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From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:04:53 +0100
Subject: Re: Problems selling RR

Guy Everhart <GuyEVER@aol.com> asks:

>says about $250 per wheel so we're looking at $500 there.

Good grief, what on earth is he thinking of?  These seals are a half
hour job and cost 10 quid over here in UK!  Hub seals are a similar,
slightly longer proposition, in case he means these.

Oil pressure sending switch is five minutes work and costs peanuts,
you don't even drain the oil, just pull it cold and fit the new one
the next second.

Rear main seals always leak.  LR know this and fit a bellhousing drain
hole.

Ditto for drips from transmission.

It all depends on the size of the leak of course!!  I'd fix the axle
seals as they are so cheap and easy and just leave the other leaks, a
buyer should not be put off by them.  It seems the local dealer is not
the place to have the work done however.
--

Best Regards,
Steve.

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:12:24 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Rover Gas Turbines

Can anyone confirm some details of the Rover-BRM gas turbine cars,
especially the one(s) raced at LeMans.

One magazine article I have refers to
   Graham Hill and Richie Ginther completing the race in 1963.

Robson's LR book
   gives one date - 1965 on a picture of the Rover-BRM with the
   kneeling L-R transporter.

Slavin, Slavin and Mackie (LR book) don't give any date but
   refer to `completing the course' one year, damaged in transport
   the next year, `satisfactory completion' of the race the next year.

So, I presume the turbine car finished well down the field in 1963,
did not compete in 1964, and did respectably well in 1965.
Does anyone know where it actually placed, and who drove it in 1965?
(The car is now in the British Motor Industry Heritage Museum -
who could supply the information for a fee !-)

Lloyd Allison

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Split Charge Circuits
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 12:37:27 BST

> The simplest way is: connect a cable from the positive terminal of your main
> (starting) battery to one terminal of a solenoid (a hefty starter solenoid),
> and another cable from the other terminal to the positive terminal of your
[description deleted]

This is one way, but if I partly drain the aux. battery overnight then 
as soon as I try to start the vehicle there will be a current drain 
on the vehicle battery not only from the starter motor, but also from
the half-charged aux. battery.  I'd rather spare the already overloaded
vehicle battery...

All the best,

Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk  

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From: Hldixon@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 07:52:34 -0400
Subject: Downeast VII

Anybody going to the Downeast event this weekend?

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:02:35 GMT
From: Alan Clements <alan@slaphead.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Seats

-- We have just bought a '75 Ser III 88", I want to change the seats as part of 
the overhaul, could any of you folks tell me what options I have for installing 
seats with head restraints, buckets, etc. and what modifications would have to 
be made to take them ??

Appologies if this question has been asked before, but I'm new to the net too !!

Regards Slaphead
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| You shouldn't have joined if you couldn't take a joke !  |
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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 09:36:48 EST
Subject: Re: land rover models

     William,
     
     From memory, I think there are 1/24 scale kits of Series military 
     ambulance and Pink Panther by the Italian plastic hobby kit maker 
     Esci.  As a diorama builter, it shouldn't be too hard to modify either 
     of these with a bit of Plastruct and sheet here and there.  These two 
     kits should be available from stockists or second-hand.  I think I 
     have both (unbuilt) in the basement, and recently gave away a spare 
     ambulance kit, but have to wonder if I'll ever get around to building 
     them myself.  
     
     Good luck on your project.
     
     Regards,
     Hank

> Subject: land rover models
> Author:  al302@lafn.org (William Just) at Zeus

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 34 lines)]
> one love
> rasta4I

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:30:49 -0400
Subject: Re: order from England

Hi Bronson,

Wish we had some extra $$$, we'd definitely take advantage of your UK order.
 Do you have a price list, maybe Bob can be tempted.  He's interested in a
head liner for our 88, and door panels.  

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Cheers,

Sue Bernard (for Bob)
Paradise, CA 916 877-5656
BobandSueB@aol.com  

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: South Africa Wins World Rugby..
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 7:19:35 PDT

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

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> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> ........... and the New Jersey Devils won the Stanley Cup in ice hockey!
 Aw hell, we gave it to them.....

Russ Burns
Howell Mi.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 07:54:30 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Tires for an 88

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Tires for an 88
I too have a 109 and an 88. Recently I put the 7.50 x 16 tires from the
109 onto the 88. There are absolutely no clearance problems. At full
turn, it is a little close to the springs, but the tires never touch,
and the stops are adjustable, in case yours do touch. I've heard that
33x9.50 will fit without clearance problems. I'm considering this for my
88, as I want additional ground clearance and an aggressive mud tire.

I did notice the power is less, since the tires that were on it before
were about 2 inches shorter than the 7.50's. (This makes me wonder about
putting the 33's on.... It's already "dog slow"!)

Good luck...

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:02:19 -0400
Subject: 88-109 speed difference

to Bill Leacock,
I remembered reading something that showed a different final ratio, so I went
to the book. I guess what I read was the all helical transfer box for the 109

1 ton (optional for others)
This one has a final drive of 7.19  as compared to the others of 5.39.So I
guess it's not very common?

Regards,
Bob Bernard

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Problems selling RR

On Sun, 25 Jun 1995 GuyEVER@aol.com wrote:

> leak.  Again not very bad.  Can anybody tell what all of this means in terms
> of re sell, seriousness, etc.  Your help is certainly appreciated.

Seems to me these are all routine leaks to be expected from a Rover! If 
it's not leaking, it must be empty!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: "thomas r. coron" <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu>
Subject: Re: Problems selling RR
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:53:07 EDT

> >says about $250 per wheel so we're looking at $500 there.
> Good grief, what on earth is he thinking of?  These seals are a half
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> the place to have the work done however.
> --
  
  IMHO, 100% of auto dealer service departments are incompetent AND/OR
  dishonest. I think this is a typical example.

Tom Coron         tcoron@s850.mwc.edu
King George,Va.   703-775-4575
'66' IIA 88 RHD

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 12:42:06 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: '71 Land-Rover 88, results of the "blown clutch" story.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: '71 Land-Rover 88, results of the "blown clutch" story.
You may remember a week or 2 ago I reported a report where I
disintegrated my clutch... (Got pulled by Scott Lindsey's FJ40, over the
hills and through the woods!) Well, I finally got around to pulling the
trans (needed rebuilding anyway, had numerous metal *chunks* draining
out with the gear oil!) What a job! Due to the frame member welded below
it, it had to come out from the top. This required removing the floor
panels, and entire seat box. My stupid male pride prevented me from
calling any number of 50 or so friends that would have been happy to
help, several had offered to... (I never claimed to be smart!) But in
spite of that, I managed to pull it out by myself. When I removed the
clutch cover and actually *saw* the disc, I just laughed out loud! It
had *absolutely no* friction material on it, and looked like some frisbe
like "death blade" thing that would be thrown by the James Bond villain
"Odd Job"! I'm not even exaggerating on this! None!!! Never seen
anything like it in all my years of working at auto parts stores, seeing
many hundreds of cores! (Old clutches.) Not even a trace stuck
underneath one of the rivets!

So, now I need to find a replacement. I think I'll try to find one from
a local "import" parts store, maybe from a Rover, or Triumph, or MG?
Anyone know of a replacement? It's a 9 1/2 inch. (Late IIa.)

Now.... to tear into the transmission! This should be fun! I've never
done a trans before! How many pieces can they fit in that little thing
anyway? ;-)

Land-Rover... Definitely a "love-hate" relationship!

Dave (pride dog) Brown... Phoenix (Well, Mesa, actually) Arizona USA

P.S. I loved the story about getting "SACUL" imbedded on your SO's
forehead... (from the Land-Rover list) This took me a minute or so to
figure out, but then more laughter!) (once again, see the "never said I
was smart" comment...)

P.P.S. In reference to "sucking out" gear oil... Don't do it! When I
drained the transfer case, about a full cup (8 ounces!) of water came
out first! Water, on which oil will float, will not be sucked out!

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: 26 Jun 95 15:53:36 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Centre diff lock problem - Range Rover

>  How can I check my diff lock's operation ?
 
Only *sure* way would be on a double "rolling road" or whatever it's called.
With centre diff _dis_engaged, it should be possible to block three wheels
and have the forth one continue moving (all in *very* slow rev). Trying to
do this with the diff *locked*, the car should start showing signs of
disapproval, like rattling, jerking and jumping from the rollers...

>  Can I do any sort of work on the transfer box *without* taking the box 
>  out ?  Range Rover transfer boxes are a nightmare to remove, and I'm 

Yes, I know; and no, I'm afraid you can't do any decent work on it without
taking it out...
 
>  If I dropped the front propshaft, would I be OK to drive it 250 miles 
>  to my regular workspace, where I keep the heavy lifting gear ?

Hmmm... you could actually, but here only if you are *certain* that the
diff is positively *locked* and will *stay* locked ! Don't try this if
you have any doubts, and go _slowly_ as the steering behavior of the beast
will change dramatically with the front axle freewheeling.

>  Anyone else had centre diff problems on a Rangie ?

Mine has a bit of slack and clanks occasionally, rather sluggish to
disengage - doesn't worry me though. Might re-shim it when I feel
adventurous - or when it *pops*. As I frequently go offroad I never have
any doubts as to whether it works or not - muddy slopes are telling...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:32:08 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Various...

> Rick goes on to describe how an aging, ill-cared for 109 runs rings around 
> his low mileage 88.  My brother had one like that.  We weren't sure how many
[...]
> seen other examples (not counting Robert's Mercruiser/Rover) and have been 
> at a loss to explain/understand it.

My 109 goes like a bat out of hell.  70mph cruising speed at about 3100rpm.  
Gotten it up to 85 one time (although admittedly, I did have a tail wind.)  
Don't ask me.  something about the dents being like the dimples on a golf ball 
was discussed a whiloe back.  Along with someone's story of a speedy VW bug...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@WellsFargo.COM>
Subject: Mirrors & Propane
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 17:02:00 PDT

Bob&Sue,

I was very impressed with the Defender Mirrors on my cousin's Defender...so 
I asked Lawrence of British Pacific at the Hayward meet.  He said that the 
mirrors run about $100 and the hinge is another $30 or so.  Is this anywhere 
close to what your friend had to pay?  BTW Lawrence said that the original 
hinges can be modified by drilling an additional hole but that it's a 
hassle.

Dave,
My brother used LP in Mexico for 20 years and had his rig converted to run 
either gasoline or propane...the propane yielded about 95% the mileage he 
got on gas...but the real problem was when he switched back from propane 
after a couple months...all the gaskets had dried out and fuel was dripping 
everywhere.  On the next conversion..he ran only propane.

Gerry 72 88

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:49:48 EDT
From: ZDNZ89A@prodigy.com (MR BRONSON HAMILTON)

info

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:17:33 -0400
Subject: Driving with Transmission Brake On

Just  had an interesting experience:
I drove about a block and a half with the transmission brake on until I
smelled something burning.  At that point I checked and disengaged the brake.
  Checking it later, it still worked but I did have to adjust the hand brake
handle.  If there are no immediate problems and it seems to work now, are
there any other potential problems which I simply haven't discovered yet?
 All comments accepted if not entirely appreciated.
Thanks
Nate Dunsmore
Boring MD, USA 
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:55:07 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Bowie British Car Day

Best regards to all of the 'netters who stopped by and said hello yesterday. 
For those who didn't stick around 'til the bitter end, Dick Holmes' 
Dormobile won first, while Dave Schworm took second for his immaculate (and 
quiet) '66 Carawagon.  ("Jeez, Dave, is that engine actually running?!?"  
But I guess when you're VP for service at LRNA, your vehicle is going to be 
in *damned* good condition!)

Anyway, this is liable to be the last British Car Day...among other reasons, 
the city of Bowie has decided to up the ante on the site rental and impose a 
bunch of other restrictions.

Did make a few contacts at the meet.  "Triple C," purveyor of replica signs, 
shirts, toys, etc. and "Mid-Life Classics" a book seller, will likely be 
vendors at the Mid-Atlantic Rally.  Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 20:32:10 PDT
Subject: Re: 	WARNING!!

THIS IS A WARNING TO ALL FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE LIST:

Save your money and your time that you might better spend watching weeds grow 
or paint peel and AVOID seeing the absurd waste of celluloid entitled *CONGO.* 
This is a pathetic, thrown together attempt by a successful producer (Jurassic 
Park) to simply cash in his name.

The few scenes towards the beginning of the flick of series Land Rovers do 
little to compensate for the hackneyed plot, cornball diaglogue, and no-name 
actors in this superb example of wasted effort.

Do yourselves a *BIG FAVOR...* Save your bucks to see Judge Dredd - this one 
should be fun. Check out the *CITY CAB.*

Congo? Sucks... BIG TIME!

Be Warned

Jim

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:40:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Sputtering

James Howard asks...

 
> My first suspicion was the charcoal canister was stopped up.  I
> disconnected the hose in the top of gas tank that runs to the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> The engine still sputters.  
> Anyone have ideas on what to check next?  

The line from the charcoal canister does not go directly to the tank. There
is an expansion tank which is (or should be) tucked up underneath the body
just ahead of the left rear wheel. The line from the canister goes to that
tank and then from there to the fuel tank.

Try running without the filler cap. If it still sputters, then maybe you
have a clogged line.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Almost Done!)      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Good bye, and thanks for all the fish!!!
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:26:11 EST

Hi, or should that be goodbye all,

        I have just been informed that I am now redundant.  So this is 
the last post I will be making for a while (But not too long I hope!!)  
It has been great knowing you all.

Rob, when I get that stuff from you I will snail mail you.

OWC members, If I ever find out how to stop a 2.25 diesel from smoking, I 
will find a way to convey the miricle, I mean answer to the list.

Good bye!!!!!!!!!

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

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