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1 JDolan2109@aol.com 38Erratic Idling / Carb Spillage
2 rover@pinn.net (Alexande32I'm baaack
3 JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk21Tires for D-90
4 JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk22Les Wexner's D-90
5 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (50Re: To all those trying to attract attention....
6 LANDROVER@delphi.com 19Re: Discovery setup...
7 gpool@pacific.pacific.ne26Tyres for US D90s
8 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus13Re: Erratic Idling / Carb Spillage
9 gpool@pacific.pacific.ne317.50x16 Radial M&S Tyres
10 justfred@netcom.com (Fre31sIII parts
11 Keerock2@aol.com 55Into the D90 Pricing Discussion


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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:00:51 -0400
Subject: Erratic Idling / Carb Spillage

Chris Stevens and the LROD-
Seems that you wrote previously that you had rebuilt your carb. Did you
replace the needle and seat both? If not, examine (20x-30x) the mating
surfaces and determine there is no ridging or ringing that would allow fuel
to pass. Replace if possible, resurface if necessary. Did you check the top
cover for flattness? It can be resurfaced with emory cloth on a piece of
glass. Very  time consuming and 'third worldish,' but adequate. Certainly new
gaskets were fitted? This is my guess: When you're next in there, remove the
float and, holding it near your ear, gently shake it. If you hear petrol in
there, then the problem is found. The float, having taken on additional
weight in the form of petrol, no longer behaves properly, even though every
thing else checks out. If this is the case, replacement with new or good used
is best. You can locate the a float leak by holding the float submerged in
near boiling water. The temp. difference will cause a stream of bubbles to
exit at the exact location. Repair is more difficult. First evacuate the
petrol. *NOT* with heat! Drill a  very small hole. Then solder one of the
wholes shut, and then the other. This will be found challenging, as the temp.
required for soldering will again induce a pressure difference and cause the
solder to be forced away from what you want to seal! Watch the additional
weight caused by excess solder build up! You don't want to create a fishing
sinker! Replacement is probably easiest. If the float is the problem - once
you fix it, we'll see if your throttle spindle is excessively worn as I don't
believe you can properly evaluate that yet.
Has anyone solved a leaky float problem with a silicon or other, similar
sealer?

And, to avoid another header - Does anyone also own Rover bicycles? It is my
understanding that the original 'Rover' was also the original (i.e. first)
chain drive bicycle!!
See 'ya on the old road...
Jim  61 88" HT / OD, 16's & 1 Bbl weber  (econobox?)
LR....quite possibly one of the best machiunes yet devised!

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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:54:07 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: I'm baaack

To quote the Grateful Dead, "...what a long strange trip its been."  My 
former service provider/mail manager program -Prodigy- began dropping 
messages and files into the void...ever since an "upgrade" last November.  
Finally they admitted that the improvement "bombed out" (a direct quote from 
the techie) everyone with less than DOS 5.  So I try InfiNet, less than 100 
meters from work - the advante being that I can go 'reason' with them via 
Louisville Slugger when things go awry.  Despite being a subset of the local 
newspaper cartel, "documentation" consisted of notes on torn-out notebook 
paper.  No connect options/protocol/etc. just go figure for yourself. Right.

Now I'm with a new provider (Pinnacle) complete with a new modem and 
software that (shudder) runs under Windows, supposedly with the capability 
to download full-motion video.  Spent the next several nights editing .INI 
files.  Seems I've uncovered (another) bug in Windows...I know it's not 
Rover related...but file this away incase you upgrade in the future.  I 
configured the new modem to COM 4 and IRQ 5...but if your box doesn't have a 
COM 3, Windows doesn't bother to go a lookin' for COM 4!  MS supposedly has 
a fix on their BBS.

Anyway...I've missed y'all.  Nice to be back.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 95 10:27:00 -0400
Subject: Tires for D-90

Hi People,

In response to Russ Burns search for 265/75R-16 BFG MT's, the first shop
I called has 12 in stock.  I opened the current issue of Four Wheeler to
an add from National Tire and Wheel in Wheeling WV.  I have dealt with
these people in the past, they do a good job.  They also list the AT
version in the add, but I didn't ask if they were in stock.  ($152 ea for
MT, $146 for AT)

In case you are interested, (and want to save the $3.50 on the magazine)
their phone is 800-847-3287.

Jim Cirbus

(or to Stephen Thomas, the guy who is too lazy to use the S-H-I-F-T)

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From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 95 10:28:00 -0400
Subject: Les Wexner's D-90

Hi people,

What Pierce Reid neglected to tell you about that green D-90 that he is
buying from Mr. Wexner, is that half the town of New Albany would like to
let the air out of his tires.  Les is in the process of turning a sleepy
little central Ohio town into a premier community for the rich of
Columbus.  You know the type, you pass a Range Rover LWB in your series,
and they don't wave, or even give you a second look!

That's ok Pierce.  When you go to pick up your D-90, just drive about 10
miles north to Sunbury.  Up here, the folks are nice, you just have to
get used to hearing the question:  Hey, what kind of jeep is that?

Jim Cirbus

P.S. Stephen Thomas... did you see?  Even my E-mail address SHOUTS!

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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:52:23 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract attention....

William Callocia wrote: 

>New LR Owners have channels, though not end-to-end electronic, to get 
thier
>LR product questions answered:
>     If you've purchased from NEW  or direct channels a late-model Land
>     Rover product, you have access to a large dealer network who 

should
>     be able to answer any question pertaining to those products.
>All LR Owners have after market channels
>     If your inquiries deal with NON-LR products or aftermarket items, 

then
>     you are well aware, or should be well aware that there are any 
number of
>     automotive accessory manufacturers dedicated to serving the LR 
enthusiest,
>     without regard to the year, make or model of the vehicle.  
>All LR Owners have after market channels
Hope this gets through in reasonable form.  Needing to jump through a 
few electronic hoops to get where I want to go.

Anyway.  Just a quick comment on your above remarks.  They seem to me to 
have a UK bias to them and most of the E-mail on this subject seems to 
have come from North American contributors reflecting a large 
frustration over here.  I have a hell of a time at dealers here just 
tracking down the most common parts because none of them in my area 
really know the LR product (for example, they don't even know what wader 
plugs are, no one has a clue about aluminium hardtop fitting, etc.).  
Furthermore there's not really all that many aftermarket suppliers over 
here.  So I can understand a strong desire to get information direct 
from LR.

BUT, having said that,

I must say I rather agree with your long lecture, although more from the 
simple view that knowbody knows who this person is.  Would anyone here 
want to be mistakenly treated as though they were a LR rep?

Now back to actual Land Rover discussion....

Cheers,

Jeremy Bartlett

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 13:48:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Discovery setup...

Dave..
RE: the "air bag" jack.. Check with your local fire dept/rescue squad and
see if they have a source. My dad was an EMT with the VFD where he lives.
They use - or used to use - those bags in rescue operations. Mike
Fredette's comments on punctures is valid.. I remember my dad talking about
that being a problem.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:15:50 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool)
Subject: Tyres for US D90s

Defender Ninety Owners:

I have watched a lot of messages about tyres for D90s hurled about here on
the LRO list.  It sounds like the 265/75R16 size is of limited availability
and that inevitably drives up the price.  Has any of you considered going to
a 235/85R16? This tire is about the same overall diameter as the 265/75 and
very widely avaiable.  You'd then have a much greater selection of tire
styles and brands and could shop for price.  And, unless you drive in soft
sand primarily (in which case you certainly don't want mud terrains), you
will improve off-road and, I dare say, on-road performance in most
situations.  Another alternative would be 255/85R16 which would be
marginally narrower and a little taller.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Granville B. Pool, aka "Daktari" and a few less polite names
Redwood Valley, CA  gpool@pacific.pacific.net
(707)485-7220 (home) (707)463-4265 (work)
'73 Land-Rover Series III 88" hardtop (and several more Land-Rovers)
'92 Dodge Dakota 4x4, '5? Austin Champ (military 4x4 w/Rolls engine)
'86 Peugeot 505 Turbo, '75 BMW 3.0Si, '81 Fiat Spider, etc.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Erratic Idling / Carb Spillage
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 95 12:55:57 EDT

> Has anyone solved a leaky float problem with a silicon or other, similar
> sealer?

Silicone positively will not work, but JB-weld might do the trick.  (I've
had some on a m/c gastank for years, no leaks yet.)

rd/nige

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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:29:38 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool)
Subject: 7.50x16 Radial M&S Tyres

LROs looking for 7.50x16 Radial tyres that are affordable:

Some of you may have seen a posting, on the LRO list, a while back, that the
Cooper Discoverer ST (I think that's the one) mud-terrain style radial tire
is available in 7.50x16 size, at a semi-affordable price.

I just spotted another one that might be of interest.  Pick up the latest
(May) issue of Road & Track magazine at the newsstand.  Look on Page 128, at
the last page of the Tire Rack ad.  This page is devoted to tyres for
off-road vehicles and other light trucks.  They are showing a Dunlop range
called the Radial Rover RT which has a rain/snow style center and aggressive
square block mud-type edges.  Interesting-looking tyre.  The 7.50x16D is
listed at $102; the 235/85x16E is listed at $104.  There are several other
sizes listed as well.

It's not listed in the Tire Rack ad, but I know that Firestone also makes a
mud-terrain radial tire (Steeltex ATX 23-degree) in 7.50x16.

Cheers,

Granville B. Pool, aka "Daktari" and a few less polite names
Redwood Valley, CA  gpool@pacific.pacific.net
(707)485-7220 (home) (707)463-4265 (work)
'73 Land-Rover Series III 88" hardtop (and several more Land-Rovers)
'92 Dodge Dakota 4x4, '5? Austin Champ (military 4x4 w/Rolls engine)
'86 Peugeot 505 Turbo, '75 BMW 3.0Si, '81 Fiat Spider, etc.

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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 16:13:48 -0800
From: justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald)
Subject: sIII parts

You wrote:
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 13:14:59 PDT
>From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>send me an-email with your requirements.
>Mark

0.  Is it a SIII or an SIIA?  I didn't know there was a IIIa.

1.  Why are you going to break it apart?  Seems sad, is there some
overwhelming reason?

2.  Assuming you are, you say the trans is good, is that one of the parts
you need, or one for sale?  If it's available I'd me interested.  I've been
waiting about a year for a trans for my beast.  (Too cheap to buy a new
one, taking that long to get parts and rebuild the old one).  I need a SIII
trans, preferably with lotsa miles left on her...

Thanks!

Fred Heald                                      justfred@netcom.com
WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ju/justfred/fred.html
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From: Keerock2@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 00:41:19 -0400
Subject: Into the D90 Pricing Discussion

Something's been bugging me ...

The "LRs are the best vehicle in the world" theme from this group strikes me
as very irreconcilable with the recent complaints about U.S. D90 pricing (and
the general "Yuppie" hacks of late).  RRs in the U.S. *are* $55,000+ luxury
vehicles, completely fitted with leather and wood and all.  Are we then
surprised when they get a reputation as elitist's vehicles?  As for the
Disco, LR's own advertising pushes it as the ultimate family vehicle.  It
should be no surprise, then, that it gets the reputation as a grocery-getter.
 The D90, on the other hand, is put in an awkward situation ... not "plush"
yet very pricey and very laden with quality in its own way.  Because of its
price, many who buy it must use it as a day-to-day vehicle.  Then they're
labeled as "Yuppie-ish" because they drive a $30,000 vehicle.  Can't win for
losing.

I'm happy that a vehicle of such a superior quality is available in the U.S.
 Sure, $30k for a bare-bones mobile is a lot, but chalk a lot of that up to
Uncle Sam's tariffs.  Would I love to get a D90 for the low-$20ks like a
Wrangler ... you bet!!  However, I'd rather see LR keep the quality (and the
price) than for them to sell out for the high school student market (a la
Wrangler).  Wait until the econo-Rover rumored to come out in '97 hits the
streets.  New *and* old Rover owners will be rolling up next to the new
raised-econoboxes-with-pretend-4WD and shaking their heads saying they
remember the "Good old days" when the Land Rover emblem meant something.  Put
another way, we don't see car makers like Jaguar putting out little cheap
cars.  It's not their role and it would hurt their company.  Jaguar means
luxury and comfort.  Land Rover should mean quality and unsurpassed offroad
ability.  Undoubtedly Rover will be trying to cash in on their reputation if
they put out their little mobile.  However, they shouldn't forget that
they'll also be irreversibly damaging LR by destroying the assurances that
come with the LR name.  And if you wanna see a mess, wait until all those
"new" LR owners start dumping onto this list ("What's a 'winch???'").

Besides, aren't there enough U.S. and Japanese companies that put out crappy
little cheap 4WDs??

My point is only that I'd rather see quality at a high price.  Somehow the
cliche "You get what you pay for" seems appropriate.  There should be no
cheap-but-new option with LR.  Those who don't wanna put out the cash for a
new one should dig up a nice Series to make sure they can get the high
quality for what they want to spend.  

And no, I'm not the covert LR rep.  :-)

-Dean J. Silliman
-Lake Arrowhead, CA, USA

PS - I spent part of a day last week in someone's brand new $65,000 Hummer
and I'd take a D90 at even money every time.

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