electric sending units

Okay gang, I know that the Smiths's electric oil pressure unit is a piece of 
crap...I only got 210,000 miles outta mine and it quit.  I've got two others 
as spares, but I was wondering, just how does it work?  Is it an ohmmeter 
like the fuel guage or is it in essence a voltmeter?  And does it pass more 
or less current/voltage/smoke as the pressure increases (inverted scale) or 
less.  Enquiring minds want to know.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:39:48 -0400
Subject: Overdrive and Disco wipers

Two questions:
1.)  Has anyone ever driven a PTO device off the rear of an overdrive unit?
 I'd like to drive my PTO winch and still keep the winch(have my cake and eat
it too!)

2.)  A friend has a '94 Disco and his front wipers freeze in the middle of
their arc when they're on the intermittent setting.  He says they freeze for
a couple of seconds and then finish their cycle.  He says it all started
after the dealer fiddled with the blinker/light cluster in their quest to
silence a squeak.  Any thoughts on what might me the culprit?  Loose wire or
fried relay?  Lucas strikes again?
       
Cheers!     John Cassidy

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:32:35 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: DAP Enterprises (long)

 Tom Rowe <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> writes:

>I'd like to hear from people that have dealt with DAP
>Enterprises recently to see if I'm alone in my experience.
>(snip)

 My experiences with DAP Enterprises have always been very positive,
 and I'd give them the benefit of the doubt (after all, you're asking
 them about a *JEEP* part).  I'm glad they're around with their free
 advice, rapid shipping of obscure parts for 25+ year old vehicles,
 their consistently low prices (nearly 30% less than RN!), and if
 nothing else, to keep the other vendors in line.

 I have to agree with Al somewhat in considering net-users exceeding
 the worst gaggle of old wo/men chattering away; and I add, willing to
 destroy a reputation with a keystroke.

 Michael Carradine, Architect                                 <cs@crl.com>
 Ph/Fax 510-988-0900                                       .plan available
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 00:21:51 -0400
Subject: Rodents & biskies

All this talk about rodents, ants and chonko chip lemon biskies, recalled to
my mind an experience I had that taught me a lesson. Once I left a burrito on
the seat and the driver's side window open. Well the cute little wackoons had
a mombo fest in there that night! And they even had the turn signal going for
the total disco effect! It was quite a sight in the morning and the dead
battery from all the flashing was the icing on my cake. Now the turn
indicator is only on via key, and I finish the burritos myself. The window
just stays where I forget it.
See 'ya on the old road...
Jim  '61 88" SW / OD, 1 Bbl weber & 16's   (econobox?)
LR....quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised! 

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: V8 hybred-towing
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:05:55 +0930 (CST)

Hi David

> linkage, etc... but the "Advanced Adapter" for the Ford engine *OR*
> transmission are $795 each! And I'd still need to find a motor!

Hmm..  Why not consider a 302W and C4 (? 6) Auto.  Saw a *very* neat conversion
of this type once many years ago...  Reputedly worked as good as it looked
and sounded :-)  Must be lots of these in the states???

> "real-rough and ready" 88 to use on the trails. Would towing (no
> trailer, just tow bar) a LR be harmful for it? (Locking front hubs.)

IMHO probably not.  throw the transfer into neutral (and make sure it stays
there) and roll away.  ( Hey didnt we cover 4 wheel locking hubs when
taylor was here, even less wear...)

A guy in our club does just this.  Has a 4.4L Leyland V8 powered 5sp + OD
(64?) IIA Forward control which tows a 2.25 sIII 88 using a solid A frame.
The shorty seems to go just fine and is no worse for wear...  When the shorty
is getting more than a 1 off use he swaps the 9.00-16 bartreads from the FC
to the 88...    Looks impressive....... 

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
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