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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 04:50:51 -0500
Subject: Thanks to all.....

       Thanks to one and all for the super responses to my questions about
retractable belts and fuel sending mods for my Series III / 88".  
       Didn't get much, (or any?) response about the oil light staying on in
the 1988 Range Rover.   Had previously replaced the sending unit at the oil
filter assembly and the oil level sender in the sump.  No avail.
   Mechanical guage always shows *perfect* oil pressure.  Any ideas still
welcome.
       Besides the burst of fire about someones story on off-road instruction
I've thoroughly enjoyed this forum.  Hope this sort of thing isn't the norm.
       Thanks again.  Rick Crider  <rickcrider@aol.com>
       

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:20:41 -0500
Subject: Side Marker Rubber....

     Any sources for the rubber gaskets for the rectangular side marker
lights on side of series III (and IIA?).   I can find the entire assembly
($$$$$) but only need new gaskets.
     Also.....source for brake fluid container (only) on the master cylinder?
 (series III dual system)
     Oh.....preferably in the U.S.........//            Thanks!
Rick Crider  <rickcrider@aol.com>

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: splitting the list
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:03:41 UNDEFINED

/Just a thought, but why don't we split the list between the good
/humoured and the humour impaired?

I dont think that's funny. Shut up.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Any Series Landie Owners?
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:08:16 UNDEFINED

/Here's something I caught on rec.autos.4x4. frighteningly enough, it is a
/response to one of taylor's queries. however, i wondered what the "taper
/roll bearing conversion for the transfer case" was?
/
/-jory
/
/>        Hey,
/>        I've got a 1952 series 1 SWB.  I'm 6' and yes I could do with a
/ 

       [ all useful stuff  truncated by lro-digester as usual (was 11 
lines)]

/>transfer case ?  I got set up last year and it's rather good./>       
                 Simon.

Anyone else getting fed up to the back teeth with this digester absorbing most 
wisdom itself instead of passing it on to us, just in order to occasionally 
save a couple of bytes of bandwidth?

:(

Guess I'll never know about taper roll bearing conversion for the transfer case
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: two lists
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:20:00 UNDEFINED

/If there were two lists, then those who wanted both could subscribe to both.
/Those who only had one type of LR (certainly the majority,) could then 
/decreasethe number of messages to sort through.  I agree theat sorting 
/programs wouldbe fine, but not everyone (infact, probably the vast minorty) 
/has them.  Evenfewer are able to program them to do what they awant.  

For what it's worth, my vote is to leave it as it is. I'd like to be 
realtime so I could use a threaded mail reader, but since our crap mainframe 
here resulted in me being bounced onto the digest, I have to wade thru it all 
longhand :( But even so, I'd rather do that than split it - i can just append 
a few days digest into a huge file till I have time to look at it.. 

I drive a 90. But many of the discussions with headers to do with Series are 
directly relevant to me, tellling me things about general wrenching etc that I 
didnt know. So if the list were split, subscribers to only one would miss lots 
of valuable stuff. So most folk would have to subscribe to both anyway, adn 
would end up with 2 digests to wade thru instead of one.  And crossing a 
Series thread which is directly relevant to 90s etc or vice versa woould be a 
pain in the neck.

Sure there's been a lot of noise recently (I've contributed a fair bit - 
intolerant folk who feel they have a right to impose their views on others by 
intimidation make me lose my rag). But even so, the signal to noise 
has always been way higher than any other mailing list I have lloked at - it 
really isnt a problem on teh cosmic scale of things........

So, I figure, if it aint broke, dont fix it.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject:  88"+109"=121" Ford
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:29:22 UNDEFINED

/Balloon tyres are very popular on Iceland. Regular tyres makes ugly tracks
/that takes 10-20 years to disappear. So offroad freaks drive out in the 
/winter and let most of the air out of tyres. When they are ready to go home
/they pump the tyres with a little compressor in the engine compartment.

It's watching teh way they seat the beads when they roll off the rim cos of 
the 4psi presssures that takes some beating. Spray some lighter fuel under the 
tyre, stand well back, take aim. spray at teh tyre, light the jet adn BAAAANG 
- tyre seated. No pissing about in Iceland........

/He estimates a price about 20.000 pounds when the contraption is finished.

/It's nice that someone has the courage to invest a large amount of money and
/time on something useful instead of something that has to be towed on a 
/trailer to a sponsored show.

There are huge numbers of heavily modified 4x4s there like this thing. All 
running monster celarances, tyres a mile wide etc. They are built for use 
not pose. And with the prices in Iceland being horrendous cos of the supply 
problems, most cost in the region of 50k!

He's getting a bargain.

There are lots of offroaders in Iceland that make the best of the rest of us 
look like newbie wimps. These guys are seriously crazy. Must be only seeing 
the sun during summer.......

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:39:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Forward Control

Dixon comments on Forward Control differances...
 
> >         The IIB had a 110" wheel base, the IIA had a 109" wheel base.
>         Do you think someone who desn't even know what a FC looks like
>         will be able to notice these differences?  Might as well use the
>         IIB, different number to make it stand out from the IIA.
none

Well, just in case you ever see a IIA or IIB FC, the IIA headlights are
positioned close to the grill,with directional lights above and marker
lights below. On the IIB, the headlights were moved down towards the bumper
and positioned farther apart.. the directional and marker lamps are above
the headlights. Also, if it's a six-cylinder or a diesel, it's a IIB.

Cheers
Mike 

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:08:15 -0500
Subject: Bush-winching

The other day, someone asked about what folks do when 'bush-winching'.
 Short and Direct: This is about knots and not specific to LR's.
 *Ashley's Book of Knots* is back in print!
 Thought I'd respond. I'm usually alone when fetching wood/logs and sometimes
get mired or "beached". Some of what I've discovered: 
 I carry a rope, a chain and a come-along, as well as a high lift jack. I
feel I must stop right here and give a few words about rope. Guess you've
heard the saying "...enough rope and they'll hang themselves." Wonderful
tool, rope can be. Dangerous too.
DISCLAIMER- 
<*NEVER*> use a square knot. That's the knot that you use when you tie your
shoes, albeit in a 'double-slipped' version. Check it out. Push the slipped
(i.e. 'bitter end') through and tighten the knot. Thats a square knot. They
come undone! And most likely under load!  More people have been hurt/killed
by this knot than all others combined! <*NEVER*> use a square knot! Don't
trust your wellbeing or your vehicle to a square knot! Make sure your rope is
strong enough, in good condition and that your transmission brake is in good
repair.
Take the time to learn some good knots. You want knots that will not "spill"
(i.e. Square knot). You want knots that will not "jam" (can be untied in less
than a week). And you have to learn how to "work" the knot, finally arriving
at the correct configuration of the knot itself. To meerly twist and loop,
then expect a proper knot to result by sheer tugging is incorrect, and an
incorrect intermediate knot(s) may result.(If you get the inclination read
"Eyelids Of Dawn" its about crocs & Lake Victoria, and has a tragic story
within it about a tribe that went hippo hunting and didn't understand the
concept of slip knots) 
If there is anchorage (tree, rock) I secure to that with a chain or nylon web
or such. Next comes the pulling devise (jack or 'pull'). I don't use a
'Spanish windlass' (could if I had to, but don't) but refer you to Ashley's,
if you prefer that method. (If you have that much rope, you might try
something else, as a primitive windlass is also potentially a  lethel
'whirligig'.) I secure a rope to the LR, usually with a bowline or such
(sometimes tied in the 'standing' portion of rope in a slipped manner). And
my contribution to bush winching is this: I use a spaced series of "artillery
loops", tied in the rope to attach my pulling machine. You know, the same
knots that Wellington used to pull those cannon through the mud and take
Napolean! Waterloo this!  That little tyrannical bastard (Not PC?) considered
that flank and dismissed it because of the mud. ("The history of the world
according to knots"). (Not yet written-ed.) (who's Ed?) Well, that instance
was when tied big enough to get a shoulder through, for this application the
size of a hook is only needed.
A simple "Farm  loop" will serve the purpose, but it jams and can be hard to
undo. Others are somewhat better. Any inline loop subjected to the tension of
an extrication attempt will jam for that matter. I have dedicated a rope to
loops, and have tham spaced every 3 feet. That way, by moving my puller along
the chain and/or rope, I can work the vehicle out.
How to tie a simple farm loop: 
DISCLAIMER-
<*NEVER*> put *any* part of yourself through a loop or twist of rope that is
likely or able or  even possible to receive tension or pull. Remember "Mobie
Dick"?
     Take a piece of 'light stuff' (i.e. clothseline) and make 3 wraps around
your finger. Take the middle wrap and go over top of the rightmost wrap. Take
the original rightmost (now the center) wrap and go over the wrap to the
left. Take the original leftmost wrap (now the center) and go over the now
rightmost wrap. Extend the now center wrap, as this is to be the loop. Remove
from finger. Work into knot. This is good knot for an application such as
extrication. Pull can be along the length of rope or from the loop itself. It
will not slip or spill. It will jam. There are better. But they have to be
shown, not written about. Certainly you need heavier stuff to pull with.
Anyway, knots are wonderful and I get quite passionate about them. Rich
Ziegler and I enjoyed an afternoon showing each other knots. Hope to enjoy
more!  Knot knowledge is diminishing in today's high tech world. Help to
preserve it if you can.  Sorry to waste bandwidth, but thought I'd pass this
on to those who leave the beaten path. It's good to have in your bag of
tricks.
Re: The offroad story and resultant hostilities.
  I don't mind soiling my hands, but my mind I wish to keep clean. (kind of
an option)
See ya' on the old road...
Jim   61 88" HT / weber 1 Bbl, OD & 16's
LR....the absolute best vehicle in the world at 5 hrs/mile! 

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:07:27 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: SnowSeal on Gaiters

     When I worked with Search-and-Rescue helicopters out in the Sierra 
     Nevadas, the crews had a significant preferrence for SnowSeal to 
     protect their mountain boots.  I guess that may be taken as some sort 
     of endorsement.  Wouldn't have thought of it for gaiters if you hadn't 
     mentioned it.
     
     Hank

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Swivel Gaiters
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:44:06 +0000 (GMT)

When I first acquired my 1962 IIa 1/4 ton it had the rotted remains of
gaiters still attached. The swivels themselves were however in perfect
condition, with no pitting at all. As far as I know they were the
original ones; who would have put the rotten gaiters back on if the
swivel housings had been renewed?
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(0475) 530581  Fax:(0475) 530601

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From: "Eric Desmond (III)" <c1ac@dmu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: CUT THE CRAP AND GROW UP
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:54:30 GMT

I could not agree more.
--
    
        Eric.

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:11:35 -0500
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Oil Pressure Lite

Finally replaced a burned out oil pressure light on my '69 SIIA 88". The
darned thing now won't go out. Oil pressure guage reads fine at 45 psi.
What's going on?

Chris Stevens                           1969 SIIA 88" SW
BCG Corporate Communications
Towson, Maryland, USA
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
chrisste@Clark.net

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:15:21 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: List splitting

Hank Lappa Writes:
     It seems to me to be a matter of using the Subject Line in concert
     with the Delete Key  versus  possibly missing out on items of interest
     to all Rovers by not being subscribed to multiple lists.

Easy enough for those in real-time mode, much more difficult for those of
us in digest mode.  We have to page through the stuff we see as irrelevant,
and it can be tedious.

I'd like to hear from the list admin.  Is splitting an option?  If not, we
just spending more time increasing noise in the list.

-Bob Virzi

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: Piers E Montague <me92pem@brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: St. Par
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:08:44 +0000 (GMT)

 As it is St. Patric's day a very daft, very Irish friend
 of mine (Neil Hall), decided it might be nice to send the 
 world a nice topical poem, so send it to all your friends.

         St. Patrick and the Snakes
         --------------------------
             by Crawford Howard
 
 You've heard of the snakes in Austrailia,
 You've heard of the snakes in Japan,
 An' you've heard of the rattler, that oul Texas battler,
 Who's bite can mean death to a man.
 
 They've even got snakes in oul England,
 Nasty adders all yella and black,
 But in Erin's Green Isle we can say wi' a smile,
 "They're away, an' they're not comin' back!"
 
 Now years ago things was quite different,
 There were serpents all over the place.
 If you climbed up a ladder, you might meet an adder, 
 Or a cobra might lep at your face.
 
 If you went for a walk up the Shankill,
 Or a dander along Sandy Row,
 A flamin' great python would likely come writhin',
 An' take a lump outta yer toe.
 
 Now it happened that a guy called Saint Patrick,
 A preacher of fame and renown,
 Hoisted his sails an' came over from Wales,
 To convert all the heathens in Down.     (Like, he didn't do a very good job!)
 
 An he hirpled about through the country,
 With a stick an' a big pointy hat,
 An' he kept a few sheep that he sowl on the cheap,
 But sure there's no money in that.
 
 He was preachin' a sermon in Comber,
 An' gettin' quite carried away,
 An' he mentioned that Rome had once been his home,
 But that was the wrong thing to say!
 
 For he felt a sharp pain on his cheek-bone,
 An' he stuck up a han' till his bake,
 An' the thing that had lit on his gub an' had bit,
 Was a wee Presbyterian snake.
 
 Now the snake slithered down from the Pulpit,
 Expectin' St. Patrick to die,
 But Yer Man was no dozer, he lifted his crozier,
 An' he belted the snake in the eye.
 
 An' he says to the snake, "Listen legless!
 You'd better just take yerself aff,
 If you're thinkin' that that trick will work with St. Patrick,
 You must be far worser nor daft!"
 
 So the snake slithered home in a temper,
 An' it gathered its friends all aroun'
 An' it says, "Listen mates, We'll get on wir skates.
 I reckon it's time to leave town."
 
 It's no fun when you bite a big fella,
 An' sit back an' expect him to die,
 An' he's so flamin' quick wi' thon big crooked stick,
 That he hits ye a dig in the eye
 
 So a strange sight confronted St. Patrick
 When he woke up the very next day.
 The snakes, with long faces, were all packin' their cases,
 An' headin' for Donegal Quay.
 
 Some got on cheap flight to Majorca,
 Some booked apartments in Spain,
 They were all headin' out, an' there wasn't a doubt,
 They weren't goin' to come back again.
 
 So the reason the snakes all left Ireland,
 An' this is no word of a lie,
 They all went to places to bite people's faces,
 An' be reasonably sure they would die.
 
 An' the oul snakes still caution their grandsons,
 "For gawd's sake beware of St. Pat,
 Take yerself aff if ye see his big staff,
 An' his cloak, An' his big pointy hat!"
 
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      From the album "The slopin' Beauty"
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 hehehehehehehehehe!

Cheerz 'en  anon,

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               Don't be a stick in the mud, be a 
                           LAND-
                             -ROVER  owner.

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:55:13 GMT
From: Pierre Antony Ketteridge <ketteridgep@glub.demon.co.uk>
Subject: More Bio Info (Was: An Introduction to Offroad...)

<Peeks head over foxhole)

...Uh, eez it zafe?...

...Nice to see those flame muscles haven't completely atrophied!

And Mike, I think a Desert Island vacation is a wonderful idea, what with 
TeriAnn buying the tickets and everything. Plenty of crates of beer, food
for the barbie, a carton of smokes,... and of course a Landie suitably attired 
with dune tyres and sand ladders! Bliss! Heaven!

Seriously though, I've appreciated the support for my expressing myself in 
writing by whatever means I see fit. Thanks to those of you who enjoyed my
post, and thanks to those of you who didn't, but backed my right to post anyway.

To the three people who flamed me (Jory, Christopher and TeriAnn), and those who
didn't but maybe shared their opinion, I am very sorry that you were incensed 
by my words and style. But that's it. I'm *not* sorry I wrote those words, as 
I report as I see, and from the feedback I got I fully intend to continue. If
you don't like it, you can killfile my emails and just ignore/skip my 
contributions to the list (TeriAnn claims she does the latter already). It
shouldn't be hard, my name's not exactly unobtrusive.

I could write about the hassle I've had bleeding the brake nipples (damn! THAT
word again), and the fact that I've found a 7/16th socket the nearest match, 
and that I averted my gaze from beneath Allah when Anne the egg-collector 
strolled past in her brogues, rib-knit tights and plaid skirt... but I won't.
Why should I? It didn't interest me, and I doubt if it would you, either. So I 
shall resume relating any quirky, amusing Landie-related stories as they occur,
or as I remember them, thank you.

Did I mention the time the two nuns were driving into the village in an old
SIIA with broken leaf springs, and they hit a cobbled road, and halfway down
Sister Philomena turned to Sister^H^F^D^R.... Nah, fergit it...

Back to the subject header: More Bio Info about Allah and how I acquired this 
wierd vehicle:
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         A Madman's Perspective - The Joys of Owning a Series One
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  Reproduced by Permission of 4x4 & Offroad Mart/Land Rover Mart, March 1995
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When I was a young lad, the first vehicle I fell in love with 
was the Willys Jeep, star of so many World War Two films of 
the era. A few years later and, due to exposure and familiarity 
(on the streets and in the fields, and on TV's "Daktari", of 
course), the Land-Rover had replaced the Jeep in my 
affections. I still associated the vehicle with derring-do on the 
allied front, or in the deserts of North Africa, but then I did 
have an excuse. 

It seems that the Hollywood moguls are just as fallible as the 
rest of us, especially when it comes to accuracy, particularly 
in the field of automotive history. For example, you may 
remember at the end of "Ice Cold in Alex", where John Mills 
and Co are bringing Anthony Quinn's Nazi spy in to turn him 
over to allied intelligence. As they drive through the streets of 
Alexandria, they stop off for an emotional farewell and a jar 
of "probably the best lager in the world". Well, those are 
serried lines of Land-Rovers in the long shots. The Land-
Rover was not put into production until 1949, and wasn't 
even a twinkle in Maurice Wilks' eye at the time the film was 
set!

Be that as it may, by the age of nine I had decided that "One 
day, I'm going to have one of those!". As it turned out, I was 
to have a long wait. In the meantime, I had schoolfriends 
whose fathers ran long wheelbase Land-Rover Safaris, and 
tinkered with them at weekends, with me peering in through 
the garage doors, watching the strange mechanical wizadry 
being performed. Timing chains, valve clearances, tappets, 
"Top Dead Centre" - it was all a new and puzzling lexicon to 
me!

As I grew older, my friends began to buy Land-Rovers of 
their own. One had a SWB Series II from the mid-sixties, and 
ferried the rest of us (sixth-form party animals that we were) 
from venue to venue. That machine certainly earned it's keep 
over those two years! And then there was my friend Malcolm, 
a keen clay pigeon shooter, who bought an old AA Land-
Rover (resprayed black) to indulge his hobby. As my Best 
Man, he delivered me to the church in it. Anything to keep 
my panicked mind from contemplating the impending life of 
cosy matrimony, I can remember casting envious glances at 
his "Landie", and wishing I was in the Welsh hills 
somewhere, pitting man and machine against the elements, 
rather than lurking outside a foreboding church on a blustery 
October afternoon, nervously shifting from foot to foot.

And so I settled down, and thoughts of offroading in Solihull's 
finest faded from my mind. Until that fateful evening in the 
autumn of 1988. I was just coming out of Threshers with the 
weekly shopping when a vision in drab olive thundered past. I 
just had time to see a placard with the words "For Sale" 
before it was gone.  Throwing the shopping into the back of 
the family Fiesta, I gave chase. "When we get close enough, 
write down that phone number!" I barked at my wife, Jane. 
"But I haven't got a pen and paper!" she wailed. "Improvise! 
Improvise!".

We chased that damned Land-Rover all over north London, 
leapfrogging the intervening traffic, trying to get close enough 
to read the phone number. The poor little Fiesta was 
screaming, it's rust and off-white lattice bodywork threatening 
to fly off at any moment. I don't know how the driver of our 
target managed to keep the speed up - the Land-Rover has 
never gone that fast since! We eventually got within legible 
distance, and Jane scrawled the number on the windscreen 
with her pink gloss lipstick, before we peeled off and retraced 
our steps home.

A couple of evenings later I was inspecting ALA 208A 
("Allah"), and supposedly weighing the vehicle up. The 
canvass tilt was torn and fitted badly, the doortops had no 
glass, none of the dashboard instruments worked, and the 
brake- and sidelights were faulty. It didn't have any seats 
(well, someone had slid in a Ford Zodiac banquette seat, 
which prevented access to the fuel tank) and the heater didn't 
work. I took it for a test drive. The engine ran ragged, the 
brakes were ineffectual, and the steering and suspension were 
sloppy enough to let the beast wallow all over the road. I was 
in love!

I peeled off notes from my wad of grubby fivers as Jane 
covered her eyes, weeping softly.

At this time, I knew absolutely nothing about the various 
Land-Rover models over the years, apart from the fact that 
some were short wheelbased, and others long, and that the 
newer ones had headlights on the wings, as opposed to either 
side of the radiator grille. The owner claimed it was a 1964 
model, but even I had my doubts. His assertion came, no 
doubt, from the fact that the vehicle's registration plate bore 
an 'A' suffix. I knew that the 'A' plates had been issued in 
1964, but only in the London region, so that when the DVLA 
had come into being in the late 1970s, the surplus numbers 
had been used to re-register vehicles that had previously been 
removed from the register, in storage or out of the country. 
This vehicle was certainly older. The vehicle registration 
document listed it as having a date of manufacture of 1954, 
and an engine size of 1600cc. This looked like a good point 
to start from. I decided a bit of research was in order.

The Land-Rover Series One, as it's name implies, was the 
first mass-production four wheel drive vehicle produced by 
the Rover Motor Company. The Land-Rover was the 
brainchild of Maurice Wilks, Head of Engineering at Rover. 
Impressed by the wartime Willys Jeep, he built a prototype 
vehicle using a combination of Rover and Jeep parts. The 
objective was to design a utility vehicle primarily aimed at 
the agricultural markets. Due to post-war rationing, the 
company was unable to get its steel allocation from the 
Government increased, and therefore turned to aluminium, in 
the form of its "Birmabright" alloy, as the material from 
which the coachwork was to be manufactured (a feature 
which has remained in all 'workhorse' models, to the present 
day). Another feature, of the prototype at least, was the 
central position of the steering wheel and driver's seat, a 
feature intended to appeal to the export markets (obviously 
not a successful one, as this was dropped in the production 
models). 

The Series One was first unveiled to the motoring press and 
the public at the Amsterdam Motor Show of 1948, to 
considerable acclaim, and went into production in 1949. The 
original 80" 1600cc model was trialled by the Army in 1950, 
who were unimpressed by the vehicle's underpowered engine. 
In response to this, Rover produced a 2800cc-powered 
variant, which, together with the original vehicle and the 
Austin Champ, competed in the trial. The standard Land-
Rover came out best! Despite this, the military were 
unconvinced, and the contract went to Austin for the Champ.

The standard engine was replaced with a  2000cc unit in 
1951, and in 1954, the wheelbase was increased to 86", and 
then 88". In 1955, a long wheelbase model was introduced.

Winston Churchill was one of the more famous owners of the 
Series One. In 1954, a vehicle was demonstrated to him at 
Chartwell. He instructed his chauffeur to drive it into the 
biggest, deepest bog he could find, with predictable results. 
The vehicle got stuck fast, and the smart, besuited Rover 
directors were obliged to get out and push, getting sprayed 
head to foot in watery mud!

The Series One was replaced with the Series II, with a new 
shape and uprated 2250cc engine in 1958, followed by the 
IIA in in the early 1960s, which lasted until the introduction 
of the Series III (with the wing-mounted headlights - a 
European motoring regulation) in 1972. The "Series" Land-
Rovers ended in the early 1980s with the introduction of the 
"Defender" and "County" lines (the hyphen was dropped, too, 
with the marque being advertised thereon after as Land 
Rover).

So, armed with my "potted history", I spent the next few 
months and years slowly restoring my pride and joy, and 
trying to establish its provenance a bit more accurately. This 
is where I hit real trouble. Nothing seemed to match with my 
research! John Pretty was doing some work on the drive train 
and steering for me, and had a 1954 86" model in the 
workshop, which looked nothing like mine, which was 
definitely earlier. This I had surmised from the 1600cc 
engine, which dated it to 1951 or earlier. Then John withdrew 
the front halfshafts, which turned out to be "Hardy Spicer" 
tractor joints, rather than the more common universal joints. 
A very early feature! But then, the earliest models were 
permanent 4x4 drive, unlike mine, which was switchable, and 
the earliest ones had no door handles, which mine certainly 
did. There was a lot of soundproofing material inside the 
engine compartment, which looked like it had been there 
from new, despite my being told that this was never a factory-
fitted option. I also had an array of instrumentation, levers, 
switches and PTOs that I couldn't find listed in any manuals!

I was beginning to come to the conclusion that I had got 
myself a real "Heinz 57" vehicle, when I made a 
breakthrough. Someone put me in touch with Rover, who in 
turn advised me to contact British Motor Heritage, who, from 
the engine, chassis and vehicle numbers, were able to give me 
manufacture and shipping details. "Allah" had been built in 
January 1952, and delivered to the Rover Technical School 
in Solihull. Aha! Pieces were dropping into place. The 
vehicle had obviously been used as a mid-run prototype 
tester, with all sorts of strange combinations (both old and 
pre-production) being tried out on it! This didn't really 
answer any specific questions, but it did stop me worrying 
when I found non-standard items (NB. when sanding down 
prior to repainting a couple of years ago, I found the 
"original" number plate painted directly onto the wing - 662 
JGP - but have been unable to trace previous owners).

Since getting "Allah" back into (off-)roadworthy condition, 
we've been all over the place - RTV trials in the home 
counties, greenlaning and fundays in the Peak District, the 
Pennines, the Yorkshire Dales and Moors, and one 
memorable rally: the Milles Rivieres in the mountains of 
southern France last October/November. Unfortunately, we 
didn't complete the rally, due to being rolled off a 
mountainside at a crucial moment, but "Allah" survived, and 
drove back to Yorkshire under it's own steam. Not bad for a 
43-year old vehicle! Now "Allah" doubles as village taxi, pub 
shuttle and general recovery vehicle - until the next rally, that 
is!

I don't even want to contemplate how many thousands of 
pounds I've spent on this fools' errand, and how many more 
I'm going to have to part with (the cylinder head is currently 
off, awaiting a re-skim; new shocks, springs and brakes are in 
order; and a respray is being contemplated). A Series One is 
not a cheap toy, spares becoming increasingly rare and 
consequently expensive. What I can't salvage from wrecks in 
scrap yards, I order from reputable dealers and mail order 
firms such as Blanchards, Jacksons and John Craddock, 
although a tight budget often makes for a long wait while the 
coffers replenish. One thing I do know is this - I will never 
recoup my investment should I decide to part with the old 
beast!

Sometimes I wake up on a cold morning, and looking out 
through the window, my heart sinks as I watch the trees 
waving in the buffeting wind, the driving rain pelting against 
the panes. At times like this I pray for the comfort of a Range 
Rover or a Discovery, but only for a few seconds. Who wants 
the staidness of a mobile armchair, whisking you from A to B 
in coddled comfort, when instead you can embark upon a 
great adventure? When you can set off, braving the elements 
on an epic quest, knowing that the odds are stacked 
hopelessly against you, with only a dim chance of returning 
unscathed? And that's only getting the morning papers!

I know in my heart that I am not an "owner", but rather one 
of a dwindling breed, a custodian of a sacred flame, the 
legend that is Land-Rover. And I wouldn't have it any other 
way.

-- 
Pierre
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"...But what if Glub _IS_ Eihort?"
        - Adam Justin Thornton (adam@phoenix.princeton.edu) worries me in email
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:47:12 GMT -0600
Subject:       Speedy Seal

Well, I guess my brain is going. yesterday I wrote reagarding the 
timing cover oil seal. The speedy seal (or is it Speedy Sleeve?) will 
work for that oil seal because it goes on the pully, not the crank 
shaft. Duh. Maybe it's because my wife is about to have a baby and 
things are a little crazy. I obviously wasn't thinking straight 
yesterday. 
I have used the sleeves though and they work well.

Tom Rowe
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Center for Dairy Research
1605 Linden Dr., Madison, WI 53706
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
Home:608-243-8660
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 08:02:18 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Brake light going on.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Brake light going on.
I had a similar "problem" with my '94 Land Rover Discovery. When
descending a VERY steep grade (approx. 40 degree slope) the brake light
went on. (a REALLY bad time to start to worry about such things.) The
fluid level was on the "ok" range, but it seems that the extreme angles
caused the fluid to tip to one side, thus causing the float to drop, and
voilla... I added fluid to top it off and haven't had a problem since.
Maybe your rapid deceleration is causing the same sort of thing to
happen.

Good luck...

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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From: "Richard M. Platkin" <platkr@rpi.edu>
Subject: Discovery aftermarket parts in U.S.
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:14:24 -0500 (EST)

  Does anyone know of suppliers for aftermarket
Discovery parts in the U.S.  I'm particularly
interested in replacing the front bumper
with something sturdier and mounting a winch
on the front.  I'm also interest in obtaining
ARB lockers.  Thanks.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:24:13 GMT -0600
Subject:       Tubless Tires; Diesel wanted

I saw a post in todays digest regarding tubless tires. I haven't 
experienced this but a friend, rest his soul, from Vt that drove his 
L/R many miles on muddy roads told me he had problems with tubless 
tires. He said that after a long mud season, the mud and crap would 
work it's way into th ebead and break the seal. He went to tube type 
and the problem was gone. As far as the tube sliding around, you have 
to make sure they are properly inflated. If you need to air down, do 
it for only a short time.

Diesel engine:
The petrol engine in my lightweight is nearly dead. It still gets me 
there and back,  but there's little oil pressure, the rings are 
so bad it's blowing oil out the filler tube etc. etc. I'd like to 
find someone in the US that has a diesel engine they want to get rid 
of.  I don't want any cracked heads, a bad block is ok as I have 
several petrol blocks. A rebuildable one is OK. I'd be interested in 
a good deal on a  running engine, 2.25l, 3 or 5 bearing, or a 2.5l.
Please e-mail me direct.

Tom Rowe
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Center for Dairy Research
1605 Linden Dr., Madison, WI 53706
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
Home:608-243-8660
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu

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From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:08:57 +200
Subject: GEARBOX BROKEN (?) - ADVICE

HELLO FOLKS,

Here in DEEPEST, DARKEST AFRICA where life continues as ever
before (G&T, Sun downers and GREAT SUN SETS) I have noticed
that there have been few technical questions lately (but lot's
about two lists and flames which I just delete).  Here is one
for you:

When i pulled off from a robot this morning there was a sudden
GRINDING sound from the underneath somewhere and LOSS of POWER
to the wheels.  I thought it could be a half shaft (i only
wish) but on engaging 4X4 the same noise occurred when I tried
engaging gears.  The CLUTCH is firm and fine (by all
appearances), meaning it is the GEARBOX.

QUESTIONS:  1 - Any idea what the PROBLEM is?
2 -  What ADVICE do you have if I do it myself?  Never looked
at gearboxes before.
3 - While it is out how about doing other maintenance /repairs
/checks (cos i hear this is a NO FUN JOB - not to be repeated
in the WILDS of AFRICA).

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanx

Barry

 

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 12:16:08 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: GEARBOX BROKEN (?) - ADVICE

In message <199503171705.RAA06180@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>  writes:
> HELLO FOLKS,
you:
> When i pulled off from a robot this morning there was a sudden
> GRINDING sound from the underneath somewhere and LOSS of POWER
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> engaging gears.  The CLUTCH is firm and fine (by all
> appearances), meaning it is the GEARBOX.

If you broke a rear axle you might get nasty noises in 2WD or 4WD.  Ether way 
you are applying energy to the rear axle.

So... no power to wheels & noise in 2WD.  Could be rear end or transmision.
If in 4WD, hubs locked and the car moves, problem most likely with rear.  
else if in 4WD, hubs locked the car does not move, transmision/transfer case.

If you have moved the LR after the loss of power, and it is the inner part of an
axle chances are very good that the diff now has broken gears.

As I remember, broken axles are not noisy after they break (at least mine were 
quiet after the Bang).  When my transmission layshaft broke, the transmission 
was noisy in all gears but 4th.

Etherway, the longer you try to drive with a bad transmission the worse it will 
become.  If you have a broken axle, remove rear prop shaft & both axles.  If an 
axle broke at the outer end, this will save the diff.  If its at the inner end 
the diff often goes before you can stop the car.

> Any help would be most appreciated.
> Thanx
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Thanx
> Barry

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:27:06 -0800
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: GEARBOX BROKEN (?) - ADVICE

"Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za> wrote:
>When i pulled off from a robot this morning there was a sudden
>GRINDING sound from the underneath somewhere and LOSS of POWER
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>engaging gears.  The CLUTCH is firm and fine (by all
>appearances), meaning it is the GEARBOX.

 I had a similar problem with my '72 Series III 88.  Driving along
 I suddenly had a horrible grinding noise, like my gearbox had
 totally trashed itself.  I slam on the clutch, the noise goes away,
 and I coast to a stop.  The engine still purrs, I try and engage the
 box, grinding starts again.  So I had it towed home (embarrassment
 all around), checked the gearbox (both of them and the OD) oil for
 bits of metal, teeth, etc  -- all clean.  I let it sit for 9 months
 while I got up the courage to disassemble it and take the box to
 Scotty's.  Finally, as I pulled back the box from the engine, large
 chunks of metal dropped to the floor --my clutch had shattered into
 a dozen fragments and was falling out.  I turned the box by hand,
 peered into all openings, reassembled the truck with a new clutch
 and new gear oil --voila, "On the road again..."

 My symptoms were thesame as yours, engage gear, let out firm clutch,
 GRRRRRR.  Change gear, let out clutch, GRRRRR.  The clue for me was
 NO debris in the gear oil --I supposed that the box could have been
 damaged with no metal fragments showing up in the oil (?).

 Let us know how it's going!

 

  Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.500-442-6500
  Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
  NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

  ftp://ftp.crl.com/ftp/users/cs/cs/unimog.html

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@WellsFargo.COM>
Subject: Riding or Driving
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 12:58:00 PST

Russ asked:
>>Now for the tough issue, is it P.C for my wife to ride in the D-90?

No, certainly not.  It is you that must ride, and your wife must be at the 
helm!
Don't forget, with PC  _CONTROL_  (and who has it) is the real issue.

Smiles
Gerry 72 88

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 14:15:13 PST
Subject: subscribe

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From: bell@tartan.sps.mot.com (David Bell)
Subject: Scottish 4WD Fun Day
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:01:35 GMT

A Four Wheel Drive Fun Day is being planned by the recently formed
Clyde Four Wheel Drive Club. The following information is liable to be
altered, but is accurate at the moment.

Venue: Greenock area ( 20 odd miles west of Glasgow )
Date:  Sunday, 9th April
Time:  Be there for 9.30 a.m.
Cost:  Small admission charge to cover insurance through RAC

Anyone is welcome, membership of the club is not required. This is the
first event that the club has (or should that be is attempting to ?)
organised.

All I know about the venue so far is that it is not the most arduous
of courses, as vehicles are expected that might not normally go off
road (such as Vitaras, Santanas etc ;-))  but it will be muddy.

I would like to take this opportunity to invite all and sundry along
for what promises to be a fine day for slagging off non LR owners.
Please feel free to contact me for further details, or to register
interest at this early stage. A word of warning should be noted that
this is not likely to be a glossy event. There will probably not be any
hot catering, and it will (rain|snow). It is Greenock that we are
talking about.

If you have a winch you are especially welcome, as my N reg 88 has got
a problem with the transfer box and continually pops out of 4WD !

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Date: 17 Mar 95 17:15:01 EST
From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Steel Wheels for Disco

I am looking for a set of reasonably priced steel wheels for my disco. The 16
inch wheels from a 1967 109 will fit (I've tried it). Used are okay as long as
their straight. I really don't want to pay dealer price for new wheels ($204
apiece) just to run some serious mud tires when I go off road. If anyone out
there has a set of four or knows a source please let me know. thanks

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From: JHowat@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:42:19 -0500
Subject: unssubscribe lro-digeest

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wrdmail.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: Steel Wheels for Disco
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 14:56:59 -0800 (PST)

>>>>> ritter mark c writes:
> I am looking for a set of reasonably priced steel wheels for my disco. The 16
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> apiece) just to run some serious mud tires when I go off road. If anyone out
> there has a set of four or knows a source please let me know. thanks
Try British Pacific in Pasadena, CA  Don't have their 800 number handy 
here but it's been posted before and you cab try 800 information or 
regular information.  I think John Hess paid something like $53-55 for a 
wheel last November.

John and I are thinking about putting together a bulk order for 16 inch 
wheels for our 109's.  anybody else interested?

Walt Swain
>>>>> ritter mark c writes:

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:03:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: New list for pigs.....

On 16 Mar 1995, Stefan R. Jacob wrote:

> oink...
> > I always assumed that Land Rover ownership indicated a degree of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> ( or was that pig.edu? )
> Stefan
> <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
Just when things were getting a bit lame with the departure of Taylor we now 
 get into a discussion on Charles Bukowski.....I would have to say that 
we are a fairly sophisticated bunch. Hell, I even change my underwear 
every day no matter if I need it or not!

Cheers
Russ

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Subject: Chemistry of Knock/Ping
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:19:00 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	I was sorting through a stack of papers and ran across an interesting
article.   It's from _Engineering and Technology Review_ which I think is
published by Lawrence Berkley Nat'l Labs.  The issue is Feb-March 1991.  The
article is called "The Chemical inetics of Engine Knock" was written by
Charles K. Westbrook and William J. Pitz and can be found on pages 1 to 11.

	They talk about octane and how the chemical structure of the CH chain
effects octane.  Also included is a short bit on why Tetra-Ethyl Lead
reduced knock.  

	And interesting quote was "And industry rule of thumb is that an
increase of one octane point equals about 0.1 cents per gallon in production
cost."   A nice bit of profit they're making on that 90 and high octane
gas, eh?

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:19:12 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Steel Wheels for Disco

I was very pleased with the price Octopus Motors in Vancouver Canada had 
for things like wheels.  Give them a try.  They have lots of other stuff 
at garage sale prices.  I haven't had a flyer from them for a while, but 
if you call information area code 604 I am sure you will get what you 
want. Dave VE4PN

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Date: 17 Mar 95 18:22:49 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Range rover

Last week I went with a workmate to a charity event to sell popcorn, one of the
customers commmented on my Land Rover sweatshirt and told me that his company
has a Range Rover for sale. It is a quarry company so as yet I do not know it's
condition, but it is a 1989, with  a speedo reading of 63k miles, again whether
this is highway or, site mileage I do not know, I'll get an indication next week
when I can go and see it.
  Some questions  :- how does one put a value on a Rangie here in the US  ? and
particularly in Western New York.
 , I have owned several in the UK and am well aware of the shortcomings, but who
cares, except for the auto trans. any tips on how to test would be appreciated.
 Outside of the states I have driven for years but here in the US I am
considered a probationer and  because of my short time in the country I am in
the risk pool, what sort of insurance cost is likely with  a Rangie ? I
currently pay around $650 for a Buick Century wagon ( no collision )

  Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile.

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:31:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Brake fluid Resevoir - SerIII

I had to replace my resevoir a few years back... I had accidently put my
thumb through it!! :( Ordered one from Atlantic British. They had to special
order it ... took about two months to get it... In the meantime, I patched
the old one with epoxy.. It held up fine and is still on the truck... 

If I needed another, I would try to order it directly from England, probablt
from Craddock or Paddock.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wrdmail.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: Chemistry of Knock/Ping
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:35:49 -0800 (PST)

>>>>> Benjamin Allan Smith writes:
> 	I was sorting through a stack of papers and ran across an interesting
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> effects octane.  Also included is a short bit on why Tetra-Ethyl Lead
> reduced knock.  
	And interesting quote was "And industry rule of thumb is that an
increase of one octane point equals about 0.1 cents per gallon in production
cost."   A nice bit of profit they're making on that 90 and high octane
gas, eh?
 
And all this time I thought they were loosing money on the high octane 
stuff!  Who can you trust if not the oil companies?

Walt Swain

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:32:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

Ciao

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:30:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: GEARBOX BROKEN (?) - ADVICE

Barry's gearbox is broken...

> When i pulled off from a robot this morning there was a sudden
> GRINDING sound from the underneath somewhere and LOSS of POWER
> to the wheels.  I thought it could be a half shaft (i only
.....snip......
> QUESTIONS:  1 - Any idea what the PROBLEM is?

It's broken... :) 

> 2 -  What ADVICE do you have if I do it myself?  Never looked
> at gearboxes before.

Well... you could open the plate on the top of the transfer case and see if
anything looks real nasty there... You probably won't find anything, but
it's worth a look.

Can't help too much with the tranny.. never rebuilt one myself. My SerIII
also has a busted tranny.. Third gear is gone.. (Works is first so I can move
the truck if I need to..)

> /checks (cos i hear this is a NO FUN JOB - not to be repeated
> in the WILDS of AFRICA).

No fun in the Wilds of New York either.. Good luck.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Fri, 17 Mar 1995 16:14:41 +1100
Subject:       USA - out West!

Dear LRO's,

    During the next month, I will be traveling in the Southwestern 
US, particularly Arizona, and visiting some abandoned mines, looking 
at geologic features, and in general exploring very remote areas by 
four wheel drive.  I am taking a lap-top computer with me and will 
be checking my E-Mail periodically.  During this time, I could post 
to the LRO-NET a short discourse describing our sights and adventures 
along the way.

*** Is this of any interest to the Rover owners on the LRO-NET? ***
    
    If so, I will configure both computers for this link on Monday and 
will be off Tuesday morning.  Please let me know by digest or 
individually.  If the count is large enough, I'll do it!

Later,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA  USA
1968 SIIA 88 `Bwana Mobile'
1969 Carawagon - SOON!!

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wrdmail.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: USA - out West!
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 16:39:59 -0800 (PST)

>>>>> John R. Benham writes:
> Dear LRO's,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> to the LRO-NET a short discourse describing our sights and adventures 
> along the way.
*** Is this of any interest to the Rover owners on the LRO-NET? ***
>     If so, I will configure both computers for this link on Monday and 
> will be off Tuesday morning.  Please let me know by digest or 
> individually.  If the count is large enough, I'll do it!
none
I'd like to see these, but please, to maintain the Rover orientation of
this List you will have to travel in a "Virtual Rover".  You accounts
should include a number of observations on how well your Rover is handling
flooded streams and the loose footing of tailings piles you encounter, 
especially in comparison to the marginal vehicles other, less fortunate 
and enlightened explorers, are are forced to use.  

And when you park your Rover in those old mining towns of questionable 
virtue, no speculation on the wild and wooly times they have seen. 

Walt Swain

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:18:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "Nancy L. Crawford " <crawford@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Cindy vs Utility

 Today on 92.1 (a local radio station) it was announced that 75 men were 
offered a date with Cindy Crawford anywhere they chose in LA  or a Land 
Rover utility vehicle. 

 EVERY SINGLE MAN CHOSE THE UTILITY VEHICLE!!!!!

  And I thought Cindy was soposed to be hot........

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:06:37 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: mod. to US D90 using UK..

Geoff,

What's your E-mail address?  I'm also in the Bay Area.  

Interesting to hear about the US soft top variations, I wasn't aware of 
these.  I think I'll have to see if I can get my hands on a US 
metal hardtop; probably not too likely.  Sounds like I have the Tickford 
(sp)[wish I could copy your message but the way I get the digest that's 
not possible].  I had a zipper fail in the rear and the dealer (Cole 
European - Walnut Creek) replaced them under warranty with some pretty 
tough YKKs that I picked up independently. Cole is less stuffy than some 
of the other pseudo Brit dealers around here but they're not that well 
informed on the vehicle.  Yeah, the fit isn't that great but it suits me 
fine and the windows are holding up OK (3/94 purchase).  I gave up on 
the stock snap fits and attached some toggle snaps - much better.  I'm 
not sure I'd want an entire zip out side window.  I prefer roll ups for 
working in and out of the vehicle side. This also appears to be a major 
draw back of the fibreglass top; less flexible if your working out of 
the rear.  Moreover, I'm very skeptical of standard zippers in general 
in field conditions.

I'm still looking at possible use of a UK hardtop, since I'm not 
concerned about reattaching the rear cage (It doesn't seem like a real 
roll cage anyway).  But the prospect is looking more remote/complicated 
the more educated I become.

If you want to E-mail me direct I'm at jjbpears@ix.netcom.com

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:29:27 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Live Rovers on the Net!

This didn't seem to make it out so here it is again...

> the followng web page:
> http://evo.net/bridgecam.html
> is connected to a camera we set overlooking a place where we park
none

Woo-hoo!  I'm famous!  You must have seen me on camera at about 5:30 or so.
 Do you save the images at all?  I figured that had to be the building.  I
was in the neighborhood, and thought I'd drop by and see if I was right.
Cool!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:29:30 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: My Maiden Voyage

Great Story!  I'm glad it worked out so well!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:29:33 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: The Prince of Darkness

> It just occurred to me that LUCAS is an acronym to explain the function
> of the switch
> "   Lighting     Usually     Causes   A     Short."
> Any other versions out there?

How about...

Left Ur Car At Scotty's

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:29:39 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Forward Control

> I think you're right about the 101 itself, but wasn't there a 109 foward 
> control that was the sort of predecessor (and not a very successful one) 

Dunno about that, but if you look at a 109" chassis (and an 88", I 
believe), there's two little holes up at the front end of each side.  These 
are there for optionally mounting the firewall right at the front turning 
it into a FC!  Honest -- I've seen 'em!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:16:48 PST
Subject: D90 tops, The List, D90 Clanking

Geoff writes:

>My '94 US D90 originally had the "Tickford" full canvas top.  It was a 
>nightmare.  3 Zippers tore out, all the windows were badly opaqued right out 
>the box, and it fit very poorly.  I don't think mine was unique.

My Tickford has held up very well. Freeway driving and flapping plus use
has done nothing to the stitching and zippers. My windows are nice and clear
(albeit quite dirty with a smog haze) although it is parked in a garage both
night and day (at work). I spoke with Chris at Badger Coachworks the other
day and he is doing some nice stuff with a new top he is designing for the
90 to be available in colors (in addition to his Tickford refurbs).

I've seen an example of the Bestop top and it is very nice. However there was
a huge gap between the left door top and the top itself, finger size. The top
appeared to be correctly fitted. IMO the fabric isn't "Rover" like and the
loss of the alpine windows takes something away.

>I don't like the fiberglass top because it has a relatively crude look to the 
>workmanship

I agree but then it is for a D90.

-----------------------

I think splitting the list would be a bad idea. While I'm sure many will
disagree with me I think there is valuable and/or interesting information
from both ends of the spectrum and everywhere in between. (The day is not
far off when we'll have our first 4.0SE RR member.)

Even though messages may not be even remotely applicable to my 90 I find
the "chatter" interesting and often humorous (this last week being perhaps
an exception). For some of us the list is our only "Rover Support Group".

I say let's stick together. Whether it's a Series I, Series II, Series IIa,
Series III, FC101, LW, 110, 90, Discovery, RR, or 4.0SE RR, it's still a
Land Rover and that's what THIS list is about and for.

Well, that's my 2-bits anyway.

-----------------------

Russ,

Is it possible your parking brake is not releasing but is binding while
driving? I've had this problem, just back off the adjustment bolt (17mm) on
the drum housing to see.

- Stephen, Land Rover owner

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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 23:16:21 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Rx for saving this list

How to save this list:

I originally wrote a long message but trashed it because it has all been 
said, too many times at that.  So I'll just say this:  The list will grow in 
terms of participants and all should be welcome.  But we've all got to use 
restraint about what and how much we post.  Please use brief, descriptive 
subject lines.  I get mountains of e-mail and have had to get very good at 
skimming the subjects and deleting all the drivel without reading it.  
Others need to try this.

End of lecture.

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