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1 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 25 | Re: Questions for the 4th month of LR ownership |
2 | Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar | 65 | Re: International Subscription |
3 | Franz.Parzefall@Physik.T | 26 | more photos |
4 | Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar | 35 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
5 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 29 | Re: Condenser Failure |
6 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 36 | Re: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!! |
7 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 72 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
8 | Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar | 23 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
9 | maloney@wings.attmail.co | 52 | Re: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!! |
10 | Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A | 15 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
11 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 19 | Balls and Limericks |
12 | rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A | 41 | Re: Lucas strikes in a Discovery! |
13 | Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs. | 24 | an aerodynamic "feature" ? |
14 | BwanaE@aol.com | 21 | Another Rover for sale. |
15 | cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk | 64 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
16 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 24 | Re: an aerodynamic "feature" ? |
17 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 16 | Emissions |
18 | Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A | 13 | Limerick |
19 | maloney@wings.attmail.co | 54 | Re: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!! |
20 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 10 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
21 | hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.co | 29 | Those Self-Loosening Exh Manifold Bolts |
22 | "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" [71 | 39 | Turner engine |
23 | Brian Neill Tiedemann [s | 41 | drop arm balljoint |
24 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 50 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
25 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 16 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
26 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 41 | Re: U.S. Defender 90 in '96? |
27 | rpeng@cadev6.intel.com | 32 | re: '96 Defender 90's |
28 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 33 | Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? |
29 | jhoward@argus.lowell.edu | 12 | My Land Rover's name |
30 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 28 | Re: U.S. Defender 90 in '96? |
31 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 35 | Re: U.S. Defender 90 in '96? |
32 | rlarson@lsil.com (Rick L | 28 | re: '96 Defender 90's |
33 | Andrew Grafton [A.J.Graf | 58 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
34 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 16 | [not specified] |
35 | rlarson@lsil.com (Rick L | 21 | Re: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? |
36 | "John R. Benham" [BENHAM | 7 | Unsubscribe |
37 | Tony_Bonanno@nps.gov (To | 35 | Another Learning Experience - Springs on an IIA |
38 | cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk | 70 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
39 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 10 | Re: your mail |
40 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 16 | Re: '96 Defender 90's |
41 | Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk | 20 | RE: Turner engine |
42 | Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk | 47 | Heated Windscreens: Availability |
43 | Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk | 54 | RE: Idly Frustrated |
44 | jpappa01@InterServ.Com | 26 | Re: BSROA & D90 |
45 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 17 | Re: your mail |
46 | Mike Slade [SLCN3@cc.usu | 47 | bleeding them today (hopefully) |
47 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 38 | Re: an aerodynamic "feature" ? |
48 | JCassidyiv@aol.com | 19 | Koenig Winch |
49 | a-robw@microsoft.com | 39 | RE: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? |
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 00:57:34 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: Questions for the 4th month of LR ownership > > my face ever time I get behind the wheel of my 88. I have spent about Heck, it's been nigh onto 5 years for me, and I still run around with a big grin! > The biggest advantage of the (official) tropical roof is the > air-vents in the inner skin. They are four small hatches that > open up into the space between the two skins and direct air > into the cabin. Diagram(s) below. The vents are really effective > at 'speed' (ha,ha). Please excuse crap ASCII art. Note that they are also quite effective at directing rain right at your clothes and sleeping bag if you forget to close them when driving in the rain! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:00:24 +0000 Subject: Re: International Subscription On 18 Jul 95, Dixon Kenner wrote: > We are kinda lean on the post '74 through '95 civilian stuff. > Lots of military stuff though... We have a huge gap from 1974 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > towards 80%+ post '87 vehicles, while others are staying 90%+ > pre 1980 vehicles. Depends on area & club emphasis. SLROC ranges from 1950's to 1995's & the only model I've not noticed at an event is a true stage 1 (plenty of V8 conversions though...) > > * You will be sent (By airmail) our club magazine on a monthly basis > > (there are 11 issues printed - we do not print a magazine in December). > to 1987 where British Leyland abandoned the NA market for > North American scene: > OVLR is monthly, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > ROAV is quarterly as is LROA's Aluminium Workhorse. > All have the above too. SLROC is quarterly (ish :) > > * You are welcome to participate in all club trips (if you come to > > visit us in Australia) including our trials, our fishing competition > > and our Christmas Party!!!! > Am sure all the NA clubs are the same... :-) Ditto Well, actually, we don't do a fishing trip - and we don't do a christmas party, but we do have two dinner-dances and an AGM each year.. > > * You will NOT have voting rights NOR be covered by our Club's public > > liability Insurance (for obvious reasons :-) All club members can vote, if they get to the AGM > What if the member is there at an event? OVLR's insurance > would cover members & visitors at events. ROAV's covers non- [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > clubs handle this at events). Voting? Depends if the club > ever has, or had, elections... :-) ARC insurance covers ARC members at ARC events, SLROC is an ARC club & therefor you would be covered as a member. > > If anyone is interested in joining, the fee is $45 Australian dollars > OVLR = $20Cdn [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > LROA = $20US > BSROA = $45US SLROC = 10UKP > > tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au via E-mail > OVLR = dixon kenner (dkenner@emr.ca) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > BSROA = jim pappas (jpappa01@interserve.com) > LROA = brad blevins (unclebrad@aol.com) SLROC = Ian Stuart (ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Subject: more photos Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:05:03 +0200 (MET DST) Hi Rovers If anyone is interested in some pictures of my newly bought 110, you might look at Peters www-page (http://ZDITR1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR/). He was so kind to hook the jpgs in there. For now there are just 2 scanned polaroids but I hope to get better pictures soon. If someone is interested in copying them, feel free to do so. Happy rovering Franz ------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de _______ [____|\_\== [_-__|__|_-] exmil. 110 2.5D ___.._(0)..._.(0)__.._ #4 #3 #2 #1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:17:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... On 18 Jul 95, Dixon Kenner wrote: > First, what is the purpose of the =A3500 carrot being waved under the > noses of banger owners? To rid us of dangerous, polluting wrecks, says > the SMMT. New cars are clean and safe, they proclaim, with > sanctimonious greenness. Imagine the number of sharks who are going to buy up all the scrapped cars, "repair" them and then flog them for 300 quid. "Sharkies" will sell you a car for 300 quid, so that you can then trade it in for 500 quid. "Do yourself a Deal" exclaims Mr White, managing director or Sharkies. What El Punter gets is a death-trap that has been repaired for 100 quid and shoved out to turn a profit! This is just another example of Fat Cats takingf advantage of the Tory "Get rich quick @ F*ck everyone else" ideals. The very concept of trading in cars already exists - all this is, is another publicity excercise to "raise people awareness that environmentally, they should trade in their cars every three years". It's Cr@p. <I'll get off my soap-box now...> ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 05:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Condenser Failure Guy Arnold tells us... > I put the "Green Machine" insurance on the same policy as my other > vehicles. I told my agent that it was a 1973 Land-Rover Series III > and when I got my insurance card from Allstate it said Range Rover. I Me too! My cards arrived today and have "65 Range Rover" on them! I have had my '72 SerIII insured through Allstate since about 1988 (I dropped the insurance on that when the transmission died last December) and the cards always just had "Rover" for the make. I just hope they don't charge me at Range Rover rates!!! As far as your condenser problem, I've seen condensers fail, but never new ones. If you had figured out that the condensor was the problem, you could have just disconnected it and driven home. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Range Rover! Ha!) 7 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern") #:-}> 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts) ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!! Mike Slade asks... > I can't bleed the rear brakes as the bleed nipples have BOTH broken off > thanks to the PO. > So, in the mean while how do I go about bleeding the brake system as best > I can without doing the rear brakes. Maloney's suggestion about the cracking open the lines to the rear cylinders will work. The seal is not the threads, but the compression between the flare on the line and the mating surface on the wheel cylinder. Of course, there is the chance of the fitting being rusted to the line. Loosen it up and the line twists. Not a good look. At least that's been my experiance here in the NorthEast Rust Belt... > What about the master cyl (CB type)? How about raising Power bleed works well. If you have an old, usuable cap for the master cylinder you can make your own for a few dollars in fittings. I used a home-made pressure bleeder to bleed the brakes on my '65 after replacing all of the hydraulic system. Used an old bicycle pump to pressurize it. Works like a charm. Just make sure you stop and check the fluid level in the resevoir from time to time. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (On the Road!) 7 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern") #:-}> 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts) ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 12:07:12 BST I agree with Ian,of course its crap.Proveably so,because they could get away with a lot less that 3500 if they gave the punter money to buy a new engine!Or a remanufactured one. After all,*that's* what they are beefing about,not the chassis etc.If someone gave me 3500 quid,I'd beat a path to Turner Engineering so fast my feet wouldnt touch! In my view the bottom line is this.Land Rover are doing well, simply because what they are making,people want to buy. The rest of them(and this,mind you is supposed to be a market economy),are making what people *dont* want to buy.Tough. I simply dont beleive this environmental bullshit. Any field of endeavour,such as the one which discovered the hole in the ozone layer,that postulates not "we have discovered such and such" but "we have *invented* such and such" cannot be credible.After all,Columbus discovered America,but he didnt claim that he *made*it.I beleive he was perfectly well able to accept it was always there!And what,I ask you,is "environmentally friendly" about a bit of exhaust equipment that sets the grass on fire? Having started my working life at a time when cities were often afflicted with fogs that not only restricted vision to the end of an outstretched arm,but that you could *taste*,which no longer exist,I ask myself just what sort of a plce do these people expect? We are now entertained by the toght of river "pollution" being blamed on cattle pissing and crapping on the land!What,for crying out loud,do the silly bastards *expect* them to do,except that which they've done for countless centuries? As for cities,have they not always been polluted? Where did the Great Plague start?Again,what the hell*do* these people expect? If the wind is blowing *along* a city street,with high buildings either side,it acts like a wind tunnel.If,on the other hand its blowing across it,the air is trapped,the same as if there was no wind at all.Result,fumes. I'm not saying that all attempts to make things better should cease, far from it.But I *do* think that a sense of proportion is essential, rather than this airy fairy ideal of "the good old days when all was sweet and pure".It never was.These people should remember when they see the pretty picture of the main street of Ye Olde Englishe Village, thatched cottages on either side,one or two basic facts.One,it stank. The street was an open sewer.The pretty cottages with roses round the door had a midden just outside said door.Why the hell do you think the roses grew so well?The thatch was full of bugs,and the cottage infested with rats.All the effluent went into the stream,then into the river.People DIED at thirty,utterly worn out by harsh living, and riddled with disease.Get a cut,and chances were you got it infected and died of the infection.Flo Nightingale was around in the Crimean War,not the Wars of the Roses! But..has anyone ever tried to find out how naturally immune these people were?Remember the saying when your old aunt died at ninety odd?"They were tough in those days".Isnt there a chance,just a chance,that you can make your own patch so antiseptic that you catch your death if you step outside it?And that you label dangers so clearly that your inbuilt sense of danger atrophies? The problem,IMO,is that science is the new religion.Unfortunately it doesnt seem to be any more reliable than the old ones.We are being asked to take on faith,that which science doesnt seem able to prove.Plus,of course,politics jumping on the wagon,as they always have done,but with the difference that they have more exposure in the media these days. So I'll trundle about trailed by unburned diesel with no conscience at all.Just because you can see it and smell it doesnt mean its bad for you necessarily.The only reason I'll put any effort into curtailing it is that its fuel I've paid for and havent used. OK,I've done.Sorry for the outburst,but it never ceases to amaze me how the well-educated western world will beleive everything its told! Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:24:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... On 19 Jul 95, Mike Rooth wrote: > After all,*that's* what they are beefing about,not the chassis > etc.If someone gave me 3500 quid,I'd beat a path to Turner > Engineering so fast my feet wouldnt touch! Bear in mind, folks, that scientists are now saying that Unleaded petrol is more damaging that leaded petrol - the Benzine replacement for Lead is more harmful to life that the origional Lead! Resist the change to Unleaded petrol! Diesel's only problems are (1) the smell and (2) the large particulate waste product.... ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:06:37 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Subject: Re: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!! twakeman asked about my response to Mike Slade's question re bleeding wheel cylinders with broken bleeder nipples by loosening the line fitting entering the cylinder: Bill have you ever tried this? Only once. When I first got my 88. I did it so I could move it with some degree of confidence. Since it was the weekend the new cylinders would not arrive for several days. The pedal wasn't perfect but no longer went to the floor on the first stroke. I have not had to do it since after applying antisieze to all fittings on the new cylinders. There are a lot of threads to deal with and since the line and cylinder have to be perfectly lined up to thread correctly if unthreaded, it strikes me as a disaster in the making that can induce even more air into the system. This is correct if you remove the line as I believe you are saying. If you crack the line as I suggested while an assistant depresses the pedal and tighten it before they release it, the fitting will not become unthreaded. This would take quite a few turns, as you probably know. It is a mess, however, as the fluid runs down the backing plate. A can of brake parts spray cleaner will help clean things up. It's not a bad idea to remove the drum to check if fluid ran down the inside also if the original rubber seal between the cylinder and plate has disintigrated. Remember this will do nothing to eliminate any air in the wheel cylinder itself since you would be opening the system before the cylinder. As the wheel cylinder cavity is below the fitting, gravity will do the rest. I would sooner have asked BP to send the parts overnight UPS and not play games while waiting for a BP order to arrive. New parts would certainly have been the better solution in this case, but Mike asked for an interim solution for bleeding wheel cylinders with broken bleeders, and I answered. Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com line 4 line 3 line 2 line 1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 19 Jul 95 8:20:33 EDT Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... Ian Stewart said: >Diesel's only problems are (1) the smell and (2) the large particulate >waste product.... and 3) the inability of anyone behine Mike or Charlie to see where they're going with all the smoke and oil....<grin> ajr ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Balls and Limericks Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 08:30:00 DST As the subject of the anonymous limerick writer's (AKA Jim Dolan) musing. Congratulations on a fine limerick. I suggested to Jim some minor changes to metre and also that we should have an annual LRO Digest Limerick Competition. Limericks to be related to Land Rover happenings, problems, joy of ownership etc. Starting now and to be judged August 1996. I will collect entries and publish the full list for judging by the subscribers. A Prize for the best and next to be provided by Land Rover Canada. (They don't know yet). Keep them clean (Cleanish) and maybe we'll have enough to publish in LRO or LRW. Please submit your limerick with your name below so it can be easily cut and pasted to the list Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:24:58 -0400 From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi) Subject: Re: Lucas strikes in a Discovery! Stefan writes: Well durn, some other poor soul is afflicted with the same malefic "BlipBlupBlipBlup" turn signal. . . . fixed it, claiming it was a corroded connection in the right front blinker. Thanks for the encouraging (I think) story. My blinkers only go on the blink in extreme heat. Driving a short while cools whatever needs cooling off enough to restore normal operation, so I don't have a bulb burned out as some suggested. I was wondering if it is the relay that gets cooked in the heat. Now I'm beginning to suspect I should look to a more outbound source. Other folks have written to me about the bulbs and corrosion, so I'll have to take a peek. Thanks to all for the input! And a little later, Stefan continues: By the way, I really enjoy my disco, even with its few quirks. The little beast is wonderful off-road. The only things I would tell the Solihull folks is they need to raise that blasted air dam or make it easy to remove (I've mashed it into a few things off-roading) Agree totally about the damn dam. Partially trashed mine recently offroad. Luckily I was able to reattach it because the screws that hold it together at the corners popped out. 5 minute fix. I wonder if this might not be a solution for offroading. Unscrewing the four screws that hold it together at the corners allows the dam to fold up under the bumper. The problem, as I see it, are the lights on the corner pieces. Even if you remove the front dam, these two parts out at the very corners (almost on the sides of the truck) hang down with exposed electric bits. Not a good thing to smash, given the price of most factory light replacement parts. Anyone have a solution for this part of the problem? -Bob Virzi rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. === +1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally! ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:30:53 +1000 From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: an aerodynamic "feature" ? My stage-1 L-R has an interesting aerodynamic "feature". Since the bonnet (hood) of the 110/90s seems to be the same I wonder if they have it too. If you drive along in rain or drizzle, water collects just round the leading edge of the bonnet somewhere out of sight. It stays there above 30 kph approx, even if the rain stops. As you slow down for a junction, at about 20 kph, it (the H2O) suddenly flings itself at the windscreen, reducing visibility considerably, if you've turned off the wipers - because it stopped raining, remember? It's a bit of a shock the first few times that it happens. I was just wondering if 110/90s (and other stage 1's) do this too? An old chestnut I've not seen aired here: why do L-R drum brakes all (?) squeal and is there any way to stop them? - apart from lubricating with oil! lloyd ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: BwanaE@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:38:28 -0400 Subject: Another Rover for sale. Per a phone conversation today, I'm posting this for a non-netter. Usual disclaimers... ' 76 Series III, Lightweight. Overdrive Rebuilt head New diff Now take a deep breath ..... $ 14,000 ( YIKES ! ) Simon at 916.778.3937 Okay, you can breath now... Eric. ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:45:48 +0100 From: cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Charlie Wright) Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... I think you have a lot of good points to make, Mike, but I have a hard time considering 'science' a new religion or blaming it for the attitudes of many whom you consider to follow it. Science, in and of itself, is neither prejudiced nor biased. Now this is as sensible as saying "pure" democracy represents the people, communism makes for a happier and fairer system, or a perfect lucas alternator produces 14 volts. It looks really good on paper, but these things don't really exist. They are theory/fiction, choose one of the above. Scientists can be biased, and they can look for what they want to see. Even when trying not to, it happens. What makes it worse is the way in which science is packaged by those who want to use it as an argument in support of their ideas. An utter lack of understanding of the field in question means that the reporter picks out the interesting/exciting/controversial bits and elaborates on them. The reader then interprets in his/her own way, and BOOM... a new 'science' is born... based mostly on tertiary sources and hearsay. Then someone writes a book/film about it (Jurassic Park, Congo, Outbreak....JFK?) and fact suddenly blends with fiction... but the exciting bit is more fun (usually the fiction). Another ideal example is the recently decomissioned Shell platform in the North Sea. Greenpeace protested, got international news coverage, and morally blackmailed Shell into dragging the oil platform back to dock and dismantling it on land. Because: They 'knew' it was 'wrong' and 'dangerous' to dump it in the 'unspoiled' deep ocean!? It had <gasp> cadmium and heavy metals on board! The government in the U.K. supported Shell, which naturally polarized the issue (and put more fence-sitters on the side of the chartruese scourge...). While cadmium and heavy metals are, very clearly, not good for you: A) At the bottom of the ocean they are a whole lot farther from human beings at what could be a dangerous concentration (and a WHOLE lot more dilute if they ever get out). Just try to figure out how many barrels of water are in the North Sea, let alone the ocean. And I hate to disappoint, but metals in dilute quantities are found in ocean water, and they've been there longer than mankind has. B) Disposal on land is much more expensive and much more risky both in the short (handling and transporting) and long (leaks, gradual diffusion into the earth) terms. No report could find a scientist (except the advisor to Greenpeace) who thought that it was safer to dispose of the platform on the terra firma, but this was COMPLETELY overshadowed by the disingenuous moral outrage of the Greenpeace PR folk. Victory for the environment, hurrah. So, please don't blame the scientists entirely, we aren't high-priests to the dim and impressionable by choice. Charlie C. R. Wright Dept. of Genetics +44 (0)1223 333970 telephone Univ. of Cambridge +44 (0)1223 333992 telefax Downing Street, Cambs. cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk CB2 3EH, England ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Re: an aerodynamic "feature" ? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 6:17:04 PDT > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] > suddenly flings itself at the windscreen, reducing visibility considerably, > if you've turned off the wipers - because it stopped raining, remember? > It's a bit of a shock the first few times that it happens. I thought this was a design feature. after a rain, a lot of mud, and dirt collect on the windshield. Since we all understand lucas, this seems like a failsafe way to get the wind screen washed with out electrics. Russs I have noticed that water does strange thing on both my R-Rover, and the D-90 > I was just wondering if 110/90s (and other stage 1's) do this too? > An old chestnut I've not seen aired here: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > stop them? - apart from lubricating with oil! > lloyd ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Emissions Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 09:52:00 DST Photonics Magazine for July has a short article about the University of Denver and their FEAT. Their FEAT smells!!!. Automobile exhaust that is, the device provides a means to measure the pollution level of vehicles passing through an IR beam. Measurement of over 500,000 vehicles in several US cities indicated that targeting poorly maintained vehicles with remote sensors (photo-sniffers) would be more cost effective than simply scrapping old cars. The myth of old cars being the polluters was soundly put to rest. Anybody out there at U of D to tell us more? Trevor Easton and Miss Golightly ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 19 Jul 95 9:46:36 EDT Subject: Limerick There once was a car from Lode Lane, That could travel in mud, snow or rain. In the bush, hauling logs, Fording streams deep in bogs, Land-Rover lives up to its name! Al Richer/ Churchill the 109 ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:06:59 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Subject: Re: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!! RESEND - MAJORDOMO SLIGHTLY REVISED THE LAST COPY ---------------------------- twakeman asked about my response to Mike Slade's question re bleeding wheel cylinders with broken bleeder nipples by loosening the line fitting entering the cylinder: >Bill have you ever tried this? Only once. When I first got my 88. I did it so I could move it with some degree of confidence. Since it was the weekend the new cylinders would not arrive for several days. The pedal wasn't perfect but no longer went to the floor on the first stroke. I have not had to do it since after applying antisieze to all fittings on the new cylinders. >There are a lot of threads to deal with and since the line and cylinder have >to be perfectly lined up to thread correctly if unthreaded, it strikes me as >a disaster in the making that can induce even more air into the system. This is correct if you remove the line as I believe you are saying. If you crack the line as I suggested while an assistant depresses the pedal and tighten it before they release it, the fitting will not become unthreaded. This would take quite a few turns, as you probably know. It is a mess, however, as the fluid runs down the backing plate. A can of brake parts spray cleaner will help clean things up. It's not a bad idea to remove the drum to check if fluid ran down the inside also if the original rubber seal between the cylinder and plate has disintigrated. >Remember this will do nothing to eliminate any air in the wheel cylinder >itself since you would be opening the system before the cylinder. As the wheel cylinder cavity is below the fitting, gravity will do the rest. >I would sooner have asked BP to send the parts overnight UPS and not play >games while waiting for a BP order to arrive. New parts would certainly have been the better solution in this case, but Mike asked for an interim solution for bleeding wheel cylinders with broken bleeders, and I answered. Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com line 4 line 3 line 2 line 1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:39:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Mike Rooth wrote: > I agree with Ian,of course its crap. Bravo! :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 10:36:11 EST Subject: Those Self-Loosening Exh Manifold Bolts So you say the foldover tabs don't work. Looked under the bonnet and noticed that the tabs were not always folded over the flats. No wonder they still loosen. Had a thought -- Why not use matching aircraft bolts of the type with the head drilled through for lockwire and wire the heads of adjacent bolts two at a time? Or have a machine shop drill a full set of Genuine bolts and replace the offenders at next convenient opportunity. A little .028 CRS safety wire should make the bolts stay in place for the life if the manifold. Only problem I see with doing this mod preemptively is access/available working space to manipulate and properly twist the wire between adjacent bolts. There are many places on a L-R this could be done if loosening of more-or-less closely spaced hex-head bolts would cause serious peril. I've got the safety wire and the special twisting pliers; so why *not* do this if the opportunity presents? Hank ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 19 Jul 95 11:29:03 EDT From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com> Subject: Turner engine John, I wish I could be of more help to you regarding your engine conversion. I just recently finished converting my NADA 109 from a 6 cylinder, as you know, to a Turner 4 cylinder. Not being a mechanic, this was done by Gary Landes, whose phone number is 410-461-7162. I know he has some troubles in doing this conversion, mainly with the exhaust system. Though as you will find from other people in the net, Gary has somewhat of a strange personality, but I am sure he would confer with you on the telephone about the problems he encountered during this conversion. Turner Engineering Company, the manufacturer of this engine, said the conversion should take approximately 3 to 4 hours. Gary had my car from January and it was just finished last week. Admittedly, he did some other work for me, but nevertheless the time was excessive. I imported the engine personally from Turner for this vehicle specifically. The other Rover I have is an '88, which I got from Warwick had a Turner engine put in that one during the rebuilding phase. I have approximately 8,000 miles on this engine and it runs absolutely magnificently. Again, I wish I could give you some specs about the Turner engine, but I cannot and I would refer you to Frieda Turner who is a wonderful lady who will spend all the time in the world talking to you about their engines. Their phone number is 0342834713. Fax number is 0342834042. I would encourage you to speak to Frieda, as she has a wealth of information and might even advise who could make this conversion for you on the West Coast. Again, John, I wish I could be of more help to you. I have enjoyed the past four months reading about your Dormobile and your trip from Maine to California. Good luck and keep me advised as to your progress. Benjamin ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU> Subject: drop arm balljoint Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 01:41:34 +1000 (EST) Hi all, Tonight saw me getting MAD at a certain Solihull product; clue: big, ugly, yellow (well sahara gold if u please), _random steering_ thingy. So the time was right to install the drop arm ball joint rebuild kit which I have had sitting here a while, and see if I am able to confine myself to just one lane hereafter! Well, I have not completed the job. Here's why: Removed drop arm (easy, as nut on bottom of power steering box was loose-more wanderings). Popped drag link off old ball joint with a puller. Cleaned. Removed circlip retainer, bottom plate, spring, bottom cup, ball pin and lots of rust. Manual says then to tap out top cup section- well mine was 99% worn away anyway, so no edge to speak of was left protruding at the top to "tap" on. Ended up using a thick washer of just exactly the right size to catch on what remained of the cup, a large nut and bolt, and another thick washer to make a crude internal puller. Used this to tension the cup, then "tapped gently" with a mediun sledge, retensioned, tapped etc.... Spent some time cleaning up the seat area for new parts, emery, wire brushes. Now the holdup: I figured that the reason my old ball was full of rust and could be shaken around "like dogs'" ummm "ears", was the lack of any way to grease it beyond the initial time. The bottom cover plate is thick enough to hold a thread for a grease nipple, and the internals of the thing have a path for grease to get to the whole joint, so I have decided to install one at the centre of the cover plate. Didn't have any new nipples lying around, so first thing tomorrow... I'll let you all know how it turns out tomorrow sometime. BTW part # for the rebuild kit is RTC4198. Anyone know if I should NOT use Locktite on the big nut securing drop arm top PS box? Has a tagged washer, but ineffective. Other suggestions? Please mail ASAP as I wanna finish tomorrow am. cheers, Brian. 77 RR (Steerless) ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 15:21:32 BST OK Charlie,I half guessed you'd come up with that argument,and by and large you're right.But.We are constantly bombarded with "scientific" crap uttered by those who term themselves scientists. Now,either they are trying to get themselves in print(and therefore consolidate their academic positions)or after money.Fine.But I reserve the right to dibelieve the findings.How often for example, have you seen the experimental method published,or,come to that, their controls.I have to add the medics are particularly sweeping in *their* statements.Like the percentages etc quoted for passive smoking.Where is the control that proves the experiment,and how,in fact could you even set one up? FWIW I agree with you over the oil fiasco,if only because there must be many millions of tons of fine ships on the bed of the sea,sunk during the war,and carrying gawd knows what at the time.I think the time to get a little disturbed would be if it became ea regular thing, but one off,no way,give it the deep six.One more oversize dustbin is going to make no odds. Where science is concerned,I suggest the scientific community should perhaps give thought to putting its house in order,i.e publish/disseminate the truth,but the *whole* truth.And then let people make up their own minds. But that can only be done "in house" so to speak. Isnt it a fairly old argument that science is not in itself evil,and that no blame attaches to the scientist if it is put to a use that is? Could in fact be used of almost any discipline,profession or trade in fact. Like I built this gun as a target weapon.So someone got killed?Not my fault.And if an individual sees the results of his/her research misrepresented,misused or whatever,surely that person has not only the right,but the *duty* to ensure matters are put right.After all,the results wouldnt be there *to* misrepresent if the individual hadnt done the research in the first place. And we*are* frequently asked to beleive,apparently as an act of faith,that research by Joe Bloggs has proven...whatever.Just that. Joe Bloggs never get his gob open.So its about time Joe Bloggs stod up and said"Oy,sunshine,it didnt prove any such thing".But he doesnt, so by his silence it goes through on the nod. All of which leaves aside the contradictions as to what is good for you *this* week. Problem is,that when the thing reaches persecution level,as it already has over certain issues,old motors being one of them,it becomes time for any relevant discipline to put a damper on it,for sheer humanitarian reasons.Sadly,there is little evidence that this will ever occur. YMMV,of course. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 15:32:36 BST > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 25 lines)] > Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. > <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> Particulate what? Oh*soot*.Not a waste product,Ian.Put it round your cabbages.Keeps the slugs off a treat:-) Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 09:00:09 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: U.S. Defender 90 in '96? In message <199507190538.AAA11174@butler.uk.stratus.com> Randy Parker writes: > Again, there will be NO *1996* Defender 90 of any type. Gee no wonder Land Rovers don't sell large numbers in the US. By the time Americans start to find out what they are, they are no longer being imported. 109s discontinued in the US at the end of '67 because Rover did not want to meet US specs 88s discontinued in the US at the end of '74 because Rover did not want to meet US specs 110s 500 US spec cars brought into US. Almost all presold before they were imported...Market no big enough 90s discontinued in the US at the end of '95 because Rover did not want to meet US specs So what does it take to get Rover to make a commitment to bring Land Rovers to the world's largest car crazy economy, build a dealer support network and stay for a while? This means all the Land Rover articals in US auto mags will disappear. That they will no longer be included in comparison tests, that land Rovers will no longer be before the eyes of the forgetful fickle American public. This means people who just started calling my car a Land Rover will start caling it a Toyota again soon. This means since no one will remember what a Land Rover is that prices for used ones will go down and there will be less incentive for compitition in Land Rover spares in the US. Also, since they will again be worth less, there will be less incentive to fix up ones in poor or worn out condition because its cheaper to pick up a better condition one. Grumble TJ Wakeman ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Subject: re: '96 Defender 90's Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 9:00:03 PDT >I have been saving my money and was planning on getting a new '96 >Defender 90 in December or January. Just took a trip to my local dealer >and he indicated that '95 would most likely be the last model year for >the Defender 90 in the states due to changes needed to meet '96 federal >safety standards. Can anyone verify this? That's what a salesman at SF British Motors said too, but I figured he was just saying that to rush me into buying one. Actually, I probably wouldn't want to buy one if it's no longer going to be imported after just 2 years, because pretty soon, the parts dealers and the mechanics will start their extortion campaign. I believe the D90 should do very well here if the price weren't so high, at least initially. When Lexus first entered the U.S. market, the price for the top of the line model was about $20K lower than what it is today. This gave a greater number of consumers a chance to try out the product and prove its worth. If the product is product, the company will surely win market share. Today, the D90 sells at such low volume that many Consumer Guides don't even test it. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Peng (408)765-7863 Intel Corporation Design Technology, Physical CAD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 09:11:28 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? Hi, I have a '71 Land Rover Series IIa 88, and some extra $ coming in shortly. 33" tires and 2" lift are planned. My questions are: 1. Should I get a Warn 8274 or ARB locker(s?) first? 1b. Should I get F/R lockers? Or just rear? 2. Are there ANY other lockers available for this besides the ARB air lockers? (I've been searching, but found no others so far.) (If you know of any, PLEASE include part number and phone # so I can order them!!) 3. What other additions would you recommend? Other planned mod's include a rollcage, rino bars, stereo, heat shielding, possible air vents for footwell... Any used 8274's or lockers to fit this rig out there??? Thanks, Dave Brown #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 09:31 MST From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II) Subject: My Land Rover's name I gave the PO a tour of the telescope I am working on yesterday, and of course we talked Land Rovers a lot. He did not tell me this when I bought it, but my SIII has a name. Ephriam, pronounced eefrum. Seems the mountain men used to call grizzly bears "Old Ephriam". James Howard 1972 SIII 88 Flagstaff, Arizona, USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: U.S. Defender 90 in '96? Yes, it seems a pity to me if the Defender is to be discontinued in the US after such a short run. I realize the number they sell is not large, and the price is high due to the 20% tarriff on 2-door vehicles, but I would have thought it worthwhile to LRNA for image purposes alone to have the only vehicle available in the US (apart from the Hummer) which is built for off-road as its only priority. Since image is all in marketing campaigns, it seems that LRNA gets a lot of mileage out of its association with the "real" Land Rover, and it would be worth spending a couple of grand per Defender 90 (and even raising the price accordingly) to cobble on airbags and side impact beams or whatever. The vehicle would not be much more overpriced than it is now and would still have no competitors; nobody buys it for its bargain value anyhow. Just my thoughts in case anyone from LRNA or Lode Lane is monitoring this list! Cheers John Brabyn Mill Valley, Ca 89 RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: U.S. Defender 90 in '96? On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Gee no wonder Land Rovers don't sell large numbers in the US. By the time > Americans start to find out what they are, they are no longer being > imported. Add stopping the import of the Mini in '68 to the USA becasue it they didn't want it to meet California spec, yet it sold happily in Canada until 1980 when the whole rotten BpL gave up the ghost (actually if they had waited 24 hours on that decision they would probably have stayed as the currency exchange then swung around... Later, 20/20 analysis shows that dumping NA was dumb, dumb, dumb as was ditching the TR-8 and a lot of other stuff.) Of course, if they did want to sell a few more Defenders... well better keep quiet... <ahem> > So what does it take to get Rover to make a commitment to bring Land > Rovers to the world's largest car crazy economy, build a dealer > support network and stay for a while? Can't use Rover in Canada. The name equates to junk up here, or in other words only slightly lower than British L*yl*nd sunk down too... Remember, this is a company that has cut and run more than once. Remember the Sterling? Rover Group is just the latest name change, probably because it causes the least anger in the UK. If they were really so good outside the LR group & Mini (still sell every one made) why does Ford, GM, Honda, et al sell so much better on their own home turf? They didn't call the BL headquarters at Longbridge the "Kremlin" for nothing... ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 10:23:30 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: re: '96 Defender 90's Roger Peng says: >Actually, I >probably wouldn't want to buy one if it's no longer going to be [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >and the mechanics will start their extortion campaign. >-- Have to disagree. Most of the drivetrain is Discovery compatible. Most of the other parts are common across D90's and D110's throughout the world. While I'd never expect to see Chevy or Ford type availability/pricing, I also don't expect any serious price inflatation. My biggest fear now is that some #$%*& will run a red light and total my irreplacable D90, 3 months after the 95's have sold out. It is going to be interesting to see what happens to the used D90 market now that supplies are limited. >Actually, I -Rick '94 D90 Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 18:24:02 BST I'd just like to add (keeping well clear of the debate about sceintists, morals &c.) that the politicians and manufacturing industries are not blameless in all this claptrap. A massive reason for the government to introduce an incentive for scrapping old cars is the financial and political pressure that car companies can bring to bear. More often than not the opinions of a less 'powerful' or 'popular' group (perhaps in this case, those who know that old cars aren't necessarily the polluters) get trampled by popular opinion or quashed by the big boys. Case in point - Greenpeace with popular support vs. government and the 'evil polluters'. <As an aside; IMHO they made the right decision there as I was worried what would be the next thing to be sunk deep down once a precedent about waste disposal/dispersion had been set. If it was only going to be a one-off then I reckon it would have been alright. I don't, however, want the Russians scuttling their nuclear icebreakers there just 'cause it is OK for Shell to dump their equipment.> So, just to express an opinion, I reckon the business of introducing an incentive to scrap cars is a load of old bollocks. Imagine what the recycling problems would be like if we all had a new car every 3 years? Doesn't it create a site more pollution to make a new car and run it for 3 years than to run an existing one for another 3? Even if it is less efficient... Within limits of course. Perhaps car companies should be concentrating their efforts on making efficient cars that _stay_ efficient and can be easily and cheaply repaired once they begin to wear out, rather than lobbying for stupid incentives? You can't design something to last forever, but you can make steps toward planned replacement of parts rather than the whole vehicle. There will always be those who want to own an old vehicle either because it *is* old, or because it is cheap. Give them the opportunity to keep it as good as it ever was in performance terms. Anyhow, that's my thoughts. All the best, Andy Who sometimes feels guilty about travelling around in a Mobile Brick, and often feels guilty about the amount of unburnt hydrocarbons it throws out. Sadly, the Mobile Brick is the only viable alternative for what he wants to do. ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> WEIRDNUZ.386 (News of the Weird, June 30, 1995) LEAD STORY * In a May column, film critic Roger Ebert reported on the popular Japanese animated film, "Pompoko," which features a family of cute badger-like animals, but said the film would not likely be successful in America. The badgers' secret weapon is an ability to make their testicles grow large so that they can crush opponents. Said a Japanese film fan, "The Japanese are more open about bodily parts." He said kids in Japan find the secret weapon "hilarious." [Chicago Sun-Times, 5-23-95] ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 10:45:01 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? >From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV > 1. Should I get a Warn 8274 or ARB locker(s?) first? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > 1. Should I get a Warn 8274 or ARB locker(s?) first? > 1b. Should I get F/R lockers? Or just rear? My, admittedly limited, experience with both is that the winch gets me out of places my lockers got me into. The winch has proved far more useful to others on the trail too. The lockers (ARB's) are awesome, fun to play with, etc, but I'd have to vote winch first. -Rick '94 D90 Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:53:23 -0400 From: Tony_Bonanno@nps.gov (Tony Bonanno) Subject: Another Learning Experience - Springs on an IIA Andrew Grafton posted a message about the effect of a loose prop shaft on his Land Rover gearbox and clutch. I recently had a similar experience of changing one component only to find that it had a dramatic effect on some other problems. After driving my IIA for approx. 25 years, I decided to replace the old and tired rear springs as the bushings were also shot. WOW! What a difference! Not only does the car handle and ride better, but about 80% of the slop, play, and clunking in the drivetrain that I had attributed to other components wearing simply dissappeared! The clutch judder I have been experiencing the past couple of years (which in part is due to rear main leaking) diminished significantly too! I guess the obvious point here is that if the rear wheels and axle aren't locked down adequately, its going to aggravate everything in the drive path. Components we often hear about include loose and worn U-joints, gearbox output shaft, etc. However, don't overlook those spring bushings! Can't wait to save up some money and see what happens when I replace the front springs.. By the way, I decided NOT to replace the springs with the "handed" versions as I never cared for the fact that my Land Rover always wanted to lean to the passenger side due to the different camber of the "handed" parts. I still can't see the logic in that approach, at least not on US roads. I used the "driver's side" spring on both sides... and the LR sits nice and level. I will do the same for the front. Cheers! Tony Bonanno, Santa Fe, NM (SWB IIA hardtop - a rolling restoration since new) ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:57:57 +0100 From: cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Charlie Wright) Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... At 6:24pm 19/7/95, Andrew Grafton wrote: >I'd just like to add (keeping well clear of the debate about >sceintists, morals &c.) that the politicians and manufacturing >industries are not blameless in all this claptrap. Are they ever? >opinions of a less 'powerful' or 'popular' group (perhaps in >this case, those who know that old cars aren't necessarily the >polluters) It all comes down to who wields the power, and in most modern western societies, knowledge is no longer power... 'shame. >I don't, however, want the Russians >scuttling their nuclear icebreakers there just 'cause it is OK >for Shell to dump their equipment.> I do think cadmium and hydrocabons are in a different category than plutonium and uranium, honestly... >Imagine what >the recycling problems would be like if we all had a new car every 3 >years? Exactly. Even if it was five years, you'd have to do an AWFUL lot of miles in those years to distribute the energy used and waste produced in making the car. This is the logic that is (finally) making people re-consider "Zero-emissions" vehicles. Lead acid batteries' manufacture and disposal for a "Zero-emissions" car puts more lead into the system than a car burning leaded fuel would... and the electric is less efficient and generally less useful. >Doesn't it create a site more pollution to make a new car and run it >for 3 years than to run an existing one for another 3? yep. dunno where they want to pile all these dead ones. The EU doesn't want s >Perhaps car companies should be concentrating their efforts on making >efficient cars that _stay_ efficient and can be easily and cheaply >repaired once they begin to wear out, rather than lobbying for stupid >incentives? BMW, and perhaps now Rover, has been working on both easily reconditioned/renewed vehicles and fully-recylable vehicles. The 325, officially, can be fully recycled. BMW even set up a facility that could do it as a test bed and proving ground. The idea doesn't seem to be catching on in a big way, however. >There will always be those who want to own an old vehicle >either because it *is* old, or because it is cheap. Why are my old cars never cheap? Must be that "one more thing to fix and... oh, gosh, that looks pretty bad next to the new widget, better replace/refurbish the whatsit too...." mine always suffers from... oh well, at least they're old... Cheers, Charlie C. R. Wright Dept. of Genetics +44 (0)1223 333970 telephone Univ. of Cambridge +44 (0)1223 333992 telefax Downing Street, Cambs. cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk CB2 3EH, England ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 14:46:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: your mail On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Dixon Kenner wrote: > WEIRDNUZ.386 (News of the Weird, June 30, 1995) Opps, sorry, wrong list! ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 12:05:40 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: '96 Defender 90's In message <199507191735.MAA12740@butler.uk.stratus.com> Rick Larson writes: ; My biggest fear now is that some #$%*& will run a red light and total my ; irreplacable D90, 3 months after the 95's have sold out. It is going ; to be interesting to see what happens to the used D90 market now that ; supplies are limited. As long as you have a commision number and a pink slip you don't have a totaled Land Rover, you have a rebuildable Land Rover. teriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 20:07:11 PDT From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk Subject: RE: Turner engine I fitted a Turner 4 cylinder engine last year and am pleased with it. If there is any information you need I'll do my best to help. ------------------------------------- Tony Chapman E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk HAWTEC Tel: 01905 723200 Haswell House Fax: 01905 613338 St. Nicholas Street Mobile: 0973 316835 Worcester WR1 1UW Date: 04/22/95 Time: 09:26:25 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 20:24:45 PDT From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk Subject: Heated Windscreens: Availability Thanks for the replies to my earlier posting. Local enquiries indicate that the heated windscreen kit (includes swithches, wiring, etc.) is no longer available from Land Rover. However John Craddock has been advertising the screens for some months in Land Rover Owner International magazine. It was a vist to his stall at the Royal Show on 3 July that prompted my question. I had seen the advertisements but had not actually seen a screen. However Craddock's actually had two on display. I enquired about availability and was told there was no problem, although supply had been difficult last year. The screens are genuine Land Rover and are apparently still available through them. Craddocks price is 65 (65 pounds) sterling and they offer an export service. The address is: John Craddock Ltd 70-76 North Street Bridgtown Cannock Staffordshire WS11 3AZ UK Tel: +44 (0)1543 577207 Fax: +44 (0)1543 504818 I've ordered mine! ------------------------------------- Tony Chapman E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk HAWTEC Tel: 01905 723200 Haswell House Fax: 01905 613338 St. Nicholas Street Mobile: 0973 316835 Worcester WR1 1UW Date: 04/22/95 Time: 09:26:25 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 20:17:01 PDT From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk Subject: RE: Idly Frustrated You may wish to look at the following if you have not already done so: 1) Are the valve clearances correctly set? 2) Have you checked the compression on each cylinder and are the results roughly equal? 3) Is the centrifugal adavnce in the distributor working properly? It';s not unknown for this to seize up. 4) Rotor arm is a bit worrying could be the wrong one. If you like, measure it and I'll check dimensions against that fitted to my vehicle ('68 88"). 5) Does the rotor arm fit the shaft firmly? I recently had a loose one that caused a clicking sound. 6) Any sign of shorting on the distributor cap or HT leads? Hope this helps. ------------------------------------- Tony Chapman E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk HAWTEC Tel: 01905 723200 Haswell House Fax: 01905 613338 St. Nicholas Street Mobile: 0973 316835 Worcester WR1 1UW Date: 04/22/95 Time: 09:26:25 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- [VERSION] version=4.01.2 ---------------------------------- Tony Chapman E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk HAWTEC Tel: 01905 723200 Haswell House Fax: 01905 613338 St. Nicholas Street Mobile: 0973 316835 Worcester WR1 1UW Date: 04/22/95 Time: 09:26:25 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 16:02:31 PDT Subject: Re: BSROA & D90 Hi all: Thanks to D. Kenner for his US/CDN Club update(s). BTW the Dues for BSROA are $40/year initial year and 35/year renewal thereafter. As far as the insurance issue(s) we ask all attendees to sign a standard release prior to participation. As for D90 info - as I posted earlier, the D90 is NA for `96. The ragtop versions have ALL BEEN PRODUCED and are either in the shipping pipeline or at dealers now or in the port. The supply of these is beginning to wane as our store (Metro West) is only allocated two units for August! A little more info. on the D90 station wagon - again NOT IN PRINT YET - but possibly 3 color choices available - Conniston, Portofino, and Alpine. Pricing still N/A - but I was told low 30's?? Updates as I get them.. Please don't hold me accountable for the accuracy of the info. in these D90 postings unless I verify same from printed and/or official sources. Thanks! Cheerz Jim - now completely mad... and loving it! ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: your mail Dixon sends a message and then, realizing his error..... > On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Dixon Kenner wrote: > > WEIRDNUZ.386 (News of the Weird, June 30, 1995) > Opps, sorry, wrong list! - Shoot! It was looking pretty good, too... Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:11:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Slade <SLCN3@cc.usu.edu> Subject: bleeding them today (hopefully) Thanks to all who offered suggestions. Teri- You're right about not driving the car if it takes 4 pumps. It actually took about 6 or 7 before I could feel any serioius braking. As for the Jack-All, well, I do have one (well broken in BTW) but I think I'll pass on raising the car up 3 feet with it. I do have a friend with a TR3 though... Do I need to bleed the master cylinder with the whole system, or will doing the wheels suffice? Oh, and I would have had BP send the cylinders with the shipment for the frotn ones, but they didn't have them in stock until Monday, so I got them as soon as I could. I guess I could put down a few of the parts I'm looking for here, if anyone has them and is willing to part, please drop a line. Needed: Headliner - front/rear for IIA w/roof vents Carb - Weber or Solex (a rebuildable cheap one would be nice) Tailgate - need gate and hardware Front bumper - a calf on the West Desert necessitated this replacement. Thanks for the advice and everything. Oh, I just remembered seeing a show on Fox yesterday about some South African miliatary something or other. (caught it at the end) Anyhow, there was a shootout between a Willy's that had a howitzer in the rear end of it and a black 109 wagon down a mountain road. It ended at an airfield with lots of gratuitous explosions and an '88 or two running around the tarmack. Anyone else seen this? Just wondering. Adios, Michael ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: an aerodynamic "feature" ? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:54:23 +0930 (CST) Lloyd ponders solihul delayed rain: > It stays there above 30 kph approx, even if the rain stops. then, > suddenly flings itself at the windscreen, reducing visibility considerably, > if you've turned off the wipers - because it stopped raining, remember? > It's a bit of a shock the first few times that it happens. > I was just wondering if 110/90s (and other stage 1's) do this too Well my stage 1 certainly does, only way to reduce it is to mount a tyre on the bonnet, which catches most of the spray. (or drive a long way after the rain stops and dry off the accumulation) > An old chestnut I've not seen aired here: > why do L-R drum brakes all (?) squeal and is there any way to > stop them? - apart from lubricating with oil! My hunch; dust buildup is the major cause, the secondary one is the rather roughly finished rebonded linings which seem to be all yoy can get now. Try chamfering the leading edge of the lining with a file, this sometimes helps. Oh yeh Glazed drums probably dont help.... When was the last time you had the drums skimmed, if your anything like me the idea of replacing those 3" x11" drums after only a couple of re-surfacings puts me off, I dread to think what they will cost. Hey i'm on a roll here (g), steady posts rubbing on the shoe ( my "rubbing blocks fell to bits years ago :-( cheers -- Daryl #end# ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JCassidyiv@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:11:49 -0400 Subject: Koenig Winch First off, thanks to all who have offered help on my new(old) winch purchase. I have figured out how I need to mount the winch, but the drive shaft extends rearward from the bottom left edge of the winch-too far to the left for connection to the front output(where the hand crank nut is). Is it supposed to connect to the output where the overdrive unit currently is? If so, do I have to remove the overdrive if I want to winch?(the overdrive is new). Thanks again for all the help I've received. Cheers! John P.S. My '87 3.5l RR is getting 15.5mpg with the K+N air filter and Flowmaster exhaust. This is about a 2 mpg increase over baseline. What are others getting with their stock RR? I'll let you know if it improves(and it better, for the $) after the addition of the Jacob's Electronics Energy team(high performance coil and ignition computer). ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: a-robw@microsoft.com Subject: RE: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 10:50:00 PDT For me, I found that I wouldn't have needed to use the winch when I have if I'd had better traction (i.e. better tires and/or lockers) The problem with a winch is that you have to get out find something to hook up to, hook it up, then unhook it, etc, etc, etc, OTOH, you can't pull a stump with lockers. An electric winch is pretty easy to hang, while lockers (depending on the model) can require some machine work to the axles (i.e. a lot of work). In my case, I put the winch on first a) because it looks "cooler" than lockers do (you can't even see them!) and b) I ran across a good deal on a used one. (pretty scientific, huh?) -- Bob W. ------------------ FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? Hi, I have a '71 Land Rover Series IIa 88, and some extra $ coming in shortly. 33" tires and 2" lift are planned. My questions are: 1. Should I get a Warn 8274 or ARB locker(s?) first? 1b. Should I get F/R lockers? Or just rear? 2. Are there ANY other lockers available for this besides the ARB air lockers? (I've been searching, but found no others so far.) (If you know of any, PLEASE include part number and phone # so I can order them!!) 3. What other additions would you recommend? Other planned mod's include a rollcage, rino bars, stereo, heat shielding, possible air vents for footwell... Any used 8274's or lockers to fit this rig out there??? ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950720 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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