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1 | William Caloccia [calocc | 115 | [not specified] |
2 | "Steve Methley" [sgm@hpl | 15 | Re: Which tyres? |
3 | azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo | 19 | LRNA reps etc. |
4 | Stephen Thomas [THOMSE-U | 27 | Tyres et al...... |
5 | Stephen Thomas [THOMSE-U | 26 | Movies, Movies, Movies.... |
6 | "Lapa, Hank" [hlapa@Zeus | 15 | Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR e |
7 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 10 | Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... |
8 | "Jeff Young" [young@mci. | 23 | [not specified] |
9 | JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk | 24 | D-90 Prices |
10 | GuyEVER@aol.com | 16 | RR Waterpump, need help. |
11 | vortex@worldaccess.nl (B | 13 | Re: SIIA Parts for sale |
12 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 16 | D-90 prices |
13 | labranch@sybase.com (Jas | 19 | Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... |
14 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 96 | Discovery setup... |
15 | chris.youngson@deepcove. | 13 | NEW SUBSCRIBER/AMATEUR RADIO |
16 | Solihul@aol.com | 13 | Re:one lead alternators |
17 | "Lapa, Hank" [hlapa@Zeus | 30 | " ... outside looking in ..." |
18 | brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo | 14 | Re: QUESTIONS ON D-90 |
19 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 33 | Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees. |
20 | "Lapa, Hank" [hlapa@Zeus | 17 | High-Aspect Ratio Tires |
21 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 16 | D-90 tires |
22 | brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo | 19 | Re: The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! |
23 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 86 | Re: Discovery setup... |
24 | Bill Yerazunis [crash@co | 14 | The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! |
25 | Mike Fredette [mfredett@ | 24 | [not specified] |
26 | "Lapa, Hank" [hlapa@Zeus | 12 | Another Movie Sighting |
27 | gpool@pacific.pacific.ne | 147 | Snow Run One, Part 4 |
28 | Solihul@aol.com | 18 | Re: traction control, on the cheap |
29 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 24 | Re: HELP !! RUST |
30 | "Paul Nash [paul@frcs.al | 69 | [not specified] |
31 | Pierce Reid [70004.4011@ | 22 | Bought D90 -- what a deal! |
32 | "David McKain" [MCKAIN@f | 22 | Craddock, Tailgates |
33 | Solihul@aol.com | 12 | yet another movie |
34 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 16 | Re: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) |
35 | Sanna@aol.com | 16 | Re: The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! |
36 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 63 | Re: To all those trying to attract the a |
37 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 81 | A pair of events... |
38 | DAFREE@aol.com | 31 | Introduction, etc. |
39 | Mike Fredette [mfredett@ | 46 | [not specified] |
40 | rover@pinn.net (Alexande | 14 | Test |
41 | Julianbak@aol.com | 9 | Re: #3(3) The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
42 | "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" [7 | 20 | tyres |
43 | rlarson@lsil.com (Rick L | 33 | Re: D-90 prices |
44 | danielg@eskimo.com (Dani | 24 | Re: D90 costs |
45 | rlarson@lsil.com (Rick L | 9 | Re: D-90 tires |
46 | "Russell G. Dushin" [dus | 20 | Re: Overdrives...wha' happa'? |
47 | Richard Jones [rich@apri | 22 | [not specified] |
48 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 21 | Re: Shocks (USA) for LR IIA 88 ? |
49 | Mike Fredette [mfredett@ | 24 | [not specified] |
50 | "Steven Swiger (LIS)" [s | 18 | Re: Overdrives...wha' happa'? |
51 | mccauley@hba.trumpet.com | 43 | YES It's still Stuck... |
52 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 32 | Re: buying land rover for use in UK |
53 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 15 | Re: To all those trying to attract the a |
54 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 36 | Re: Introduction, etc. |
55 | RICKCRIDER@aol.com | 18 | Re: NEW SUBSCRIBER/AMATEUR RADIO |
Subject: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 07:21:38 -0400 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com> Now I know a lot of folks aren't going to like what I'm about to say, but at least read it and instead of looking after your own selfish interests, think about what it would be like if you were in this person's shoes... With regards to the questions, the theories, the speculation, the investigation, the tabloid reporting, the 'open letters', the attempts to 'OUT' this person from their closet: I've found this behaviour to be somewhat juvinile, VERY self centered and rather disrespectful. It falls somewhere _past_ curious, more toward being VULTURES, hovering about, trying to coax the person out of the shell waiting (or not) to innundate them with questions from the Mundane to the Innane, to the intrusive (with regards to LRNA plans). Personally I'd recommend that if anyone was associated with Solihull, or it's affiliates in the UK or International, or even just a Dealer or approved service shop, that they NOT make them selves known to the list. Why ? see below. Now being on the net can be a great comms link, and it can also be a real pain in the butt, and at this point, if there were just one guy, and it doesn't really matter if it were _the_last_guy_*, even the janitor... the punters on this list, carrying on as they are now, would make his being known as a guy from LR, e-mail hell. Why ? becuase you're not treating him as a person, you're not respecting his rights/privacy/him... you're holding him up as the end-all and the be-all of LRNA. So grow up kids. If you've got burning issues for LRNA, then put 'em to paper and post 'em and stop hurling this trash at alleged readers of the list. Cheers, --bill caloccia@Team.Net <web: "http://www.senie.com/billc/"> caloccia@Stratus.Com 1 3 dl OD L "Land Rover's first, because |--|--+ o | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 R ul N H '72 Range Rover *to truely undertand the concept of 'the last guy' dig out a vinyl copy of Arlo Guthrie's song "The Pause of Mr. Clause" (if I got the title correct) WHY ? if you still don't get it keep reading... There is no need to hassle this person with _YOUR_ questions.... - ------------ preaching mode = on: New LR Owners have channels, though not end-to-end electronic, to get thier LR product questions answered: If you've purchased from NEW or direct channels a late-model Land Rover product, you have access to a large dealer network who should be able to answer any question pertaining to those products. If you run into the uncaring Jaguar/Volvo/Honda/Mercedes/BWM or whatever salesman/service manger, etc. at your local dealer, than it is in your best interest to put your constructive comments as to how LR can improve their dealer base from screen to paper and mail it off to the national importer. As it would appear with most companies, even most computer companies, they are much more adept at handling paper and are much more willing to send off your paper note with appropriate attachements down the food chain and follow up on your complaints in a timely fashion. With regards to present or future plans of the LR company Who is to say that the person you are so desperately seeking is actually privy to some specific action ? If they were, they are certainly obliged not to publicize things unoffically. I would expect most of the professionals on this list should at least have some concept of this, and would be kind enough to extend courtesy letting other maintain their confidentiality. Questions about the suitability of LR part X for application Y: If you want to modify your LR with some other (LR) part, go ahead, do so at your own risk and buy the parts from whomever you please. Undoubtedly your national LR parts supplier can supply _any_ current LR part in their books. If YOU choose to apply it in a manner not sanctioned by the factory do you think that any punter from some LR subsidiary is obliged to provide personal engineering consultancy ? If you tossed these questions out to the list, you'd probably get no different an answer, and without a doubt it would be quicker, just don't be daft and ask for the engineering drawings, eh ? Series Owners Questions I don't know why you'd think that LR might be forsaking the owners of Series vehicles, with most of the parts still available as LR spares *through the appropriate channels* (Which by my understanding, in North America, Rovers North is the offical Importer of Series repair parts... not LRNA), and as Statesides folks are well aware the importer of Series vehicles into the US closed its doors _decades_ ago. If you've owned your series for any amount of time, then by now you've found parts distributors, and if you lack the means, a mechanic. All LR Owners have after market channels If your inquiries deal with NON-LR products or aftermarket items, then you are well aware, or should be well aware that there are any number of automotive accessory manufacturers dedicated to serving the LR enthusiest, without regard to the year, make or model of the vehicle. ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:28:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Which tyres? Mike says: >got a set of Trakker 205 16 remoulds on mine,with no problems >so far.They give good grip in such mud as I've been in,are >fine on road and are wearing well....... You can get Trakkers in 7.50x16 too for your 109". Steve. ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: LRNA reps etc. Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:23:41 UNDEFINED >front, I don't think Land Rovers are for everyone and I'm sure LR >themselves agree with me - they target customers by creating a product [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >Jeep-competitor (in that $-range, I mean) in the US, they would have >already. My hope is that in the future, LR (and LRNA) would really listen Here, I have a 90. If I end up in the US, they wouldnt even be under consideration at teh ridiculous prces they're pitched at. LR are aiming purely at teh Yuppie market, not teh work tool market they fill over here. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk> Date: 6 Apr 95 11:47:48 GMT Subject: Tyres et al...... Hi all, Mike, could you give me some more info on those Trakker remoulds you have, I saw some Trakker's on a SIII recently and thought they looked pretty good. I have some 7.50" x 16" Goodyear Hi-Milers on at the moment but I'd like something a bit more toothy, the Goodyear are crossplies as well, and I'd rather have radial. If you could tell me what tyres you had before and whether or not the Trakkers are better/quieter etc? Also you say they haven't worn much, how many miles have you done so far? On another note, I asked this a while ago so I'm sorry if I'm asking the unanswerable, does anyone know of a rheostat operated oil pressure sender for a Smiths electric oil pressure guage, like the electric fuel and temperature senders and not one that is pressure operated from the oil system? It'd be handy as I have the guage and wouldn't have to fiddle with fitting the T-piece. Cheers all Stephen p.s. James Cirbus.......STOP SHOUTING!..... ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk> Date: 6 Apr 95 11:56:57 GMT Subject: Movies, Movies, Movies.... Sorry I should have attached this to the last message. Didn't remember seeing it on the list of Movie sightings... Gorillas in the Mist - Sigourney Weaver When Dian Fossey first arrives in Africa the guy she got the research post from drags her off the plane, over to a nice 109 tells her that all the levers are because it's a four wheel drive and also how to operate a non-synchro gearbox: "Clutch in, First, clutch out, Second" Personally I don't see how this equates with double clutching, however. One problem, its in the late 60's (can't remember exactly) and the 109 has a SIII grill, but who really cares about continuity? Other Land-Rover's can be spotted, including the one Ms Weaver chases in reverse to speak to the Wildlife Commission chap, no reverse 180 though... Stephen ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 06:57:46 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com> Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR e Like I said, good headwork on his part, remaining hidden that is. Hank > Subject: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR emplo > Author: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com> at Zeus > Subject: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... [ truncated by lro-lite (was 140 lines)] > automotive accessory manufacturers dedicated to serving the LR enthusiest, > without regard to the year, make or model of the vehicle. ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 14:19:24 BST All this,of course,assumes that there is anyone there at all...... Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 09:32:11 -0400 From: "Jeff Young" <young@mci.net> >So grow up kids. If you've got burning issues for LRNA, then put 'em to >paper and post 'em and stop hurling this trash at alleged readers of the >list. There is contact information in the new registry for landrover.com. I sent a message to postmaster@landrover.com asking "since lrna has registered this domain, will lrna have a presence for information on the Internet?" unfortunately, the mail bounced - which i reported to this group. If you have the time, i suggest that you phone the contact directly and leave the "lurker" on this list alone. At least the contact will be reached at work. to find the phone number: whois -h rs.internic.net landrover.com nuff said Jeff Young young@mci.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 10:02:00 -0400 Subject: D-90 Prices Greetings, With all the prices going back and forth, I thought I would add my two cents worth. I was originally on the infamous Discovery waiting list. After many discussions with my dealer here, my wife and I settled on a demo D-90 off the lot. The truck had 600 miles on it. It came equipped with safari cage, windows, top, rear light protectors and A/C. We got this neat little package for about what Benjamin Smith listed as Dealer Invoice. The dealer insisted that they were only making enough to pay the salesman his $600. I guess what they didn't say is they were sick and tired of my daily badgering, and were willing to give up their profits to get me out of their showroom. Jim Cirbus ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GuyEVER@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:01:49 -0400 Subject: RR Waterpump, need help. Looks like I am going to have to replace the waterpump on my 1988 Range Rover (3.5). No noise just a leak of undeterminable source. I'm still hoping for a hose squirting water at an odd angle and that being the source of the water, but I believe that is just wishful thinking. What I'm wondering about is the appx cost of a water pump and a good source for one. Seems like I read a post about it being a though job, but it looks pretty straight forward to me. Anyway, suggestions and help would be appreciated. Thanks, Guy ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:07:34 +0200 From: vortex@worldaccess.nl (Bert Palte) Subject: Re: SIIA Parts for sale >Just bought a good SIIA station wagon >Anyway I'm breaking it up in a few weeks if anyone is interested in any parts, >send me an-email with your requirements. I'm interested, but I wonder, where are you located? Bert Palte Holland, Europe 1964 Series IIA 88" Petrol, ex-British Army. ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: D-90 prices Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 8:39:10 PDT The Land Rover dealership in Detroit sell its demo units for 25.9K. This is with full cage, soft top, windows, and aluminum wheels. I have seen a couple of these advertised, and picked one up myself. As for the comparsion with the Jeep, A jeep runs 14 to 22K, and I didn't mind paying an extra 6 to 8k for a "truck" with an aluminum body. Russ 94 D-90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 09:31:00 PDT From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... Wow Bill! You feel very strongly about this; about as strong as Jory felt about Pierre's paper. ;-> From the amount of time you put into that letter, [uurrp ! Jason's drivil on the subject undigestable... -wpc] So, my message to this person: Come join use, have a beer, sit down and chat, it is warm in here, we are talking about Rovers and stuff, meet the gang. Jason LaBranch Software Engineer (those stupid titles) Sybase, Inc. ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 09:59:54 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Discovery setup... FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Discovery setup... Robert, 1. I put my owners manual in the passenger door pocket. I think I had it in the glove compartment before though, are you *sure* it won't fit? I don't keep mine there because of all the... uh... "necessities" in the glove box. 2. What's a snow scraper? ;-) I live in Arizona! As for "the club" I don't golf. But seriously... I keep a rag and an umbrella just to the right of the drivers seat, between the transmission console and the seat. Fits nicely on a kind of ledge there. (Hey, what's an English vehicle without an umbrella?) "Club" may fit as well. 3. Offroad things... now there's a real need for a storage place! I keep all my offroad "junk" in a large plastic bin in the garage, and put it in the truck when leaving for the trail. It "used" to slide around a LOT in the back and bounce a lot too until I discovered that if you fold the jump seats DOWN, the box gets nicely wedged between them. I heard of another Disco owner who found a complete tool set from Sears that fit nicely in the rear door pocket. Of course, your kids won't be able to "ride in the trunk" (as my kids call it) on the "safari seats". (Kids... ya gotta LOVE 'em!) Your cargo net idea sounds good. I "complained" to Charles... (forgot his last name) from LRNA about the lack of a tie down location for such things in the rear. He made a note of it, maybe for '96? 4. Coffee mug, (or tea, depending on how "English" you want to be in your "English" rig) now I'm a MAJOR coffee drinker, and carry a LARGE cup to work each day, and refill as soon as I get there. It would NO WAY fit the cup holder, and I hold onto mine, but will place it on the automatic trans console whilst (hey, I'm getting the "nick" of the "English" language, no?) I get into the vehicle. Many places sell the mugs (with lids) that fit into the cup holders. Check the department stores, of any "coffee house" (tea palace?). One time some @#$-#$%- pulled out in front of me, I was in the center of 3 lanes, he/she (don't know) pulled out whilst I was going around 55mph, not into the closest lane, but into mine. So I quickly checked my mirror and moved into the left lane, they KEEP COMING OVER right in front of me!! By this time, I was 15-20 feet (5-7 meters) behind them and after JUST missing them, bouncing off the raised median, I ALMOST (REALLY REALLY ALMOST) rolled my "new" Disco, and required ALL 3 lanes to regain control! Tires squealed as coffee flew ALL OVER the interior! I think I probably even had 1 or 2 tires in the air as the Disco rocked from side to side of the 3 lane highway! My pants were wet! (I think it was coffee.) :-O Thank God for leather seats, they cleaned up easily. Did I learn? No, I still "gotta have my coffee"!! 5. The hydraulic jack has helped me one time when I got both front wheels in the air, and the frame resting on a LARGE rock. I had to jack it up, place rocks under, and re-jack with a rock under the jack to get enough lift. Not fast, but crudely effective. A hi-lift type jack would have been much better, provided there's a place to use it on the Discovery. Possible mounting locations would be on a "safari roof rack", behind the rino bar, or vertically somehow on the rear bumper, or maybe behind the spare tire (tyre) somehow. The radio buzz is something I've noticed too, probably a "normal" thing. All in all, a TOTALLY worthy off road vehicle. I have had a few problems though, (ABS not working, Alarm/door locks went out, sun roof wouldn't open, rear main seal leaked, valve cover gaskets leaked, starter replaced, sun roof screen latch broke, etc...) EVERYTHING has been replaced or repaired by the dealer under warranty. They even provide a free rental car while mine's getting repaired. Awesome customer service! I WOULD have to admit though, it seems like quality control with the Land Rover doesn't come close to the (gulp!) "Japanese junk" being sold. Even so, there IS NO COMPARISON!! ONE TOUGH RIG!! However, the rear lens guards aren't worth the double stick tape they're attached with! (That's right! TAPE!!! And one screw.) I lost one to a tree branch (most likely, but no way to tell for sure.) and the dealer wants around $280 for the pair. I refuse to pay that much for something that poorly designed. I complained about this too to LRNA. The good news is that I might have a line on getting a replacement for no cost. (Fingers crossed!) Dave Brown - '94 Land Rover Discovery 15,000 miles - Phoenix Arizona (USA) #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: chris.youngson@deepcove.com Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 11:00:16 Subject: NEW SUBSCRIBER/AMATEUR RADIO Nice to see there are more hams in the L/R frat. My call is VE7CST and QTH is West Vancouver, British Columbia. A couple of years ago a had alot of dealings with SGC (They are farely local to me) There equipment is mil-spec I believe. The antenna mount you speak of is fantastic. When coupled with there automatic matcher it creates a setup that can't be beat. I can answer specifics if you like I have all the brochures, etc. here. 73 DE VE7CST chris.youngson@deepcove.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Solihul@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:38:47 -0400 Subject: Re:one lead alternators David John Place in Manitoba said he'd seen a one lead alternator for $90.00. I found a rebuilder who converts delcos to one lead (they say 'one wire' down here) and sold me one for $35.00US, plus a $10 core charge. Try finding a rebuilder who does ag-indust work. Eggs *are* cheaper in the country; this rebuilder's place was a converted chicken house behind his home. I'd have been put off, except he came well recommended. John Dillingham, Woodstock GA SerIII 88 ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 13:41:57 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com> Subject: " ... outside looking in ..." Jason, Someone said recently that over 300 are now subscribed -- but how many are "regulars" (familiar names)? The rest, lurkers all, make you uncomfortable? Not me. Live and let lurk. It's obvious on a regular basis that we eat our young. (We Series guys cook 'em on the radiator grill!) We've got readers and posters who don't even have a Rover, yet or ever -- They must REALLY be on the outside looking in, nicht wahr? The mystery lurker has *already* been bombarded. Let's move on to an alternate target, shall we? OK now, someone mentioned beer....? Hank, Mechanical Engineer (those with quick but crude minds may fill in "erection" joke here) "the only thing worse than a stupid title is one that's a contradiction in terms." ;-) > Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR e > Author: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) at Zeus > From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) > Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... [ truncated by lro-digester (was 56 lines)] > Software Engineer (those stupid titles) > Sybase, Inc. ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:51:29 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ON D-90 Re oil filters I think the Fram hp-1 is the only alternative I've found for the RR (which uses the same filter as the D-90 I suspect) other than the Crossman ones I've bought from Atlantic British. However the new LR official ones are not badly priced from the dealers now -- I used one of those last time. Cheers John Brabyn ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:51:13 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees. In message <199504061636.RAA04792@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Jason LaBranch writes: > Here is my thang: There is no reason he/she should not make an > introduction to us. I am not affraid to tell people what I do [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > for a living, and I am not going to put one of those stupid disclaimers > at the end of my message either. Reading the HUGE pile of e-mails on this subject..... It reads to me like a witch hunt buy an number of people trying to sweet talk someone out into the open so they could lynch him. If it was me, I'd hide. Something is bound to come up to make people forget about this witch hunt. But if it was me I would be recognizable as having a US spec 110 reboddied into a 2 door version. Since I have an aging 109 & an apple.com address, it can't be me. I just get to deal with Land Rover & British car subscribers wanting to know what computer to purchase or with operating systems questions. So.. Hey Dixon, what do you think about Defenders?...Mike, what do you think about Dixon? Maybe we can change the subject! Maybe Nute is lurking and getting ready to close down the US internet backbone so save up more money to give to rich people? TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 13:53:45 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com> Subject: High-Aspect Ratio Tires Of possible interest to those who like tall, narrow tires for their snow qualities, these are what I've been running since about 1988: Daytona Radial Stag M/S LT235R16 Radial 4-ply tread (2 poly, 2 steel) 2-ply sidewall Like I said earlier, not sure of present availability, but a real aggressive self-cleaning tread that looks the part fer sure. Hank the Yank ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: D-90 tires Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 12:26:54 PDT It seems that there is a shortage on BFGoodrich 265/75R16 tires. My local tire dealer couldn't locate them anywhere. So we are looking at some other brands. I never realized that I might have a problem finding tires for the beast. Any one running different size/brands on their D-90? I am looking for an AT type tread, but still plan to abuse them. (I have more trees to drag out) Russ Burns D-90 with 4 out of 5 tires 91 R-Rover with all 5 tires. ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 12:49:25 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! Probably it's the same jack as supplied with RRs, which is a good one, EXCEPT I had a bad experience with it a couple of weeks ago when I had just got unstuck and found I had a flat; I was jacking up the wheel when the jack suddenly stopped pumping! The arm wanted to push itself back up again every time I pushed it down ! I guess the non-return valve stopped working! After a few minutes of panic, collecting rocks to put under it and getting ready to dig a hole under the wheel, it cured itself! If any of you jack experts know what happened and how I can prevent prevent a recurrence, I'd be grateful! I will check the oil level in it but don't know if that would cause the problem anyway. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 11:42:19 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Re: Discovery setup... FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Re: Discovery setup... Robert, Let's see how good my ascii art is, shall we??? High lift jack: ___ | O | \ | O | \ | O | \ \ | O | \ \ ------- \ \_| |____' < This is a flat lip that lifts the vehicle. \--|-----| (the handle goes off the screen on the opposite side.) | O | ------------- "Normally" the "lip" part of the jack fits underneath a bumper, and the jack (being from 4 to 5 feet tall) is next to the vehicle. Kind of like the "old bumper jacks" that American cars had in the '60's and '70's. The problem is where to place it on a modern car/truck without it slipping off the lip and falling. One advantage of a high lift jack is it's ability to be used as a winch. (As well as it's length.) I saw what looked like a REALLY neat jack in an issue of LRO magazine, it was a large "air bag" thing that fit to the exhaust pipe, and filled with exhaust, lifting up to 4 tons or so. (depending on model.) This looked like it'd be VERY handy! Imagine getting dug into sand, slide this little puppy under your rig, start her up, and voilla! The add showed a Range Rover with both wheels in the air on one side. HAS ANYONE SEEN OR USED ONE OF THESE??? Please provide us with a performance report!! Dave Brown - '94 Discovery - Phoenix Arizona (USA) #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead *** Reply to note of 04/06/95 11:17 ========================================================================= Thu, 06 Apr 95 11:17:10 MST id AA20121; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:00:40 -0700 id OAA11547; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:15:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:15:23 -0400 id sma011504; Thu Apr 6 14:14:23 1995 X-Sender: rv01@pophost.gte.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi) Subject: Re: Discovery setup... David- Thanks for the input. Some of your suggestions will be tried out tonight. One or two specific comments . . . >I think I had it in >the glove compartment before though, are you *sure* it won't fit? it fit, but severely impeded use of the glove box. If things shifted, it was possible to cause a jam. Like you, I moved it. >5. >A hi-lift type jack would have >been much better, provided there's a place to use it on the Discovery. What does this mean? Why wouldn't there be a place to use it? I thought these jacks were pretty much all purpose, although I admit I've never seen one. Better do some more work before I go and buy one, I guess. Again, thanks for the tips. I'll be trying them out. -Bob rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. === +1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally! ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Bill Yerazunis <crash@concentra.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:00:47 +0500 Subject: The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! [John B. talks about how his jack stopped pumping with back pressure on the pump handle] Yup, that's dirt in the high-pressure check valve. Either clean it carefully, or ignore it. :-) -Bill ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: D-90 tires Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 13:24:01 -0700 From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> Russ asks, It seems that there is a shortage on BFGoodrich 265/75R16 tires. My local tire dealer couldn't locate them anywhere. So we are looking at some other brands. I never realized that I might have a problem finding tires for the beast. Any one running different size/brands on their D-90? I am looking for an AT type tread, but still plan to abuse them. (I have more trees to drag out) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the tires on the new 95 D90's, they have gotten rid of the Mud Terrains in favor of the less aggressive, ie quieter, BF Goodrich AT Radial All Terrain, same size as before though 265/75R16. I think these AT tires are easier to come by than the MT's but actually, I'm surprised to hear your even having trouble finding those. BFG's are readily available around here in Portland. Rgds Mike Fredette D90 Portland, Orygun ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 05:44:55 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com> Subject: Another Movie Sighting "Packin' It In" Typical Richard Benjamin / Paula Prentiss comedy about seeking a simpler life in the Pacific Northwest woods. Light green 88 becomes the new family car, of course. Amusing and watchable, but not especially memorable. Hanky ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:10:33 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Snow Run One, Part 4 Here, fellow netters, is Part 4 of the lastest escapades of the Mendocino Forest Land-Rovers Gnomes: At the end of Part 3 of our story about Snow Run One in the Mendocino National Forest, I told how we came to face the fact that we would have to return to the Rice Fork of the Eel River and repeat, in reverse, that dreaded-by-some crossing. Certainly, we were not going to get out over the pass and had to find some alternative. After we got back across the bridge over Bear Creek and headed back to the west, toward the Rice Fork, but maybe a third of a mile east of the Rice Fork crossing, we came to a turn-off for anther trail (17N04) which went south across Bear Creek (much smaller than the Rice Fork, let me tell you). We stopped and considered that possibility. This was the other end of a trail that we had tried on our previous outing, stopped by another creek crossing (where we ate our lunch). Saayyy, fellow travellers [a little aside]: It just dawned on me that that creek where we ate lunch on that previous trip had to have been the Rice Fork. So I just got out my forest map and--sure enough. Those who were on Scouting Outing One will recall that the trail forded right at a fork of the creeks and that we would have had to cross twice. The second crossing would have been over Salt Creek. That trail was a little tempting, as it crosses the waters of Bear Creek and Salt Creek separately and the Rice Fork near its headwaters where it is a lot smaller, without the water of these two creeks (not to mention Parramore Creek, Little Soda Creek, Rock Creek, and French Creek which 17N04 avoids entirely). Well, we were grasping at straws (or Strohs, no, that would have been Guiness). We eventually decided to go face "The devil we knew" rather than the another unknown one. So we found our reluctant selves back at the Indians' property and the treacherous waters of that little bitty branch of the might Eel. Well, we had learned a lot on the previous crossing. And we were determined to put our new-found smarts to good effect. So we made much better preparations this time, both to our rigs and to our team effort. Most, if not all of us put covers over our grilles. I, you'd better be*^*^*lieve it, re-routed my Dodge's air intake hose by wrapping it around behind the big, round air-filter, against the firewall. And I tied a tow strap on my A-arm and pulled it up over the hood and into the driver's side window. [Another correction note here: Ben pointed out that, when I was rescued before, it was not a tow strap that John and Mo attached to my A-arm, it was a big, fat (manilla?) rope that Ben had brought. I remember it now, Ben--lost my head.] And I hooked my heavy cable on the rear and pulled it up into the bed. I would be ready if I stalled, this time to effect a quick recovery before my interior became a fish tank. Jim took major precautions too. He covered his grille. He put a surgical glove over his oil breather (with the fingers tastefully arranged in an appropriate gesture, no doubt reflecting his healthy regard for the forces of nature). Some other clever preparations too, no doubt; maybe a mantra or two. I know I swore my undying devotion to the Bogaziti, before I dipped my proverbial toes back into the stew. We all took our time with our preparations before beginning to cross. We had learned: Ford in haste, repent at leisure!! Vance, I believe, went first, with no major trouble. He stalled once but got restarted and along under his own power to the other side. He then turned around and readied his winch for rescue of any who needed it. Ben stayed back and also prepared for rescue. Not needed, I'm very pleased to say. The first time we had crossed, some of our party bribed the landowners and hangers-on (mostly) with beer, to good effect. This time I had to contribute my buddy Chester, Chester Cheetah, that is. There were two darling little Indian children there to watch our every move and get under foot. They were right out of a Grace Hudson painting. As I was watching the crossings and awaiting my turn, the little girl (maybe, what, four or five) asked me, "How come you gotta bag of Cheetos in your truck?" I said, "Because I like them; would you like some?" Well, of course she would. I had long ago run out of film and the crossings were not nearly as foto-gin-ic this time anyway. So I went and got my bag of Cheetos (well, of course I did actually have SOME emergency rations, not just the floating sandwich). I offered each child the bag and he/she grabbed a huge double hand-full, spilling them all over the ground. After each had handsfull of Cheetos, I saw that it was about time for my turn at [gulp] dodging the ford. So I said, "Here, grab some more, I've got to go now. The boy again filled his hands to overflowing but the girl said, "Can I have the rest of the bag?" I said sure. The time had come: I hopped in my pickup and away into the deep water that was next to the east bank; at least, crossing in this direction, you know whether or not you're going to make it right away. This time, even my dodgey effort at crossing was uneventful. We all made it to the other side unaided. In large part due to better preparation but also due to our knowing that devil and having refined our fording skills. Some had learned to go a smidge more quickly, some a smidge more slowly. Some learned a better line (and Mo was once again there, knee-deep in the river, to point us in the right direction. Learning is good. learning is fun. I LIKE this school! Now that we were all across the river, we had prospects of something a lot better than beer and Cheetos. We were finally back on the restaurant side of the river! Of course, we weren't out of the woods and back to civilization yet. We still had a bunch of snowy hills to climb, ones that had given us just a bit of trouble on the way in, if you will recall, dear reader. Although we gamely spun, slipped, fishtailed, and slid a little, we actually did just fine and got back to Elk Mountain Road (pavement, what the heck is that?) without further incident and with a lot of very entertaining banter on the CBs (it was great that everyone had them). Once we were back at the edge of the paved road, we again lined up the Rovers for vapor lock. We all posed in front of the Rover-row for group fotos. We even had a moto-yahoo volunteer to snap one so we could all get in the frame. And of course we all huddled closely in front of my Dodge, to cut it from the shot. But hey, it DID get me back and WAS better than staying home. Sure, we were dog-tired and some of the group had a long way to drive home. But it was still early (yeah, we got out in broad daylight this time--hey, no one's perfect). So, when we got back to Upper Lake, we aired up our deflated tires, fueled our rigs, and fanned our inflated egos and warms afterglows. We convoyed over to Lakeport, to a nice little dinner restaurant on the lake (I mean, like, right by the lake, with sandbags, since the lake had risen so high). In we trooped, dirty, unshaven (well, I know, some of us never shave), and looking like we just crawled out of the mountains (well, so what, we DID just crawl out of the mountains). A couple of the fellows even had to keep their hats on to hide two days worth of "hat hair." And this restaurant has a real wine list and table cloths. No one seemed to mind. We sure didn't. Those of us who eat meat got big ol' New York steaks and devoured them with alactrity. And grins. In fact, our biggest problem, as we parted company on this trip, was our aching jaws from grinning from ear to ear for two whole days!! Even after we left the restaurant, we hung out together for some more discussion, sorting equipment, last-minute checks before heading home. Bruce and I headed back on Highway 20 to 101. The rest were going to convoy back over 29 through the Napa Valley. Before leaving, though, Vance had everyone who had an interior light turn it on for a couple of last pictures (Rovers only, I had to park out of the row). He shot toward the lake, the line of noble Land-Rovers against (partly in, actually) the water. Then he waded over toward the strand (under water and only visible due to the rails sticking up) and shot back toward Lakeport. How did those shots turn out, Vance? I hated to leave but really did need to get home and start catching up on my sleep. When I did sleep, that night, I dreamed good dreams. Very good. Can't wait to get back up there for the next run. Just can't buy fun like that. See you in the mountains! Granville ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Solihul@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 01:03:40 -0400 Subject: Re: traction control, on the cheap Trevor Easton writes "considered split braking system, like SAABs" Try this: LR brake shoes are self energizing, that is to say, the leading shoe will 'bite' into the drum as it is applied to a spinning drum to slow that drum down. Next time you're cross axled, in low range, foot off the clutch, with one rear wheel spinning, *gently* apply the brakes with the left foot. Don't let it stall. The spinning wheel should be slowed down, and the stopped wheel, should be able to move a little before its leading shoe begins to energize, because, as the brake shoe does its thing against the drum the diff will do its thing and transfer torque to the other wheel. This has worked for me in other vehicles and conditions (a VW Beatle in snow, in Dixie) but I've not yet had a chance to try it in my 88. regards, John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 19:29:41 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: HELP !! RUST William Smith <wills@SPLinux.spl.co.za> wrote: >chassis number is stencilled on my SIII 2,25l pup and discovered rust there. It is where the leaf spring mounting is welded to the chassis. The rust is +- 5 x 3 cm. *** small holes are visible ***. How do I go about fixing this ? I've got an arc welder and gas (oxy/acetylene) welding equipment. You don't mention if your frame is galvanized or not, I assume not. After removing any dirt, grease, and paint about the area, and breaking off loose rust, treat the rust with phosphoric acid. This is the same ingredient used in Naval Jelly, and available at paint stores here in the US. Phosphoric acid will replace the oxygen molecule that attached to iron in the creation of rust. The resulting surface will be ready for painting, or in your case, structural or cosmetic metal repair. Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest From: "Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>"@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 09:22:45 +1000 > Driving 2 x 109" SIII diesels from UK to South Africa. I've got _lots_ of advice for you (if you're at all interested). I'll try to summarise here, but if you want all the excrutiating detail, send me mail so as not to bore everyone else witless (unless they actually _want_ to be bored). I recently travelled about 7,000 km from RSA, via Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Malawi, Zambia, Botswana and back to RSA in a sIII diesel. I sold the Land Rover (sob; weep; wail) at the end of last year (and am now in Australia for a couple of years, trying desperately to figure out how to steal^H^H^H^H^Hobtain a 110 Tdi :-)). We travelled on roads ranging from good (RSA highways) to exciting (one road in particular, between the Luangwa and Petauke in Zambia, which took 8 hours to cover 100km and ruined my front springs). We also waded though the deep sand in Botswana. This was on vanilla 750x16 retread crossply tires, without any problems. They still have plenty of tread by the time that we got back, and new retreads are cheap anyway -- about R200 each (say GBP 40 each). We had very few problems with punctures, but spare tubes and patches are a good idea, as is getting all your tires removed & replaced before you leave (to make manual removal easier). Now for the unsolicited stuff: if you have four-leaf springs, replace them with the multi-bladed springs. LR used to ship "heavy-duty" springs to Africa, and they crack and break. Go over you springs to look for cracks and broken blades, and lubricate them _and the shackle pins_. It'll make replacement easier :-). Take a few spare shackes/pins, plus maybe even the two long blades (or a block of wood to go between the axle and bump-stop). Take a spare set of injector pipes (or two sets) -- they crack from the vibration on bad roads. The only major problems we had were springs and injector pipes. On rutted roads, drop your tire pressures. The mechanic who replaced my springs in Petauke explained that most foreigners run at 30 psi or so, and crack springs. Locals run at 20 psi, and have a smoother ride. Your mileage may vary :-). Don't expect to get a very high price for your Land Rover in SA. I sold a SIII diesel 109 hardtop, with roofrack, spare parts & wheels, jerry cans, ammo boxes, pick & shovel, etc, etc, and had _very_ few people interested and even fewer prepared to pay much. You're _very_ unlikely to get more than R20,000 (GBP 4,000) and are likely to get less :-(. It'd cost you about R10,000 per vehicle to ship back to the UK, so you may consider that option. Make sure that you trip goes via Lake Maclear in Malawi, and stay at the Golden Sands there -- it is a wonderful place to chill out for a few days. Try to get to the South Luangwa reserve, and if so, stay at the Flat Dogs campsite just outside the reserve. The owner (Jake) is an ecologist, and knows an enormous amount. Whatever else you do, go through Botswana, and travel through Chobe and the other reserves. _Don't_ leave your shoes outside, as the hyenas will eat them (happened to me!). Get a copy of the Loney Planet "Africa on a Shoestring", and take lots of small denomination US$ notes in cash -- we never needed to bribe anyone, but there were lots of hidden entry/exit costs whenever we crossed borders. Credit cards are pretty much useless, except in major centres. Good luck, and enjoy the trip -- I really envy you! paul ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 07 Apr 95 09:19:34 EDT From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: Bought D90 -- what a deal! Well, I finally bought a D90. Used, but with only 800 (yes, only 800) miles Coniston Green, many options including A/C, (though I am not sure a LR should *have* a/c.), brush guards, fender protectors, full softtop (gray) , alloys, side bars, etc. Never been off road. It was $25.9K... I pick it up in about 10 days... Used to belong to Les Wexner, the guy who founded the Limited, the Gap, Victorias Secret, etc. He has many Land Rovers, Range Rovers and Discoveries... (Does being a billionaire -- or founding Victorias Secret -- qualify one for the list of famous LR owners?? If so, Les should be on it.) I am a happy camper! Cheers, R. Pierce Reid ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@faculty.coe.wvu.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:12:56 EDT Subject: Craddock, Tailgates I just got a price from John Craddock on new and used tailgates. I'm very interested in purchasing one but don't have a clue on shipping and the like. Does anyone have some approximations on shipping and sevice from Craddock? Also, I would like to hear any opinions on radial vs. bias ply for off-road and general use. Thanks, David McKain 1966 SIIa Petrol mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu (304) 599-0120 Morgantown, WV USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Solihul@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 01:03:47 -0400 Subject: yet another movie Mayb I missed it, how about "The Italian Job", with Michal Caine, made in the sixties, very mod. A 109 plays support vehicle to three minis prepared to carry about five hundred pounds of gold bullion, stolen from the FIAT factory in Milan. Benny Hill plays the computer genius hired by Caine to foul up the traffic computer in Milan, pretty funny, mildly suspenseful, soooo sixties. Regards, John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 20:22:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) Uncle Roger tells us... > A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him > and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess." > He bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket. The Boy... I'm glad! I thought maybe the frog would have turned into Taylor! Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Sanna@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:43:16 -0400 Subject: Re: The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! >This means that the jack can actually extend up to about 20" tall. It's both impressive and scarey. Listen, don't over estimate that hydralic jack. It's the same type they've been puting in LR's for 20 years, and in a real recovery situation it is marginal. You're better off figuring out where to strap the HiLift and get on with it. I tossed the stock jack after it jambed with sand during a mid-river situation. It turned a reasonably simple recovery into an all day affair. ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the a Bill sez.... > Now I know a lot of folks aren't going to like what I'm about to say, but yer right... > *to truely undertand the concept of 'the last guy' dig out a vinyl copy of > Arlo Guthrie's song "The Pause of Mr. Clause" (if I got the title > correct) The title sounds correct, but all I remember of the song goes like this.. So let's get Santa Clause - cause... Santa Clause wears a red suit, he's a communist.. Has a beard, and long hair - must be a pacifist. What's in that pipe that he's smoking? Mr. Clause sneaks in your house at night, He must be a dope fiend, to put you up-tight. Why do police guys mess with these guys? As to the rest of your post - rubbish! Why try to stifle a rumor by making a bigger deal of it? OK.. I see your point on "e-mail hell"... Just because the company I work for makes the glass for the Disco sunroofs doesn't mean that I'm qualified to answer *any* questions on the subject and I would hate to have a bunch of crazed Rover owners stoning me (especially this bunch!). So if this person is a lurker using a private account, fine.. Stay a lurker. There are lots of lurkers on this list. just like any other mail list. However, if LRNA subscribes to this list with a corporate account, then I for one believe that that fact should be made known. I mean, we're all here for the same thing, right? (Well, some *are* here for the beer!) > New LR Owners have channels, though not end-to-end electronic, to get > thier LR product questions answered: But is is nice to think that LR might actually use this medium for feedback from at least some of the hard-core owners. > With regards to present or future plans of the LR company And the future owners of Land-Rover products... Arrr.. enough from this soap box. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol Title? We don't need any stinkin' titles... ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: A pair of events... June 12th Annual OVLR Birthday Party Date: June 24th and 25th Place: Silver Lake (about sixty (miles or kilometers) south west of Ottawa) Gen'l: The site of the 12th annual OVLR Birthday party will be more varied that past years. The property abuts onto two lakes. (ie fishing and swimming will be possible) There will be two campsites available on the property, one smaller one beside the lake, a much larger one a few hundred yards "inland". There are a large variety of trails from the very light off-road variety (street tires required) to medium and very heavy off-road trails. The property adjoins the Silver Lake Provincial Park, so there is a more civilised campground available for those who prefer showers and other wussy things (1/2 mile away). For the real degenerates, there is also a motel very close by with both rooms and cabins for rent (1/8 of a mile). Who: This event is open to all Land Rover owners. However, noting a general rise in attendance levels over the past few years, there is concern with getting accurate counts of people so that preparations can be made. This is also the first year at a new location, and facilities on the Birthday Party site might be limited. This event is also run by a few volunteers in their spare time. (Unlike in the U.S.A. where Land Rover North America supported the Rover Owners of Virginia event to the tune of $2,000 Land Rover Canada wouldn't give us a hot dog if we asked...) In light of this, the Executive has decided that pre-registration will be required. The pre- registration form will be included with both the May and June newsletters (And dropped in the InterNet Land-Rover-Owner mailing list. If you do not pre-register, there is no guarantee that you will be able to get in to the Birthday Party. Cost: At this time, the cost is the same as last year. $15.00 per person over the age of 12 years. $8.00 per child aged 6 through 12 Children under 6 are free. Note: The heavy off-road is just that, very slow and heavy. As a result, basic requirements for vehicles will be set for participation in the heavy off-road. Expect scrutineering, being required to have a fire extinguisher, and a basic first aid kit. More details to follow on this aspect later... More details to follow. Times and schedules to follow in subsequent issues. The co-ordinator for this year is Jason Dowell. (819) 595-4593 July 1st & 2nd 8th Annual Downeast Land Rover Rally Mid-Coast Maine. The most important day is Sunday at the Owls Head Transportation Museum. There are no participation fees. Note the change/addition to Saturdays activities from last month's announcement. Saturday: In response to participant demand, there will he off-road activities on Saturday. The course will be on 5,000 acres of mountain, valley and mixed terrain. The off- roading will follow the "Tread Lightly" approach. BBQ at Ducktrap midday, Whales Tooth Pub in the evening Sunday: Owls head Transportation Museum 9am - 4:30pm. 70 to 100 Rovers, airshow and more Whales Tooth Pub - dinner - evening Monday: Acadia Nat'l Park, Desert Island, Quiet driving, no 4WDing, antique stores, costal villages. Tuesday: Breakfast at Ducktrap. Fireworks in Thomaston Me. at 9pm. More details: Myles Murphy, RR2, Box 23, Lincolnsville, Maine, 04849, USA or (207) 789-5303. ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DAFREE@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:07:30 -0400 Subject: Introduction, etc. From: Peter Whitbeck Greetings, I've just subscribed this week - what a great find this is! I live in the San Francisco Bay Area (Orinda) and own a 1964 SIIa 109 two-door (or perhaps it owns me...) which I'm in the process of restoring. Does anyone know where in the U.S. I can find a right rear body panel (original IIa with fuel inlet at front of panel) in good shape for the above? I've been able to find sIII panels but no sII. My other dilemna is in regard to stripping and painting the bulkhead. There is surface rust only, mostly in and around the seams caused by salt air from when I used to live near the ocean. Should I bite the bullet and remove the bulkhead, have it acid dipped and painted? Seems that sandblasting, using chemicals or trying to strip the thing while on the vehicle wouldn't get rid of the rust completely and/or permanently. Any thoughts? Peter Whitbeck dafree@aol.com Orinda, California 510-284-5554 ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ON D-90 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 11:15:36 -0700 From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> JIM 2. HOW ABOUT EXPERIENCE WITH SUSPENSION CHANGES/UPGRADES? I HEARD THAT LANDROVER PUT SOME HEAVY DUTY COILS ON THE BACK OF THE 90 TO AVOID SOME SORT OF IMPORT TAX. THESE COILS DETRACT FROM AN OTHERWISE GOOD RAMP TRAVEL INDEX. I WAS ALSO TOLD THAT "OLD MAN EMU"(sp), OUT OF AUSTRALIA, HAS A 2" LIFT THAT IS PRICED AT ABOUT $600. ANYBODY TRIED IT? HOW ABOUT REMOVAL OF ANTI-SWAY BARS? When I first started off roading my D90 I had heard the same rumours about heavy springs to get the gross weight up, thus avoiding a tarriff of some sort. I also noticed that I was lifting a wheel on trails that my old Ser lll had made it through with no problem. At the time, nobody could give me a straight answer, even LRNA. I noticed in the Rovers North catalog that they listed two sets of rear springs for the 90, standard and heavy duty, so I took a chance and ordered a set of the standard ones, thinking all the US spec 90s must have the heavy duty type. Nope, the standard ones I received were exactly the same as the ones on the truck. Turns out, it's the sway bars that are limiting the suspension travel. I experimented and found that removing just the rear is the best solution, Providing a balance between handling and off road articulation. The rear is also much easier to take of than the front. I found that with both sway bars removed, the truck, uhh, well, it sways, in the corners noticably. Much like the older Range Rovers. With front bar installed, it still corners well on the road and gives enough rear travel to keep tires planted in most cases. I also noticed that with both bars installed off roading, on side slopes, or crossing diagonals, the suspension wouldn't soak it up, and tended to lean me over, often into a tree or two(thanks for the safari cage, it actually works). With the bars removed, no problems. Have no experince or even heresay, regarding Old Man Emu stuff, some of the Land Cruiser guys around here use it though. Seems like a lot of money to spend for something that removing the swaybars mostly takes care of anyway. As for the 2 in lift aspect, the D90 is PLENTY high for most anything. With a lift, you gain a little frame/ground clearance, but your diffs are still the same height. If you run larger tires then you open the whole clearance, higher cg, etc can of worms. Higher is not better in this case. Look at pictures of the crazy guys on the Moab, Ut trails, the best all use 33in or less tires, and that is some off the toughest off roading there is. How often do you use yours off road? I'll wager it's capabilities are more than up to most anything you can throw at it. Rgds Mike Fredette D90 Portland, Orygun ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 19:49:16 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Test Sorry to waste bandwidth with this, but several of us on this side of the pond are having trouble gettin on/back onto the 'net. Cheers to all. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Julianbak@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 20:33:23 -0400 Subject: Re: #3(3) The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest inch 109 rims. If interested, contact me at aol: julianbak Julian ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 06 Apr 95 20:46:53 EDT From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: tyres Andy 1)do not use 205 x 16 tyres on a 109, you lose ground clearance and load capacity and fuel economy. 2) Use radial tryes and ensure that they are fitted with good quality radial type tubes, do not use tubes unless they are marked with use for Radial, otherwise you will be plagued with punctures, watch what the tyre dealer fits, they can make extra money by using cheap cross ply tubes and charging you for radial. Use Avon or Michelin 3) Most remoulds will be worn out in 8 to 10 k miles 4) I recomend Michelin tyres, they are the hardest wearing of any tyres on sale in Europe, 50 k plus unless you use the aggressive tread patterns, then you can regroove them for some more use. Failing that the Avon Rangemaster is a cheaper option for a road / country tyre. Regards Bill Leacock Limey in exile ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:10:49 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: D-90 prices I've owned a Jeep Wrangler, (actually I have owned a Cherokee, Wrangler, and a Grand Cherokee, all new.) The Wrangler was the worst vehicle I've ever owned, even after going into the $20K range in lift kits, real tires, etc. It was awful on road and was just average off road. I replaced it with the Grand Cherokee after less than a year. The Grand Cherokee was a good car. Unfortuately it just got beat up off road. (After my first trip, all 4 of the "off-road" suspension shocks were leaking and had to be replaced.) Fortunately, it was stolen and I had the opportunity to buy a replacement. I was looking for a vehicle with the coil suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, and V8 of the Cherokee, but that was better built for off roading. I bought a D90 and haven't looked back. The only options it has are the Black paint/leather seating package, fiberglass hard top, and the aluminum wheels. I've added a Warn 9000i winch on the ARB bumper, and front and rear ARB air lockers. Anyway, I've had both, the extra cost of a Land Rover over any Jeep is well worth it. Being classified as yuppie scum for driving a vehicle with out roll up windows is kinda of interesting though. The itemized invoice cost to dealer list distributed before is correct to the best of my knowledge. I do know of a least one "fire" sale to dealers in SO Cal. for around $1000.00 below invoice to clear the unloading dock. D90's aren't rare and don't sell particularly well. Deals can be found. -Rick '94 D90 Rick Larson ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: danielg@eskimo.com (Daniel Grambihler) Subject: Re: D90 costs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:19:34 -0800 (PST) > Actually, I think they are making a bundle if you pay $32k. I believe the > Dealer Cost is around $24k. $8000 is a big profit. A lot of times the These are stock prices for a D90 @ LR Scottsdale (AZ): '94: $26K '95: $28,650 Plus $400 Inland Plus $900 Tires (I STILL haven't been able to understand THIS brain-damage!) Houston: '95: $28,650 Plus $625 Inland (About 10 miles inland!) Plus $900 Tires (see above...) - Daniel ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 15:58:04 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: D-90 tires Check out the the tire selector feature at http://www.goodyear.com Rick Larson ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com> Subject: Re: Overdrives...wha' happa'? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 16:38:48 EDT > All, (Those interested in the overdrives) > I HAVE 8 CONFIRMED, NEED TWO MORE. > WATCH THIS SPACE. Mark- What's the deal? Did two more requests come through? Am I on the list (or on the blacklist)? thanks in advance, rd/nigel ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: LR at the movies Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:35:32 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk> Tom Stevenson writes: > I enjoyed reading your film list; I remember a film from the 70s which > was a pilot or a film spin-off from the TV series 'Callan' with Edward > Woodward. none The Film title was "This is Callan" and was I believe set after the end of the series (the copy I have is dated 1974). Incidentally, the same Range Rover (STP 111J), somewhat more battered and without its black glass appeared in the episode "The Future Hour" of the 70's TV series "Survivors". -- _ __ Apricot Computer Limited ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Tel: (+44) 121 717 7171 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park Fax: (+44) 121 717 0123 / \_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Richard Jones United Kingdom Email: richardj@apricot.co.uk ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:03:27 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Shocks (USA) for LR IIA 88 ? Anthony J. Bonanno <75034.3062@compuserve.com> wrote: >The heavy duty shocks that I installed 22 years ago have finally worn out. >Anyone have any recommendations for an over-the-counter replacement shock here [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >costly would be nice too) that I should consider. My LR is a 71 88" Series >IIA. I put Rancho 5000 shocks and steering stabilizer on my '72 Series III. Wow, what an improvement in my ride after nearly 16 years with the original set! My steering wheel and tire shaking at high speed completely went away. I priced them locally and from DAP. Both being about the same, I decided on DAP since they knew the exact catalog numbers and had them in stock. -Michael cs@crl.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Discovery setup... Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 13:36:25 -0700 From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> Dave, Those air bag lifts have been standard kit for Camel trophy competitors for a few years now, but they always seem to get a hole popped in them at the most inopportune moments. In the videos I have, they mention several times "and here we see the team from blankety blank having to resort to their hand jack after their air lift jack failed while changing a tire". Perhaps they have improved on them in recent times, but it seems to me that these items are more suited to life ON hte highway rather than OFF. What happens to you when your disco frame is hung on a jagged rock, and right where you want to put your air lift is one of your trusty Arizona cactus varieties, or another jagged rock for that matter. See where this is headed? Not going to lift you very far. On the side of a nice smooth highway, they probably work swell. Rgds Mike Fredette D90, Portland, Orygun PS. Did you find that billboard yet? ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 22:37:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu> Subject: Re: Overdrives...wha' happa'? Yeah, what was the deal again? please repost the original message.... Thnx, steve Swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu On Thu, 6 Apr 1995, Russell G. Dushin wrote: > > All, (Those interested in the overdrives) > > I HAVE 8 CONFIRMED, NEED TWO MORE. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] > thanks in advance, > rd/nigel ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: mccauley@hba.trumpet.com.au (Tim McCauley) Subject: YES It's still Stuck... Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:46:57 LOCAL Hello again All >Our big headache at the moment is getting the transfer unit out of the >front chassis member. Well the steering relay is still stuck fast. Thanks to all the people that made suggestions about how to shift it. The most popular being the use of a jack under the unit and let the weight of the vehicle do the work. A good theory but I obviously need a heavier vehicle. Given that the chassis in the area of the relay seems to be in good repair we have decided to take up the suggestion that we replace the internal workings of the unit in situ. David McKain and our local parts supplier (who had a range of cautionary tales to relate about the potential damage to be done by over zealous attempts to remove it) both recommended his path. The good news today is that a shiny, freshly painted, reconditioned steering box arrived in the mail this morning. As soon as the RAIN relents its full speed ahead with the refurbishment plans. Now far be it from me to complain about this rain, we have been suffering drought conditions here of late, but why is it that the only time there is any sign of relief it has to conflict with my plans for outdoor activities. Working on the Landy and plans for a fishing trip both seem to be sure-fire rain-makers. If the local farmers ever get wind of this I might be forced to spend the rest of my life camped by a lake, in our Central Highlands, stalking trout. Wouldn’t that be terrible? ;-} Tim For Tim And Jenny inc. Well it's still raining and Sesame St. is on the box, so I'm off to the Pub. Holidays you Know. ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 01:12:58 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: buying land rover for use in UK jed@teleport.com (Jim Edwards) wrote: >A friend will be spending a year in Dublin. He is interested in buying a >RHD SII or SIII 88" in either England or Ireland this summer and then [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >Does anyone know of any dealers he could contact or have one for sale? Any >suggestions for insurance companies? Land Rover dealers are all over the place, and so are insurance companies. Reasonably priced Rovers are available from non-Rover affilliated sales lots and shops, and of course private parties. Get a copy of LRO magazine to see current advertisements with photos of vehicles (available at most newsstands in the UK), and local papers with want ads. The thing about British cars, you must have a MOT (Ministry Of Transport) certificate to register the vehicle, usually provided by the seller or as a condition of sale. MOT certified mechanics check for safety items such as brakes and lights, and most importantly, the condition of the frame and body panels which tend to be corroded. Also, the Brits have a higher tolerance of vehicle condition that you might find acceptable, ie, a Rover they may claim as in good shape may be barely driveable to you, or a vehicle billed as excellent might be average to your standards. Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 23:25:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the a On Thu, 6 Apr 1995 LANDROVER@delphi.com wrote: > for one believe that that fact should be made known. I mean, we're all here > for the same thing, right? (Well, some *are* here for the beer!) Some of us are here to find those that *are* here for the beer... Rgds, PS.. Bring *two* spares this year... :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 20:52:48 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Introduction, etc. Peter Whitbeck (dafree@aol.com) wrote: >Does anyone know where in the U.S. I can find a right rear body panel (original IIa with fuel inlet at front of panel) in good shape for the above? I've been able to find sIII panels but no sII. Well, Orinda you say, ... Brad Davis (rovingnut@aol.com) has a right rear body panel. Oh, errr, ... he's still using it on his IIA though. Maybe try Scotty's in Concord (510-686-2255). He's moved a lot of his stuff to a friends place in the valley, but they will check their stash for you. Or, try Geoff Tobin in San Luis Obispo (805-544-7927). He's disassembled three II/IIA's and has a variety of parts and will even mail you an incomplete list. >My other dilemna is in regard to stripping and painting the bulkhead. There is surface rust only, mostly in and around the seams caused by salt air from when I used to live near the ocean. Should I bite the bullet and remove the bulkhead, have it acid dipped and painted? Seems that sandblasting, using chemicals or trying to strip the thing while on the vehicle wouldn't get rid of the rust completely and/or permanently. Any thoughts? Yea, bite the bullet! After all, a rusty Rover reflects on the appearance of the species, and it just won't do to repair it halfway. PS- "DAFREE", is that as in "Rovers in the Land of DaFree"?? Tread Lightly! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 02:43:12 -0400 Subject: Re: NEW SUBSCRIBER/AMATEUR RADIO Chris..... Agreed it is nice to see other hams with Rovers, or, vise versa. Seems some obsessions run hand in hand. Call sign here is KD4FXA, in Monroe NC. Current Rovers include 1988 Range Rover, (my daily mule, 90k miles) and a 'too nice' 1973 lllA 88" with only 38k. Both outfitted for amateur radio use, though vhf/uhf only, no hf. Other interests include Alfa Romeos and photography. Have former news photographer background. Current occupation is buying, restoring and selling/leasing Historic District homes. Correspondence welcome. 73 Rick Crider Monroe NC <rickcrider@aol.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950408 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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