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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 01:40:21 -0700
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: little waxoyl tidbit

thought this might be of interest (considering the occasional waxoyl/LPS query):

whilst in the bermuda triangle on business (i kid you not) i was reading
the bermuda daily newspaper. there was a piece in the business section
about some ongoing litigation concerning the bankruptcy and subsequent
liquidation of waxoyl, which was aregistered as a bermuda corporation, but
"apparentl did not have operations in bermuda."

the case concerned details of a multimillion dollar suit against the
principals of waxoyl (corporate directors) and the bank that supported them
by the stockholders and creditors. the former owners had just lost another
round. they apparently went out of business in 1990 or thereabouts.

-jory

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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 04:34:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: virus warning

A warning is being circulated about a destructive e-mail virus that some 
lunatic has created and turned loose in the U.S. this past week 
Apparently, if you get an e-mail message 
with the subject line Good Times, and open it, it will lobotomize your 
hard drive. My trumpet players' newsgroup got this warning yesterday, and 
it is apparently no joke. The virus warning said such a subject line turns 
up in your e-mail, do NOT open it, but delete it, then quit and 
re-start your e-mail. I expect other warnings will be appearing about this.

Mark Perry              '66 Ser.IIA 88" Hardtop
Winnipeg, Manitoba       "If it isn't leaking,
Canada   R3J 2G3          it's probably out of something."

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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:59:51 +0059 (BST)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: little waxoyl tidbit

I think "Finnegan's" (the hammerite people) are now selling Waxoyl and 
related underseals in U.K.

Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:11:20 +0059 (BST)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: virus warning?? Don't Panic.

Messages are also circulating that refute this warning on the grounds that
it's very silly indeed. It seems to stem from the same family of internet
warnings that said flashing your headlamps at cars with no lights on would
get you killed by a carload of crazed gang-members. 

Think a little bit about how your computer works, and then re-think the 
warning. Even if you managed to incoporate an executable that 
self-executed from a MIME standard mail message (?), what exactly could 
it do? If it was on my UNIX box, it could possibly wipe my filespace.  It 
would not have the access to 'lobotomise the hard-drive' which is in fact 
a 16 Gigabyte RAID disk array anyway. I am a user, not a super user. If I 
used my POP3 server, the virus would need to have figured out how to 
execute Motorola 680x0 instructions from a text reader? on a Macintosh to 
get me... AND know how to execute Intel x86/Pentium instructions to get 
my neighbors DOS box... and what about our old IBM 'Phoenix' mainframe... 
let 'em try it ;-)

Sure, you should always be on the lookout for dubious materials, but this 
one is a little far fetched.

I don't think anyone should panic just yet... if it wipes my hard-drive, 
I'll just have to go and eat my hat.

Cheers,
Charlie

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:54:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Winch & 'Blocks'

Let's see.. Learned dynamics at Drexel, where they use Popov and negative
sign convention, and also missed the original post about the winching, so who
knows how relevant this will be...
Unless you change the gearing ratio or the power source, the *winch* will not
pull any harder, regardless of what it pulls. Someday they will probably come
out with a micro-processor 'smart' winch, but I don't think they can
presently interpret anything but yes/no (on/off). Capstans could be
'slipped', for more/less pull, but in any effect, maximum pull is max pull
for now. This of course pertains to pull at the winch itself only.
By using simple pulleys ('blocks'), the force of tension created by the winch
may be compounded/multiplied. One can even be so creative as to be able to
divide the pulling force, thereby diminishing it.
Generally speaking, and assuming that only one pulley is used: If the pulley
moves and the winch does not, the pulling force is not multiplied. If the
pulley remains stationary and the winch moves, the pulling force is
multiplied.
And as an extra added bonus, what you need to know to be a civil engineer:
   1). F = MA.
   2). You can't push a rope.
   3). Manhole covers are round.
Yup, that's all it takes! Mix and match, that's all.

See 'ya on the old road...
Jim  '61 88" SW / OD, 1 Bbl weber & 16's   (econobox?)
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!

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From: Willyz@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:55:12 -0400
Subject: Series III oil temp.

Okay here's my newbie question. I just installed a Smith's oil temperature
guage that I received for Xmas on my Series III. Everything went fine except
I'm not sure if I got the mechanical sending unit positioned far enough into
the oilpan. The guage reads between 50 and 60 degrees Celsius. (130-140F). Is
this about the normal operating temp for Land Rovers? I expected it to be a
little hotter. Any comments from the infobahnexperts would be appreciated. 

BTW, before installing I dipped the sending unit into boiling water and it
read right at 100C. Thanks in advice all!

Bill Kaszer

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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:51:00 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Atlantic British of California

 Chris Whitehead <Sekerere@aol.com> writes:
>Unfortunately I have to report some unusual circumstances with this
 company also known as British Rovers.  I ordered a manual from then,
 never received  it, ... no credit had been done.

 Lewiston is in a remote part of California.  It's probably just a
 timing thing, and you may have been credited already.

>I tried phoning both the California and Vermont numbers (800) and
 the toll number in Lewiston, California. The 800 numbers
 are all disconnected, and the other number no one answers it.

 The Vermont and California operations have been split up for about four
 (4) years!  Tom is still very much in business, I've been dealing with
 Tom on and off for 16 years.  Just a week ago I called him in Lewiston,
 left a message on his machine, and he called back that afternoon.  I'd
 call him again, they're a reputable parts and vehicle source to the
 Land Rover community.

 Lightly!

 Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.510-254-3324
 Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
 NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

 Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: Christopher Cougill <cucc4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Advice on a used Lady, please...
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:04:34 -0500 (CDT)

Hey all,

	I'm a newcomer, so please bear with me!  I'm sure this sort of 
question is asked five or six times a month, so I apologoze in advance 
to those whom I may annoy with it, but:

	I'm considering buying a mid-'60's LR 109 Safari.  I have not 
seen the truck, but know and trust the seller; the vehicle is actually 
somewhat "sold," so I will have to wait a couple of weeks to see if the 
"buyer" actually goes though with the deal (50/50 chance).  
	I was told that the body is real solid, and is stripped for 
painting.  I guess the windows are out, too, but otherwise the truck is a 
driver.  He said that it comes with an extra rear cross-member, and that 
the one on it is OK, but ugly from past repair welds (does this sound 
bad?  I understand that replacing that is time-consuming: gas tank must 
come out, etc...).  
	Anyway, he's looking to get around $3k for the truck; is that 
pretty fair?  I know my details are vague, but assuming it's solid and 
runs good (he says the engine rear seal was replaced to stop a leak, 
otherwise clean, engine & bay just painted) is the price fair?
	I have also looked at a Toyota LandCruiser.  I know I probably 
shouldn't admit that on this list, but... well, I need something that's 
road-worthy (not just off-road worthy!) and reliable.  I have had an 
early MGB GT and a Triumph TR6, so I know how fussy Brit. cars can be, 
though I *do not* hide my affection for them!  I like the styling and 
sould of the LR so much better than the LC, but reliability and cost 
effectiveness are a major factor for me (a starving student as it is -- 
can just keep my TR6 on the road).
	By the way, when (if) I get this vehicle,it will be my only one 
(selling the TR6).  I will use it 99% of the time on paved roads -- 
mostly for moving stuff (the TR6 is just not a "hauler").  Does a LR 
sound like the last thing I need, or what?

	Thanks in advance for *any* advice or idle chatter!

	Chris Cougill
	new guy on list (digest form) from Eastern Illinois University.  

PS -- Any LR owners in my area (east central IL)?

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 01:01:59 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject:  <YAWN !!!> Inappropriate postings: Re: virus warning // and more

Dear Mark,

        Though your intentions may be good, it was not appropriate to post
this notice to this mailing list.

        First, I'll note taht this notice is particularly dated information,
this first occured months ago (and whomever forwarded it to the list
originally was given similar notice.

        Furthermore, such information is of little relavence to many
subscribers of the Land Rover list, as ANY particular set of computer
instructions will only affect one type of operating system/machine.
Further reducing the value of your message was it's lack of content as
to exactly what types of computer systems it affects and how it does so.

        For readers whom are interested in viruses and other threats, they
should consult the appropriate forum be it on the vendor's services,
or the virus mailing list or the CERT warnings and mailings lists.

        Don't take this personally, and if you've received harsher mail
on this topic, just bin it, live and learn.

        Cheers,
        Bill
--------------------------------------------------------
So to remind you the list of things every one need not bother to post to
the list:
        Test Messages
        *Requests that postcards be sent to anybody*
        *Requests that e-mail be sent to anybody*
        *Chain Letters*
        Virus Alerts
        *Vacation mail*
        Blatent commerical advertisements, especially if they have
                *nothing* to do with land rovers

Of course, *some* of these may get you unsubscribed...
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sg from: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Re: mail list stuff

Hi John,

>1. Why do most of the messages these days on the list start with the
>sentence about "for subscription information" etc?

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

        When the digester was added to the real-time list, the above tag
        line was added, hopefully all of your messages will include the
        tag line if you're on the real-time list.

>2. Is lro@team.net still the right place to post messages?

        Yes, it works - the offical address that will be seen is

        lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net, which (for now) is the same as @Team.Net

As for the intermittent replies and delays, the LRO mailserver is itself
operating intermittently.  It seems to hang  about three times a week.

Hopefully I'll be able to con one of my coworkers into rebooting it
while I'm away for most of the next two months.....hmmm. (maybe I'll
drop my workstation in it's place, after all, I won't be using it.)

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Msg from: "Jeff Young" <young@mci.net>
Re: used RR vs new GMC

>I'm in the same spot, looking for a used RR.  and i've
>found one.  problem is that my wife found a brand new
>suburban for the same price.

>the rover:  '93 County LWB 24k miles

>the Suburban:  '95 GMC SLT (means it's loaded) 70 miles

oy, well tell 'er that if she gets the GMC she'll spend the next
year whinging about any build defects to the dealer, while if you
get the slightly used vehicle, you know they're all worked out:-)

besides the GMC won't go with your wellies and barbours, and your
neighbors would just mistake the dog guards for gun racks in a GMC
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Msg by Jory Bell:
Re: waxoyl

>thought this might be of interest (considering the occasional waxoyl/LPS
>query):
> they [waxoyl] apparently went out of business in 1990 or thereabouts.

Fear not, they must have been bailed out and continued operations in some
form, as my local Halfords has loads of tins of it on the shelf...
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Msg from: Chris Sekerere@aol.com
Re: closed CA rover place

>Rover a few months ago. I ordered a manual from then, never received it, so I
>contacted him and asked that my credit card be credited for the charge they
>had made. This he promised to do. Today I received my credit card bill and
>noted that the charge was still there, no credit had been done. I tried to

Well Chris, as you are in the US, unless you have a dodgey credit card
company, all you need do is call them and tell them that the charge is under
dispute as the goods were never received.  The next thing that you should
do is send a certified return receipt letter to the address which you
ordered
it from, if it is delivered, then you'll have the receipt to show the credit
card company and if it isn't then let the credit card company figure out
where they are... either way, you shouldn't be out the money... go read the
fine print on the rear of your statement or on the credit card agreement
about the consumer protection stuff...
------------------------------------

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net   <web: "http://www.senie.com/billc/">

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, because
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R  ul N   H           '72 Range Rover

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From: Christopher Cougill <cucc4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Err, I meant used "Landy," not "Lady" 8^)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:43:36 -0500 (CDT)

	Uh...  freudian slip?  Sorry guys, I meant to elicit advice on 
buying a used LANDY, not a used LADY.  ALready have one of the latter...
	Anyway, thanks to all who've helped so far!  Keep the suggestions 
coming, please!  And yes, I have read the FAQ, but I wanted to hear some 
first-hand advice from anyone willing to give it!

	Thank you (again!),
	Chris Cougill
	lookin' at a mid '60's 109 Safari (don't know exact year)

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Aluminium annealing
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 12:12:42 EST

> Does anyone have any experience annealing aluminium after beating out 
> minor dents in body panels?

  
> Jeremy Bartlett

I heard that you soap up the panel in quenstion, and when the soap starts 
bubbling, you are at the right tempurature???

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

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Date: 24 Apr 95 00:37:47 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: tradeoff questions

>As I am looking at the pricing on some of the extras I am struck by the
>outrageous prices for some items and would like to get some opinions on what
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>9 month old (in car seat) all of the time and a 9 yr old every other weekend
>(when we would use the D90 for getting away).

>A/C	US$2800
>Brushbar	695
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>full rag top	1795
>hard top	2995  (fiberglass)

>Pricing on the A/C is totally outrageous. The cost of the full rag and hard
>top seems very steep, and even the rear seat seems high. The A/C would be
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Is the hardtop necessary for keeping normal temps in either the summer or
>winter? How about when the family goes to the snow?

I agree the accessories are rather expensive. But $2800 for the A/C seems high.
I
seem to recall $1900 or so for my '94 but I do know they changed the unit that
is
used so maybe the price has gone up. I have the full soft top and have found the
A/C to work quite effectively even in 100+ conditions between Bakersfield and
Fresno. The heater seems effective also but I can't say I've been anywhere below
freezing. Can't say whether the hard top is really necessary since I don't have
one.

The rear seat does seem expensive but may include the labor for installation if
purchased with the vehicle.

>Are there other accessories which are worth having? I was wondering about the
>winch which some of you have pointed out is the Warn winch? Is there a
>particular color which holds up better than others? I don't really want the
>black or white but would prefer one of the "brighter" colors.

Most accessories are only worth having when you need them. If you think you
might go somewhere you'll get stuck or don't believe in turning back, get a
winch,
a pull strap, and a shovel (at least the latter two). A nice thing to put in the
hitch
receiver on a 90 is the receiver shackel mount from Warn. This item provides
an excellent attach point for recovery from the rear and includes a shackel.  A
set
of tow hooks for the front is a good idea as well (I'm still figuring out a good
way
to do this as I have the Warn 8000 which blocks access to the inner side of the
frame).

The other accessories, such as brush bar, etc., can be useful but are really in
the
"nice" or "want to have" category (nothing wrong with this, I admit having
them).
Otherwise, depending on where you might go, get a good first aid kit and
survival
kit. Actually, and this is sick, you can use a cellular phone from most peaks
and
west facing slopes in the Sierra. Dominoe's anyone?

In my opinion the most durable color is Coniston Green. The reason is that with
many exposed painted interior areas this color will be more forgiving with the
inevitable accumalation of dirt in nooks and crannies. Portofino Red would be
my next choice. Alpine White and AA Yellow are to be avoided and Buluga Black
will show the slightest scratch or ding. My opinion anyways.

- Stephen

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Stephen O'Hearn               1994        LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA         DEFENDER        -ROVER         on Public and |
| 72700.3262@compuserve.com      90     The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 07:55:30 +0200
From: peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at (Peter Kutschera)
Subject: Re:Steering Dampers and series Vehicles.

Hello!

:) For "road shimmy" and small bump kickback the preload of the swivels appears
:) to be much more critical than the damper, at least in my experience.

Can you please give some details how to adjust the preload of the swivels?
As I know the only adjustable thing is the tie rod (Hope this is the right 
word - I mean this steering thing between the two wheels).

BTW: I don't have a steering damper on my '68 SIIA 109 LWB.

Greetings, Peter
Signature: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR

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