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1 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 12 | Taking leave... |
2 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 40 | U.S.Specs and Defender |
3 | Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar | 21 | Re: an aerodynamic "feature" ? |
4 | Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar | 38 | Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... |
5 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 14 | Re: an aerodynamic "feature" ? |
6 | Andrew Grafton [A.J.Graf | 32 | Expedition Preparation |
7 | hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.co | 17 | Heated Series Windscreens |
8 | First Lastname [First.La | 4 | http://mercury.cair.du.edu/~tomills/landrover.html |
9 | mtzphil@vax.ccc.nottingh | 28 | Mike Rooths anti-science rant |
10 | "Steve Methley" [sgm@hpl | 16 | Re: Heated Series Windscreens |
11 | "R. Pierce Reid" [70004. | 25 | LR's in Movies... More |
12 | Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar | 20 | Re: LR's in Movies... More |
13 | Steve Methley [sgm@hplb. | 18 | Re: Heated Series Windscreens |
14 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 13 | Re: Heated Series Windscreens |
15 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 16 | Re: Mike Rooths anti-science rant |
16 | BobandSueB@aol.com | 30 | Re: #2(3) The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
17 | berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff | 42 | Tuning question. |
18 | jjbpears@ix.netcom.com ( | 21 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
19 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 52 | Re: U.S.Specs and Defender |
20 | DANCSC@aol.com | 41 | Let's keep the D90's coming |
21 | Nckcharles@aol.com | 41 | Re: The comments of Mike Rooth on Ian Smith |
22 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 45 | Re: U.S.Specs and Defender |
23 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 35 | Next question... (Written in "Taylor-ease") |
24 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 22 | Re: Next question... (Written in "Taylor-ease") |
25 | jhong@haiku.com (John Ho | 24 | re; 96 defenders... |
26 | cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk | 29 | Re: Next question... |
27 | jhoward@argus.lowell.edu | 14 | Re: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? |
28 | Tony Dunmore [lightweigh | 53 | re: Heated Screens (repost) |
29 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 27 | Range Rovers lucasisms |
30 | Charlie Wright [cw117@mo | 40 | Re: re; 96 defenders... |
31 | "John B. Friedman" [joha | 65 | Discovery first impressions |
32 | jhong@haiku.com (John Ho | 38 | Re: save the D90! |
33 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 15 | Re: U.S.Specs and Defender |
34 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 20 | Re: re; 96 defenders... |
35 | "Francis J. Twarog" [ftw | 14 | Prices of Land Rovers in US |
36 | Leland J Roys [roys@hpke | 33 | Defender 90 winch |
37 | "Russell G. Dushin" [dus | 25 | Prices of Land Rovers in US (fwd) |
38 | Leland J Roys [roys@hpke | 31 | Diff dropping out |
39 | a-robw@microsoft.com | 34 | RE: Discovery first impressions |
40 | Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk | 47 | RE: Heated Series Windscreens |
41 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 19 | RE: Heated Series Windscreens |
42 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 36 | Limited slip not in a LR Series IIa. |
43 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 27 | Re: diff locks (again) |
44 | tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au | 31 | Prices for 2nd Hand Landies |
45 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 27 | [not specified] |
46 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 24 | Re: Limited slip not in a LR Series IIa. |
47 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 11 | Re:positrac price... |
48 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 13 | [not specified] |
49 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 11 | [not specified] |
50 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 19 | [not specified] |
51 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 44 | Re: Down under club |
52 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 28 | 1 slab = 22.5 banana dollars |
53 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 41 | 1 slab is ~ $22.50 banana dollars! |
54 | tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au | 10 | Iced Coffee |
Date: 20 Jul 95 05:24:47 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Taking leave... JFYI I'm unsubscribing temporarily as I'll be vagabonding around Europe for the next 4 weeks, including stops at Billing and Lillehammer (Norway). E-mail still works, but you might have to wait for an answer... Later, Stefan ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: U.S.Specs and Defender Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 10:13:04 BST TeriAnn hits the nail on the head....... Its all about U.S.Specs.Its simply not economical to modify what is,after all,a nearly fifty year old concept to suit one country.the rest of the world seems content to take it as it is.The Canadians want a bog standard Ninety(or whatever), the workhorse version,but it appears that U.S.Specs rears its ugly head and they cant(Right,Dixon?). By the time you've modified the thing,in relatively small quantities,the price would be so high no one would buy it. So it would die on you anyway. For those that dont know,the standard 90 (rest of the world spec)is a 2.5 300 Tdi diesel,by far the most popular option, hardtop,no side windows.Seats are vinyl,three abreast in the front,of course,otherwise where's the dog going to sit on the way to market with the back full of piglets or whatever. The back is devoid of any signs of being other than a van. No roll cage,no bull bar.Owners of S111 88" machines will find this a familiar litany no doubt.They ought to. There's one on this Campus,light blue,with the name of a fencing contractor signwritten on its side panels,and a damn great trailer hooked up at the back. For my money,the best of the bunch is the 130 crewcab pickup.Room for six in the fourdoor cab *and* a fair sized pickup bed behind that.Tdi,of course. When you compare the two,the U.S.Spec 90 is unbeleivable. To be perfectly honest,and call me reactionary if you like,you're welcome to it!Seems like a very expensive toy to me.Still,whatever turns you on,I suppose,and its certainly an education to see what the old workhorse *can* be turned into. I suspect,also,that the virtual impossibility of fitting the thing with airbags,at any sort of reasonable cost,will have a good deal to do with any withdrawal from the U.S market. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:36:43 +0000 Subject: Re: an aerodynamic "feature" ? On 19 Jul 95, Lloyd Allison wrote: > If you drive along in rain or drizzle, water collects just round > the leading edge of the bonnet somewhere out of sight. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > raining, remember? It's a bit of a shock the first few times that it > happens. My SIII 109 does it too! It might be a function of the Delux bonnet (lipped) v's the standard bonnet (thinner) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:41:47 +0000 Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:25:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Rover sales down 11%... Yeah... Reply-to: Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk Priority: normal On 19 Jul 95, Mike Rooth wrote: > > Diesel's only problems are (1) the smell and (2) the large particulate > > waste product.... > Particulate what? Oh*soot*.Not a waste product,Ian. Exactly! People are told that Diesel is the devils fuel and that leaded petrol burns holes in the atmosphere, so they all use unleaded by preference (except some places where the government has been conned totally and won't let punters buy anything that ain't good for them (unless it's politically dangerous, in which case they hide and make no discission) If manufacurers put as much money into diesel engines as they do into petrol engines, diesel would be excellent - but there ain't the profit in diesel & the image is wrong, so let's keep our profits and sod the rest of you (cynical, not me mate ;-) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: an aerodynamic "feature" ? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 11:36:55 BST > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)] > Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. > <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> My S11A 88 does it,too! Standard bonnet,though. Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Expedition Preparation Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 11:52:47 BST In the first week of August, we are going to totally overhaul our two 109" SIII diesels. Work is to include new springs all round, halfshafts where necessary, seals, bearings, ball joints, steering relays as required, brakes, shocks <can't be bothered to list the rest>. Are there any hints and tips regarding the fitting of revamped or new parts which relate particularly to expedition-type maintenance or prevention of problems? The thing that led me onto this was a query from someone about the possibility of getting heavy grease between the spring leaves before we fit them, in order to increase their life when used in a situation where they will be experiencing a lot of articulation during a relatively short period of time (6 months). I'm not convinced as grease tends to attract and trap dirt which might have just the opposite effect to that desired. Sorry about the nebulous question. All experiences or comments gratefully recieved. All the best, Andy A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 07:50:42 EST Subject: Heated Series Windscreens Just ordered mine from Craddock's, too. Thanks to Tony for posting the info. Voice on the phone said wiring and switches were not part of the kit, but who knows. Quoted 58 sterling -- suppose that reflected subtraction of VAT. A case of "get one while you can." Other than connecting to 12v DC and adding a switch and maybe a dedicated fuse, what else is needed electrically, anyway? Hank ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 23:18:53 +0000 From: First Lastname <First.Last@dept.unimelb.edu.au> Subject: http://mercury.cair.du.edu/~tomills/landrover.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: mtzphil@vax.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:23:28 BST Subject: Mike Rooths anti-science rant Mike Rooth says: > How often for example, have you seen the experimental method published,or,come to that, their controls. If you could be bothered to look up the original sources for scientific findings, you would find the method and controls etc laid out for your delectation as you suggest. The problem is that the non-scientific community (including politicians and journalists) prefers simple shock horror banner headline certainties to the uncertainties and further questions which are always raised by any kind of decent research. The reason any research findings get out at all is that they ARE published in peer-reviewed journals. I^Rm sorry, Mike but researchers are just too busy earnig their livings to ensure that you personally have a copy of every paper published in every scientific journal on the earth (or even in the English language). If you^Rre that interested, get off down to a library and look the damn thing up for yourself. Phil Taylor Univ. Dept. Anaesthesia, Nottingham UK 73 lt/wt 90 Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:49:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Heated Series Windscreens hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com> writes: >Subject: Heated Series Windscreens >Other than connecting to 12v DC and adding a switch and >maybe a dedicated fuse, what else is needed electrically, A blooming big battery! ;-) Best Regards, Steve. ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 20 Jul 95 09:06:34 EDT From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: LR's in Movies... More Some new LR's in movies for the master list: The Fourth Protocol has a Defender (or County) 110 in the beginning. May be military. Also Range Rover later on. Judge Dredd has a modified 101 forward control being used as some kind of a "Taxi with an attitude" Finally, the new Ace Ventura Pet Detective (Sequal) will have about 5 Land Rovers in it, most of which get blown up or otherwise rapidly disassembled through high-speed chemical combustion. Anyone tried to install Gaiters on a US Spec. Defender 90? I have a kit that does not fit and am debating returning it or modifying it to work on the D90. While my swivel balls are nice and shiny, I'd like to get gaiters on it... Anyone tried this? Cheers, R. P. Reid ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:45:17 +0000 Subject: Re: LR's in Movies... More On 20 Jul 95, R. Pierce Reid wrote: > Judge Dredd has a modified 101 forward control being used as some kind of > a "Taxi with an attitude" In the July issue of Knave (or Fiesta or Men Only or one of those ilk), there is a 2-page article on the CityCab - as if it were a real vehicle. It's my opinion that the readers of such comics would probably swallow such a cock-and-bull story as the CityCab being in production in 1995 (and please forgive the intentional puns ;-} ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:29:44 +0100 From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> (by way of cw117@cus.cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: Heated Series Windscreens hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com> writes: >Subject: Heated Series Windscreens >Other than connecting to 12v DC and adding a switch and >maybe a dedicated fuse, what else is needed electrically, A blooming big battery! ;-) In all seriousness, you will probably want to be sure your running an alternator... on a cold, dark, wet night..... the dynamo ain't gonna put out enough for wipers, lights, heater, and windscreen.... it can't quite manage the first three unless it's on TOP form. Charlie (who's made the big 'switch') ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Re: Heated Series Windscreens Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 7:18:17 PDT A couple of batteries, a good heavy duty 24v altenator, a heated fold down window.... what a great yuppie hot plate. This alone could keep the D-90 in the states thu 1999... Russ 94 D-90 91 R-ROver ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Mike Rooths anti-science rant Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 15:27:46 BST Phil, I personally dont give a flying fart.I dont believe most of it anyway.So researchers are too busy earning money?Fine. Exactly the point I was trying to make. Of course the press/politicos misquote,quote out of context etc.I just thought that researchers might be somewhat bothered about the results of their work being distorted in this manner. I was obviously wrong. Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:45:28 -0400 Subject: Re: #2(3) The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest In a message dated 95-07-20 06:24:42 EDT, you write: >An old chestnut I've not seen aired here: >why do L-R drum brakes all (?) squeal and is there any way to [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >stop them? - apart from lubricating with oil! >lloyd I find that if you chamfer the leading edge of the shoes, and make sure the rivets are tight, this should remove the squeel. In other words take a grinder to the brake shoes and change the edge from sharp to angled probably flatter than 45 deg. This has worked for mine. just around a 1/4 to 1/2 " .If you cant tell the leradin edge, then do both ends then it wont squeel in reverse. :>) I only experienced the squeeling when I bought a set of brake shoes from Atlantic British which were factory supplied. The previous bonded linings did not do it. Bob Bernard PS wear a nose guard as you don't want to breath the residue( most likely is asbestos). Bob ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:51:42 -0400 From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Subject: Tuning question. I'm hoping one of the list's mechanically inclined will take a few moments out to help a Rover owner who doesn't have a background in automotive repair. Recently my 2.25 petrol IIa began to stall out at stop lights. I turned the idle up slightly which prevents the stalling, but I've noticed that the car still stutters while idling or during the first moments of acceleration after I let the clutch out. The exhaust fumes themselves are "wet and sooty" Can someone please help me with what this means (or might mean). Should I be adjusting fuel/air mixture? Is this a timing problem? I've got a Zenith carb, and have actually located (with very little help from the Haynes manual) the idle adjustment and what I'm 90% certain is the mixture adjustment. However I have no way of knowing which way to turn the mixture adjustment for richer or leaner, so help on this front would also be appreciated. I feel like these are really basic questions and if anyone can point to a good book on general auto mechanics I'd really appreciate it. I have taken a basic course on maintenence of marine engines so I'm not totally in the dark. I do have a Haynes manual and will be buying a factory manual shortly, but I find that they assume some knowledge that I don't have. (Like when your exhaust is wet and sooty you want to do this...) I'm basically looking for a "quick fix" as the car will be having a full tune up shortly. On the other hand, what better time to get a feeling for "doing it myself" than right before it's due to see a professional who can undo whatever damage my clumsy fingers cause. Regards! == == Jeffrey A. Berg Interactive Telecommunications Program Technical Administrator New York University berg@acf2.nyu.edu ================= Look what happens when you love someone, and they don't love you. --Warren Zevon, The Heartache == == ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:43:46 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest You wrote: >My stage-1 L-R has an interesting aerodynamic "feature". Since >the bonnet (hood) of the 110/90s seems to be the same I wonder [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] >if you've turned off the wipers - because it stopped raining, remember? >It's a bit of a shock the first few times that it happens. >I was just wondering if 110/90s (and other stage 1's) do this too? You bet. In fact, if you cruise along at just the right slowly increasing speed you can accumulate a fair amount of water. My own belief is that this is actually another of those cunning LR chap's design features allowing the vehicle to pressure wash itself in remote areas :) Cheers Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 08:54:55 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: U.S.Specs and Defender In message <199507200929.EAA13930@butler.uk.stratus.com> Mike Rooth writes: > TeriAnn hits the nail on the head....... > Its all about U.S.Specs.Its simply not economical to modify > what is,after all,a nearly fifty year old concept to suit > one country. So maybe Rover should open a factory and design centre in the US. They could manufacture 2 door Range Rovers & Discoveries and engineer a new series Land Rover that carrys on the spirit and looks but can keep its passangers alive from a 50 or 60 MPH side or front impact. If they design it correctly and build it in the US it could sucessfully go head to head with the Jeeps and become a very high volume selling car. The market is huge. You just need the right car at the right cost with a real dealer network. > as it is.The Canadians want a bog standard Ninety(or whatever), > the workhorse version,but it appears that U.S.Specs rears its > ugly head and they cant(Right,Dixon?). Last I heard, Canada was an independant nation with its own governing body capable of making their own regulations. Thier problem is that they are a small market next to a hugh market. > by far the most popular option, > hardtop,no side windows. I thought the no side windows were only popular in the UK and that only because of tax reasons > Seats are vinyl,three abreast in the > front,of course,otherwise where's the dog going to sit on the > way to market with the back full ??? Ever try to fit an Irish Wolfhound in the middle seat of a Land Rover? There is not enough room. I tried it with a large goat once when I had a pickup top on the 109 and it was raining heavily. She kept turning knocking the transmission out of gear and turning off the ignition key. Right afterwards I traded the pickup top for a full safari top. I didn't want to go through that again. The dog in the front seat of course always wants to stick his head out the drivers side window. Sorry the load must be a little smaller and the dog goes in back. TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:57:05 -0400 Subject: Let's keep the D90's coming In a message dated 95-07-20 06:25:46 EDT, you write: >Just my thoughts in case anyone from LRNA or Lode Lane is monitoring this >list! [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >Mill Valley, Ca >89 RR in regards to your thoughts on keeping the D90 around, no-one here could or would argue with you, but IF anyone from LRNA were monitoring this list, or any of the other lists for that matter, they would surely have been working late nights to come up with a solution to put in front of the suits by now. I am of the opinion that the powers at LRNA don't have much regard for the American consumer (but then who does?) after the sale. Since they aren't making the sales they need (do to a tremendous lack of advertising) they are electing to pull out. It would be no problem for a company of their caliber to bring the defenders to US specs, In my opinion, I think these guys are still pissed about that incident with the tea back in Boston, circa 1776. What say we get together and work as a group on a viable solution to their problem, and present it to the powers that be? Anyone interested in trying to preserve an endangered species? I know I've fought for much less important things in my day...(ie.later bedtimes...) Let's use the strength of our numbers to keep something we love alive and well in the US! Hell, we could organize a Rovers-Across-America campaign, or something equally insane to show our support for the marque, plus, we could probably work out a deal where LRNA hooks up the folks responsible for all the Rover Buzz with new D90's of their own, in appreciation for all their hard work! (let's don't hold our breath on that part)) Rover Power to the People! Dan of Rosa dancsc@aol.com 1800.862.7520w 1707.546.4277h 1707.585.0960f ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Nckcharles@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:31:50 -0400 Subject: Re: The comments of Mike Rooth on Ian Smith Mike, thanks for the rebutal of Ian Stuart's recent rant and rave. An American commentator has noted: "that the average American now has more fears than a Medieval peasant". Apparently things are little better in Mother Country. "Junk science" has crossed the pond and has politicized every decision, thus handing ever more power and control to the bureaucrats. The fact that human life spans continue to increase in industrial countries, that these populations are far healthier than people in preindustrial, a.k.a "all-natural, societies, (read: 3rd world ), seems to make no impression on the eco-weenies. For both the Greens and the Socialists, the jury seems always to be out, and no amount of contrary evidence will persuade the true believers. Mr Smith's rant about "fat cat" used cars dealers screwing their innocent victims was remarkable. Let me get this straight, they'll sell you a car that you can resell to the bozos who set up this program and only make 200 quid? Boy that sounds like cruel and unusal punishment to me. (Wait a minute, I think I understand Mr. Stuart's objection, they made a "profit", how declasse' ) I presume he means we should all put in 50 hour work weeks not for profit, but for the "Greater Good". Now where have I heard that before? Whatever happened to capitalist transactions between consenting adults? Perhaps governments will set up programs to help us shop wisely with the money that they haven't already confiscated. Are things so tough in Britian that used car dealers are now considered "fat-cats"? This does not bode well for the Empire. Anyway, just thought you might enjoy a few thoughts from the colonies. " That idea is so dumb, only an intellectual would believe it" G. Orwell Regards to all Nick Land-Rover: "beats bringing back returnable bottles in a shopping cart" ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: U.S.Specs and Defender On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > as it is.The Canadians want a bog standard Ninety(or whatever), > > the workhorse version,but it appears that U.S.Specs rears its > > ugly head and they cant(Right,Dixon?). > Last I heard, Canada was an independant nation with its own governing body > capable of making their own regulations. Thier problem is that they are > a small market next to a hugh market. Land Rover Canada is a wholy owned subsidiary of Land Rover North America... LRCanada asked for a bog standard 90. Got turned down. Doesn't fit with the "LR Lifestyle" they are pushing south of the border. The local dealership had lots of people looking at the D90 (when they had them), but the people saw the price and asked for a used Series vehicle or if they had the cash, paid a bit more and went for the Disco. The new British phlemsucking Leyland is just a marketing front for some brilliant old technology that gets updated regularly (every six months now I think) BTW, as for independent country, picking a date for this independence is tough. Was it 1867 when the British North America act was passed, or 1932 with the Statutes of Westminster which gave Canada the right to conduct external relations without Westminster's approval, or 1949 when court cases could not be appealed to the Privy Council in London, or 1982 when the Constitution was patriated (Westminster was required to approve any constitutional changes, though not all provinces agree with this patriation and not signed on yet)?... The Queen of Canada, who happens to be the Queen of England et al. is still our head of state. In fact, if Chucky every wants to get the throne, it not only requires Westmnister to approve the succession, but the Canadian Parliament also has to approve it (how they got into this I am not sure). Basically were are politically independent, but economically? Not a chance. Rgds, 3 2 1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 09:46:00 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Next question... (Written in "Taylor-ease") FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Next question... (Written in "Taylor-ease") Overwhelming response in favor of a winch 1st, then lockers. (IF you can call about 5 for winch, 1 for lockers an "overwhelming" response...) Like the chewing gum commercial... "5 out of 6 offroaders recommend..." So... Any used Warn 8274's out there??? Anyone??? ?? Anyone use the "receiver hitch" type mount on a Land Rover?? (To allow it to be mounted in front OR rear) ?? Anyone have a winch with single battery and a GENERATOR? (Dynamo, for you folks "across the pond".) ?? Nobody suggested another locker besides ARB, there MUST be others!! Come on! Hey you! Yeah, you! In the UK or Australia... (Hmmm... this is sounding offensive, not intended to be...) What else is available there? (Please provide a phone number and company name.) And the "Taylor" question of the day... "If I hook the hook of a front mounted winch to the rear end, can I shorten my wheel base? Say, turn my "88" into an "80"? #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Next question... (Written in "Taylor-ease") On Thu, 20 Jul 1995 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wrote: > ?? Anyone use the "receiver hitch" type mount on a Land Rover?? > (To allow it to be mounted in front OR rear) Not here that I have ever seen... > ?? Anyone have a winch with single battery and a GENERATOR? > (Dynamo, for you folks "across the pond".) Yup, a few people... Not using electric winches though... > And the "Taylor" question of the day... "If I hook the hook of a front > mounted winch to the rear end, can I shorten my wheel base? Say, turn > my "88" into an "80"? You can try... Seen it done by mistake... :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:33:50 -0700 From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong) Subject: re; 96 defenders... To put the 96 Defender being pulled from the US market in perspective - the Defender may be approaching the end of it's production life PERIOD. I've been told that the Defender takes the most labor to assemble yet is the least expensive Rover - shifting the Def production cap to Discos would appear to be the clever thing to do. So the Def is the LOWEST margin product - fyi the disco takes the fewest labor hours to make - I don't know if Disco or Range Rover is higher margin though... I assume Range Rover sales are okay and Disco sales are superb - the new/proposed rovers look like winners in the marketplace - catering to the mainstream of 4x4 wannabes... my 2 cents john John Hong Haiku Systems Lotus Notes Business Partner Consultant jhong@haiku.com 408-249-8340 ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 18:33:36 +0100 From: cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Charlie Wright) Subject: Re: Next question... At 9:46am 20/7/95, DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wrote: >?? Anyone have a winch with single battery and a GENERATOR? I wouldn't expect it to get me very far. > (Dynamo, for you folks "across the pond".) Many of us (esp. expats) can speak American too. >And the "Taylor" question of the day... "If I hook the hook of a front >mounted winch to the rear end, can I shorten my wheel base? Say, turn >my "88" into an "80"? It should still be an 88", just not linearly. And you may find the hunchback effect decreases your approach and departure angles (and your propshaft is too long) Charlie C. R. Wright Dept. of Genetics +44 (0)1223 333970 telephone Univ. of Cambridge +44 (0)1223 333992 telefax Downing Street, Cambs. cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk CB2 3EH, England ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 10:41 MST From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II) Subject: Re: Winch or Lockers?? Which one first? 1. Should I get a Warn 8274 or ARB locker(s?) first? 1b. Should I get F/R lockers? Or just rear? If you get just a rear locker, I imagine the only thing you would need a winch for is for pulling other people out who got stuck. Especially in Arizona. James Howard 1972 SIII 88 "Ephraim" Flagstaff, Arizona, USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 18:07:02 UT From: Tony Dunmore <lightweight@msn.com> Subject: re: Heated Screens (repost) Apologies if this made it to the list, but it never appeared in my digest, so I've chosen to resend it.... <I wrote:> After a lot of deep thought about the cost, I bought 2 heated front screens from Craddocks for my lightweight at the Billing show last year. I haven't regretted the decision at all. They work really well- the only time I notice their very fine wires is when I'm driving directly towards the sun, and even then the wires don't make visibility significantly worse. I was slightly surprised to discover Land Rover stickers on the packaging for the screens - part number 348428 made by Triplex here in the UK. I don't know if they are supposed to be handed, but I have two of this particular part and had no problems fitting them. At the edges of the windscreen wires with eyelets are grounded to the windscreen frame, and at the central pillar two short blue wires appear with bullet connectors on them. Each screen takes approximately 9 amps of current when heating, so I have to be a little careful when I've got headlights, wipers, heater fan and screen heaters all on at once. When my alternator expires, I will replace it with a higher current one! On my recommendation, a friend has fitted the screens to his IIa - and I've heard no complaints yet! I still carry a cloth to wipe the side windows, the mirrors and the rear plastic screen. Anyone know of a heated rear screen for a softtop? ;-) A.D. (Tony Dunmore) ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Range Rovers lucasisms Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 11:21:51 PDT I have decide to get the R-Rover ready for the trek west. First thing on the agenda was to see if I could get the ABS light to stay off. It only comes on when the car is cold. Thinking that I had a bad connection I crawled under the truck (yes even R-ROver owners do this once in a while) and found one connector loose, the other never was plug in correctly. It seems that they set pinched the connector between the frame, and body during construction and instead of replacing the connector, the just shoved the thing together. I also noticed that the ABS sensor wire were chafing just above the rear diff. I taped over the open casing, and attached it to the brake line. While I was down there I also noticed that one of the suspension bussing atached to the frame was shot. I could move it by hand. I don't think they advertised rear steering as a Rover feature. I still don't have the abs light so it stays off, but should get there soon.... Russ Burns 91 Range ROver... I also would like a wench with knockers for my rovers... 94 D-90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:24:32 +0059 (BST) From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk> Subject: Re: re; 96 defenders... John Hong wrote: > I assume Range Rover sales are okay and Disco sales are superb - the > new/proposed rovers look like winners in the marketplace - catering to the > mainstream of 4x4 wannabes... I still find this a little worrying. It's very hard to cater to the whole market under the same Marque, as we saw in the U.S. with Honda/Acura. In the UK, Acura's are just big Hondas (with H badges and all). They don't sell (partly their size). I've seen about 4 in my 4 years here. Another example is the Cadillac 'Cimmaron'... what a disaster. It was as unreliable and poorly build as any of the other small GM cars, and it even looked cheap. It did nothing but tarnish the Cadillac image. I fear the mutant BMW 3-series may do the same thing. It's very odd. Don't know what to think about a "baby Jaguar"... sounds dubious, unless they can make a new little impractical open-topped sportster... but that doesn't sound like the plan. I worry that competing with the RAV4 and Samauri is a bad idea because Land Rover may find that the Japanese will beat them at the 'cute and clever' (if useless) game or at least the price game (in the U.S. at least). If they have to add gadgets, bells and whistles AND cut the price.... where will the (slightly shaky anyway) build quality go? Admittedly I said the Disco. would die in America, I was very wrong. However, I do think it rode in on the Range-Rover's coat-tails and is staying on its own merit. That's great, but what will a 'cheap' Rover do for/to the others if it's at the expense of practicality/durability? Just thoughts. Charlie ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 14:33:27 -0500 From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu> Subject: Discovery first impressions I picked up my Discovery Coniston green 5 speed last night in Indianapolis and drove the 132 miles home from the dealer. Set off with 17 miles on the car and got 23.0 MPG in 5th gear in cruise control 52-62MPH on the free-way. Gas gauge hardly moved. So that was promising. The car seemed to be well detailed and everything worked. I bought a filter from the dealer for 12.00 to have as a spare. This filter sells at Rover North for 9.00 or case lot 8.00 and seems to have a duplicate in the Fram PH 8A style. I have cloned it to the Deutsch D 539.( 2 for 5.00) I measured the two filters with a vernier caliper and except for overl all length(clone is longer) they look alike.But I will know for sure when I change the oil. Anyhow this one experience with the dealer made me fear going back there. But they were otherwise straight and pleasant and seem to have checked the car carefully. Driving impressions. This car is worlds better than the 90 Trooper I replaced with it. The pedals as Consumer Report says are too close to the left and the dash controls are cryptic. It is in fact easier to reach and adjust the loudness on the radio knob than to press the vol up and vol. down button on the right of the instruments. But the lights are very good, the steering light and pleasant and the gear box very nice. Engine seemed silky and very torquey by comparison to Trooper. I found the driving feel of the car much nicer than the automatic equipped model I had test driven. The temp gauge stayed a bit below half way all the way home on a 80ish night and I did not find that the engine bay seemed excessively hot. The general fit and finish are very good though as some of you have remarked,there are huge door seams, especialy in the fit of the rear door. The driving position and visibility are excellent for a 6 foot man, though the fore to aft space for driver with seat all the way back is a little cramped. This is made up for by the cruise control and the shelf like door edges for leaning left arm and the cubby box for leaning the other arm. The one area that seemes to pose problems is the rear visbility, as several of you have mentioned. The mirror is dinky and with the sun shade down part of it is obscured. The side mirrors are good and full use of them needs to made as well as a good full glance to the right as cars coming up on the right can easily be in your blind spot. Indeed, virtually all below and outside the rear window is blind. The car was a pleasure to drive and has a flat low body sway( at least by comparison to the Trooper) ride which made me question the CR evaluation of its handling. I found it to have more steering feel than Grand Cherokee and to have far less wallow on freeway ramps(which I always took with the brakes on in Trooper) than my previous car People buying these cars will be happy to know that the Ford Cargo or Sterling key blank X170 for 6.00 will work fine. I have no idea what a Rover dealer would get for a spare key blank but would prefer not to find out. Next step is to change the oil and will have a longer report if anyone wants to write privately. Disturbing feature today. I was in traffic and may have bumped the diff. lever slightly in shifting as I suddenly found my self in neutral diff. a couple of times, either it is popping out or I don't have it in solidly. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Otherwise very nice quiet car.You never forget it is a Rover, but it has come a long way since my 65 109 PU. John Friedman ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:53:28 -0700 From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong) Subject: Re: save the D90! Dan wrote: > I was wondering if there are enough people out there who would be >interested in seeing the D90 continue its life in the United States, and if [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >in the US? > I believe we can, but it is a difficult battle to go alone. When I was on the Rover factory tour a couple of months ago (much thanks and credit to Jim Pappas, BSROA Pres, for arranging the best tour yet!) We were shown both the new Range Rover line (4.0??) and the "classic" Range Rover line - the classic was supposed to die but demand was too strong so they kept a smaller line going to make em - the thing is the orders were there - not just the desire. Letter campaigns and appeals won't do it - bucks talk - the rest walk or drive something else... IMHO the only thing that will save the Defender in the US is a bunch of folks lining up at the dealers and saying "gimme one no matter what the price - I only want a defender - don't show me discos or range rovers. I think the market forces have spoken! Personally, I am glad to see the Defender stay a niche vehicle. John "shiny paint is evil" Hong '73 Siii 88! IBEX on order! Lotus Europa in the interim? 101 wannabe! John Hong Haiku Systems Lotus Notes Business Partner Consultant jhong@haiku.com 408-249-8340 ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 13:05:31 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: U.S.Specs and Defender In message <Pine.3.89.9507201208.D20776-0100000@emr1.emr.ca> Dixon Kenner writes: > The Queen of Canada, > who happens to be the Queen of England et al. is still our > head of state. Oh well I guess I was wrong about Canada being an independent nation I guess the British never found your people to be revolting ;*) ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: re; 96 defenders... On the topic of our jolly insightful advice to Lode Lane and LRNA, I guess it behooves us to remember that we are not the ones who are risking millions of pounds or dollars on betting people will buy the product! To give the LRNA folks their due, they seem to have been successful so far at what they are doing, which they have to be to stay in business. I suppose the members of this list are not very representative of their average customers for new vehicles anyway! I just hope they don't lose the distinctive Land Rover emphasis on true off-road ability which separates the breed from the other brands; if they do they will have a much harder time competing on whatever other criteria are left, which are generally ones at which the competition is better. Cheers John Brabyn ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 16:33:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu> Subject: Prices of Land Rovers in US Is it me or have things gotten a bit out of hand in the way of second-hand Rovers. Take for instance an ad in the most recent issue of "Dupont Registry" - a nicely restored military lightweight - price? $52,000!!! Or Atlantic British's most recent newsletter - two Defender 110s for $48,000! What is the deal? Is this good news? Maybe I'll run down to the local dealership and trade in my IIA 88" for the new Range Rover... Frank ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com> Subject: Defender 90 winch Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 14:34:51 PDT Hello, To David Brown asking about the reciever hitch winch. I am very happy with the setup I have for my '94 Defender 90. I bought a Warn 9000Xi winch and use a Warn receiver hitch cradle to put the winch in. I put a quick disconnect battery lead (one side on the winch and one side on the battery, the cable fits nicely inside the battery compartment under the seat). This setup is very flexibly, I can leave the winch inside the back of the truck until I need it, then easily attach it to the reciever and plug the battery cables in. I like this better than the front mount, I had suspension problems with a front mount system on a Totota-4 runner I had , the front end would drop from the extra weight, and the disc brakes would burn because the weight was out in the front of the brakes (At least I figured that). Now maybe the Defender can better handle that, but I did not want to try. Also, someone please correct me, but doesnt it seem to make more sense to have a winch on the back than the front? When I get stuck it seems like I want to go backwards to get to the dry ground I came from, not forward into more muck???, but anyway, if you put a front receiver in, you could put the winch in the front or back, whatever you needed. Leland Roys ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com> Subject: Prices of Land Rovers in US (fwd) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 17:48:56 EDT > Is it me or have things gotten a bit out of hand in the way of > second-hand Rovers. Take for instance an ad in the most recent issue of [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > down to the local dealership and trade in my IIA 88" for the new Range > Rover... FWIW, I know of a D110 that was sold for $38K. It had around 20K miles on the clock. Nothing wrong with it at all (except for the usual rust developments......). IMNSHO, it was a fair price for both the buyer and the seller. Anyone asking $48K should be shot on sight, or at the very least, plunked head first into the nearest mud hole. BUT, if you look further at the ABP newsletter, there are a few people asking semi-reasonable prices for their *older* series rigs....not everyone lives by the "screw thy neighbor" philosophy on life. rd/nigel ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com> Subject: Diff dropping out Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 14:51:04 PDT Hi, To John Friedman regarding the diff popping into neutral on your new Discovery. This seems to be a common problem with brand new rovers, the exact same thing happened to me driving home with my new defender-90, the diff dropped into neutral 3 times on the 15 mile drive home, I would pull over off the freeway, put it back in and then drive on. The good news is that when I got home, I put the truck into reverse and put the clutch in and pulled the diff hard into high 4 weel drive (far right and down) after this, I never had the problem again (Now have 7,600 miles on it). It looks like when new the diff just needs to get worked in, so try to make sure the diff is really locked into position. Also, I noticed you said you drove from Indianapolis, I grew up in Anderson, Indiana about 30 miles north of indy, and drove home on I-69 every day! Have fun. Leland Roys Cupertino California roys@cup.hp.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: a-robw@microsoft.com Subject: RE: Discovery first impressions Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 14:51:00 PDT That was an encouraging report, but I didn't catch your name/e-mail? OBTW, I just ordered my disco today, Here in Seattle they have gobs (well at least 20 or so) of them on the lot. As long as you want a leather interior, there's plenty of selection. (I, unfortunately, want that lovely cloth pattern :-) Thanks for the oil filter warning! -- Bob W. a-robw@microsoft.com ---------- From: LRO-Owner Subject: Discovery first impressions Date: Thursday, July 20, 1995 2:33PM To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net I picked up my Discovery Coniston green 5 speed last night in Indianapolis and drove the 132 miles home from the dealer. Set off <stuff deleted> Disturbing feature today. I was in traffic and may have bumped the diff. lever slightly in shifting as I suddenly found my self in neutral diff. a couple of times, either it is popping out or I don't have it in solidly. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Otherwise very nice quiet car.You never forget it is a Rover, but it has come a long way since my 65 109 PU. ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 18:36:19 PDT From: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk Subject: RE: Heated Series Windscreens The Land Rover heated windscreen kit (part no.601766) contains the following principal parts in addition to the two screens (34828): 142169 - Relay? 55780 - harness 555778 - 2 off switches 560409 - switch label r/h screen 560408 - switch label l/h screen 348689 - auxiliary panel for mounting switches; fits on left of IIA instrument panel 348542 - plate: haven't a clue what this is for! There are also two leads to connect the switches to the screens and various fixings. I hope the above may be of interest to anybody trying to replicate an "original" installation. For a "working" installation it would seem that using two switches is desireable to reduce the load when only one screen is needed and to allow rapid heating by having the screens wired in parallel. The relay is a good idea. I rewired my vehicle last year and have installed a seperately fused (30A) relay controlled primary circuit. The relay is closed when the ignition is on and avoids overloading the ignition switch. I shall power my screens from this source via switches and maybe further relays depending on the current drawn. When I fit them, which probably won't be for a couple of months (we're experiencing something of aheatwave in the UK at the moment!), I'll let you know how I get on. ------------------------------------- Tony Chapman E-mail: Tony@hawtec.demon.co.uk HAWTEC Tel: 01905 723200 Haswell House Fax: 01905 613338 St. Nicholas Street Mobile: 0973 316835 Worcester WR1 1UW Date: 04/22/95 Time: 09:26:25 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:16:01 GMT -0600 Subject: RE: Heated Series Windscreens For those interested in the way to wire the heated windscreens, check the IIA shop manual. My '67 NADA 109 6cyl came w/heated windscreens. They had seperate switches and relays. The wiring diagram is in the manual. Thanks for the P.N.'s, I want to get another set. Tom Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 18:36:20 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Limited slip not in a LR Series IIa. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Limited slip not in a LR Series IIa. Chris, I'm afraid that a limited slip does NOT come with a Land Rover series IIa. (I wish!) I've been trying to find some sort of locker, but the ONLY one that I've found to sell (me to buy) here in the USA is ARB. (Cost of around $1200 US installed to rear.) I am hoping that someone, somewhere knows of another alternative, not that the ARB's are bad, just expen$ive. But, it's only money, ya can't take it with you... Still, I would like to diversify... BTW, Anyone find a better price on a warn 8274 than $740 US. (Complete with rollers and 150' cable.) Warn doesn't make a receiver hitch mount for this winch, so it looks like I buy one for the front AND rear of EACH vehicle?? NOT! I'm FAR too parsimonious! #=====# #========# -------,___ |___|__\___ |___|__|__\___ |--' | | \_|_ | _ | |_ |} | _ | | |_ |} | _ |--+--|_ | "(_)""""(_)" "(_)"""""""(_)" ||_/_\___|__/_\_|} (_) (_) 1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa 1994 Discovery #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: diff locks (again) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:34:26 +0930 (CST) > ?? Nobody suggested another locker besides ARB, there MUST be others!! > Come on! Hey you! Yeah, you! In the UK or Australia... All this shouting is waking me up :-( Its all too much on a friday morning.. David look for J. MacNamara's advert in LRO-Mag, I think they are listed on the Roverweb too (Hi Ray) There are others like Mal Story's Maxi-Drive (Key 4X4 Qld) but I dont have addresses for either to hand.. Check the web sites I'm sure I've seen details there on Diff locks. Macca's do posidrive, lock-right, cabin and external activated selectable lockers (like the Roberts/ARB unit). The Maxi-Drive is a cabin operated selectable locker. -- Daryl 3 2 1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:35:59 +0930 From: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au (Tiffany Downing) Subject: Prices for 2nd Hand Landies >FWIW, I know of a D110 that was sold for $38K. It had around 20K miles >on the clock. Nothing wrong with it at all (except for the usual >rust developments......). IMNSHO, it was a fair price for both the >buyer and the seller. Does anyone have a vague idea what $38K is an Australian Dollars. We are selling our IIA and buying (hopefully) a County (Can't afford a Discovery yet) :-( Not that it helps us any but I was just interested in what sort of prices vehicles sell for in the States and what their equivalent price is over here. We're planning to ask for $5,000 for our Series IIA, LWB, Ex-Army. What sort of prices to they sell for over there? TTFN :-) Tiffany Downing ******************************************** Co-ordinator, International Student Programs TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA Phone: (61 8) 226 3202 Fax: (61 8) 226 3655 E-Mail: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au ******************************************** ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Prices for 2nd Hand Landies Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:47:37 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> In message <199507210208.VAA15779@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: > Does anyone have a vague idea what $38K is an Australian Dollars. We are > selling our IIA and buying (hopefully) a County (Can't afford a Discovery > yet) :-( No idea. I think AUS$ are less than US$. Discos here are about $30k to $32k US. > We're planning to ask for $5,000 for our Series IIA, LWB, Ex-Army. What > sort of prices to they sell for over there? If in good condition about double that (in US$) -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 3 2 1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Limited slip not in a LR Series IIa. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:36:01 +0930 (CST) > I'm afraid that a limited slip does NOT come with a Land Rover series > IIa. (I wish!) David MacNamara's OZ (see adds in LRO) does offer a PosiTrac slipper for the rover type diff. ~$2100 AUD ISTR (~$1K US) I can find the address for them if you cant. The cheapest way out would be one of their externally operated lockers. One axle has a bloody great bolt in the end.. Remove the bolt for diff lock, replace if for normal diff operation.. Crude but very effective... -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) 2 1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re:positrac price... Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:41:46 +0930 (CST) Ooops converted from banana dollars to UK pounds. should be ~$1600US.... oh well daryl ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Robb Report article From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 21:27:31 -0500 Does any one have a second copy oif the robb report with the lightweight in it from July issue, an original extra magazine that is/ Robin -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Down under club From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 21:31:11 -0500 Cant be a member if you dont have a Land Rover or part of one in the biggest Oz club....... Yuk. -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: cache of toys From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 21:23:36 -0500 For those of you who like the reduced rovers, I got a call last night offering me a chaps collection of 42 toy Land Rovers, he asked if i wanted them. I know the chap and said sure , sight unseen over the phone. Will be pickiing them up next month some time. I know he has some nice stuff in there, cant wait. Now I have to scape the readies together. ttfn Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Down under club Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:39:06 +0930 (CST) > Cant be a member if you dont have a Land Rover or part of one in the > biggest Oz club....... Yuk. > -- > Robin Robin we are not the bigest land-rover club just the biggest Land-rover only club. There are some historical reasons for requiring ownership.. The reason for requiring ownership.... Rover never officially pulled out of OZ (although Jag. Rover Aust. went bust leaving a lot of people out of pocket) But they lost a heap of market share and respect during the time of BpL. One year pre disco only 20 something non military land-rovers (110's) were sold australia wide during the whole year..... As a consequence there are lots of "land-Rover" clubs where ownership of a solihull product is unheard of and even laughed at. I asked about joining "the land-rover owners club of the NT" in 1987 and was told that they had not had a land-rover in the club for 10 years and that I wouldnt be welcome on trips as "those old heaps are too slow".... Clubs like the LRRSA (and the new LRRV) are a response by true believers to this situation. Now whilst ownership is constitutionally required I'm sure that in your case the committee would approve associate membership... Ownership is really just meant to insure dedication to the breed... Not too many people would question your dedication.. Hey remember some of your toys probably cost more than a running (just) land-rover over here. :-) cheers -- Daryl 3 2 1 ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 23:03:24 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: 1 slab = 22.5 banana dollars Daryl "Hard Case" Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>, defender of the lost realm, previously wrote: TD: If anyone is interested in joining, the fee is $45 Australian dollars MC: How much is that in real money?? DW: About two slabs........ TD: Yeah!! You tell em Darryl. then later.... TD: Does anyone have a vague idea what $38K is an Australian Dollars. We are selling our IIA and buying (hopefully) a County. Geeee Tiffany, according to Daryl, US$38K is about 2,314 slabs. DW: Ooops converted from banana dollars to UK pounds. should be ~$1600US.... Or as in another one of Daryl's obtuse examples, US$1,600 is about 2,192 banana dollars (or whatever you use down there for currency these days). ---Michael "Smegging Foreign Rubbish" Carradine Somewhere on the Left Coast, USA. cs@crl.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: 1 slab is ~ $22.50 banana dollars! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:24:37 +0930 (CST) > Daryl "Hard Case" Webb More like Half case > Geeee Tiffany, according to Daryl, US$38K is about 2,314 slabs. Crikey you mean if I give up drinking for Uuum.. ~45 years the money I save will buy me a new D110,, I'd never thought of it like that. I wonder how it converts to Iced coffee..... Of course this doesnt take into account the fact that 1 slab of beer will always "buy" more than and equivalent amount of cash... > US$1,600 is about 2,192 banana dollars (or whatever you use down there for currency these days). Sorry banana dollar is one of those "obtuse" ( as opposed to equilateral I spose (g)) local references to a rather infamous "banana replublic" speech by ex-treasurer, now prime minister Paul (I like old french clocks) Keating. > ---Michael "Smegging Foreign Rubbish" Carradine Aka Mike of Mog ??? Oh now Mike dont be like that. Hey do you know that the next generation OZ military GP vehicle the "foxhound" is likely to be based on a Unimog... True. I bet that cheers you up... If I can find any details I'll let you know. Hey Its friday, Its raining, my land-rover is sick and I left my nomex at home, Be nice to me :-) -- Daryl ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:42:54 +0930 From: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au (Tiffany Downing) Subject: Iced Coffee Well you know how the saying goes Darryl... It's a Farmers Union Iced Coffee or its Nothing!!! :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950721 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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