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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:01:41 -0400
From: Stephen Thomas <stephen.thomas@tridom.com>
Subject: Re: Lucas strikes in a Discovery!

Robert wrote:

>newer Solihull products, if this weekend is any clue.  Now granted, this
>reports a very minor occurence, hardly one to stop the beast, but perhaps
>it foreshadows electrical joys to come (in 20 -30 years).

Believe it or not, your turn signal might be working as designed!

>...No happy little
>trailer icon at all.  And a very staccato "BlipBlupBlipBlup" replaced the
>reassuring "ka-thunk Blump.  Ka-thunk Blump."

I've not seen this described in the owner's manual, but, when the
turn signal blinks at about twice normal speed, without the trailer
icon, then it's trying to tell you that the lamp (the one in the
rear of the vehicle, not in the dashboard ;^) has burned out.
I can't say if your lamp really has burned out, or, if so, why
the lamp burned out, but I do know this works.

I discovered this first hand when I, too, thought poltergeists had
taken over and sped up the turn signal. Fortunately, this actually
happened on the way to the dealer for an oil change. When I mentioned
it to the service guy he told me what it was trying to say. We checked,
and sure enough, the right turn signal lamp was dead.

--Stephen

____________________________________________________________
Stephen Thomas
AT&T Tridom                 Phone: (404) 514-3522
840 Franklin Court          Fax:   (404) 514-3491
Marietta, GA 30067  USA     Email: stephen.thomas@tridom.com

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Date: 18 Jul 95 08:19:39 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Anyone know Melrose, WI. ?

Is there anyone from or the vicinity of Melrose, WI. 54642 ?

My pal Gunter has received a written request from someone from that place
(on recommendation by an American serviceman who was stationed here and had
his old Range Rover serviced by Gunter) who is looking for a specific type
of used RR, and we happen to have just what he's looking for, at a bargain
offer. But, Gunter wants to get rid of the thing within the next two weeks,
and we only have the person's snail mail address. Needless to say we won't
be able to pull the deal through in just two weeks via sm. If at least we
had a phone or fax no ...  e-mail would be ideal of course. The guy's name
is Chris Nestor.
Any help would be appreciated, especially by the prospective RR owner.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Mark.Kraieski@corp.wrgrace.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 08:42:03 -0400
Subject: U.S. Defender 90 in '96?

I have been saving my money and was planning on getting a new '96 
Defender 90 in December or January. Just took a trip to my local dealer 
and he indicated that '95 would most likely be the last model year for 
the Defender 90 in the states due to changes needed to meet '96 federal 
safety standards. Can anyone verify this? Will '95 be the last model 
year, will the Defender return basically unchanged for '96, or will 
there be a '96 model with some improvements? I guess I could just get a 
leftover '95 in any event - there seem to be quite a few around right 
now. I just have a habit of buying vehicles months before a 
substantially improved model replaces them!

If this has been hashed before, let me know when and I will go get the 
archives.

Cheers!

Mark

Mark Kraieski
WR Grace
One Town Center Road
Boca Raton, FL 33486-1010
Mark.Kraieski@corp.wrgrace.com

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:42:31 -0400
Subject: Two Rovers for sale...

NO !!! These aren't mine...( it's in my will that I'm to be buried strapped
into my LWB, hands firmly gripping the wheel )...

I came across these two this weekend, and promised a posting for the non-net
owners. The usual dis-claimers apply...

A)  '73 Series III SWB.  Howard Steele  916.346.2110  (Grass Valley)
      No other details on this one except that this owner paid $3500. 
      three years ago, and now wants to sell.

B)  73  SWB Lightweight (Airportable)  Dave Bean  209.754.5802 day

                                                                 209.754.1256
nite
      Overdrive, hardtop, spares, manuals.
      Color is RCAF blue.
      Vehicle is U.S. legal, has current Calif. registration.
      I've eyeballed this vehicle... seems in fair shape, but I cannot 
      comment on the mechanicals.
     
      Owner wants $9,000 ( gulp! ), but it's been for sale for a while
      and will surely take less.

Happy hunting,   Eric.

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Lucas strikes in a Discovery!
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 14:01:57 BST

So now your biggest problem is to assemble the twelve
people necessary to change the bulb (see alternative
FAQ).Although that *was* on a series machine.So say
fifteen to be on the safe side.March of technology
and all that......
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 14:00:00 GMT
From: mcka_le0@paisley.ac.uk (Paddy McKay)
Subject: Re: Discovery

>Since the Discovery is relatively new to the U.S. market, we don't have a 
>lot of information available on long-term reliability.    I was wondering 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Gerry         (Just another FNG to the scene and  loving every minute of 
>it!)

Gerry,

I have a 1991 Disco TDi (200) which I bought last August.

At the time the vehicle had done 30,000 miles, and since then I have put
28,000 on it mostly commuting from Edinburgh to Glasgow.

In that time I have had a number of problems which have been repaired under
the warranty, and as far as I can tell are reasonably common in these era of
Disco's. The main ones are:

Power Steering Box replaced due to failed seals.

A clutch failure highlighted a problem with the gearbox with the main shaft
being excessively worn. The gearbox had to be stripped down and rebuilt with
a new main shaft.

I have made various enquiries (including this list) and from what I have
been told these are the two main common problems which occur, and since the
gearbox episode my vehicle has been running absolutely fine.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 13:59:39 GMT
From: mcka_le0@paisley.ac.uk (Paddy McKay)
Subject: Re: SE TYRE SUPPLIERS

Glen

>     I am currently in the process of rebooting my 86" utility. Does anyone 
>     know of a specialist 4 X 4 tyre outlet in the Surrey / Middx area, 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>     from Motorway Tyres, Byfleet, @ $42 each all-in fitted. Does anyone 
>     have any experience of these, or I am open to suggestions (polite).

A fellow LR enthusiast tells me that the Michelin 4x4 tyres are reckoned to
be the best compromise tyres.

I recently got a quite a good deal from ATS in Edinburgh who provided my
Disco with some new Michelins at about 30 quid less than the likes of
Kwik-Fit, etc. 

I have not had any problems with these, although I have not done a great
deal of off-roading since I got them, although I have been driving a few
forest roads and they survived them better than the guy in the 101 I was in
convoy with.

Hope this helps

paddy
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Scottish Property Network                Fax (+44) 0141 887 9799
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 95 21:57:30 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: Brain failure/no manuals 

Looking at the Land Rover parts book for the Series III there appears to be 
no bearing.  An "oil seal retainer" FRC 2552 is listed which seems to fit in 
the swivel housing outboard of the oil seal (571718).  The book shows that 
the same axle casing is used for the 109 and stage 1, implying that an oil 
seal (217400) is fitted in the end of the casing for both applications.

The stub axle is specific to the 109V8 and incorporates a bush and oil seal, 
the former giving the outer end of the half shaft more support than the 
non-bushed arrangement found on later 88/109 axles.

Sorry, can't help you on the brake question.
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Tony Chapman             E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
HAWTEC                   Tel:    01905 723200
Haswell House            Fax:    01905 613338 
St. Nicholas Street      Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

Date: 04/22/95
Time: 09:26:25

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 06:57:58 PDT
From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
Subject: RE: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!! 

Sorry but I don't think you'll be able to bleed the rear brakes other than by 
removing the rusted in nipples.  Raising the front of the vehicle won't help. 
 Best advice is to remove the cylinders nad attempt to remove the remains 
using a screw extraxtor ("easy out"), releasing oil and/or heat.  Good luck!

Brass nipples are available in the UK which overcome this problem; I've used 
them for several years.
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Tony Chapman             E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk
HAWTEC                   Tel:    01905 723200
Haswell House            Fax:    01905 613338 
St. Nicholas Street      Mobile: 0973 316835
Worcester
WR1 1UW

Date: 04/22/95
Time: 09:26:25

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:35:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: International Subscription

On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, Tiffany Downing wrote:

> Our club is the largest Land Rover's Only club in Australia (and until 
> recently the only one) that will not accept members into the club if 
> they do not own or part own a Land Rover (minimum of a chassis).

	Ottawa Valley Land Rovers (the oldest and largest club in Canada)
	actually allows people to be in the club if they don't own a
	Land Rover.  So does Rover Owners Assoc of Virginia (oldest
	club in the USA) & Land Rover Owners Accos of America (largest
	club in USA/NA) & Bay State (2nd largest club in USA)

	What OVLR does is send them by Robin Craig for outfitting
	with at least one Land Rover toy.  Robin?  Well we figured that
	anyone with as many toy & model Land Rovers as this chap deserves
	to be in a club.  (Robin has more toys and models that there
	are 1:1 scale version here & this club has *a lot* of Land
	Rovers in it.  One member has more than 30 of them.)  Actually,
	if they don't own a LR, generally they will fairly soon.

> Our club has a very wide range of vehicles including:
> Series I's, II's and III's, Forward Controls, Stage I's, County's (Petrol & 
> Diesel), Defenders, Discoveries and Rangies.  At one stage we had a 90 but 
> the owner was visiting from England and has now gone home.  

	We are kinda lean on the post '74 through '95 civilian stuff.
	Lots of military stuff though...  We have a huge gap from 1974
	to 1987 where British Leyland abandoned the NA market for 
	Land Rovers (stuck around until 1980 with other vehicles when
	the entire company went for a dump).  Some NA clubs are tending
	towards 80%+ post '87 vehicles, while others are staying 90%+
	pre 1980 vehicles.  Depends on area & club emphasis.

> * You will be sent (By airmail) our club magazine on a monthly basis (there 
> are 11 issues printed - we do not print a magazine in December). Every 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> (crosswords, etc), advertisements (members can advertise in the magazine 
> free of charge) and lots more.

	North American scene:
	OVLR is monthly, 
	Solihull Society and BSROA are bimonthly, 
	ROAV is quarterly as is LROA's Aluminium Workhorse.  
	All have the above too.

> * You are welcome to participate in all club trips (if you come to visit us 
> in Australia) including our trials, our fishing competition and our 
> Christmas Party!!!!

	Am sure all the NA clubs are the same... :-)  

> * You will NOT have voting rights NOR be covered by our Club's public  
> liability Insurance (for obvious reasons :-)

	What if the member is there at an event?  OVLR's insurance
	would cover members & visitors at events.  ROAV's covers non-
	members too at its big Fall Rally.  In Canada (and probably 
	USA too, the vehicle insurance covers any moving accidents.  
	Static are the clubs' problem. (Don't know how BSROA or other
	clubs handle this at events).  Voting?  Depends if the club
	ever has, or had, elections... :-)

> If anyone is interested in joining, the fee is $45 Australian dollars 
> (Bankdraft or Money Orders only accepted), however please feel free to ask 
> more questions before you join.  An application form will soon be available 
> via E-mail but for now I'll have to send you one via Snail-Mail.

	OVLR             = $20Cdn   
	ROAV             = $15US  
	Solihull Society = $20US
	LROA             = $20US    
	BSROA            = $45US

> Please send any mail with enquiries for membership, any questions, 
> suggestions or whatever to:
> tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au
> via E-mail but for now I'll have to send you one via Snail-Mail.

	OVLR             = dixon kenner (dkenner@emr.ca)
	ROAV             = Sandy grice  (rover@pinn.net)
	Solihull Society = Todd Mills   (tomills@du.edu)
	BSROA            = jim pappas   (jpappa01@interserve.com)
	LROA             = brad blevins (unclebrad@aol.com)

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From: mcdan@Rt66.com (Dan McDonough)
Subject: RE: U.S. Defender 90 in '96?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:50:20 -0600 (MDT)

> Defender 90 in December or January. Just took a trip to my local dealer 
> and he indicated that '95 would most likely be the last model year for 
> the Defender 90 in the states due to changes needed to meet '96 federal 
> safety standards. Can anyone verify this? Will '95 be the last model 

I just dropped of my D90 fro scheduled service this AM. The dealer here
in Albuquerque said that the modifications required would be too extensive
to justify a design change when you comapre North American sales to
world wide sales of the 90.

I'm glad we took the plunge this year.

Daniel McDonough
mcdan@rt66.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:39:38 EDT
From: ZDNZ89A@prodigy.com (MR BRONSON HAMILTON)

help

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 08:22:38 MST
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 08:46:40 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!!

Michael,

Just for the fun of it adjust the LR's shoes.  Poorly adjusted shoes can 
sometimes be worth a pump.  If the rear shoes go off the snail cam before they 
tighten up, they are on backwards.  Put the rear one to the front side and the 
front one to the rear of the pack plate.  Having the rear shoes on backwards can
be worth one or two pumps.  I know that one from experience.

The master cylinder can sometimes be a bear to bleed.  Sometimes you can not put
enough pressure into an E-Z bleed to get all the air out of a system.  Snap-ON 
has a pressure bleeder that allows higher pressures but they are somewhat 
expensive.  You may have a local service station  that has one and can do a 
comparitivly high pressure bleed for a reasonable price.  You will probably have
to bring your own DOT4 fluid.

So in order:
Adjust brakes making sure rears are on correctly.
Put new rear wheel cylinders on
Have the brake system power bled

Don't drive the car if you need multiple pumps to stop it.

TeriAnn Wakeman              .sig closed for remodeling
twakeman@apple.com         
              
                         
                       

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:26:13 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: RE: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!!

Re bleeding brakes with broken bleeder nipples:

You can get the majority if not all of the air out by cracking the brake line 
into the cylinder as an assistant presses the pedal.  Be sure to tighten 
before the assistant lets off of the pedal, otherwise you will draw more air 
into the system.  It is messy but may make it driveable until you get new 
cylinders.  Unless, of course, the fittings snap off.

Good Luck!

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

eat this line 3
eat this line 2
eat this line 1

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:58:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: RE: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!!

On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, maloney wrote:

> You can get the majority if not all of the air out by cracking the brake line 
> into the cylinder as an assistant presses the pedal.  Be sure to tighten 
> before the assistant lets off of the pedal, otherwise you will draw more air 
> into the system.  It is messy but may make it driveable until you get new 
> cylinders.  Unless, of course, the fittings snap off.
>.
	Driving up the bonnet of my ex automatic TR-7 with the 109 did a 
	fine job at clearing out the air from the master cylinder.  Using
	a jack-all and raising the front end by about 3 1/2 feet also works
	at levelling the cylinder.  Of course, there is bench bleeding too.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: misc. (RR questions)

The Service Engine light comes on every 52,500 miles to indicate 
scheduled emmissions service. Resetting it is simple and described in the 
shop manual -- I'll look it up again since this question seems to keep 
coming up.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:17:08 -0700
From: matts@caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Re: RR service engine light

>Matt, if this is the case about 88 RR's, that the EFI light indicates
...
>Jon

My conclusion about the light is based on circumstantial evidence, but it's 
pretty compelling.  First, I would clarify that in mine, the light is 
labelled "Check Engine," as opposed to service engine or anything else.  
This light is in a place where the owners manual says there should be a 
blank, which is the first clue that it's emissions related, since it would 
be present in the U.S. only.

Second, the wiring diagram of my shop manual does show the light, and it 
shows its feed coming from a black box.  The black box receives input from 
the speedo/cruise control circuitry, which leads me to conclude the black 
box tracks mileage, and when the appropriate number of miles have gone by, 
it turns on the light.

-Matt

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Propping up Rover
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 16:15:36 BST

Interesting to read at the weekend,that the Rover Group
(Cars) sales have dropped,either *by* 11% or *to* 11%,
I forget which,a fact which is masked by the roaring
success of Land Rover.So once again,or still,if you're
a sceptic(guilty as charged m'lud)Land Rover props up
the rest of the group.
It is thought,apparently,that BMW may abandon its current
"hands off" approach to the car side.About time.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Rover sales down 11%...  Yeah...

  
   SO THE generous and caring SMMT want to save the world by giving us
   =A3500 to scrap our old jalopies? How nice. It's a pity we must spend
   =A35-10,000 to take advantage of the offer.
  
   It's a simple idea: sign on the dotted line to buy a brand new car and
   a "monkey" - as they call =A3500 in the trade - is yours. While you're
   waiting for your fully PC 1995 car, your nasty, mankind-menacing old
   dog will be taken away and shot.
  
   There are, of course, no plans to make such a scheme compulsory, nor
   to introduce a ban on cars over 10 years old. In the future, it is
   inconceivable that the maximum age of vehicles permitted to use HM's
   highways would be reduced to five years, or three years, or . . .
  
   Forgive our cynicism, but motorists wouldn't be paranoid if people
   didn't keep getting at us.
  
   First, what is the purpose of the =A3500 carrot being waved under the
   noses of banger owners? To rid us of dangerous, polluting wrecks, says
   the SMMT. New cars are clean and safe, they proclaim, with
   sanctimonious greenness.
  
   Perhaps it's worth mentioning that the Society of Motor Manufacturers
   and Traders represents the interests of those selling new cars. With
   the greatest respect, this does make them slightly biased.
  
   There's no argument that modern engines are more efficient and have
   less noxious breath. But, an estimated 40 per cent of the energy
   squandered by a car during its lifetime is used in its manufacture. It
   seems logical that a very good way of reducing pollution would be to
   stop making new cars and to repair the existing millions or to make
   only small, light, slow, repairable cars, instead of the big, heavy,
   fast, throwaway ones currently on offer.
  
   We shouldn't jump for joy just because Official Figures show that a
   Mondeo emits less lead/carbon monoxide/sulphur dioxide/benzene/pot
   noodles, or whatever, than a decrepit Marina. Official Figures also
   say that most car journeys are too short for engines and catalysts to
   reach correct operating temperatures.
  
   There is no such thing as an environmentally friendly car.
   Anti-pollution measures tend to decrease engine efficiency, and modern
   cars are driven farther, faster, which tends to negate potential
   gains.
  
   The true motivation for banger euthanasia is plain. Sales in 1995 are
   slipping. In times of desperation, virtually anything is preferable to
   leaving new cars standing unsold. Forget saving the planet - moving
   metal; that's what it's all about.
  
   Luckily, not all motor industry men approve of the scheme. When the
   proposal was first mooted, the new chairman of Rover, Bernd
   Pischetsrieder, was quoted as saying: "It is nonsense. This is not the
   way to do business . . . this kind of decision will lead to the wrong
   corporate culture and the wrong political actions." Exactly.
  
   Rod Ker
  
   =A3500 to cube a car, if you buy a new one
  
   Electronic Telegraph is a Registered Service Mark of The Telegraph plc

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 10:59:51 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: My Bloody (er, bleeding) brakes!!!

In message <199507181623.LAA10167@butler.uk.stratus.com> maloney writes:
 
: You can get the majority if not all of the air out by cracking the brake line 
: 
: into the cylinder as an assistant presses the pedal.  Be sure to tighten 
: before the assistant lets off of the pedal, otherwise you will draw more air 
: into the system.  It is messy but may make it driveable until you get new 
: cylinders.  Unless, of course, the fittings snap off.
: 
: Good Luck!
: 
: Bill

Bill have you ever tried this?

There are a lot of threads to deal with and since the line and cylinder have to 
be perfectly lined up to thread correctly if unthreaded, it strikes me as a 
disaster in the making that can induce even more air into the system.  Remember 
this will do nothing to eliminate any air in the wheel cylinder itself since you
would be opening the system before the cylinder.

I would sooner have asked BP to send the parts overnight UPS and not play games 
while waiting for a BP order to arrive.

TeriAnn Wakeman              .sig closed for remodeling
twakeman@apple.com         
              
                         
                       

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:02:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: So new car sales are down, what to do....

The Electronic Telegraph  Tuesday 18 July 1995    Motoring

  
  LAST WEEK MOTOR MANUFACTURERS LAUNCHED THEIR PLAN TO GET
  OLD CARS OFF THE ROAD (AS LONG AS THEIR OWNERS BUY
  BRAND NEW REPLACEMENTS). BUT FOR THOUSANDS OF
  PEOPLE THE BANGER IS THE ONLY VIABLE TRANSPORT.
  ERIC BAILEY EXPLAINS THE PROPOSALS, AND ROD KER, EDITOR OF
  THE BANGER-USERS' BIBLE, JALOPY & SLOW CAR, RESPONDS
 
  
   THE Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders - which represents the
   makers of shiny new cars - this week intensified its attack on the
   drivers of rusty old cars by unveiling detailed proposals for a =A3500
   "incentive to scrap".
  
   Vehicle emissions could be reduced by 1.7 per cent across the country,
   it said, if the Government were to encourage motorists to have cars
   over 10 years old cubed by offering the cash incentive - as long as
   they then bought a brand new replacement.
  
   Similar schemes have already been tried in Greece, France, Denmark,
   Spain and Ireland; all have resulted in thousands of old cars coming
   to the end of the road, while helping manufacturers to improve their
   sales figures.
  
   The SMMT scheme would mean that the banger-driver would have to prove
   that the "car" had been in use during the previous six months. The
   dealer would give the =A3500 discount off the price of the new car, then
   the old car would be scrapped and the dealer would use a "certificate
   of destruction" to claim the money back from the Government.
  
   The number of cars over 10 years old has risen from about 5.5 million
   in 1989 to more than seven million last year. However, the SMMT was at
   pains to make it clear it was not targeting classic cars, but the
   "bangers and smokers".
  
   Ernie Thompson, SMMT chief executive, said: "It seems hardly fair that
   a new car buyer has to pay for the catalytic system, engine management
   and other refinements needed to meet emission standards while his
   neighbour runs around in an 11-year-old banger which, even if well
   maintained, is probably causing four times as much pollution."
  
    Sixty per cent of Britain's buses are more than 10 years old. We have t=
he
    oldest fleet in Europe apart from Greece
   
   The SMMT believes that in its first year the scheme could result in up
   to 400,000 British cars being scrapped, although half of these would
   die anyway. It argues that the VAT received by the Government on the
   extra new car sales would make the scheme for cars self-financing.
  
   It proposes similar measures for light vans, HGVs and buses and
   coaches.
  
   "Buses are a disgrace," said Mr Thompson. "Sixty per cent of Britain's
   buses are more than 10 years old. We have the oldest fleet in Europe
   apart from Greece."
  
   However, the RAC warned that older cars are not necessarily the most
   polluting. "It is not as simple as the SMMT say," said campaigns
   manager Edmund King. "We have the largest database on pollution in
   Europe, and it shows that a properly serviced 10-year-old Escort can
   be cleaner than a three-year-old Cavalier which has been neglected."
  
   And the French scheme, which ended last month, has been criticised by
   Jacques Calvet, president of the PSA Citro=91n group, who said it had
   distorted the market in favour of the smallest cars and upset price
   stability as customers without a car to scrap sought similar
   discounts.
  
   The message from the Department of Transport is, however, keep on
   chugging. "The Department is not convinced that this scheme is a
   sensible way forward," said a spokesman. "We prefer to target vehicles
   emitting excessive pollution, which is why we are tightening MoT
   standards and encouraging roadside checks."
  
   Eric Bailey
  
   It's all about moving metal
  
   Electronic Telegraph is a Registered Service Mark of The Telegraph plc

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:46:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Propping up Rover

On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, Mike Rooth wrote:

> Interesting to read at the weekend,that the Rover Group (Cars) sales 
> have dropped,either *by* 11% or *to* 11%, I forget which,a fact which 
> is masked by the roaring success of Land Rover.So once again,or still,
> if you're a sceptic(guilty as charged m'lud)Land Rover props up
> the rest of the group.

	British Motor Corp + British Leyland = British Leyland Motor Corp

	BLMC -=> Br*tish L*yl*nd  

	BL   -=> Jaguar, Rover Triumph 

	JRT  -=> Austin Rover

	AR   -=> Rover Group
	
	Rover Group is just the latest name change to hide the fact that
	they are still British Leyland.  Hop onto www.telegraph.co.uk
	sometime and go through the online archives.  Did a search on
	Land Rover in the late 1980's.  Hundreds of articles starting
	off with "Strike... "  "Labour troubles..."  etc.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:47:13 +0059 (BST)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: So new car sales are down, what to do....

Once again I refer you to the recent Science article. Its findings DIRECTLY 
contravene the idea that cars 10 years or older inherently produce more 
emissions. The problem can be reduced to poor maintenance. They found 
that amongst 'gross pollutors' that they were even distributed across the 
age-band, and that the WORST pollutors were often modern vehicles with 
'tampered' emissions systems. Lead in the cat, hoses disconnected/cut, 
pumps/valves removed, etc....

But hey, this study was only done by scientists. There weren't any motor 
manufacturers or governments underwriting or conducting it... oh well.

charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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From: UncleBrad@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:43:54 -0400
Subject: wanted- turbo kit

I have a friend, Eric Mills in Concord, California, who is looking for a
turbo kit for his Land Rover engine. he has a Dormobile and would like to
give it a little more pull on those grades. He would prefer to find a used
one. Got any ideas?

------------------------------

From: "Stefan R. Steiner" <ssteiner@almaden.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:45:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Lucas strikes in a Discovery!

> Take heart, all you series owners out there, Lucas is alive and lurking in
> newer Solihull products, if this weekend is any clue.  Now granted, this
.....
> when I left my disco out in this heat, the left blinker started behaving
> rather oddly 'till it had a chance to cool down.  Normally, when one
....
> heat had fried old Joe's brain, making him all skittery.  No happy little
> trailer icon at all.  And a very staccato "BlipBlupBlipBlup" replaced the

Well durn, some other poor soul is afflicted with the same malefic
"BlipBlupBlipBlup" turn signal. I discovered this same problem (but with the
right blinker) after having the disco a few days during the "getting to know
you" phase of new car ownership, and I must say it didn't instill great
confidence in my new catch. I promptly returned the beast to the dealership and
they said they fixed it, claiming it was a corroded connection in the right
front blinker (strange I thought, this thing rolled off the assembly line just
two months ago). Oh, by the way, I didn't bring the disco to the dealer for
only this problem, it had a few others (transfer case popped out of high at low
stress, highway cruising speeds--fixed, white paint has some strange looking
brownish overspray in a few places--most fixed, driver side leather seat had a
slight flaw that I figured would become major over time--they agreed and
replaced it, and one of the overhead rear seat nets was broken in one
corner--will be fixed--Warning, to replace the net, they are going to have to
drop part of the headliner to attach a new one--don't break them, sounds like a
fairly major operation...).
  Well, after a couple of weeks and during a heat wave, the darned right
blinker started going "BlipBlupBlipBlup" again. I discovered that by going out
and smacking the right front blinker lightly temporarily fixes my problem. Try
it, I think yours might like it.  If it doesn't, try smacking the rear one. I
need to spend a few minutes and take the hosed blinker apart and fix it myself
one day. By the way, I believe the disco accelerates the blinker to warn you
that a blinker bulb is busted. In fact, after typing and you having to read all
of this drivel, all what might be wrong with your disco is that one of its
blinker bulbs is burnt out...
  By the way, I really enjoy my disco, even with its few quirks. The little
beast is wonderful off-road. The only things I would tell the Solihull folks is
they need to raise that blasted air dam or make it easy to remove (I've mashed
it into a few things off-roading) and to fix the seatbelt system. If the disco
is tilted sideways a fair bit and you get out of the truck to scope things out
on a trail, good luck trying to fasten the seatbelt again.
  Now a question, does anyone know of a decent brush guard with ~8000lb winch
that will work on a airbagged Discovery? I don't mind having to replace the
bumper and it's air dam.

Cheers,
Stefan Steiner
'95 5sp Disco
'72 350SB Land Cruiser

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From: "Timothy Steere" <tcsteere@melbpc.org.au>
Date:          Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:49:50 +1000
Subject:       Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

list
---------------------------------------------------------
Timothy Steere
Flemington
Australia

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:13:48 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Centre Diffs

About a month or two ago, I posted an article from the spring edition of 
"The Gearbox".  Written by Jim Allen of LRO's "Stateside Beat", it is the 
best discussion of centre diffs and their inner workings to date.  
Unfortunately, I posted it at the time that The Major was suffering from 
apoplexy and Bill was on holiday.  Probably <5% of you actually saw it.  
Anyway, considering the thread on centre diffs an' such, I'll repost it...if 
ya'll want it.  Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:13:57 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: A proper Land Rover beer....

Concerning the thread on Land-Rover beers, we'll be having three kegs of 
beer at the Mid-Atlantic Rally - a fine porter, a tasty pilsner and a 
wonderful dark ale - all crafted by "Legendary Brewing" in Richmond.  ...I 
just hope those Georgia boys move a bit farther away from the taps this 
time....Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:27:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Antram <antram@emba.uvm.edu>
Subject: '95 er... '96 Disco

	Hello everyone; its looking like we might not get a '95 at all; 
this ( today ) was the last allocation of '95 Discos for our dealer. So, 
I thought I'd ask if people thought ordering a '96 now ( we ordered our 
'95 on January 15th, were told it was a couple of month wait ) and, 
seeing as our ideal Disco isn't a common configuration wether we should 
order one in each color we like and see if any of them come. Has anyone 
heard anything about the '96s ? I should know for sure if LRNA is going 
to do somthing nice for us people who never got thier LR's this year in a 
couple of weeks. Thanks everyone.

	-John

------------------------------

From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 18 Jul 95 20:57:22 EDT
Subject: Coiled in the corner....

A question for the assemblage, if I may...

As I'm sure you've all heard too much of, I am at present refitting my
109 with a petrol engine to replace its wimpy Diesel. With this, I have to
add a few things that did not exist in the vehicle previously, namely a
separate starter solenoid and an ignition coil.

The solenoid was easy - Fords used a separate one for many years, and
$11.50 at the local auto-parts emporium bought me one. The coil, however,
is not quite as easy a call.

The original Rover coil did not use a ballast resistor, but in the throes of
sanity I decided to purchase a generic replacement coil and ballast resistor
to replace it. No problem with this, so far.

Do I need to rig a resistor cutout for starting, or will a straight connection 
to the
keylock for +12 volts suffice? i remember my older Volvo having such an
attachment on its ignition key, whereby the resistor was jumpered out and +12
shot straight to the coil for easy starting in cold weather.

Opinions?     Yours, Alan

------------------------------

From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Coiled in the corner
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:59:49 +0930 (CST)

Alan writes:> 
> Do I need to rig a resistor cutout for starting, or will a straight
connection to the keylock for +12 volts suffice?

I dont know about "need" but why not just run a lead from the solenoid side
that is hot only when starting just like "ol joe" did with some of his later
beasts.   Or is the keylock closer and simpler to get at ?

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:33:09 -0400
Subject: Not from me, it isn't!

There was a young man named Trevor,
Who swaddled his swivels in leather.
He wouldn't afford new,
So he painted the balls blue-
Now they're concealed with a tether!

I deny it! Imperically, catagorically! All Rovers look alike, how do you
_really_ know it was me? And that damn 'service' light is flashing on my
Lucas Flame Guard!

See 'ya on the old road...
Jim  '61 88" SW / OD, 1 Bbl weber & 16's   (econobox?)
LR....quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised! 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 01:38:09 -0400
From: rparker@tiac.net (Randy Parker)
Subject: Re: U.S. Defender 90 in '96?

This was posted a few weeks ago to this list by Jim Pappas (a very
knowledgeable Roverhead who also works for the local dealer):

Followup on the NAS D90 HARDTOP Station Wagon. There will be a total of 540 of 
these produced; commencing with September production - running until the end 
of the year. These will be allocated into spring of 1996 as 1995 models. 
Again, there will be NO *1996* Defender 90 of any type. I am making an 
assumption that, as with the NAS Defender 110, these 540 units will largely be 
presold.

I still have not seen a photo of one, however I have been told that an 
exterior cage such as the Safety Devices unit on the D110 will be standard 
along with a fully finished interior and the traditional four folding 
jumpseats for a seating capacity of six.

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From: Frederick_O._Ellsworth@bcsmac.org (Frederick O. Ellsworth)
Subject: Idly Frustrated
Date: 17 Jul 1995 23:51:56 GMT

What's up with the conference?  Haven't recieved it in days....  Withdrawal!

So I'm still trying to get the 'ol 88" to idle smoothly.  Here's what I've
done.  New plugs, points, cap & rotor.  Lucas sport coil (I found in a
junkyard for $5, thought it might help).  Resurfaced emulsion block and top
plate on the Zenith carb & installed new accelerator pump diaphram (old one
was torn).   All of this has been over the last couple months, it runs great
at speed.  

Nothing has helped the idle, though.  The new rotor I put on today is
different from the old one.  I have the newest style distributor & the rotor
RN sent has a longer arm than the one I replaced.  Didn't make much
difference but the pickups on the new cap seem a bit burnt after only a few
minutes of idling.  Hmmm.  

The idle mixture adjustment still doesn't seem to do much but I think its
more because the idle is so rough I just can't tell.  

There is a very loud clicking sound coming from the distributor, although I
can't narrow it down further.  

Anyone with suggestions please send them along.  I am getting more than a
little frustrated.  

Thanks in advance.  

Fred

PS  What about an electronic ignition?  Any info on make, model & price?  

- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Torsen diffs
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:50:32 +0930 (CST)

Mark writes:  Re: Torsen torque biasing diffs
> As soon as I here form the rep on their decision I'll write with the info.

Please do.

> A better possibility may a diff known as the Truetrac. this unit is similar
to the torsen in that it allows some slippage (important for normal pavement
operations) and uses some very complex gearing rather than clutches or cones.

If I remember correctly (it was a while back) True tracs operate by using
gear to casing friction to provide torque biasing. I heard that they worked
very well but were prone to "high" (whatever that means) wear rates.  This
was a few years back so things may have changed a lot. 

Still if they ever become available in OZ and are cheap enough I'd be
interested to have a look.

I think we've covered No-spins and Lock-right auto locking "detroit lockers",
torsens and truetracs torque biasing diffs and "posi traction limited
slippers. Does anyone remember a diff called the "dual-drive" or one known as
"The triple D" and could they explain how they worked and where they fit in?? 

Personally being a lazy, unprepared type I'd prefer a torque biasing type in
the front if I could find one cheap enough.

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

#end#

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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:28:13 +0930
From: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au (Tiffany Downing)
Subject: Photographs of Landies

Lloyd,

I haven't got your direct mail address with me so I've put this on the 
general mailing list.

I have some photographs you might be interested in.  How do you want them 
eg. posted the photos to you, scanned in (what format).  Let me know and 
I'll send them to you.  (It's definitely easier for me to just send you the 
photos rather than mucking about with scanning!)

As for copyright, all of the vehicles in the photos are club members 
vehicles and I have cleared it with the club to use the photos, anyway I 
took the photos so I own the copyright so no problems :-)

Some of the photos I've got that match your list are:
. forward controls (during a trial and sitting around)
. an ambulance going through a creek (I think we took photos of it?)
. IIA's and I's galore
. several ex-army Land Rovers in convoy
. some of our club vehicles on display in a street display
. " " on a club trip at Morgan in a Quarry and on a road somewhere
. photos of several vehicles at Ngarkat (Sandy)
. and many many more!!

You tell me how many you want and I'll pick some that will be interesting to 
see and fit the list you sent me.  I can always send you new one's every so 
often.

Drop me a line and let me know what you want!

TTFN  :-)

Tiffany Downing

********************************************
Co-ordinator, International Student Programs
TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA
Phone:   (61 8) 226 3202
Fax:     (61 8) 226 3655
E-Mail:  tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au
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