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1 rover@pinn.net (Alexande22Number plates
2 steve gross [sgross@enet9RE: Dead Battery
3 "S.Vels Christensen" [ve13Any Brazilian members on the list?
4 David John Place [umplac16Return of the Native
5 JCassidyiv@aol.com 14Rusted Floor-board
6 vortex@worldaccess.nl (B22Re: Any Brazilian members on the list?
7 "P. Suryono Adisoemarta"20Disco: LH to RH drive, possible ?
8 mtalbot@InterServ.Com (M10Re: Land Rover Series 16" wheels for sale
9 "Anthony J. Bonanno" [7532Series IIA Oil Pressure Gauge
10 "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" [742Misc
11 "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" [715brakes
12 jhoward@argus.lowell.edu17RE: Dead Battery
13 LANDROVER@delphi.com 34Re: Rovers in _Congo_
14 Kelly Minnick [minnick@j25Tire
15 Frederick_O._Ellsworth@b20Re: Re: More Kodiak Heater Questions
16 Donald Abbot [donald@spl19Re: Dead battry


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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:16:34 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Number plates

David Brown wrote:

>Then, how to make it look 25 years old....Hmmmm....

Just the way the Tunisians made "artifacts" when I was in the Peace Corps 
twenty years ago (had a diesel 88 while I was there, too).  They'd take some 
"antique-to-be," beat it with chains or whatnot, soak it in olive brine and 
then bury it in the yard for a fortnight.  The local kids were constantly 
trying to sell us lamps, coins, and other "Roman" bric-a-brac...until they 
realized that we spoke fluent Arabic and new the scam.  Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 08:26:19 PDT
From: steve gross <sgross@enet.net>
Subject: RE: Dead Battery

For the alternator to produce output, the field winding has to have voltage applied from the battery.  Usually, the 
residual voltage left in a partially discharged battery is enough to accomplish this.

-steve

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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 16:28:02 -0600 (CST)
From: "S.Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Any Brazilian members on the list?

Hi my name is Jacob from Rio - Sending from boroughed mail acc in Denmark. I
will soon be hooked up on Net from Rio and would like to know if there are
any land rover friends in brazil. Pls reply to the above address(Soren). Im
a member of Dansk Land Rover Klub counting apprx 1000 members. Very
interested in driving off road in Brazil. pls adv. owned a 109, but
sold due to travelling. Looking in brazil for 88" petrol
at! logo jacob
greetings to my lr friends in australia as well.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:31:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Return of the Native

If anyone has been trying to contact me in the pat three weeks please 
send your message again.  I just returned from doing some disaster work 
for the American Red Cross and when I got home there were over 300 
messages in my mailbox.  I just had to delete them all and start fresh.  
I say a nice 88 Land Rover with a snorkel driving down Royal Street in 
the French Quarter of New Orleans last week.  Is that one of the net 
members or does anyone know who owns it?  Very few Land Rover products in 
New Orleans.  Saw one Range Rover and the one 88 and that is it.  By the 
way don't go to the Gulf in summer!  95 degrees and just as humid for the 
past 21 days.  I am glad to get back to the 40 degree evenings here.  
Dave VE4PN.

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:51:15 -0400
Subject: Rusted Floor-board

Help!  I decided to see what the rust was under the driver side mat of my
1987 Range Rover and found  two large rust holes.  I know that I have to
replace the front mud-flap mounts and replace the fittings with stainless and
seal the nuts, but has anyone else undertaken this project(replacement of the
floor-board)?  Do any part houses offer a replacement piece or should I have
the local metal shop cut me a piece of stainless to weld in?   Thanks in
advance for any help.  John Cassidy
P.S.  You can see how the repair looks at the Owl's Head Rally.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 20:24:52 +0200
From: vortex@worldaccess.nl (Bert Palte)
Subject: Re: Any Brazilian members on the list?

On June 11th, this message was posted:

>Hi my name is Jacob from Rio - Sending from boroughed mail acc in Denmark. I
>will soon be hooked up on Net from Rio and would like to know if there are
>any land rover friends in brazil.

Are there actually *any*   LandRovers in South America? 
Perhaps only on the Falklands / Malvinas?

Two years ago, I spent my hliday travelling through Argentina and Chile,
 but I was rather surprised to see not a single LandRover.  
(As a LRO, I was, of course, watching for them).
 Many old Mercedesses, old DKWs, locally made Hillman Avengers, 
Toyota LandCruisers -  but LandRovers? 
Have they ever been sold there? I doubt it.

Bert Palte 

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From: "P. Suryono Adisoemarta" <paulus@nextover.pe.utexas.edu>
Subject: Disco: LH to RH drive, possible ?
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:31:27 -0500 (CDT)

Dear netter,

is it possible to modify a LH Discovery (US model) to RH drive ?
(Like the Series I~III models).

Thanks for all responses,

Paulus
1975 LWB Ser-III (ex mil)
1982 LWB Ser-III
-- 
Paulus Suryono Adisoemarta    Internet: yono@parokinet.org (Linux!)
Petroleum Engineering Dept.             paulus@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (NeXT!) 
U of Texas, Austin                      n5snn@mail.utexas.edu (?!)

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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 15:56:23 PDT
From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series 16" wheels for sale

All, 

I have one set of 16" wheels to fit series land rovers. $200 a set of four. 

Mark 

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Date: 11 Jun 95 19:34:35 EDT
From: "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com>
Subject: Series IIA Oil Pressure Gauge

I finally gave up on finding a reasonable alternative for the electric sending
unit for the Smith's Electric Oil Pressure Gauge that came on my 71 Series IIA
88.  Rover's North wanted $ 140.00 (yes, that is ONE HUNDRED FORTY US DOLLARS)
just for the sending unit.  I decided to replace the gauge and sending unit with
another brand.  I wound up installing a mechanical 2-1/16" 0-80 lb
Stewart-Warner in the same space that the Smith's occupied.  I did a "forced
re-threading" of the banjo fitting where the electric sending unit use to sit
(near the oil filter) and using some plumbers tape ended up with a good
leakproof compression fitting.  I wrapped the mechanical gauge's nylon tubing in
plastic "cabling" like you find in Radio Shack for protecting electronic wiring
(to protect the tubing from abrasion and cuts) and snaked it up, around, and
through the firewall to the new gauge.   Looks neat and professional and it
works well!  Total cost about $ 50.00.  Even though the engine has 120,000 on
it, it idles at 30+lbs and cruises with about 40lbs according to the new gauge.
The Smith's gauge use to show about 20 idle and 25 cruising (its been reading
low like this for about 15  years).  

I'm fairly confident the Smith's gauge itself is okay (0-100 lbs black face with
white numbers, backlit, etc.) as it will deflect full scale if grounded.  I
think the problem was always the sender unit.  I threw the old sender unit in
the trash.  However, the gauge itself (with mounting bracket, light, etc.)
appears to be in good condition (minor paint peeling on bezel), etc.  I think
the price of a new one is way over $100.00.  If anyone could use my old one, I'd
be happy to pass it on real cheap (how about $ 12.00 plus shipping).   All for
now.  Cheers!

Tony Bonanno, Santa Fe, New Mexico 

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Date: 11 Jun 95 19:59:21 EDT
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Misc

Read a few more of the past couple of weeks digests, herwith a few comments:

 If I was a dealer I would be against the fitting of swivel housing gaiters,
they spoil the sales of new housings!!  I have seen swivel housings that have
been covered with gaiters for twenty years that were still like new, 

Paul Nash / Andy  Bottom ring groove on pistons.. Years ago the bottom ring
groove was added so that on a worn engine oil copnsumption  could be reduced by
the fitting of the fourth ring. It  is not recomended to fit the fourth ring,
they starve the top rings of oil, leading to premature failure of the top rings.

 Mark Talbot  Clogged radiator.  The RR cooling system MUST be filled with
inhibited coolant, usually good quality anti freeze contains inhibitors. If
plain water is ever used, even for only a short time it picks up aliminium oxide
from the cylinder head, a chemical reaction takes place with the copper in the
radiator tubes which builds up a coating on the inside of the tubes, increasing
the pressure drop in the rad and reducing the coolant flow. Eventually the tubes
can become completely blocked.
 I am not aware of a suitable chemical treatment for the removal of the deposits
that will not also remove the radiator tube as well. You can take the tanks off
and physically  scrape out the stuff but it is easy to puncture a tube. 
 When you fit your new radiator ensure that inhibitors are always used in the
coolant.

 S V Aurens   Removing tight track rod ends  - with the track rod removed from
the vehicle, slide the clamp well back from the end, place the end of the rod,
flat  on a solid metal block with the track rod end overhanging the block,
hammer the tube around the end, this has the effect of loosening the threads to
enable the removal.
 David Brown also note that the track rod thread does not  start at the end of
the rod, there is about an inch of plain portion first to provide the clamping
area for the clamp.

 At the National a bystander was badly injured during the recovery of a motor
which was on its side, somehow the motor was pulled on top of him, he was taken
to hospital, I have no newws of his current health.
  Regards Bill Leacock.

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Date: 11 Jun 95 20:18:27 EDT
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: brakes

The front brakes on 88 are 1 1/4 dia. so do not consider using a 1 1/16 dia on
the front, I guess the 1/16 th increase on the rear would not upset the balance
too much.

Jim  -- Overdrives  I have used a Fairey overdrive on a 109 for 100,000 plus
miles and on a 88 for a lot alsoincluding a lot of off road use.  All on 7.50
tyres which are bigger than 205 x 16, they are really too small for the 109. I
also use d the overdrive with 3.9 diffs and 8.25 x 16 tyres and a hi torque
diesel engine for about 20k miles and the unit is still in use on a 109.
 Regards  Bill Leacock     Limey in exile.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 18:12 MST
From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II)
Subject: RE: Dead Battery

> For the alternator to produce output, the field winding has to have
>voltage applied from the battery.  Usually, the residual voltage left
>in a partially discharged battery is enough to accomplish this.

The oil pressure warning light just barely glowed, so it had some
residual voltage.  Does the alternator output increase when the
battery voltage increases?  The alternator seemed to charge the battery
up to a point where the ignition would finally spark.  I am glad I was
on a long hill.  I bought jumper cables today, because I have needed
them twice in the last week.  Once for me, and once for a friend.

James

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 23:29:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Rovers in _Congo_

Ben Smith reviews Congo...

>         So I just got back from seeing _Congo_ and there were 5 or so
> scenes that included Land Rovers.   Let's see if I can remember all of
> them.

Well... I think you got them all right. OK.. I'll admit it.. I saw it too.
We had a choice. Congo or Die Hard 3 (or 22 or 47?). As the opening scenes
unfolded in Africa, Sharon says to me "I know why you wanted to see Congo..
Just to see Land Rovers". 

>         Scene at border crossing, green Series II or III 109 with full
> canvas top is behind the characters' truck. 

The characters truck being a UNIMOG. 

>         Overall, I enjoyed the movies immensely.

Actually, I thought it stunk! Reeked, actually. OK.. the laser bit was neet,
the natives singing was pretty funny, but things like the guy jumping from a
plane using a square (parachute) and landing on his feet when he had never
jumped before? Too many little things like that really spoiled it for me. 

So, what is this? Siskel and Ebert?

Cheers
Mike
  

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Tire
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 22:02:53 PDT

RE:Tires
Maybe I'm missing something.  If I am, someone can clue me in.  Large tire
give a larger tire patch area.  Smaller tires give a smaller patch area.
Both tires have the same weight on them, so in some instances, the smaller
tire (narrower) would have a higher psi loading and possibly better traction.
Rubber compound has a big play here.  How that rubber bites into sand, mud
rocks, etc.  I realize that a large diameter tire has a higher inertia and
the moment arm is larger, but a smaller diameter tire is more prone to spin
in the dirt than the larger diameter, eh?  I think spinning off-road is where
the axles break, not on the road.  At any give speed, there is an associated
HP required to keep the vehicle at that speed.  With smaller tires, this
translates back to a higher axle torque figure.  I am assuming this by the
fact that HP = torque X RPM.  Also, most larger circumference tires have
lower rolling resistence (i.e. ten speed bike tires).  Does this make any
sense or am I really off base?  I haven't been using my dynamics too much
in the past 7 years.  Too busy blowing stuff up.
Comment?  Bombs? - I'll duck
Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari & '91 RR
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: Frederick_O._Ellsworth@bcsmac.org (Frederick O. Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: Re: More Kodiak Heater Questions
Date: 11 Jun 1995 22:26:36 GMT

William,
Thanks for the info.  I think I'll try wiring a standard 20 amp resistor from
Radio Shack into the low power lead from the regular Smiths switch & see how
that works before I head off to a junkyard.  Should have thought of that
first.  
I've already got a coolant cutoff pull-switch for the heater and I think I
can do without the fresh air cutoff.  (I can see where it goes on the heater
but the butterfly valve is missing on my unit.)
That Kodiak motor really goes like hell!

Thanks again,
Fred

- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:33:32 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: Donald Abbot <donald@spl.co.za>
Subject: Re: Dead battry

On Saturday James Howard said:

> I foolishly left my headlights
> on the whole day.  When we returned, the battery was DEAD.  Since we
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> start.  I had to roll down in 4th for a mile, with the ignition on so
> the alternator would charge, before it finally started.  

This will happen if you have capacitance discharge ignition. On the good 
old points/coil system it should start right away. The CDI unit requires 
power from the battery before it will fire. What vehicle and ignition 
system do you have?

Donald

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