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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 23:40:45 -0800
From: Kathryn Krages <krages@ohsu.edu>
Subject:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest -Reply

I will be out of the office from Saturday, March 25th through Tuesday,
April 4th and will read my E-mail messages when I return.   --Kathryn

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: RR storeage
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:46:37 UNDEFINED

/If you've got a caretaker.....it'd be nice to turn the baby over once
/in awhile (and they'd obviously have to put the battery back in for this).
/Motors don't like to sit in the same spot for long periods of time....

My solution is simply a solar trickle charger. My lorry sat nds out all year 
and gets used every weekend, or every fortnight. T he battery is always fine 
whatever. And if it was stored, adn your caretaker wasnt able/willing to turn 
it over on the starting handle (many vehicles nowadays dont have em, adn 
they're sod all use with a diesel.....), just turn it over on the starter for 
a coupe of seconds. T hat keeps the oil circulated, adn wont produce enough 
combustion products to worry about unless it's stored for a couple of 
centuries.

/Waxoyl the shit out of it.

And we all remembered to plaster our electrics in the stuff, didnt we, kiddies?

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: More bush winches
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:51:10 UNDEFINED

Has anyone tried sticking a brake drum on teh outside of a wheel? Are the 
studs long enough? Breakers are so rare hereabouts that I am not going to 
waste days to find they arent if I can just ask........

(Of course, Landrovers are ten a penny here, and a I have a spanner..........)

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:12:54 +0059 (BST)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Storing vehicles.

Something I would seriously take into consideration are the brake lines.  
I say this from experience. My 2002 has been fairly idle in Houston (very 
damp) the last three years, with my father driving it weekly. This was 
not enough. The front calipers siezed badly and cost a bundle to 
recondition/replace. This was WITH my changing the fluid on my annual trip 
home. They just didn't move often enough.

I would recommend either going to silicone based fluid (preferably with
an alcohol flush and air drying first) or draining and flushing and
storing dry (not the best idea, moisture could collect anyway... and why
not put the silicone in once it's dry...)

Best of luck with it,
Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Axle/transmission vents
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 17:09:00 EST

Had an idea today. Has anyone tried this?
Mercedes Unimogs use  pressurised axles etc. to keep water out when wading.
I thought, if all the breathers were routed to a single header and then this 
header is connected to the engine breather and to an open vent that is 
routed to the gearbox cross member. The idea is that when wading the 
crankcase pressure will be balanced by the depth of water above the cross 
member and thus puts a balancing pressure on the axles, gearbox, transfer 
case and engine. The addition of a vacuum breaker to the header will ensure 
that if the engine stalls cooling effects can't draw water up the tube. I 
think this would ensure water didn't get past the seals. It may cause some 
leakage past poor seals due to a small flow induced pressure in the header 
but this would be kept to a minimum by using adequately sized lines, say 1/2 
hose from the header to the cross member.
I am installed such a system now and will report benefits/problems later.

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:20:32 -0500
Subject: Re: .gif's on the RoverWEB

How do you access the RoverWeb page?

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From: mtzphil@vax.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:40:58 GMT
Subject: Non-starting IIa & Wheels

>Re: IIa engine stalling:

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From: Jeff_Scott@tvo.org (Jeff Scott)
Subject: Workshop manuals for IIA
Date: 29 Mar 1995 15:58:15 GMT

Will be doing a rebuild of an early IIA and need the complete workshop
manuals. I have the Hayes. Would anyone in the Toronto area have them for
sale or failing that tell me the best (cheapest,fastest) place to order them.
Thanks.  Reply to digest or Jeff at (905) 841-6175

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 10:00:52 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: wheels

In message <199503282319.AAA14742@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> John Hess writes:
> Fellow land-rover owners
> wheel questions:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> generalization that Land rovers (when new) came with white (or limestone?)
> wheels?

As far as I know all the civilian series Land Rovers had Limestone white wheels 
from the factory.

> Several of us on the left coast are thinking about 16" wheels for our 109s.
> British Pacific has a good price but should I check with any other place?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> I called Octopus in vancouver and for new, they want $75 us per wheel,  BP
> is $56. Anyone know of 4, 8, 12 wheels available?

I put a set of used white spokers on my 109 about 6 or 7 years ago.  I 
personally think that look a LOT better than the stock wheels.  I see them 
advertized in LRO for about 23 to 27 pounds each.  John, if you might be 
interested in white spokers, I could be easily persuaded to pitch in for a 
second set (I bent mine a bit over the years.  I've never been easy on wheels).

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: mtzphil@vax.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:08:32 GMT
Subject: Non-starting IIa & Wheels

>Re: IIa engine stalling:

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:19:05 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: ID requested

     I have been mailed a photo of a Series 109 Station Wagon, with UK 
     plate on the front bumper:  "OKX 431H"  It has some humongous 6-sided 
     rearview mirrors on the wings the likes of which I have never seen 
     before.  Could these possibly be authentic?
     
     Can anyone over there in the home country cross the plate number to a 
     frame number?
     
     Thanks in advance,
     Hank

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Subject: Blown Head Gasket on my SIII
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:44:53 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	I've been discussing this offline with various LR friends, but I
fugured that I should mention it to the mail net (my apologies to those who
have already seen this).

	Last weekend my head gasket blew.  I convinved myself that it
was really the manifold gasket.  I decided that it was better to drive the
150 miles towards other Rovers than 400 miles home.  When I caught up with
the other Rovers we talked about the problem and the general concurance was that
the engine would be ok as long as it didn't overheat.  I really needed to get
back to work, so I took the calculted risk and limped the 400 to 500 miles 
home sounging like a Harley-Davison motorcycle.
	I made it.

	So I pulled the head last night.  The good news is that the block and
head appear to ok.  No cracks or worn troughs.  The head gasket had about a 1
inch section missing from the #1 cylinder towards the front left hand side head
bolt.  The water passage was not blocked (whew!)  That head bolt came out ok,
which made me happy because 1/3 of the bolt's diameter was missing at the
block/head interface.  The valve cover gasket was also missing a 1 to 1.5 inch
section (where the exhaust gas had come up the bolt and been vectored into
the the valve cover gasket.)   

	I also noticed that the head gasket between the #3 and #4 cylinders
was beginning to go.  To me this is unacceptable quality.  LR engines should 
last 20 year/200,000 miles, not 9 months/15,000 miles.

	British Pacific is replacing the head gasket under warranty (it was only
9 months old).  BP also said that they are no longer selling the silver/grey
head gasket until they get an answer from LR.  BP reports a lot of failures.

	I also had my fuel pump die on this trip (oil seal on the diaphram
shaft died), but the field repairs are still holding.

Benjamin Smith
--------------
Science Applications International Corp
Naval Air Weapons Center, China Lake
1972 Land Rover SIII 88

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:05:16 -0500
Subject: used parts radiator shroud etc 

Someone was asking about a radiator shroud... I cant find the request, but I
found  a couple of shrouds in my special pile of stuff.
If whoever it was will get in touch...I believe he's from so.cal...
Also  discussion of  a control for  SII  type vent control reminded me,,, I
could use one of the sector type, one of  the knobs is broken off.
I came across 3 generators in the spares that I can spare,(65-69-70)
of course they are LUCAS but they were working...
Bob Bernard
Paradise Ca.  

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Date: 29 Mar 95 16:44:45 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Bad guy

> ...  said that he was convicted of bank fraud ...(snip)...

Oh well...  

> ripped Land Rover owners off ...(snip)...

Now _that's_ *dispicable*  ... clean the guns, call in the posse!

wyearp@marshal.tombstone.gov

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Axle/transmission vents
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 17:32:29 EST

> Had an idea today. Has anyone tried this?
> Mercedes Unimogs use  pressurised axles etc. to keep water out when wading.
> I thought, if all the breathers were routed to a single header and then this 
> header is connected to the engine breather and to an open vent that is 
> routed to the gearbox cross member. The idea is that when wading the 

Methinks yer just gonna pump 90 wt past your weaky leaky hub seals and
loose yer brakes in no time.

Do you really think water is coming IN through the hub seals/diff (rear
prop shaft) seal or through the breathers??  How's about just sticking
to breathers routed in through the air cleaner?

rd/nigel

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:35:00 GMT -0600
Subject:       Diesel engine wanted

This got bounced back last week

I'm looking for a diesel engine here in the states. Preferably one in 
need of a rebuild (no cracked heads, but cracked blocks are ok). 
Please e-mail me direct.

Tom Rowe
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Center for Dairy Research
1605 Linden Dr., Madison, WI 53706
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
Home:608-243-8660
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:03:30 GMT -0600
Subject:       Winches

Robert Kerner asked about winches.
This isn't really a pro or con, just my experience with both.
I first had Koenig 8000lb (no longer made, and Koenig no longer sells 
parts I believe) on my '67 109. It was great for prolonged use. 
Useless if the engine wouldn't run. I still have it.
I have a Warn 8000lb on my lightweight and have used it alot. My 
choice for offroading in the boonies by myself. It has plenty of 
power. It isn't good for prolonged use though. I burned up the motor 
winching my L/R and two other vehicles up an icy hill (a fool, I know, 
at least winching them all at once) even though I stopped to let it 
cool. $165 for a new motor and that was a jobber price.
The electric is certainly easier to find and mount.
If you go the electric route, mount it behind the bumper if you can.
I mounted a Delco 108 amp alt. but had to use a generator bracket 
rather that the Lucas alt. bracket.
Two batteries are reccomended, especially if you go out on your own. JC 
Whitney (or RV shops) sell battery isolators so you can have one just 
for the winch. Very important with an electric is to use a deep cycle 
battery. Repeated draining of a regular battery will greatly reduce 
it's life.
E-mail me direct if you want more particulars.

Tom Rowe
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Center for Dairy Research
1605 Linden Dr., Madison, WI 53706
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
Home:608-243-8660
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:07:21 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: used parts radiator shroud etc 

In message <199503292106.WAA23458@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>  writes:
> Someone was asking about a radiator shroud... I cant find the request, but I
> found  a couple of shrouds in my special pile of stuff.
none

Bob it was not me who asked, But... I am in the market for the splash shield 
that goes on the radiator shroud to protect the distributer from splashing 
water.  Mine was gone from the LR when I purchased her.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 21:32:10 -0500
Subject: New Member

Just wanted to say hello.  I live in Maine USA and am currently in the final
stages of a ground up resto of a 1966 IIA hardtop/tailgate.  The list is
great!  Glad to be involved.

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 19:40:16 PST
Subject: Re: 	Wading depths

Hi all:

Just read the latest issue of *Four Wheeler* magazine and they featured a 
section on published mfr. wading depths.

It was interesting to note their observation that *the only two mfrs. who even 
published any fording depths numbers at all were AM General (Hummer) and Land 
Rover.* They went on to state that with Defender 90, the published depth of 20 
inches was a minimum and that the height to the air intake was 41 inches! They 
concluded by stating that *with the addition of the snorkel kit and other 
waterproofing measures, that the Land Rover was capable of deep wading.*

Something most of us already knew.

cheerz
Jim... now completely mad - and loving it!

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 21:01:32 MST
Subject: West Coast British?

John Brabyn mentioned WEST COAST BRITISH as a parts supplier.  That's a new one
for me.  Can anyone supply info?  Someone else (forgot who) mentioned a place
called OCTOPUS.  That's also a newby.

Has anyone found a good workshop manual for American spec Discos?  Atlantic
British is advertising one for $149, but I'd like some input before buying.  I
need a maual that will cover ABS, electronic doorlocks, airbag system,etc. etc.
Thanks  Rob Modica  51 SI 80"  60 SII 109"  94 Disco 5spd

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