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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 01:40:59 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: '56 Series I 107 5-door for sale...

> then $3000 finding original parts and repairing, then sell for $5500,
> netting $300 for my 3000 hours of labor, blood, sweat, and tears?

I would say that $5500 is awful low for a restored, rust-free 107".  That's 
the cost of a good condition 88" hereabouts.  I would guess that 10K would not 
be unreasonable, if you restored it both mechanically and decoratively.  
Possibly even more.  Certainly something like $7500 would sell it quick.

But, $3K may be a bit optimistic for the restoration cost.  I dunno.

Even so, if you put $5200 into it, then sell it for 10,200, you make a $5000 
profit, which (at 3000 hours) is $1.66/hour.  As an investment, it's not a 
good idea.

But, you don't buy Land Rovers with your calculator.  Go for it.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 01:41:08 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Prices of Land Rovers in US

TeriAnn invests wisely...
> Roger I paid US$350 for my 109 two door. Considering it has a good body,
[...snip...]
> suspect she would be worth over US$10K.  Not bad for an initial $350
>  investment

> What do I care what she is worth, I never plan to sell her anyway, so the
> value is meaningless.

Guess that means she's priceless.

(Same story on my 109")

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Rover Names
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 9:40:45 BST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> +44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
> +44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
> cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England
How 'bout LeXiC? Short for Dyslexic.Well,anything with Lucas
aboard.......

Mike Rooth

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Re: EPA's Imports Hotline
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 03:57:11 -0500 (CDT)

Michael Carradine writes:

  Talking at length with the local San Francisco office, as far as EPA
  is concerned, the engine is the car!  That is, putting a 1980 engine
  into a 1968 vehicle will put you into 1980 EPA standards.  The engine
  will have to be complete with all the emmissions and exhaust as req'd
  for 1980.  They don't care about the body style (other agencies do!).

What you say makes sense, and I would have figured that it would be
the engine that would decide the year as well.  Maybe I was a bit too
hasty.  I should have asked additional questions in more detail, and
do plan to call them back.

I know california has it's own set of rules on this.  Could it be
specific to the California EPA?

  Maybe the lady you spoke with assumed you were replacing the engine
  with a like model (?), of course I wouldn't even bring it up.  ~$~ 

When I asked my question, I figure she would have said something
like "As long as it's the same year or earlier".  I didn't expect her
to say "Not at all".  But it would be pretty silly of me not to go
into further detail before trying to ship a non- standard vehicle
back.

BTW, What other agencies care about the body style on a pre-68
vehicle?  (as long as the VIN is the same?)  I thought it was
perfectly legal to import a coil sprung SII, for example.  (If not, I
have a lot more research to do...not that I necessarily want a
coil-springer...or is that coil-sprunger)

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:46:29 +0000
Subject:       Re: V8 hybred - "Taylor" like question.

On 27 Jul 95, DEBROWN@srp.gov wrote:

> My thoughts are to make the 109 into a camper/tow vehicle and tow the
> "real-rough and ready" 88 to use on the trails. Would towing (no trailer,
> just tow bar) a LR be harmful for it? (Locking front hubs.)
We have several people who tow SWBs to trials.
The trick is to free the free-wheeling hubs, stick the gearbox AND 
TRANSFER BOX into neutral and tow the LR with an A-frame:

#         /----- A-Frame which goes from a single ball on the
#@-***\   |        back of the tow-car to two balls on the towed
#      ****\       LR.
#      |    **-@
#      ****/
#@-***/
#|
|\--- One of two tow-balls (mounted in front of the chassis rails)
> "real-rough and ready" 88 to use on the trails. Would towing (no trailer,
> just tow bar) a LR be harmful for it? (Locking front hubs.)
\--- Front bumber

This system keeps the LR fairly rigidly behind the tow-car, and stops it 
from 'snaking' behind you as you drive.

PS don't forget to unlock the steering :-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Disco transmission whine
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:24:25 BST

Friend has a 6 month old Disco with 5K miles on it.
It has a whine coming from the transmission - happens
about 40-60 mph (varying in pitch and intensity), in gear
and in neutral, with the clutch in or out.

He claims the noise has appeared relatively recently, and
that a recent service produced no changes to it.

Any ideas?  Is this normal - it doesn't sound _bad_; just
a little louder than one would like.

It's not tyre noise, as you can hear that changing with
different road surfaces.

The noise disappears below 40 and above 60 is drowned out
by air and engine noise.  The dealer/service place claims
that there is no noise...  typical.

All the best,

Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:50:56 -0400
From: Stephen Thomas <stephen.thomas@tridom.com>
Subject: Re: Disco wipers

John asks:

>2.)  A friend has a '94 Disco and his front wipers freeze in the middle of
>their arc when they're on the intermittent setting.  He says they freeze for
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>silence a squeak.  Any thoughts on what might me the culprit?  Loose wire or
>fried relay?  Lucas strikes again?

Been there, done that. Bad relay. (And the service department did mention
that my Disco wasn't the first they had seen with the problem.)

--Stephen
____________________________________________________________
Stephen Thomas
AT&T Tridom                 Phone: (404) 514-3522
840 Franklin Court          Fax:   (404) 514-3491
Marietta, GA 30067  USA     Email: stephen.thomas@tridom.com

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Pink Panther
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 08:11:00 DST

Ben Smith writes
At the risk of falling into a sarcastic trap

Remember, Ben, we met at Owls Head. The English chap Blue 88 SW, wife Mary 
long haired brunette.
Personal experience dictates, when communicating with an Englishman (me) 
whether electronically or otherwise always assume sarcasm first.

PS When kitted out with all that gear and powered by the 2283 four "Pink 
Slug" would probably be more appropriate. See August LRO mag for nice resto.

Trevor Easton (Do I feel another limerick about to emerge)

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: I really should be working
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 08:34:00 DST

An SAS type in Tobruk
Said " To hide we won't go by the book.
With our cute coat of paint, thought pooftahs we ain't,
in our Panthers we'll sure have the look

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:29:58 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: DAP Enterprises

Michael,

>  My experiences with DAP Enterprises have always been very positive,
As I said in my post, my experiences, also, were always postive. 
In fact I didn't always find DAP to be the cheapest, but I *always*
delt with Al (unless he was out of something I needed *now*) because 
of his attitude. To me service is more important than price, within 
reason of course. In fact, when it was posted about DAP moving to VT 
a few months back, I chimed in with my two cents worth on DAP being a 
business worthy of patronage.

>  and I'd give them the benefit of the doubt 
I *was* giving them the benifit of the doubt by allowing plenty of time 
for a postcard to arrive, assuming Bruce had no luck and was saving 
the price of a phone call or fax. After all, he said he'd get back to 
me.

>(after all, you're asking  them about a *JEEP* part).  
A part purchaced from DAP, albeit some time ago.

>willing to destroy a reputation with a keystroke.
I can't do that. If this was an isolated case I'm sure to hear from 
others like yourself who have had nothing but postive dealings with 
the new DAP. The net seems to be the best place to find out about the 
typical dealings with a particular company. Maybe I'm becoming a 
curmudgeon as I get older, but I don't let businesses get away with 
lousy service anymore.
If DAP is still the business I reccomended far and wide (I kept a 
stack of Al's business cards to hand out to every Rover owner I met, 
a lot of whom didn't know about DAP) my appologies. But my first 
dealing with Bruce lead me to think otherwise.
If  I turn out to be wrong I certainly will post that also.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: 28 Jul 95 09:00:10 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Building my own Pink Panther 

<< "fully armed Pink Panthers next"

I've bounced around the idea of doing a Pink Panther conversion myself... Can't
possibly afford to buy one of the real ones as prices are astronomical.  But I
could easily (I believe) build one and I may have found a suitably shot donor
109 (interior fire... yuk)

Does anyone have any documentation of the modifications, sources for specialized
parts (like the Bren Gun holders on the fenders and smoke grenade launchers) and
specifics on what the proper kit was... 

My restoration list is getting short (By Spring, all my vehicles will be done
and in good shape -- now what fun will *that* be) and I have sort of been
tossing this idea around.  Any thoughts?

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: 28 Jul 95 09:03:13 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Popeet frame extender

<<<  the Popeet Frame Extender/Compresser

Can someone send me the quotes on this (or at least the gist of this concept) so
that I can include it in the Taylor Q&A set?  What a great concept!!! You can
have an 88-->109 LR!

Thanks, 
Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: 28 Jul 95 09:14:19 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Another Famous Owner

Ian:

I believe Jim Carey (of Dumb and Dumber fame) has a Series 88 purchased while he
was filming part II of Ace Ventura.  Apparently, there are a bunch of Rovers
blown up in that movie, and the folks who supplied them at DownEast Rovers
mentioned that several case members and crew members had been so impressed with
Rovers they had ordered/bought them.

Cheers,

R. P. Reid

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Building my own Pink Panther
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 14:28:25 BST

There's a good article in the current LRO magazine,also I
beleive the Dunsfold Land Rover trust have two,and may
be able to assist.
No Bren's,though.Two,presumably 7.62mm Gp
(sorry)GP machine guns,one mounted aft and the other in the
commanders position.Tyres 9.00X16 with extended spring
hangers to raise the vehicle.All of them I've seen either
on film or photo are RHD.
No doors,no winshield,spare in crash position on front
bumper.
I *said* it would come to this........
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:32:59 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Building my own Pink Panther 

> I've bounced around the idea of doing a Pink Panther conversion myself... Can't
> possibly afford to buy one of the real ones as prices are astronomical.  But I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> tossing this idea around.  Any thoughts?
> Cheers, 
> R. P. Reid
Sounds like fun, and cheaper than the people over here that collect 
tanks. There was a piece on the tube last night about several people 
that have substaintial collections of restored tanks.
As for info. There was a book supossedly published in England by 
ISO Publications in the late '60's or early '70's called something 
like "Military Land Rovers". I say "supposedly" because I sent a check 
for one prior to the publication date but never got it.  Anyway, it 
was directed at modelers, but if it was like their other pubs, it 
would have had quite detailed photos. Sources I can't help with.

PS If you come across the book let me know. I'd still like to get my 
copy. I even still have the canceled check on the theory that some 
day I'll locate ISO Pubs.

Have fun.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Ahmad Ijaz" <AIJAZ@alston.cba.ua.edu>
Date:          Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:53:44 CDT
Subject:       U.S. Imports

    I have heard there is a law in the works now that would let 
anyone import any vehicle as long as the vehicle is 25 year old.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 28 Jul 95 10:40:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Building my own Pink Panther

Wouldn't this be an answer for the BMW problem?

Picture, if you will, the wondrous sight of BMW headquarters being leveled by
the combined grenade fire of a batch of PP conversions...with the
occasional Diesel laying down a protective smokescreen...<grin>

Actually, I'd be concerned at the safety/drivability issues inherent in
a Pink Panther conversion. Not having doors or a windscreen, as well
as the danger of the gun/grenade mounts (who needs bull bars?)
would make me think of this kind of conversion as a showpiece
rather than a daily driver.

Then again, in Boston ommuter traffic, grenade launchers might be a good idea.

Anybody got any opinions on this part of the issue? -ajr

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Building my own Pink Panther
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 16:30:02 BST

Er...Alan,
I think they're *supposed* to be dangerous.But I wouldnt
worry about the forward smoke launchers getting bent by
a careless pedestrian.The spare wheel sticks out in front,
nearly horizontal.If they didnt bounce off the tyre,the
wheel would scoop 'em up.They could then be disposed of
by the vehicle commander/forward gunner.
Strangely enough,I think the only thing the fuzzy-wuzzies
would object to over here,would be the lack of doors.
Someone corect me if I'm wrong,but it sounds daft enough
to be true.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Guydell@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 11:51:47 -0400
Subject: RR headliners

The local Land Rover dealer in Walnut Creek (CA) quoted me $399 for a
complete headliner replacement for a 90 Range Rover (less 15-20% with a
resale number) and no charge for shipping (they ship from the warehouse in TN
by truck).  I am considering a new one myself.  Anyone had experience on
installation?

Regards,

Guy della-Cioppa
90 Range Rover County (Beluga Black)

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:40:09 -0400
Subject: Selling My 109" 

Well.....alas.....guess I can't keep everything.    A new baby in the oven,
 several unfinished Alfa Romeo projects and a ham radio habit tend to eat
away at my toy money.   I've decided to put Hugo up for adoption.    Hugo is
a VERY straight 1966  Series IIA,  109"  5 door wagon.  (VIN # 826630765)
  No signs of major collision or repair during his 29 years.   Wears size
235/85/16 shoes on his rims,  with 90% of their tread remaining.  Standard
green in color,  sports a white tropical roof panel with the oval horizontal
windows  in the top section.   All guages work except for the odometer
itself. ( The speedometer works fine.)    Excellent oil pressure.    Original
(except for alternator conversion) and relatively clean under the hood
(bonnet, for some of you).    Sold, serviced and maintained by Harrell Motor
Sales most of his life (one of the first Land Rover Dealers in the US back in
the 'old days'......Ted, the chief mechanic,  has been with Harrells more
than 40 years).

Hugo anxiously cranks and runs on demand,  is a non smoker,  and recently
passed the stringent North Carolina DMV inspection with an excellent report
card.   Has excellent floorboards,  NO rust where you'd expect it around the
bottom of the bulkhead, the outriggers show some patching but overall the
frame passes the hammer and screwdriver test with flying colors.    Comes
with set of new 'Genuine' door seals,  yet to be installed,  and other
various parts that I've accumulated,  including an old original parts manual.

So what does he need?   Mostly cosmetic stuff.....a set of seats,  seat
covers,  or a new roll of duct tape.   Could use a new rear headliner,  and a
rear exhaust section, and lower sliding window channels.    Could use spring
mount bushings if your really picky.   Right rear taillight lens is cracked.
  Actually,  a type A  'anal' personality could probably quickly spend a
grand on trivial toys, goodies and pretty things but Hugo is fully ready and
serviceable just as he stands.

I need to get $8500. (US) in order to let Hugo leave.  Cash or certified bank
funds only. Visitors are welcome.    If you're seriously interested and have
more questions feel free to call (704) 289-6303 or email.

Thanks all.
Cordially:
Rick Crider   <rickcrider@aol.com>
111 S.  Hayne  St.
Monroe  NC  28112   (Thats near Charlotte NC)

' 66 IIA  109"
' 73 III    88"
' 88 Range Rover (the daily mule)
.....and more Alfa's than I'm willing to admit.

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From: Guydell@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:11:19 -0400
Subject: RR headliners $ quote

I think I goofed on that quote ($399).  The Land Rover dealer in Walnut Creek
(CA) quoted me $499 (I think) for a complete headliner replacement for a 90
Range Rover.

Regards,

Guy della-Cioppa
90 Range Rover County (Beluga Black)

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:27:39 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re[2]: EPA's Imports Hotline

 Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com> writes:

>BTW, What other agencies care about the body style on a pre-68
 vehicle?  (as long as the VIN is the same?)  I thought it was
 perfectly legal to import a coil sprung SII, for example.  (If not, I
 have a lot more research to do...not that I necessarily want a
 coil-springer...or is that coil-sprunger)

 Besides the EPA looking at engine types and emissions, you have DOT
 for vehicle safety standards (I think they have a 21 year expiry),
 Customs for duty determination (2.5% passenger cars, 25% for trucks,
 less a $1000 personal exemption), and of course the State which varies.
 In California they're sticking with original equipment for all model
 years (after '67 ?), with imports allowed for only those models
 specifically designed and equipped for the US (ie, no '75 Series III
 since they were not officially imported into the US).

 I've heard of cars here in the US taken back to the UK for a frame
 restoration, body and engine remake.  They have the advantage of the
 previous US registration and paperwork, "Just bringing the ol' Rover
 back!"  That's a little chancier and not any different than ordering
 all the parts and doing a rebuild here to the point of keeping just
 the chassis number.  I'm not certain if you wouldn't have to indicate
 to the DMV that you have a new chassis number at one point(?).

 I would think that importing a new to you S-II with a NEW chassis
 would be risky.  The DMV can look up the chassis number and not find
 it, then what?  Or does the new chassis have the old number?  The
 vehicle most likely will clear Customs, DOT, and EPA based on the
 title, but if you can't get plates?

 Michael Carradine, Architect                                 <cs@crl.com>
 Ph/Fax 510-988-0900                                       .plan available
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:51:29 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: U.S. Imports

 Ahmad Ijaz  <AIJAZ@alston.cba.ua.edu> writes:

>    I have heard there is a law in the works now that would let 
>anyone import any vehicle as long as the vehicle is 25 year old.

 There already is, In CANADA!  In fact, I think it's only 15 years
 there.

 As to the US, I can't imagine that after all the work California
 and other states have put in establishing their tough environmental
 regulations and emission standards, removing old clunkers from the
 road, etc.  that they would suddenly drop all restrictions on 25+
 year old vehicles.  For several years California had a rule about
 not enforcing emissions on cars over 21 years old.  I kept my '72
 TR6 (with 3 double barrel Webers!) in storage for 5 years waiting
 for 1993 to roll around....  In the mean time, California revised
 their statues and are now enforcing emissions for all model years
 as originally designed FOREVER!  (*&$%#@!!)

 However, if you find any more hard facts on the 25 year rule,
 please let me know personally.  1997 is not too far away *8)

  
 Michael Carradine, Architect                                 <cs@crl.com>
 Ph/Fax 510-988-0900                                       .plan available
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: 28 Jul 1995 10:29:57 U
From: "Guzelis.Pete" <guzelis.pete@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Here's one for the books. I ordered a service manual for my '94 Disco from the
local Santa Ana, Ca. dealership where I bought my LR for a MERE $80 US. Not bad
eh! (Ha Ha). Gets better. Went to pick up the manual and it was handed to me
bound in plastic. The obvious ??? - where is the hard cover? Oh, LR has decided
not to give hard covers with the manual since there are a number of replacement
pages that need to be added (quite logical). OK, I'll just go to my local
stationary store and get one. Sorry sir. A 4 ring binder has to be special
ordered for only $10 US. Oh well, why not. Got the darn cover the other day
after a week's wait. Guess what,the holes don't line up. Return - get the money
back and get the official LR hard cover for a lousy $12. Word to the wise for
future new LR buyers, get one at the time of vehicle delivery along with the
cover. With all the running around, I must have spent $25 for gas. I now have a
$117 Service Manual.
_______________________
From: Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com on Fri, Jul 28, 1995 2:19 AM
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
File(s): The Land Rover Owner Daily Dige

Text too big (>32K). See enclosure.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:44:08 -0700
From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong)
Subject: Re: DAP Enterprises (long)

Michael,

I think Tom was asking about DAP *recently* as in "under the new management" 
(So Tom you bought one of those LW rovers Al brought in)  I also have had 
great service from Al and Skip at DAP but have not had the need to buy 
anything recently so I can't help with recent feedback.

Anybody know what Al is up to? Racing fulltime?  I guess Skip is working at 
another parts place on the Cape?

> Michael Carradine writes:
> Tom Rowe <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> writes:

>>I'd like to hear from people that have dealt with DAP
>>Enterprises recently to see if I'm alone in my experience.
>>(snip)

> My experiences with DAP Enterprises have always been very positive,
> and I'd give them the benefit of the doubt (after all, you're asking
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> their consistently low prices (nearly 30% less than RN!), and if
> nothing else, to keep the other vendors in line.

> I have to agree with Al somewhat in considering net-users exceeding
> the worst gaggle of old wo/men chattering away; and I add, willing to
> destroy a reputation with a keystroke.

> Michael Carradine, Architect                                 <cs@crl.com>
John Hong      Haiku Systems    Notes Business Partner
Consultant    jhong@haiku.com      408-249-8340

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:44:14 -0700
From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong)
Subject: Re: DAP Enterprises 

Michael,

I think Tom was asking about DAP *recently* as in "under the new management" 
(So Tom you bought one of those LW rovers Al brought in)  I also have had 
great service from Al and Skip at DAP but have not had the need to buy 
anything recently so I can't help with recent feedback.

Anybody know what Al is up to? Racing fulltime?  I guess Skip is working at 
another parts place on the Cape?

> Michael Carradine writes:
> Tom Rowe <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> writes:

>>I'd like to hear from people that have dealt with DAP
>>Enterprises recently to see if I'm alone in my experience.
>>(snip)

> My experiences with DAP Enterprises have always been very positive,
> and I'd give them the benefit of the doubt (after all, you're asking
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> their consistently low prices (nearly 30% less than RN!), and if
> nothing else, to keep the other vendors in line.

> I have to agree with Al somewhat in considering net-users exceeding
> the worst gaggle of old wo/men chattering away; and I add, willing to
> destroy a reputation with a keystroke.

> Michael Carradine, Architect                                 <cs@crl.com>
John Hong      Haiku Systems    Notes Business Partner
Consultant    jhong@haiku.com      408-249-8340

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: D90:Steering Groans (fwd)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 06:52:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: D90:Steering Groans

Thank-you for your message in the LRO digest yesterday. I have a '94 D90 
that I bought at the end of 1993 (now has 18,000 miles). As I was driving 
o the dealer's lott, it groaned and the service manager listened and said 
the would replace the steering box under warranty but that the noise 
"wasn't serious." After a couple of months, the dealer said a new box had 
arrived, and mine was replaced. The noise persisted, and has since. No 
change over 18K miles.
It happens when I am starting up, pulling out of a parking space or 
backing up, and **turning the wheel hard to left** as you mentioned in 
your notice. It isn't constant, but happens during a portion of the 
wheel-turning circle, like so: groan______groan______g-r-o-a-n (lasts 
longer if I turn the wheel slower).
I've gotten used to it, but first timers in the D90 ask "What's that?" 
and passers-by look over. [Maybe my Land Rover is telling me its name...]
Does this sound like the groaning due to steering pipe resonance? If so 
I'll try the dealer again.
Thanks again for your help, and happy Land Rover -ing!
David Rosenbaum

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:23:51 -0400
Subject: Re: headliner 

Regarding the sagging headliner.........

It's at least comforting to know someone else is p#$^ed about theirs......The
only thing holding mine up are the dome lights and the sun roof retainer
strip.    Think mine was a result of lot's of driving with all windows down
and the tailhatch up...allowing it to increasingly billow in the wind.
   Shame such a nice (and expensive) vehicle sports a headliner of Ford Pinto
quality.    Considered shooting a photo and sending it to
LR.....but....alas....lifes to short.    Anxious to see the responses to
tsrowlans query.

Regards...
Rick Crider
<rickcrider@aol.com>
' 66 IIA  109"
' 73 III    88"
' 88 Range  Rover..........with sagging headliner..........sigh......

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:05:29 -0400
Subject: Selling my 109" Correction

Sorry folks.......I really feel like an idiot........The VIN # that I listed
in my posting is actually the North Carolina title #,  and it is the correct
title #.   Dixon Kenner was nice enough to tip me off on my goof up.   The
VIN # is 26408075 C.   Confirmed and verified.  Thanks Dixon for your help.
Regards......
Rick Crider
<rickcrider@aol.com>

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Date: 28 Jul 95 15:09:34 EDT
From: <Glen_Rees@parlon2.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: SERIES LR SEATBELTS

     More seatbelt wittering
     
     I had a conversation with a traffic cop a few years ago when 
     installing belts to my 86" utility.
     
     The law (UK) requires that seat belts are worn at all times (if 
     fitted!)  However, any seat belt fitted to a SI & SII will not have a 
     fixing point that complies to the relevant BS (British Standard), 
     therefor, even though the belt complies to BS, it can not technically 
     be called a "seat belt" in legal terms, since the whole installation 
     does not comply to BS, and therefor does not have to be worn. 
     
     This also poses another question regarding the MOT, if fitted they must 
     work. But if the fixing does not comlpy to BS, should it fail the test?
     
     Having said all that, what sort of bozo would not wear it, since some 
     protection is better than none! 
     
     Glenn

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 22:01:41 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: Brake Flex Lines

Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 21:39:36 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: Brake flex-lines - any idea as to the thread on the end 
No, I've never seen a Land Rover brake hose with a female thread.  Must have 
been thinking of my '56 Morris Minor....

But then again the moggy doesn't have any such hoses.  Where did I get this 
idea from?  Obviously a case of brain fade! 
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Tony Chapman             E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
HAWTEC                   Tel:    01905 723200
Haswell House            Fax:    01905 613338 
St. Nicholas Street      Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 21:45:13 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: 7.50x16 Tyres 

The steering stop on each front wheel formed of the foremost bolt on the 
swivel housing oils seal reatiner.  This has a lock nut to stpo it coming 
undone and to hold the retainer in place.  The head of this bolt mates with 
the toe of an "L" shaped bracket secured to the foremost of the bolts holding 
the swivel housing to the axle casing.

What size rims are fitted?  Land Rover specify different rims for these 
tyres compared with those for the standard SWB using 6.00x16 tyres.  I 
understand that these have greater offset which might overcome the problem.

The rims normally have part numbers.  If you mail these to me I might be able 
to identify them.
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Tony Chapman             E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
HAWTEC                   Tel:    01905 723200
Haswell House            Fax:    01905 613338 
St. Nicholas Street      Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:42:34 +0100
From: cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Charlie Wright)
Subject: Farewell...

Hasta y'all.

I'm off to finish my the panic of moving back Stateside, thanks for keeping
the spare minutes interesting. I'll be offline/unsubscribed for a little
while, until I get a local dialup connection.

Email won't change for awhile, but I won't answer reliably after Sunday.  I
should hope I will be reunited with my 109 and the list in about a month..

Cheers to all,
Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 15:19:12 PDT
From: grea@net.gov.bc.ca (Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.))
Subject: LRO Celebs.

>from: chris.youngson@deepcove.com
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:13:25 
>Subject: Famous LRO's

>Regarding famous LRO's, I have an interesteing story:

>I live in West Vancouver, BC where alot of famous people have houses to get out
>of the states for a while.

BTW , Brian isn't just anouther rich 'merican escaping to Vancouver. He was born and raised in North Vancouver and has a house and recording studio in West Van.
Also, the celebrity list shows Micheal J.Fox as (US). He's anouther Vancouver
native. 

G. 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 19:12:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: DAP Enterprises (long)

Tom Rowe recounts his experiances and asks....

> I'd like to hear from people that have dealt with DAP
> Enterprises recently to see if I'm alone in my experience.
/
His question dealt with a rebuild kit for a Jeep master cylinder installed
on his Land Rover...

> On his recommendation I bought my modified Jeep master cyl. from him. I 
/
 
Problem #1. Jeep Part. Land Rover Parts supplier.

I've only dealt with Bruce once and had no problems at all. I sent a fax
requesting a quote on some prices for *LAND ROVER* parts and got a fax back
the same morning. I subsequently ordered the parts. Again, no problems.

I would assume that the previous owner (Al) had his own list of substitute
parts for things like the Jeep master cylinder and Bruce may have decided
not to follow that practice. It would have been nice if he could have told
you straight away that he couldn't help you - if that was the case.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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Date: 28 Jul 95 23:56:53 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Isuzu Diesels in U.S.

>From reading the land rover mags from the UK it seems that an engine of choice
when it comes to a transplant is the Isuzu 2.8 turbo. While I don't believe that
this engine is available in the US the 3.9 turbo is. many of the delivery trucks
use this mill and i believe that General Motors has some sort of agreement with
Isuzu as this engine also appears in some GMC trucks. I recently read an article
in LRW about an Aussie LR that was equipped with this engine. I believe it was a
110. I was wondering if anyone new of a conversion kit for this engine to mate
it to a LR gearbox, and will it fit in an 88? I think a coil sprung 88 with this
engine would be great and parts would be no problem. If LRNA won't sell me a TDi
90 then I'll just build it myself!	

				Mark Ritter 94 Disco
what can be concieved can be created

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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 14:14:46 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: N. Spain

Nick Hayden is going to N.Spain and asks ...
---
 ) From: pbeecher@pavilion.co.uk (Phil Beecher)
 ) I'm Nick Hayden (c/o friend Phil) Brighton, England.

 )  ... LWB SW 2.6L ...

 ) I am also 
 ) planning a return trip to spectacular mountains in N Spain (Picos de Europa 
 ) - Asturias ... try search under Speleology for info) and would be glad to 
 ) hear from anyone who may care to join a drive/walking party.

 ) with regards, Nick
 ) Phil Beecher      pbeecher@pavilion.co.uk (home)

---
Lloyd

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 21:24:28 PDT
From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot)
Subject: Re: Customs parts vehicle 

All, 

Can anyone tell me what the US customs dept accepts as a "Parts Vehicle". The 
reason why is this. A friend of mine wants to bring in a 1986 Land Rover 110 
v8 that he has in the UK. My understanding is this Land Rover is in need of 
repair, rear x-member gone, dented panels, rusting frame. He called customs 
and asked them and they could'nt really give him a straight answer. The 110 is 
a pre EFI V8.

He wants to know if he takes the engine and g'box out, removes the glass and 
the odd door, removes the rusted x-member, then does this then mean its a 
parts vehicle. My understanding is that he has a 109 in need of a new frame 
and wants to take the coil sprung chassis and other "goodies" off the 110 and 
transplant them into his 109. 

Any one have any ideas on wht he should do. 

BTW, this is not me that is "the friend", even though the idea does seem like 
a good one. 

Thanks Mark

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 02:25:32 -0400
Subject: Re: DAP experiences

Regarding DAPs reputation:

I cant speak from personal experience, but I will relate the experience of a
friend.
my friend ordered a zenith carb from DAP (pre merger, things may be different
now)

the carb arrived with parts rattling in the bottom of an unlabled box,
whomever my friend spoke to at DAP (i assume Al) was unwilling to take
return, exchange or otherwise give my friend any satisfaction.

after seeing that experience I would sooner buy parts from the LR
*Dealership* than risk dealing with Al & DAP (again, with the merger it may
be different)

anyway 

Michael Carradine, Architect writes....

   I have to agree with Al somewhat in considering net-users exceeding
   the worst gaggle of old wo/men chattering away; and I add, willing to
   destroy a reputation with a keystroke.

well *Dad*, if you dont like the chattering (which incidentally, is why this
mailing list is in existance) you can unsubscribe, until then you can chatter
away *offline* with your good friend Al.

I will also add: 
that is the most pompous remark i have seen posted to this mailing list to
date

spencer

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