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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:49:50 +0000
Subject:       Re: Costs of 2nd hand 90's and Jeep Wranglers in UK

> buy a 2nd hand 90 or Jeep Wrangler over there. Can anyone give me
> some typical prices for these vehicles. I'd be looking for low
> mileage and 89 or newer.

This could be somewhat expensive - 5K +/- 1K for a 90 (it'll almost 
certainly be diesel)

> Is a NAS 90 available in the UK? I'd love one to park besides my 55 
> series 1.
Nope - not unless you are LandRover, or you import it from the US.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 05:05:11 -0400
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          Wed, 12 Jul 95 10:04:15 bst
From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Clanking 1st gear
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 10:04:14 BST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0 (LUT)]

> Just wanted to let you know. I just got my '94 defender back from its
[snip]
> (I not up on this type of thing so I bought that). The noise is actually 
> louder than ever now, but if the service guy says so.....

Get it in writing...   ;-)

All the best,

Andy

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: increasing turbo longevity
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 10:11:33 BST

> Your timing, exhaust pressures and all kinds of other stuff will be out
> but the engine should still run with the appropriate adjustments.

Oops!  Mistake here.  The timing will be OK - I meant to say max.
fuel delivery will be too high for a non-turbo engine.  Easy on
the throttle.

> Just my thoughts... I only have experiance of turbos on Perkins biggish
                                        ^
                                        e

All the best,

Andy
 

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Swivel Balls
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 07:39:00 DST

Like Andy Woodward, I used epoxy compound to fill pits in my swivel balls. I 
used Devcon Titanium Putty, then painted the whole surface after bead 
blasting with Petits Hobbypoxy two part paint. I now have attractive french 
blue balls but you can't see them as they are wrapped in leather gaiters.

Trevor Easton and Miss Golightly

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Date: 12 Jul 95 08:03:39 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Gearbox weight

> ...  Repair time isn't a problem, but do the casings crack?.

Never heard of such an incident.

> Are SIII and SII transfer 'boxes completely the same internally?

No, in fact they're quite different internally. Only externally they're
practically identical (except the very old S.II boxes with top filling
opening and dipstick).

As for the actual weight, it is such that I can just about carry it around
with a lot of moaning and groaning. As my carrying capacity generally lies
at around 100 kg, I infer the gearbox weighing thereabouts, give our take
a few milligramms :-)   ...never actually weighed it, though.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Subject: models
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 20:37:30 -0500

The OVLR internet access sluice gate just opened and I was flooded with 
reponses to posting a model listing on the FAQ.

Alot of closet model makers perhaps?

Ok, I"ll put this in hand and we should see something by the end of 
September, Hey I'm a realist about my time!

TTFN

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:40:55 +0200
From: terje@tvnorge.no (Terje Krogdahl)
Subject: Re: Gearbox weight

>> ...  Repair time isn't a problem, but do the casings crack?.
>Never heard of such an incident.

Happened to a guy here in Norway a couple of years ago... His transfer box
casing cracked during offroading. I don't know the exact details, but I 
believe the only thing that kept it from disintegrating was the gears 
themselves.

Terje K.
terje@tvnorge.no
http://www.tvnorge.no/~terje/index.e.html

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:38:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Koenig Winch

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995 JCassidyiv@aol.com wrote:

>        My new questions on this winch are; 1.)  The front mounting brace(it
> appears original) is wider than the internal frame measurements-did it sit on
> top of the frame and if so, how?  The rear mounting bracket is slightly less
> wide than the internal frame dimensions-does it mount down inside the frame?

	If the PTO version, it sits between the front frame rails/below
	more or less.  Crank version sits on top of the bumper, but
	rear part of the original mounting plate does fit between the
	front frame rails.  (Has two large bolts with hooks on them to
	bolt to the frame)

>   2.)  The shaft looks as though it will mount to the front PTO output-are
> there any special fittings I will need.  The shaft had been elongated for the
> Jeep.

	Yes, possible.  Which version?

>    If anyone has a picture/drawings of the winch, please E-mail me direct
> with details-I'll galdly pay postage and developing/photocopying fees as I
> currently have no info on this piece of equipment.

	<argh>  I just moved this last week.  The operating & parts manuals
	for both the crank & pto versions are buried in a mountain of 
	shit right now...

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:10:56 GMT -0600
Subject:       truncated messages

Dixon Kenner's message about winches got truncated at
>"...a mountain of......"
is anyone else having this problem? ie.Is it the Major or my reader?
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: srbrown@sair020.energylan.sandia.gov
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:31:24 -0600
Subject: 88 Rangerover Stalling

Here I go with another problem on my 1988 Rangerover! 

My temperature gage going off scale is apparently a malfunctioning
sensor, I got a type K thermocouple and put it both in the coolant and
on the engine block and it always reads < 80C. Of course the exhaust
manifold is HOT! I'm replacing the thermostat and flushing the
radiator in a couple of days just to be sure. My flaky tachometer --
malfunctioning simultaneously with the battery charge light stopped
completely and mysteriously two months ago!

Here's something else quite irritating!

My 88 Rangerover stalls occasionally when I come to a quick slow down,
for example when I turn to go into my driveway and hit the brakes a
bit and turn -- the engine stalls. It happened when I made a straight
(no turn) abrupt slow down while pulling off of the road last
night. It starts right up with no problems. It happens quite often,
and the engine is always warm when it happens. By the way, this has
been happening long before any temperature gage problems. I recently
read a thread about revving problems and someone mentioned a stepper
motor gizmo which varies the air bypassing the throttle butterfly
valve at idle -- apparently acting up (sticking) when the thing gets
dusty. I live on a dirt road -- could that be my problem?

Where is that stepper motor exactly? I'd like to see if it needs
lubrication. 

Any other suggestions???

??? My 1963 IIa seems more reliable these days ??? I've even got most
of the oil leaks stopped for a while! I took off the top of the doors,
tightened up the back hatch, and put recycled rubber "parquet" doormats
from Walmart front and back and it is even relatively quiet and not so
hot on the feet.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 /==============\
 | `63  |  IIa  |          Stephen Brown
 |______|_______| 	   Geomechanics Department, MS-0751
 /___/^^^^^^\___\9	   Sandia National Laboratories
 |oo|(@)##(@)|oo|	   Albuquerque, New Mexico 87185
 |  | [####] |  |
 ======%%%%======	   email: srbrown@sandia.gov
 {*}={&&}====={*}
 {*}          {*}          RockNet: http://sair019.energylan.sandia.gov:70
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:50:33 +0200
From: dbeers@eu.wang.com (David Beers)
Subject: Re: truncated messages

>Dixon Kenner's message about winches got truncated at
>>"...a mountain of......"
>is anyone else having this problem? ie.Is it the Major or my reader?
>Tom

I also sometimes receive messages that end abruptly, including the one you 
refer to.  I am using both the mailx reader and also the elm reader as well. 
 Both give the same truncation.  I am wondering if maybe one of the 
characters in the message is being interpreted as an end-of-file marker?

[five minutes later...]

I just forwarded the message to a co-worker who uses a non-unix reader, and 
the message still appears truncated.

Could be the Major?

Regards,
David

David Beers                      1989 Land Rover 90 TD HT
Wang Europe
Brussels, Belgium
Email dbeers@eu.wang.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 08:40:46 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Koenig Winch

In message <199507120220.VAA28722@butler.uk.stratus.com>  writes:

> Well, I went and bought the Koenig winch from my neighbor. 

Is this the same winch Vance has??  If it is you want to contact him about 
mounting it.  He put his on recently and did an A#1 instillation job.

Unfortunatly word is that Vance (vance@xnet.ssl.Berkeley.Edu) has been having 
connection problems recently and may not be able to read his mail.  Sorry, I do 
not have his phone number.  But if it is the same type as his you REALLY should 
get in touch with him.

TeriAnn Wakeman              .sig closed for remodeling
twakeman@apple.com         
              
                         
                       

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:07:17 -0400
Subject: Clutch replacement for IIA

David Brown asked about chev clutch fitting,,
Hi, I got my clutch through a local American part place,not NAPA or Big A.
They were from A 1 Clutch components California.
Rebuilt,But fine for 7 years now. I recently had a friend at Big A check and
they are still in business. prices around $30 and $40 but I didnt write it
down
pressure plate P/N X47348
disk P/N is P48348
They are on my 65/69 88 and have gone through Sierra Trek twice which
is Donner Pass the hard way (9 miles of boulders) and still engage smoothly 
with no shudder/judder/jumpy starts.
Hope this helps.

Bob Bernard
LROA/NA Membership
Paradise, CA

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From: mtzphil@vax.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:09:16 BST
Subject: Discovery

Gerry Elam asks about Discovery reliability. I own a 1990 (very early) carb V8 disco 
which I^Rve had for 15 months now, with 82k miles on the clock (I put on the last 17k). 
The only parts I^Rve needed are a new fuel pump (but this is different to the EFI one 
anyway, and incidentally *much* more expensive) and a new front propshaft (worn at 
the splined joint). This wasn^Rt too expensive as it^Rs the same part as the RR and 90/110 
V8, and it^Rs an easy home fix. I^Rve also rebushed the suspension with a Polybush kit, 
and fitted Gabriel gas shocks, both of which sharpened up the handling no end (mine is 
a pre anti roll bar model). The only thing which actually stopped the car was the fuel 
pump failure, and it currently runs beautifully, though a new steering damper is on the 
shopping list. The thing to bear in mind however is that my motor has a full service 
history. Regular oil changes are *essential* for the V8, if the hydraulic tappets sludge 
up the camshaft starts to wear and then you^Rre in for major expense. I have my 
servicing done by an independent LR specialist (Lovell^Rs Landrovers Lincoln 01522 
500361 for those of you in the area, plug plug, and Eddie Lovell is an *enthusiastic* 
off roader himself), this works out at about one third the cost of a main dealer, and I 
can be sure the work^Rs been done.

The first place to go scabby on the body are the bottom corners of the tailgate, 
otherwise chassis/mechanicals are essentially RR.

Phil Taylor, Univ. Dept. Anaesthesia, Nottingham, UK
(1990 Disco V8, 1973 Lt/wt)

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: truncated messages
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:19:30 EDT

> Dixon Kenner's message about winches got truncated at
> >"...a mountain of......"
> is anyone else having this problem? ie.Is it the Major or my reader?

I have this problem with EVERY message I receive from lro@team.net.
The last line is ALWAYS lost.  Sometimes in "reply mode" I can actually
see the last line, but not always.

TerriAnn's messages are even worse....nearly every line gets
garbled, but I am not sure if it is her typing skills or the Lucas
spell checker she uses.

rd/nigel

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Clutch replacement for IIA
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:48:06 EDT

> David Brown asked about chev clutch fitting,,
> Hi, I got my clutch through a local American part place,not NAPA or Big A.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> pressure plate P/N X47348
> disk P/N is P48348

This fit a 9" finger type pressure plate or the 9.5 " "disc" type plates?

Don't forget that when you buy a pressure plate from a Rover bits supplier
it will probably come as an assembly and NOT just as the plate itself....
so don't be fooled by the cheaper prices (cause it'll cost you to have the
thing installed unless you are willing to wrestle with it yourself).

Oh, and the 9.5" "disc"-actuated type of plate is definately the preferred
route to go.

rd/nigel

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:22:14
From: Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Spray-in decoke

I use this trick all the time, with a plant sprayer full of old ATF.
I usually use about half-a-sprayerful to an engine.

I've done it on my road car, my Rangie, and dozens of nasty 
clogged up old tractors. On a badly maintained diesel tractor
with choked-up injectors the difference is immediate and 
impressive.

It doesn't work well on diesels with "normal" long-term coking. 
Diesels tend to coke up more on their rings than around their 
valves, and although this trickwill still shift carbon from the 
valves it doesn't unstick the rings.

As I only use a fine mist, not pouring it down, I have no qualms
about hydraulic lock in the cylinders.

-- 
Andy Dingley                                      dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk                                          

     Speed kills, but Bull Bars enable you to kill at lower speeds

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:50:55 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Clutch replacement for IIA

> Don't forget that when you buy a pressure plate from a Rover bits supplier
> it will probably come as an assembly and NOT just as the plate itself....
> so don't be fooled by the cheaper prices (cause it'll cost you to have the
> thing installed unless you are willing to wrestle with it yourself).

What do you mean by an "assembly"? Every clutch I've ever bought, the 
pressure plate  and driven plate come seperately. Or are you refering to the 
pressure plate and it's cover being sold seperately? Actually haven't seen 
that, but I guess if you specified, you might be able to get it that way, but 
I don't really know why you would want to.

On another clutch topic, if you want to put a really heavy duty clutch on 
you LR, a Jag clutch will sort of match up. You'd have to drill your 
flywheel, but the splines match and the height is right. It's an 11" coil 
spring type, very hefty.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:46:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: D90 clanking; Frame maintenance-undercoating?'s

In response to comment about D90 clanking sound when applying the clutch 
pedal in 1st gear, my '94 D90 (18k miles) does it (sounds like "slack" or 
"slop" in the drive train to me) and it happens when I clutch from other 
gears, too. Most evident in 1st or Reverse. The Seattle dealership said 
its "normal." A few weeks ago, the Seattle dealer gave an off-road 
outing/barbeque for D90/RR/Discovery customers at an ORV park {lots of 
fun with advice from Camel Trophy team for those of us who tend to get 
stuck more often in traffic than in bottemless mudholes}. Anyway, at the 
top of a steep climb, when stopping before descending, my D90 would 
"clank," then those behind me would each clank in turn as they went 
through the same manuever. I can't say for sure if it is normal, but it 
sure seems *common*.
Mine also gives a short growl from the steering when turning the steering 
wheel right after starting up (as when backing out of a parking stall). 
Its done that since I bought it. The LR service manager said it was from 
the power steering pump: that a hose discharged onto a gear to cause the 
growl and that he had seen the same with some RRs. He said that the pump 
could be replaced (under warranty) but that the problem wasn't serious 
(just a noise). He left the dealership and the service people replaced 
steering box (not the pump). The noise persists, but hasn't changed 
during the 1 1/2 years. I hope it is "just a noise".

In response to the "waxoil" info, Rovers North (Autumn,'94) Newsletter 
recommends renewing the undercoating on the D90 chassis annually. What do 
you use as "undercoating" and how is it applied? Given the awful 
reputation of the "rustproofing" franchaises that flourished in the US in 
the '70's, is there any good commericial "undercoating" company or is it 
better to do it yourself? Also, what is "POR-15".

Thanks in advance for your comments!
David Rosenbaum
'94 D90
('66 Scout, '55 Chev, 5 Bicycles)

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From: Nckcharles@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:02:12 -0400
Subject: Re: K&N Air Filters, Plug Wires

Is anyone familiar with K&N air fitlers for the Land Rover Discovery?
Will they improve mileage or performance significantly?
Also, Autoweek magazine has been featuring a high performance
plug wires in an ad for the last several issues. The company "claims"
Up to a 10% performance improvement, and up to 20% mileage
improvement. The wires are solid core 9mm with RF suppressors attached.
These claims seem a little x-teme to me and the wires are x-pensive (US$350.)
If anyone has had experience with these or similar products I love to know.
Thanks in advance.
Nick Charles
     Land Rover Discovery- Still cheaper to maintain than a Bell Jet Ranger,
                                                           and slower too.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:50 MST
From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II)
Subject: Drafting

I experienced some aerodynamic effects today.

I got on the interstate this morning near my house, headed west.  From
the end of the on ramp for about a mile, the road climbs steadily, and
I am not able to accelerate past 50 mph.  This morning, just as I
pulled on, a tractor trailer passed me going 60.  I was able to get in
his wake, and climb the hill at 60.  I had to hold back, too, to keep
from tailgating him.  

James Howard
1972 SIII 88	Flagstaff, Arizona, USA

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Clutch replacement for IIA 
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 16:01:20 EDT

> > Don't forget that when you buy a pressure plate from a Rover bits supplier
> > it will probably come as an assembly and NOT just as the plate itself....
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> that, but I guess if you specified, you might be able to get it that way, but 
> I don't really know why you would want to.

By "assembly" I meant the pressure plate, the "disk" (or springs, in the
case of the 3-fingered types), the "housing" for the pressure plate,
and everything else EXCEPT the driven (friction) plate (and the flywheel,
of course).  If getting a pressure plate from an outside supplier,
and if the price seems too good to pass up, just make sure it comes
with all the rest of the bits, that's all, and not just the plate
itself (for which you will have to go through the hassles of 
installing it).

call me a skeptic,
I am.
rd/nigel

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Date: 12 Jul 95 15:59:57 EDT
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Clicking and Clutch

Andrew.. head clicking after fitting.. try checking the tappet clearances again,
it is easy for the push rod to catch on the side of the tappet block when
initially fitting, then after running to popinto place, this results in
excessive tappet clearance and clicking!!

 David Brown  clutch offset, have you mixed up your metric dimensions, 10 cm of
offset is nearly 4 inches, the shaft will not permit this, if it is 10 mm you
might get away with it, just ensure that there is clearance inside the cover and
think about allowance for wear.

 Just heard from from the boss, Bill,  he is Stateside for a few days and does
not have a modem at his folks house.
  
 Regards  Bill Leacock    Limey in exile. 

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From: hval@research.IntNet.net
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 16:06:09 PDT
Subject: $urvey Answers Sought from LRO's

I would like to present a unique opportunity for you to influence the 
introduction of a new offroad accessory, and make a quick buck at the same 
time.

I'm Russ Hval, and I work for Ducker Research, a marketing research firm in 
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.  We're doing a study for a large company that is 
bringing a new halogen lamp to market.  The primary objective of the study is 
to determine the relative importance of product attributes as perceived by 
off-road/rough-road enthusiasts.

If you're interested, please email me.  I'll send you a short (10 question) 
survey to edit and return.  In appreciation, we'll send you $10 cash within 2 
working days.

Thanks a lot,
Russ Hval

email: hval@research.intnet.net

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hval@research.IntNet.net
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Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:46:13 U
From: "Sean McInerney" <smcinerney@mail.nrgn.com>
Subject: 101"FC Axles

  REGARDING           101"FC Axles
I have a few questions (probably for UK LROs) about the hubs, axles, and
brakes on 101" Forward Control Land Rovers.  Does anyone have their parts
catalog and shop manual handy?.......

1.  What is the track width hub-to hub?
2.  What is the width between the leaf-spring mountings?
3.  Do these axle housings contain Salisbury 24-spline axles and
differentials?  Are the halfshafts simply longer than for the 109"?
4.  If yes to #3, except for the 6-stud hubs, are the driving members, axle
bearing shafts (tubes) and bearings the same as for earlier leaf sprung
vehicles?  Does the 101"FC also make use of the same swivel balls, swivel
housings, and steering relay as earlier vehicles, albeit with a longer track
rod and drag link?
5.  Does the 101"FC share springs with the 109" 1-ton?
6.  Brakes....Does the 101"FC share its drums, backing plates, wheel
cylinders, and master cylinder (servo?) with any other vehicle.....perhaps,
the 109" V6 or V8.  If not, how big are they?

Sean C. McInerney
1963 IIa 88" HT
"Friends call it 'The Beast'.....but everyone seems to call them that!"

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 16:17:24 EDT
From: tonyb@ejv.com (Tony Bromberg)
Subject: Range Rover front brush bars

Hi everyone.

I've been looking at aftermarket brush bars for a Range Rover.
Which bars can you recommend, from Atlantic British, Rover's North,
DAP or Range Rover OEM (the one with a dip in the middle).
Maybe some one is looking to sell theirs?
I'm open to suggestions.

And how can I get them shipped to me for less than $140, I'm in NYC.

Thanks
Tony B

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:34:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: gearboxes

*I* am not risking life and limb here..but..the "normal" failures in the 
gearbox (both series) tend to the "I'm gunna give ya trouble on every 
shift" rather than the "OH! you want to move *forward?!?" type...the 
countershft (layshaft) can break and leave you with only high gear (both 
high and low range tho...a *2* speed!)
Chancge the oil in all units and check for debris and such..if no 
itty-bitty parts are in the oil and they function properly, (like no 
hopping out of 2nd on the overrun) I'd say short of a full teardown on 
all vehicle you should make it home...leave the extra 'box in a crate to 
have friends and family ship it out as a last resort....see Tom's note on 
weight/failure connection...

good road

steve....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
                                           PO Box 296
                                           Fulton, New York USA 
                                                      13069

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:52:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: turbo snorkles et al

If the turbo fails it is very likley that the wee bits will be imbedded 
in the crowns of the pistons if not found in a puddle of smoking oil on 
the roadway...however if the turbo is removed and the oil feed and drain 
lines plugged, the intake and exhaust routed correctly (perhaps by 
replacing only the housing with the guts removed) the engine will run 
purfetly well in the normally apiriated mode....the extra fuel is added 
buy the pump only under boost...there is an aneroid on the top of the 
pump to account for the increased manifold pressure...no pressure? no 
more fuel..instant NA diesel.....had a customer with a Audi 2.0 
diesel...the line from the manifold to the pump was off...she ran it that 
way for 2 years...no power...but no other problems...

the lack of restriction on the new air cleaner (or maybe it's got more?) 
will upset the mixture...but in your case it seems that it has 
*corrected* the mixture a vacuum gauge hooked between the air filter and 
the carb would tell the tale......

steve...

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
                                           PO Box 296
                                           Fulton, New York USA 
                                                      13069

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:31:56 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: snip; Frame maintenance-undercoating?'s

David Rosenbaum writes:
> In response to the "waxoil" info, Rovers North (Autumn,'94) Newsletter 
> recommends renewing the undercoating on the D90 chassis annually. What do 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> '94 D90
> ('66 Scout, '55 Chev, 5 Bicycles)

David, what's popular in VT is bar & chain oil. Warmed slightly and sprayed 
underneath it makes an effective rust preventative. It's messy, but it does a 
good job. It's sticky enough that it adhers well. Idealy, clean the 
underside, let it dry, oil it, then drive in the dirt. The dirt should be a 
place where they don't spread salt. Watch out, in some parts of the US they 
use salt in the summer to keep down dust on dirt roads. Don't use used engine 
oil as some outfits do. It has corrosive engine residue.
I should say that the good places use bar oil, and also drill holes in the 
door posts etc. and put it in there too.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:53:53 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: turbo snorkles et al

Steve Denis wrote:
> the roadway...however if the turbo is removed and the oil feed and drain 
> lines plugged, the intake and exhaust routed correctly (perhaps by 
> replacing only the housing with the guts removed) the engine will run 
> purfetly well in the normally apiriated mode....the extra fuel is added 

I think it would be worth a try, but I wonder about the opening from the 
exhaust side to the intake side. I thought about this in my first reply, but 
was concerned about that. You'd get some exhaust going into thte intake, but 
that shouldn't be a problem. Of more concern to me would be sucking cold 
intake air into the exhaust on deceleration. I know diesels don't create much 
vacuum at that point, unless you have a Jake Brake ,(actually not even then I 
guess). That was my main concern. I suppose you could plug the hole, on the 
exhaust side only, with a wooden plug you've fashioned with your trusty Swiss 
Army knife, but again, I'm concerned, that it would eventually char away.
But, if you're in the outback and no other way home most anything is worth a 
try. Maybe you idea, Steve, about the gearbox would apply. Keep one at a 
friends, ready to ship. What are your thoughts on the open passage through the 
housing? I haven't tried running a turbo like that so this is all theory.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Gearbox weight (fwd)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 18:12:01 EDT

> > Are SIII and SII transfer 'boxes completely the same internally?
> No, in fact they're quite different internally. Only externally they're
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> at around 100 kg, I infer the gearbox weighing thereabouts, give our take
> a few milligramms :-)   ...never actually weighed it, though.

Re gearbox weight.....'tis all in the gears.....the casing weighs next
to nothing.....keep it complete and neat and it won't be slopping all
about your rear box.

which shim?,
what gear?,
dis shaft?,

rd/nigel

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From: rarm@lanl.gov
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:54:06 -0700

need diesel defender 110. i live in usa, so i must import. anyone have any
ideas how to go about this?
thanks.

robert

____________________________
robert matzner
cst-4
msc345
los alamos national laboratory
los alamos, nm 87545
(505)667-7952
fax:(505)665-3166
rarm@lanl.gov
_____________________________

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 09:37:23 +0930
From: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au (Tiffany Downing)
Subject: RE: Gearboxes

>>> ...  Repair time isn't a problem, but do the casings crack?.
>>Never heard of such an incident.

After buying a reconditioned (ex-army) gearbox, bolting it onto our Vehicle 
(Series IIA) and driving around for a day or two we found it continually 
leaked (a typically British vehicle - oil dripping everywhere). After 
examining it we found that it had a hairline split running almost the length 
of the face of it (Not in a straight line though).  Needless to say we took 
it back but it shows that it can happen.  Sorry I can't help by telling you 
how it happened. It was ex-army maybe they were a bit rought on it???!!  :-)

Tiffany Downing
Co-ordinator, International Student Program
TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA
Phone:  (61 8) 226 3202
Fax:    (61 8) 226 3655
E-Mail: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 17:23:36 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: dreaming

In message <199507122348.SAA00771@butler.uk.stratus.com>  writes:
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> need diesel defender 110. i live in usa, so i must import. anyone have any
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> thanks.
> robert

1) Move out of North America

2) Purchase one of the 300 US spec 110 four doors, 
   install diesel and swap V8 back each time you need to take 
   SMOG test

3) Become citizen of a different country, get a work visa and bring 
   it in as a temporary import

4) Purchase a pre-SMOG 109, get it registered and rebuild it using 
   all new 110 diesel parts

5)  Convience the Feds to change their regulations

6) convience Rover to create and import US spec 110 diesels

7)  Purchase the car you want but go outside the US to visit it

8) Decide that you really wanted a US spec Defender 90 with petrol 
   V8 instead

9) Decide that you really wanted a pre -1968 109

10) just day dream about having one

TeriAnn Wakeman              .sig closed for remodeling
twakeman@apple.com         
              
                         
                       

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 18:17:36 PDT
Subject: Re: 	`95 4.0 SE RECALL

There is a voluntary recall program recently implemented which affects the 
U.S. 4.0 SE and a possible brake hose/fitting failure on one particular hose.

At this point, NO 4.0 SE's delivered (at least from Metro West) have 
experienced a failure of the affected part. It IS a short fix as far as time 
is concerned.

All owners of the involved vehicles are being notified to arrange a service as 
soon as is practicable.

The recall does NOT involve 1995 Range Rover LWB's or Classic models.

cheerz
Jim - now completely mad... and loving it!

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:58:56 +0930
From: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au (Tiffany Downing)
Subject: Steering Wheel Oil

Thanks to the person who brightened up my day with the Tale of the Steering 
Wheel Oil.  I am a member of the Land Rover Register of South Australia 
(Inc.) and I know that our club members would really enjoy the story.  I've 
left it at home so I can't remember who wrote it, but would you mind if I 
reprinted it for our club magazine.  I'll even send you a copy of the 
magazine if you like so you can show everyone you're famous.

Our next Committee meeting is Monday 17th July and all articles for the 
magazine need to be in at that meeting.  Could you leave a message for me to 
let me know if it is alright.

Thanks!!!

Tiffany Downing
Co-ordinator, International Students Program
TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA
Phone:  (61 8) 226 3202
Fax:    (61 8) 226 3655
E-Mail: tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 00:42:06
From: Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Lightweight front propshaft

A friend has a IIA lightweight LandRover (military airportable) with a 
V8 conversion. I knew he was having front propshaft problems with worn 
splines. When I found myself in LR Supermarket in Liverpool recently, I 
saw that they had a clearance deal on brand new military propshafts, so 
I picked one up. Now we've found the thing doesn't fit - it's an inch 
or so too short. Does anyone know if Series IIA & III lightweights had 
different propshaft lengths ?

LR Supermarket had 3 shafts in stock; "military lightweight" (front & 
rear) and 101 FC fronts. All were new & well wrapped. I made a point 
of asking, but the guy behind the counter was certain that any 
lightweight front prop was interchangeable.

-- 
Andy Dingley                                      dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk                                          

     Speed kills, but Bull Bars enable you to kill at lower speeds

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From: rarm@lanl.gov
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:11:12 -0700

 need diesel defender 110 for long term exploration of central-south
america. i live in usa, so i must import . anyone have any ideas how to go
about this? thanks.

 robert

____________________________
robert matzner
cst-4
msc345
los alamos national laboratory
los alamos, nm 87545
(505)667-7952
fax:(505)665-3166
rarm@lanl.gov
_____________________________

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Subject: where is jimmy patrick
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 20:22:48 -0500

If any one knows where jimmy patrick is can they please e mail me pls or 
if any one has a phone number it would be appreciated.

rgds

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:42:07 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: TDi for Export (not in USA)

 Robert Matzner <rarm@lanl.gov> writes: 

> need diesel defender 110 for long term exploration of central-south
 america. i live in usa, so i must import . anyone have any ideas how to go
 about this? thanks.

 Contact Rovers North, they can sell you a Defender 110 Diesel for export
 (not for use in the USA).  They are much cheaper than US versions ($21,000
 for a regular hard top, $25,000 for Station Wagon 4 cylinder Turbo Diesel
 300TDi).  Call them in Vermont at 802-879-0032.

 There is also a provision in the US customs code to allow a vehicle into
 the US on a temporary basis (ie. vehicles registered in S. America in the
 US as visitors, cars for a specific function -rally or display, cars not
 to be registered here ever -for use on private property, etc.) which will
 allow you time to equip or modify the vehicle.

 Didn't I reply to this message just a few days ago?

 Michael Carradine   Carradine Studios                          cs@crl.com
 Architect           Architecture Development Planning    Pgr 510-945-5000
 NCARB RIBA          PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA   Ph/Fax 510-988-0900

 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:04:09 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Gearboxes

Andy Grafton asks how much a gearbox casing weighs and if they crack.  Went 
out to the garage and picked a cracked, empty shell up....maybe 10 pounds, 
certainly no more than 15.  The aluminum casting is surprisingly light.  
This one bit the dust when a 109 ate a telephone pole at speed.  My brother 
bought the wreck for parts.  Unless you do something truly catastrophic, I 
would make more sense to pack all the inards in oiled paper for an expedition.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:04:13 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Waxoyl, again

Speaking of Waxoyl...Russell, did you ever get the taste out of your mouth?

For those who came in late, Mr. Dushin did a bit of investigative reporting 
a while ago that had me ROFL.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 01:02:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: dreaming

On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> 1) Move out of North America

	Move to Canada.  In the next couple years they will be legal
	here (silly Yankee laws...)  [Mexico is probably even more
	lax.  Remember, USA does not spell "NORTH AMERICA"  They just
	own the middle bit, though have some delusions sometimes...]

> 2) Purchase one of the 300 US spec 110 four doors, 

	500 USA spec. 5 door or 25 Canadian spec. 5 door 110's.
	A early IIA 109 Station Wagon is a better built, better
	deal anyway.  Just add a TDi.  If you want to be really	
	fancy, get a 110 coil rolling chassis for the TDi and early
	IIA Station Wagon.

>    install diesel and swap V8 back each time you need to take 
>    SMOG test

	Install a diesel, a 2.5 TDi if you wish and forget about it.
	(see #1, PS no smog in Canada either...)

> 3) Become citizen of a different country, get a work visa and bring 
>    it in as a temporary import

	See #1, go to UK if need be.  #3 is generally a good idea anyway...

> 4) Purchase a pre-SMOG 109, get it registered and rebuild it using 
>    all new 110 diesel parts
	
	Purchase a 1980 109, import it legally and modify with legal
	110 diesel parts.

> 5)  Convience the Feds to change their regulations

	Yeah, 15 years is too long... :-)

> 6) convience Rover to create and import US spec 110 diesels

	Convince Rover that they could sell a lot more 110 diesels
	to cheap Canadian-types if they stripped all the California
	yuppie shit from them.  (Big V8 & roll cage <blah> etc)

> 7)  Purchase the car you want but go outside the US to visit it

	Canada is closer than you think, though most Americans don't
	know where it is on a map.  Well, they don't know where the
	next state is either.

> 8) Decide that you really wanted a US spec Defender 90 with petrol 
>    V8 instead
	
	That Winchester looks pretty good.  Pull the trigger and end the
	suffering...  Drugs can help this delusion too... :-)

> 9) Decide that you really wanted a pre -1968 109

	Now you're talking...

> 10) just day dream about having one

	Naw, I think I'll just phone the UK and get that 101 for commuting
	to work tomorrow...  :-)

	Time for another Guinness...  :-)

	Rgds

	<grin>

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From: Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
Subject: truncated messages 
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:16:12 +0200 (MET DST)

Hi Land Rovers

> Dixon Kenner's message about winches got truncated at
> >"...a mountain of......"
> is anyone else having this problem? ie.Is it the Major or my reader?

I've got this problem since I'm on the list. First I thought that it was
due to my filter program (I'm on several mailing lists and sort them
into different files with filter of the elm package) but as I hear now
it must be the Major or his gateway or something like this.

To see how many mails are actually truncated I'd propose that we
all add a end_of_message_line at the end of the sig like I did 
here (hope that this mail isn't truncated)
Cheers
Franz
-------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall     fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           exmil. 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__.._

end_of_message#     
                             

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re:dreaming and dixon
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:54:26 +0930 (CST)

Hmmm Dixon, have we been sworking late on our landy again???  This
USA V's Canada rivalry is almost as serious as (all other OZ states) V's
Victoria (g)

Guinness, Bah, *Real* land-rover owners drink Coopers Ale or Extra Stout....

Ooops time to run and hide.  It wasnt me i never logged on today :-)

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

P.S. When you get your 101 will you get one for me too? (please)
Actually there is/was a 101FC camper conversion for sale here (OZ) for ~$38K
(oz)   

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Subject: Re: dreaming and dixon 
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:56:56 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Daryl Webb wrote:

> Hmmm Dixon, have we been sworking late on our landy again???  This
> USA V's Canada rivalry is almost as serious as (all other OZ states) V's
> Victoria (g)

	After actually driving across the country (yes folks, I just put
8000 miles on my SIII 88 in 3 weeks) and meeting the Canadians in the
OVLR club, there is noticable differance attitudes between the
Canadians and the Americans.  

> Guinness, Bah, *Real* land-rover owners drink Coopers Ale or Extra Stout....

	You should try some of the water they people claim is beer over
here.  I like Guiness.  Though I can always be persuaded by a pint of McEowans.

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake (Californian Desert)
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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