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1 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 11 | Re: That does it -- I am not sensitive! |
2 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 11 | Re: OOF: RE: Bullbars |
3 | jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) | 26 | Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr |
4 | azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo | 21 | Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr |
5 | azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo | 17 | Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instruction |
6 | azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo | 21 | Re: lockers |
7 | azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo | 13 | Re: Overdirve/seatbelts |
8 | azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo | 22 | Re: 109s vs 88s |
9 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 19 | Re: The Prince of Darkness |
10 | Charlie Wright [cw117@mo | 16 | Re: OOF: RE: Bullbars |
11 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 19 | An Introduction to Offroad Instruction |
12 | Tom Stevenson [gbfv08@ud | 20 | Bush winches |
13 | "Lapa, Hank" [hlapa@Zeus | 73 | American Angst |
14 | Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar | 22 | Re: Sighting ... believe it or not |
15 | CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR | 19 | Unsubscribe |
16 | James Kirkpatrick - INEN | 21 | 3 Canadian Rovers 4 Sale |
17 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 47 | Re: Forgiveness Requested |
18 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 32 | Re: lockers; front oil seal |
19 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 21 | Re: 3 Canadian Rovers 4 Sale |
20 | sgross@enet.net | 23 | ARB airlock differentials |
21 | RLZiegler@aol.com | 37 | Swivel goop & heater |
22 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 27 | Re: Make love, not cars |
23 | Keerock2@aol.com | 31 | Re: 110s |
24 | Keerock2@aol.com | 75 | Road and Track |
25 | "RUPERT.OJ.HINE" [915555 | 44 | Forward Control |
26 | jjbpears@ix.netcom.com ( | 15 | re: Intro to Offroad Instr. |
27 | jjbpears@ix.netcom.com ( | 24 | re: Disco/Def90 |
28 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 13 | Re: Forward Control |
29 | Mike Fredette [mfredett@ | 30 | [not specified] |
30 | jjbpears@ix.netcom.com ( | 42 | Modifications to US Defender 90 using UK parts? |
31 | Kerry Jones ext 8002 [RG | 14 | [not specified] |
32 | Mike Fredette [mfredett@ | 30 | [not specified] |
33 | abalser@salrm.alaska.edu | 16 | two lists better than one? |
34 | "Mugele, Gerry" [Gerry.M | 17 | TLCs |
35 | Guy Arnold [GUY@facade.a | 64 | Landrover for sale |
36 | "Kerner, Robert" [FORK0@ | 14 | Tires |
37 | jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) | 42 | Re: two lists better than one? |
38 | Charlie Wright [cw117@mo | 23 | Re: Forward Control |
39 | William.Grouell@Eng.Sun. | 31 | Re: lockers |
40 | Morgan Hannaford [morgan | 21 | Re: New list for pigs..... |
41 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 8 | Autocar |
42 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 26 | Re: Tires |
43 | Mike Fredette [mfredett@ | 11 | [not specified] |
44 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 15 | Re:sophistication? |
45 | Mike Fredette [mfredett@ | 18 | [not specified] |
46 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 43 | Re: two lists better than /Introduction to Offroad? |
47 | Craig Murray [craigp@ocs | 28 | Re: Forward Control |
48 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 18 | D-90 starting to fall apart. |
49 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 26 | Re: American Angst |
50 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 20 | Re: TLCs |
51 | sgross@enet.net | 18 | Introduction |
52 | "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" [7 | 24 | Junk mail |
53 | RovingNut@aol.com | 31 | Politics, Bradies, & Winches |
54 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 31 | Re: 3 Canadian Rovers 4 Sale |
55 | Sanna@aol.com | 7 | Re: two lists better than one? |
56 | RICKCRIDER@aol.com | 12 | Re: 110s |
57 | RICKCRIDER@aol.com | 13 | Re: No Subject |
58 | RICKCRIDER@aol.com | 8 | Re: New list for pigs..... |
59 | RICKCRIDER@aol.com | 13 | Re: two lists better than one? |
60 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 12 | Re: Forward Control |
61 | WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbi | 25 | two lists |
62 | Craig Murray [craigp@ocs | 23 | Re: Forward Control |
63 | mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne | 37 | 109s vs 88s |
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: That does it -- I am not sensitive! Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 9:01:21 GMT Whaddya mean the Yanks bailed us out for the second time.Bollocks! John Wayne did it all on his own! *Anyone* knows that! *And* in a jeep.Talk about handicapped. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: OOF: RE: Bullbars Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 9:32:43 GMT > Hello, Duncan A D Rose is away from the office but will be returning on > 24.04.95. For further assistance please contact Keith Cameron on 644269. none Is this supposed to be a joke? Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 01:29:55 -0800 From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr [schnip] >I despise PC, but despite that I get on fine with bimbos, coons, stumpies, >queers (OK, maybe not queers.....) etc.etc. Cos they can tell when the barbs ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thanks for explaining your tolerance and openmindedness with this post Andy. I for one appreciate the insight into your delightful little worldview. >are covered with sugar or poison. And they fight like with like instead >blowing all the diodes down their left side........ I guess it's just too bad for the queers, even if they own land rovers and/or can divine the nature of your "barbs"... -jory ps: Don't worry, with the attitudes recently expressed on lro@ (which surprised even me), I'm sure your homophobia will be well received and widely supported. Good show! ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:51:49 UNDEFINED / /------------------------------------------------------------------------ / PC PRIMER /------------------------------------------------------------------------ I heard they were pissed off with being repressed by all these nasty insensitive people who fall over laughing whenever the letters PC are mentioned, adn had decided to rename it (fanfare) Social Sensitivity............. Cant improve on that really........... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instruction Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:54:36 UNDEFINED /how to drive is just plain unacceptable. And the way you did it, as if these /young women were a subhuman species that you personally find repulsive says a /lot about you. What I read from your message is that you hate women, and /find them totally disgusting. Maybe you should move to a place where you can I would like to state here and now, in public, that I have absolutely nothing against women. Every man should own at least three. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: lockers Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:01:43 UNDEFINED /was designed to leak. I wonder if the English thought that cars were /supposed to leak, kind of like bleeding, if the fluid was coming out then /stuff couldn't get in. Hey that's a clever thing right? Yes. That's right. It saves having to change the oil. You just top it up every day, adn it slowly changes itself. So you dont damage your engine when you forget to change the oil. Also, a lot of heavy plant DOES have seals designed to leak. The slight overpressure adn leakage of oil keeps the dirt out of teh seals. Not sure if this is the reason with Landrovers tho....... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Overdirve/seatbelts Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:57:37 UNDEFINED / Rick Crider writes: `Overdrive Whine - is this normal? and Only if you repress it by using the insensitive non-PC term Cruising Gear. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: 109s vs 88s Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:22:10 UNDEFINED > Any comments on the positive qualities of each of these vehicles? I am There are a lot of landrovers hereabouts. The general rule of thumb is that farmers use 88s cos they are a much better towing platform. But there is sod all room in em without a trailer. So everyone else who doesnt spend their lives towing things uses 109s with LOTS of space in teh back. I have a 90 cos of the higher gearing adn consequent fuel consumption (which was important on the dole....). If I were doing it again, I'd get a 110, wait till the day it was out of warranty, adn fit 90 final drive......... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 05:57:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: The Prince of Darkness Trevor comes up with... > It just occurred to me that LUCAS is an acronym to explain the function of > the switch > " Lighting Usually Causes A Short." > Any other versions out there? I've got a black T-shirt with the word LUCAS across in large letters. The U is mostly blacked out. Above it is the Lucas lion, getting shocked from a wire.. Below it says "A good days work and home before dark" Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:58:15 +0001 (GMT) From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk> Subject: Re: OOF: RE: Bullbars On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Mike Rooth wrote: > > Hello, Duncan A D Rose is away from the office but will be returning on > > 24.04.95. For further assistance please contact Keith Cameron on 644269. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > Is this supposed to be a joke? > Mike Rooth I think you got the answerphone... cw ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: An Introduction to Offroad Instruction Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 12:18:07 GMT Dear Sir and Madam, Your comments are noted and filed.The filing system is round. I assure you of the following: 1)That the individuals concerned are not,and do not feel,in any way "opressed",as you put it. 2)That we,in this country are perfectly well able to order our own affairs without interference,particularly from foreigners. Yours Sincerely M.J.Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: Bush winches Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:14:25 +0000 (GMT) In the dim and distant past when I was a scout we used the two pole bush winch described by Andy Woodward to tension aerial runways. I think it's called a spanish windlass; it worked very well. However, unless you cart two immense poles around with you, it may not be easy to do. Far easier to get the two immense poles to give you a push or use the high-lift as a short pull winch. The other gadget I have heard about but never seen are winch hubs; the principle being that drums attached to the wheelnuts wind in two ropes as the front wheels turn, thus hauling you out. Cheers! -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(0475) 530581 Fax:(0475) 530601 ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 08:13:01 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com> Subject: American Angst Friends, Rovers, (and especially) Suffering Countrymen, This posting, while of possible interest to many and related to other recent postings, is NOT about LAND-ROVERS, the greatest vehicle in the world. Use your DELETE key NOW and save youself the complaint. The reactions to the OBVIOUSLY-*intended*-to-be-funny-but-not-taken-that-way-by-all piece are tame compared to what I've seen on some other, (questionably) more academic lists, but I beg indulgence to provide some insight for the benefit of those outside the undefended borders of Imperial America, a country second only to North Korea, Syria, the IRA, Somalian warlords, Hollywood.... A few weeks ago, in the midst of the Smithsonian Enola Gay display embarassment, the Bill in Congress to monitor the net, and the November elections (2nd American Revolution), a couple of lists I subscribe to were rife with panic over how the morons of America (meaning regular, hard-working, taxpaying suckers, that is, most of us) were all set to persecute the righteous (meaning artists, academics, hungry children, bathhouse society, etc). A large percentage of the PC outrage, paranoia really, came from ".edu" addresses. [NOTE: I am *not* NOT *!!NOT!!* saying that most or all such address holders are paranoid, but I'm sure this disclaimer will somehow be misinterpreted by someone. Perhaps I'm just being paranoid. Why is everyone always against me?] Anyway, through the foggy haze of the sixties still clinging to the e-mail messages on these other lists was a description from one no-doubt tenured elitist who related how he and his friends were alarmed at the similarities between present-day America (meaning Gingrich, Republicans) and the end of the Weimar Republic/rise of Nazi Germany. I really should have asked which they found more alarming -- the official government policy on classifying and rewarding people on the basis of race, or the efforts by the government to take away the firearms of decent, law-abiding citizens. But I didn't. Another post, worried about arts funding, feared that we'd be infested by the mainstream ilk of Kenny G and Garth Brooks if the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) didn't get its millions of dollars to hand out for jars of urine, bloody rags, and other, less self-sustainable expressions of culture. So who's on TV last night visiting Congress to lobby in support of NEA money? Kenny G, who said he learned sax on taxpayer money and wants his kid to do the same, and, you guessed it, Garth Brooks. The mind wobbles. Still, no worse than the famous toxicologist Meryl Streep testifying before Congress on what pesticides are safe to use on apples. But hey, isn't this what makes America great -- truth need never be an insurmountable obstacle where "correctness" is concerned. Is it true what I've heard about the disgust our UK friends felt when they hosted the Clintons and their baby-faced staffers/friends to commemorate the D-Day sacrifices of our nations' sons and treasure only to have it turned into a party event by these brave, new leaders? Did this croud of wet-behind-the-ears American cretins steal your towels and silverware like they did on our aircraft carrier off the Normandy coast? OK, here's a Land-Rover question after all: How can you a real Land-Rover driver from a VW microbus driver? (Many of you have already answered.) Hank "Not-in-MY-Navy" Lapa ;-] Series II Red, White and Blue Don't hate me, I don't hate you Just wake up and get a clue! ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:42:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Sighting ... believe it or not > Ah, the places they turn up! There are supposed to be a pile of 101's buried under stage-makeup on the new Stallone move, Judge Dredd. Now there is a man who knows about flame wars! (BTW - dig out your old back issues and read the Dredd stories looking out for the little social barbs & satirical comments: 25% of all new housing *must* be made available to the City to allow citizens to be moved out so that sub-standard CityBloks can be replacement; and other themes) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> #======================================================================# ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:40:31 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Subject: Unsubscribe I have no way of knowing if messages I have posted in the past few days have gotten through. Bounces, when they do occur, take *three days* to reappear. The E-Mail system for Prodigy has collapsed (they admit it, due to a software bug from four months ago that they apparently have no intention of fixing), so I'm going with another service provider. See ya'll in a couple of days. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: James Kirkpatrick - INEN/F94 <jkirkpat@acs.ryerson.ca> Subject: 3 Canadian Rovers 4 Sale Someone requested a repost of the three Rovers for sale here in Toronto, here you are: 1960 109" pickup - $1500 1968 109" station wagon, pto, winch, warn hubs, tropic roof- $1500 1970 88" warn hubs - $2000 I haven't seen these yet, but he said they are suffering from typical frame rot. Contact Paul Burgess (905) 477-1328 Best of Luck, Jay Kirkpatrick ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:20:56 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Forgiveness Requested On 14 Mar 1995, R. Pierce Reid, OH wrote: > I am writing for forgiveness for destroying a Land Rover It is actually worse than you think... > I hosing out some crud under the wheel wells and was getting the mud off the > frame -- I mean that's ok, right? You can't get in trouble just hosing off the > frame? Not only acceptable, but even advisable. However... > I am really concerned about the environmental damage here! What about all the > undiscovered and undoumented species living it? What if some new kind of > wonder-drug could have been synthesized from that unidentifiable mold-patch I > unthinkingly scrubbed off the winch? It'll take me years to build up that 4wd, > rolling eco-system up again! No only the eco-system under your Rover needs to be attoned for, but think of the damage the tire foam, soap, and other cleaning agents are doing to the environment! The tire foam contains cfc's, now the ozone hole is going to get bigger. Algification of ponds from the soap used is going to lead to greater patchs of pond scum (as opposed to cesspool scum ie. Mike which is a 100% environmentally safe and efficient system for treating waste). > Should we start a support group for people thinking about washing their Series > Rovers? No, just an educational programme to make them aware of the environmental damage caused by their cleaning products, an accounting of the energy inputs to such products, & why it is far more ecologically conscious to use just plain water of the frame, drums etc... Rgds, Dixon PS. Bailed out Europe twice? Oh yeah, the cold war counts for the second time I guess. Silly Yanks did little, if anything in the Great War... ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 15 Mar 95 10:56:21 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: lockers; front oil seal Robert Kerner wants to know > My question is about the front engine oil seal. Is it as straight forward > as it seems? Just remove radiator and front panel, Pulley, and timing > cover, and there you are??? (*snip...*) *Depends* ... if the seal has already been replaced before you don't even have to take off the timing cover. Clean the circular retaining plate well and check whether it is affixed to the cover with screws or rivets. If you see rivets, the cover must come off; the rivets have to be drilled out, and there's a chance of debris falling into the timing gear housing in the process. If it is held in place by screws, just take them out and the retaining plate will come off. You can now pry out the seal, taking care not to foul or scratch the crankshaft surface or the cover opening. Clean and dry everything well, smear the outer seal surface with additonal sealing compound (such as Hylomar), apply grease liberally to the crankshaft surface and the inner lip of the seal, and press the new seal back in place, the inner (open) seal lip directed _towards_ the engine. Don't press in too far, let the retaining plate finish the job. In any case reaffix the retaining plate with short, hard sharp self-cutting metal screws of an appropriate size so that on the next seal replacement job the timing cover can stay in place. Seal the screw threads with Loctite or such. Oh yes, draining the oil before you start will make for a cleaner overall... Stefan <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: 3 Canadian Rovers 4 Sale On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, James Kirkpatrick - INEN/F94 wrote: > Someone requested a repost of the three Rovers for sale here in Toronto, > here you are: If anyone is interested, I'll post a description of their faults on Tuesday. I'm going to be in Toronto Monday & have arranged to go up and see them... BYW, the chap has received a number of calls on the PTO & PTO/Winch. He is not interested in breaking these vehicles up at this time, so you need not call about getting just those items. Framewise, the SW is in bad shape in the centre. The description sound like if you take the roof off to get at the frame, its breaking in two. That bad... The 88 is in better shape. Rgds, ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: sgross@enet.net Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 09:34:08 PST Subject: ARB airlock differentials Any of you have experience with the ARB airlockers? I installed one in the front of my Defender '90. I have a Gleason/Torsen locker in the rear diff as well. The combination works extremely well. The installation wasn't easy, though... potential for airleaks during installation, several "O" rings in the unit, 2 of which must be installed by the mechanic doing the work. If any leaks occur, that means complete disassembly of the diff, and on the front that is quite a job. It's also great to have an air compressor on board the vehicle. I find that by deflating the tires to 10-15psi I get much improved traction in loose snow, sand, mud. I found that out when I was driving a Hummer. The central tire inflation works great. It takes only one minute to air up each tire from 10psi to 28psi with the little ARB compressor. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen C. Gross pilot B737 America West Airlines e-mail: sgross@enet.net Phoenix, Arizona (602) 860-8051 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RLZiegler@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:05:48 -0500 Subject: Swivel goop & heater This is a repost having originally sent it Mar. 13. Brad Davis had questions on draining swivels and heating. RE: Swivel draining If you have access to compressed air first blow up through the drain hole to clear the passage, then blow through the fill hole to pressure the goop out (will need a rag to help seal the fill hole upon blowing into it). One could add kerosene to the swivel and run the vehicle down the road to thin the goop but this would be my last ditch effort short of disassembly of the swivel. 'Last ditch' because I don't particularly want thinned 90wt and goop getting into the bearings of the axle U joint or the hub bearings. RE: Heater One of my fellow L/R owners here in Rutland, VT. has just installed a heater he got from J.C. Whitney in his '62 SIIA 88 (with a SIII 2.25 lt. petrol engine). In some of our coldest weather in Feb. he claimed it put out so much heat he was sweating and his temp. gauge showed that his engine was running much cooler never reaching normal temp. I advised him to close the valve some thus restricting the amount of heated coolant going into the heater. The unit he bought fit inside the vehicle just at the top of the passenger footwell. It is a neat installation and one that I will eventually perform on my 88s when my heaters have to be replaced. The J.C.W. part # is 94XX3018WF and sells for $119.95. He ordered it from J.C. Whitney catalog # 567K (on page 23). In all my years working for ABP and British Rovers I was never able to get new Kodiac heaters. Even though they were made in Canada we were never successful in finding the address for Kodiac. Of course I could never be sure how hard the office tried to get this info. Anyone out there gotten a handle on Kodiac heaters or can give the rest of us any info about the makers of the Kodiac heaters? Happy Rovering, Rich Ziegler, L/R mechanic '63 88 pet. (in pieces) '74 SIII HT pet. daily driver ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:33:16 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: Make love, not cars Bill Leacock asks... > if the french should make love instead of cars 1) how do I become a > frenchman? and Easy. Act like everyone's doing you a favor when they pull you out of trouble, feed your kids wine, and don't talk to anyone who pronounces anything the way it's written. (But why would you want to?) > 2) what should Yanks and Limeys amke instead of cars? Yanks should make Jello, post-it notes, and Lucas/Spielberg movies. Limeys excel in three areas: Automobiles (Land Rover, MG, Jensen-Healey, etc.), Rock musicians (Beatles, Mark Knoppfler, etc.), and Comedy (John Cleese, et al.). Stick to that and you'll do fine. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Keerock2@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:12:46 -0500 Subject: Re: 110s Someone recently wrote: >>Would love to have one of the 500 '93 Defender 110's if you know the >> whereabouts of one reasonably close. I did not see the original author's message so I don 't know where "reasonably close" is, but I do know where two sharp D110s are for sale. During a recent drive on the way to San Diego I stopped by the LR dealership in Mission Viejo, CA. Normally they have a wonderful selection of D90s (one of which I hope to soon own). Anyway, to my suprise they had two beautiful white '93 D110s up on the display racks. One was a US release (#446/500?) with front winch and one was a Canadian release (complete with BC tags) with front/rear winch. They both had about 40k miles and were *very* clean in and out. The US 110 was $45k and the Canadian was about $49k (I guess because of the rear winch?). This was about two weeks ago, so maybe they're still there. Oh, they said the US unit was on consignment for someone if that makes a difference. Unfortunately, no commission for me on these, either. But tell them "Dean" sent you any maybe they'll throw in that LR key fob for me when I plunk down my $30k in the next month or so. :-> -Dean J. Silliman -Lake Arrowhead, CA, USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Keerock2@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:13:29 -0500 Subject: Road and Track Granville Pool wrote: >But this month's column (April issue) definitely caught my eye and I had to >read it. Why? Well, the soft-color illustration was of an old Land-Rover >88 tooling down a tree-lined lane. The article is charming, very kind to >Land-Rovers and admiring of Australia and New Zealand and the colorful old >British autos seen there, especially Land-Rovers: Okay, that posting and recent mentions of "Dr. Leakey" and "the fact that the D90 is considered a 'tractor' in some (UK) areas" has compelled me to share a snip of a Road & Track road test from a few months back: ***** ROAD TEST: Land Rover Defender 90 The newest British sporting machine. BY CSABA CSERE [... He goes on to say it's solid, quirky, loud, but very distinctive, etc., and generally gives it a good rating ...] THE VERDICT -Highs: Outstanding off-road capability, cuts a distinctive profile among the herds of commuters. -Lows: Noisy and tiring on the freeway, lofty sticker price. -The Verdict: The rustic interpretation of the British sports car. [The best part is the "Counterpoint" by other test drivers:] COUNTERPOINT Hey! Can you hear me? Sure is noisy in here. I'm driving this Defender at 70 on a Detroit freeway. But I don't feel like a commuter during rush hour. Right now I feel like Dr. Richard Leakey driving back through the Rift Valley on his way from Lake Rudolf in Kenya after having just unearthed another Pliocene hominid skull. Last night I felt like I was delivering the serum to the orphanage in Nome during a blizzard. Are these feelings worth $30K? Put it this way: In a similarly basic Jeep Wrangler I would feel like a California high school student cruising for a place to hide from the park ranger. --Phil Berg This certainly makes sense if you've quit your marketing job and are now mining for gold in the Brazilian rain forest. As an option, they should offer a gorilla to help you drive it. This is not so much a vehicle as a fast tractor for people in the hostage business. If Steven Seagal is so tough, let's see him drive it. I hurt myself just getting in (knuckle whack, door latch). Gearshift seems positioned for use by the driver in the car next to you. Great power from old Buick V-8, but noise and flapping canvas are disorienting. For comic relief, clutch and brake pedals have been moved three inches to the left. I hurt myself getting out, too. --Steve Spence Having spent last May in a Rover in Borneo, I have built-in prejudices in favor of this machinery, when, for example, you must surmount a muck-encrusted rock escarpment the size of the Lincoln Memorial, then ford a fetid four-foot-deep swamp inhabited by frogs shaped like bowling pins. Of course, this off-road capability is not entirely necessary to negotiate Kroger's parking lot. My point being merely that, as day-to-day commuter material goes, this purpose-built off-roader adapts to tarmac about as gracefully as a purebred Holstein on in-line skates. --John Phillips ***** Thought maybe this clip would serve a multipurpose for 1) the D90-Taylors out there who can't decide if they wanna spend the $30k (as if this clip will help push them into it), and 2) a good laugh for D90 and Series owners alike (a little unity?). Anyone interested in the entire article can get it on AOL or email to me. -Dean J. Silliman -Lake Arrowhead, CA, USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "RUPERT.OJ.HINE" <9155557@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:24:59 +0000 Subject: Forward Control Tom Proctor asked: > BTW, what exactly is a Forward Control? That sound like something I might > like to check into. Michael Loiodice replied: >It's a *big* mother! There's a few differant varieties, but probably the >most sought after is the military 101. Foward Control simply means the cab [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >101 is (I think) V-8 powered, lots of ground clearance and pretty much >un-stoppable off road. >It probably won't fit in your average garage... so if you really want one, >build a bigger garage! Well, as a proud owner of one of the beasts... They are about 7'6" tall and 6'0.5" wide and have a wheelbase of... 101" . Originally all (except some of the prototypes I think) were powered by the V8 but some have been converted to various diesels since leaving the British Army. Only 2669 were produced and although a few went to Luxemburg and one or two other places most were built for the British Army. They were built both in both LHD and RHD and 12V and 24V and in soft top (General service gun tractor) and two types of hard top - a radio van and an ambulance. The other sort of Forward Control is the six cylinder powered series IIB which was based on the 109" chassis and used mainly standard series parts. It was built for civilian use and was not as wide but a lot taller. Not surprisingly it had a reputation for being a little tippy!. The 101 is fantastic fun and yes it is virtually unstoppable off road (even with me driving it!) cheers Rupert ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:29:23 -0800 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: re: Intro to Offroad Instr. I don't mean to offend anyone, but could we please try to limit the postings to Land Rovers. Speaking for myself, if I wanted to weigh in on one side or the other of a "PC" issue I'd have subsrcibed to a different newsgroup. I suspect there's a fair number of us who'd rather keep mud discussions to how to drive in it. Thanks, Jeremy Bartlett jjbpears@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:56:09 -0800 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: re: Disco/Def90 Clayton, I can comment on the brake replacement issue at 30K. NO WAY! Whoever told you this is... well.. is an "automobile salesman" . I've put almost 24,000 mi on my '94 D90 with no signs even serious pad wear nevermind needing brake replacement. And even if this fellow were ... hmm... honest (let be direct here) the warranty is 3 years/42,000 miles; so where does this $1,200 at 30K figure come from (was he trying to get you into a Dodge)? The salesman I've dealt with who are currently selling the beasts often know less than the buyer and barely know where the service department is never mind the nicities of service/reliability records. Cheers, Jeremy Bartlett jjbpears@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Forward Control On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, RUPERT.OJ.HINE wrote: > Well, as a proud owner of one of the beasts... They are about 7'6" > tall and 6'0.5" wide and have a wheelbase of... 101" . Originally > all (except some of the prototypes I think) were powered by the V8 Both prototypes were powered buy the Rover V8. (They are about twenty miles for here rotting away in the woods) ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:10:44 -0800 From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@sybase.com> Jory shoots his mouth off, The sort of sexist, objectifying, testosterone laden shit in Pierre's "drivel" is truly hurtful. To be perfectly honest, while I was reading it, I kept trying to convince myself that it was some sort of parody, instead of facing the fact that people in an ad hoc community to which I belong could be such total fuckers. ***************************************************************** Well gee, how to put this. Get off your sactimonious, self-righteous horse you FOUL MOUTHED little twirp. Your gutter blathering is far more offensive than anything Pierre had to say. You notice that none of the Brits had any whining about the posting, that's because they took it just as most of the rest of us did, TOTALLY HARMLESS British humor. You need to watch some reruns of Benny Hill or even Monty Python, then get a life. All you have to do is delete the bloody message if your so damned OFFENDED, or better yet, unsubscribe. Why is, as ANDY WOODWARD stated in his post, everyone in America so thin skinned anymore. "Fragile flowers" I belive he said. Always worried about OFFENDING anyone GOD FORBID. "Basic Human rights", phuii, how EXACTLY were your or anyone elses "Basic Human rights"affected? I'm not sexist, never have been, but I CAN take things in the spirit in which they were intended. In this case, I laughed till I couldn't see straight. Guess maybe that makes my wife and I both misogynistic POND SCUM, since she thought it was hilarious too. So be it. But keep your pathetic, petty, college bonehead with nothing better to do, politics off the list. VERY CORDIALLY YOURS Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:03:16 -0800 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Modifications to US Defender 90 using UK parts? Apologies if this is a repeat posting; NETCOM (aka NETBLOCK is F'ing me around of late). I'm hoping someone can help with information on some modifications I'm considering to a US D90 ('94). I looking for comments on: Mounting Spare Tire on Hood/Bonnet: Are the kits advertised in the UK journals suitable for the US models? It seems like they ought to be. Does anyone know of any DOT BS [or other] that would prohibit hood mounting [after all we must be protected from ourselves :)]? Roof Racks: Does anyone know if the UK spec. D90 roof rack will mount on the US hard top? UK Hardtops/Rear Doors: Is it possible to replace the US 1/2 rear door with a UK full rear door. And is it possible as part of the same conversion to mount a UK hartop on a US D90 after removing the rear (non-window portion) "roll" cage? Again, I don't know if the DOT droids have objections to this or if any such imports would grab customs attention. I've yet to check on shipping charges but with US tops at $2,000 these are likely to be secondary. Point of Ignorance/Translation: Are the Hoods listed in the UK adverts the hardtops? Lockers: Does anyone have experience/comments on installing lockers on front/rear diffs in the D90. Just wondering. Good points? Bad points? Unnecessary? One more thing to break? Recommend US suppliers? Expected costs? Direct E-mail responses are welcome at: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com Cheers, Jeremy Bartlett ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:03 +1300 From: Kerry Jones ext 8002 <RGTY_KMJ@waikato.ac.nz> Hi, There has been a bit of discussion lately about leather gaiters for the chrome ball swivel pin housings. My Land Rover dealer here in Hamilton says he cant get them. I told him the part number and fiche page from my parts catalogue (Defender 110 1987 -> fiche 2 K10 part RTC 3826) Does any one know if this part number has changed for if they are still available for a 110. Kerry Jones, Hamilton, NZ rgty_kmj@waikato.ac.nz ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:10:44 -0800 From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@sybase.com> Jory shoots his mouth off, The sort of sexist, objectifying, testosterone laden shit in Pierre's "drivel" is truly hurtful. To be perfectly honest, while I was reading it, I kept trying to convince myself that it was some sort of parody, instead of facing the fact that people in an ad hoc community to which I belong could be such total fuckers. ***************************************************************** Well gee, how to put this. Get off your sactimonious, self-righteous horse you FOUL MOUTHED little twirp. Your gutter blathering is far more offensive than anything Pierre had to say. You notice that none of the Brits had any whining about the posting, that's because they took it just as most of the rest of us did, TOTALLY HARMLESS British humor. You need to watch some reruns of Benny Hill or even Monty Python, then get a life. All you have to do is delete the bloody message if your so damned OFFENDED, or better yet, unsubscribe. Why is, as ANDY WOODWARD stated in his post, everyone in America so thin skinned anymore. "Fragile flowers" I belive he said. Always worried about OFFENDING anyone GOD FORBID. "Basic Human rights", phuii, how EXACTLY were your or anyone elses "Basic Human rights"affected? I'm not sexist, never have been, but I CAN take things in the spirit in which they were intended. In this case, I laughed till I couldn't see straight. Guess maybe that makes my wife and I both misogynistic POND SCUM, since she thought it was hilarious too. So be it. But keep your pathetic, petty, college bonehead with nothing better to do, politics off the list. VERY CORDIALLY YOURS Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 12:33:18 AKS From: abalser@salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser) Subject: two lists better than one? Hey Everybody, I was just beginning to peruse my daily installment of the list, when it dawned on me that perhaps I wasn't the only owner of a series rover that just ignores the stuff about the Rangies and Discos. Being the lazy bastard I am, I thought I might suggest splitting the list into a series rover list and a Range/Disco list for more efficient perusal, (the Range/Disco folks get to keep Taylor, though). Thus the two fundamental questions are; 1) Is this something anyone else is interested in? 2) Would this make life easier or harder for those administering this service? Sooo, let me know if this is a decent/feasible prospect or if I'm just a raving freak after all, (the latter being probable in spite of any merits the idea may have). Later. -Andrew Balser ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@www.wellsfargo.com> Subject: TLCs Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:36:00 PST Hi all, I was asked, by a member of the WASHED heathen hoards, to see if anyone here knows of a list like this for Toyota Land Bruisers....er..ah...cruisers. I did suggest to him; that would be akin to a SIG list for refrigerators or wall furnaces but he persisted, implying that someone else might like TLCs as much as we like LRs. Ha!...but here goes anyway.... Thanks Gerry 72 88 ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Guy Arnold <GUY@facade.adm.clarkson.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 16:38:37 EDT Subject: Landrover for sale I have a 1973 Series III swb that I just completed restoring for sale. The following is a list of the work I completed on this vehicle to bring it back to top notch shape. I will start with the engine first. I rebuilt the waterpump,the alternator, starter, replaced the fuel pump, replaced the distributor cap, points, condensor, plugs, rotor, plugwires, replaced the heater pipes and hoses, replaced raditor hoses, replaced rear main seal, replaced main bearings, painted the engine, replaced studs on exhaust manifold, adjusted the timing and valves, replaced battery. The transmission and transfer case has new seals on output shafts, rebuilt the transmission brake, changed the gear lube, replaced the clutch disk and pressure plate, replaced the rubber boots on all levers. The body repairs included rebuilting the fender brackets/anchor points, installled new mud sheilds and steering box cover, rebuilt the side marker lights in front fenders,replaced the lower frames on both front doors and rear door, replaced the all window channels and driver's side fixed glass, replaced the transmission cowl and transmission cover, replaced the door mirrors, replaced the seats and rebuilt the seat box, replaced the left head light assembly (both are plastic now), rebuilt both footwells, repaired the door posts, replaced the floor boards with 1/8" aluminum plate, replaced both headlight bulbs. The frame, axles and brakes: I replaced the rear crossmember with the galvanized model with extensions including new rear spring hangers, replaced the transmission crossmember, replaced a body and gas tank outrigger, replaced hub seals, replaced all brake lines, rebuilt or replaced all wheel cylinders, replaced all brake adjusters, replaced fuel line, replaced seal in front differential, replaced front axle seals, replaced steering swivels, raico bushings, bearings and swivel seals, rebuilt the brake master cylinder, clutch master cylinder and the clutch slave cylinder, rebuilt the frame where needed, painted the frame and axles, and had the brake drums turned. I also replaced the heater fan, replaced seals in steering relay, and gaskets on steering box, replaced the tie-rod ends. The vehicle has been completely sanded, primed and painted. Everything works on the vehicle including the windshield washers. All lights, gauges and dials work. It has four new 15" B.F.Goodrich Mud and Snow tires. It has the spare tire rack on the bonnet and the rear door. The vehicle is not painted an original LR color but is British Racing Green. The galvanized trim is left bare. As I said at the beginning, the vehicle is in execellent shape. I have all the receipts for all original parts from Rovers North and Atlantic British plus all receipts from local autoparts store for nuts, bolts, paint, sheet metal, etc. I also have photos that I can send to serious parties. The reason I am selling is because I just bought another 1972 Series III swb that I am going to rebuild. I also have only a 3 car garage and it is full with my restored 1960 MGA 1600 roadster, the landrovers, my wife's Montereo, and my Toyota 4x4 so one must go and the wife says one LR is enough. I tried to convince her you can't have too many but she is not buying it. I am asking $7800.00 US for the LR. You can e-mail me or call after 6pm in the evenings starting Monday, March 20, I am out of town until then. Guy Arnold ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Kerner, Robert" <FORK0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu> Subject: Tires Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:54:00 PST I am not a tire person. I know the biggest tires I am supposed to run on the 16" rim is 7.50X16, but what does that translate into current specifications. I currently have 225 75 16 Goodyear Wranglers on it. I was wondering if I could run 235/85R16. This would give me a little more height right? Plus there are some BF Goodrich Mud Terrains I saw and really liked on a Defender 90. Anyone have any Tires do's and don'ts? Rob Kerner ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:01:34 -0800 From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: two lists better than one? > I was just beginning to peruse my daily installment of the list, >when it dawned on me that perhaps I wasn't the only owner of a series [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] >just a raving freak after all, (the latter being probable in spite of any >merits the idea may have). Later. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The last time I suggested even considering this (september), I received about a dozen pieces of supportive email, and a serious amount of flammage (even though I emphasized my great love of the rangie/disco lineage). Here was my original post: >I was wondering is there was any interest in splitting up the mailing list >along the lines of: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] >groups... it's just that the lro@ volume is high (and I even have all sorts >of automatic sorting software ;) and these vehicles often have quite >divergent issues and (to a lesser degree) cultures. William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com> had this to say about splitting up the list (series-def/rangie/disco): >>Well, if you did that then it would more or less be an attitude thing. >>If you look at from the point of view of the marque, what you ought to be [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] >>All I ask is that you just go off and do it without cluttering up this >>list with more noise. Actually, it wouldn't be fair to characterise all the opposition as flammage, although the detractors did seem to hold their opinions a bit more dearly than those in favor of the split. That said, I would still be in favor of at least discussing such a topical division. -jory ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:09:45 +0001 (GMT) From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Forward Control On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Dixon Kenner wrote: > On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, RUPERT.OJ.HINE wrote: > > Well, as a proud owner of one of the beasts... They are about 7'6" [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] > Both prototypes were powered buy the Rover V8. (They are about > twenty miles for here rotting away in the woods) I think you're right about the 101 itself, but wasn't there a 109 foward control that was the sort of predecessor (and not a very successful one) to that? I seem to remember it had a smaller (6cyl? 4cyl?) engine and TWO standard 109 chassis' welded one on top of the other.. so they were... gravitationally challenged and prone to roll over. This is a foggy recollection. Clear things up, wise ones. BTW, there was a fine article on the 101 several months back in LRO Int., and some good shots of an ambulance version last month. Charlie ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:52:31 +0800 From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Subject: Re: lockers > ...Just remove radiator and front panel, Pulley, and timing cover... > -Rob Kerner There is another way. Remove the pulley. Grind off the rivets heads that hold the pressed steel flange in the timing cover, you can pop the old seal out the front. Drive the rivet tails out. Don't let them fall inside. Rags, magnet. Tap the rivet holes 8-32. Use a good, new, high quality tap as you are tapping 100% threads (the hole size is slightly small.) Stuff greasy rags around inside to catch the chips. Install new seal from the outside, with a little of your favorite gasket goo. Leave it sticking out a little (~.030") Replace flange with 8-32 screws, pushing the seal in that last ~.030". No sweat. A lot easier that taking off the whole front end. Next time I rebuild an engine I will do this mod to the timing cover before I put it on the engine! Regards, Bill G. ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:47:37 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: New list for pigs..... Please start your own e-mail lists if you all wish to continue with this banal diatribe. I understand there is an address that may serve the discussion well: white_trash@pig.com And finally, ".edu" stands for educational institution- for those on the lro list that couldn't figure that one out........... I always assumed that Land Rover ownership indicated a degree of sophistication; I guess I was wrong. Ciao piscao, Morgan "Berkeley.edu" '69 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Autocar Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 11:58:00 EST I am looking for a fax number to contact the publishers of Autocar magazine in the UK. Can anyone help? ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Tires Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:26:27 +1030 (CST) Robert asks: re 16" rims > I was wondering if I could run 235/85R16. This would give me a little more height right? Depends a bit on the Brand of 235/85/16's, they do vary a lot, BFG M-T's will raise the height a bit. Basically if you have 16" x 5.5" (ex 109) or wider rims the 235/85's should be OK, (well they are on mine) Turning circle gets a little bigger as the lock stops needed to be adjusted on mine (this may be due to the pre '68 rims on my '82 :-( ) A friend used to run even larger BFG M-T's on 5.5's but I think that might be pushing your luck. Cheers -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Social correctness... Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 16:20:19 -0800 From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> Dix, It's a sytem screw up, I sent that message once and it seemed to dissappear for two days then, presto, it pops out 6 or 7 times. I think Jory has gotten the message, I wasn't trying to rub noses in. Rgds Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re:sophistication? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:59:39 +1030 (CST) Morgan writes: > I always assumed that Land Rover ownership indicated a degree of > sophistication; I guess I was wrong. Damn thats where I went wrong. I thought they were saying it indicated "so pissed on occassion". Thanks for clearing that up :-) -- Daryl ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: New list for pigs..... Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 17:02:57 -0800 From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> Morgan, In the first place, I have suddenly and spontaniously aquired a new email address, this @sybase.com. I have NO IDEA where it came from as my account is at @ichips.intel.com, Anyway, that message only went out ONCE, and disappeared, two days later this sybase.com address starts bouncing the post out to the list 7-8 times. I have NO clue as to where this @sybase.com is located or how it came into being. I certainly only sent it once from my normal account. So, sorry about the multiple posting thing but it wasn't my fault. Now, as to the rest of your little post about our lack of sophistication, how in hell does going to a school like Berkeley qualify you as sophisticated?! Besides, what does this have to do with Land Rovers and; Land Rovers are certainly UNsophisticated vehicles, ergo I guess that makes me an UNsophisticated owner of an UNsophisticated vehicle, which is wonderful! RGDS Mike Fredette ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 17:21:15 -0800 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: two lists better than /Introduction to Offroad? abalser@salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser) wrote: >>..<snip>.. Being the >>lazy bastard I am, I thought I might suggest splitting the list jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell), s/he replied: >>I was wondering is there was any interest in splitting up the mailing list >>groups... it's just that the lro@ volume is high ..<snip>.. >>divergent issues and (to a lesser degree) cultures. William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com> had this to say: >>>Well, if you did that then it would more or less be an attitude thing. >>>..<snip>.. But you should feel free to create the ..<snip>.. list. >>>All I ask is that you just go off and do it without cluttering up this >>>list with more noise. jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) contines: >That said, I would still be in favor of at least discussing such a topical >division. Well Jory, the topics that contribute to the high "lro@ volume" are not distinctions between Series/RR/Disco vehicles. Topics are usually well defined in the "Subject" headings and uninteresting articles are easily bypassed by astute netters. However, unnecessary high volume is created by the recent example of an off-color humor(less) contribution and all the ensuing sexist angst and jibberish. These off-topic exchanges are well suited to private email or, as you lobbied, another mailing list. Please do as Mr. Bill earlier suggested, "go off and do it", and I hope the others join you. As for everybody else (paraphrasing Jay Leno), Just SHHUUUTTT UUUPP! unless it's about Land Rovers and 4x4's! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.500-442-6500 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com ftp://ftp.crl.com/ftp/users/cs/cs/unimog.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au> Subject: Re: Forward Control Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 12:24:28 EST > On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Dixon Kenner wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, RUPERT.OJ.HINE wrote: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)] > and some good shots of an ambulance version last month. > Charlie Hi all, From memory, there was the Series IIA 109" forward control, (I actually know someone with one!!!!) which used just about standard everything, then there was the IIB forward control, this used ENV diffs and a different gear lever and linkage among other things. As for motors, they were available with the four cylinder and six cylinder motors, although the 2.25 diesel was only available in England and was described as dangerously under powered!!!!! -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: D-90 starting to fall apart. Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 17:57:19 PST It seems that after 18K miles things are begining to fall off the D-90 first I have lost three gas caps..... second, the passenger seat has broke a spot weld in one of the mount points. third, after making a trip to the car wash, I proceeded to wash off about 1/4 of the paint on the rear cross-member fourth, the hood latch quit working fifth, the drive train clanks Minor nits on a great truck. Now for the tough issue, is it P.C for my wife to ride in the D-90? Russ ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:17:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: American Angst Hank Lapa discusses the inner workings of the American Mindset and then asks.... > OK, here's a Land-Rover question after all: How can you a real > Land-Rover driver from a VW microbus driver? (Many of you have > already answered.) none Duhhhhh.... Gee, Hank... Haven't a clue... (I own a VW Microbus... well, almost a microbus.. it's a '71.) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 1971 VW Westfalia......(The Bus) ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:18:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TLCs Gerry asks... > I was asked, by a member of the WASHED heathen hoards, to see if anyone > here [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > or wall furnaces but he persisted, implying that someone else might > like TLCs as much as we like LRs. Ha!...but here goes anyway.... Try TAYLORS@hubcap.clemson.edu I hear that that's the place for all the poop.... :) Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: sgross@enet.net Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:18:24 PST Subject: Introduction Hello- I live in Scottsdale, AZ and have a Range Rover and a Defender 90. The wife drives the Range Rover and I prefer the '90. I have worked under contract with GTS (Land Rover NA vehicle test center) here in Phoenix in the past and am familiar with the vehicles. This Friday the 17th, Scottsdale Land Rover is formally introducing the new Range Rover to the public. Happy 4x4ing! -steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 15 Mar 95 21:25:59 EST From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Junk mail Here is one Englishman ( a native of Yorkshire, I lived 20 miles from Barnsley for 45 years and through the Yorkshire Rover Owners club I know a lot of Barnsley residents,) who did not find Pieres article humorous or entertaining, nor is his literary style typical of the area of which he writes so poorly. I have family that live in the region and I know that they would be offended to be associated with this type of material and the consideraation that it was typical of the area. Whilst respecting his right to express himself I do feel that his fantasies would be more suited to the Penthouse forum than the digest, it is not the subject matter that I subscribed to the digest to read. When I want titilation I will buy a Playboy magazine. Is it necessary to send the same message 4 or 5 times to make your point, it only reinforces the fact that it was so poorly made. I am grateful to Piere for a couple of things, I now know of a motoring magazine to which I will not subscribe and an off road company who I will not patronise. Bill Leacock Limey in exile. ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RovingNut@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:41:38 -0500 Subject: Politics, Bradies, & Winches It has come to my attention that some of you are talking about LAND ROVERS on this bulletin board! This MUST stop immediately, for those of you a little behind the times, this has now become a bulletin board solely for the purpose of political discourse, particularly womyn's issues. Seriously, though, I don't hate women, or anyone else, I just REALLY LOVE LAND ROVERS. Might we take David McKain's advice and get back to discussing those little miracles from Solihull???? On to other things: Brad Krohn writes: >Yes, in the alleged climax of "The Brady Bunch Movie," a Rover can be seen briefly on the right side of the screen as the semi >with Ann B. Davis at the wheel crests a rise in the street. > So brief it's tough to tell anything - but might've been a 109. I saw it too, I'm pretty sure it's one of the 500 U.S. Defender 110's. I never once thought the worlds of Brady Bunch and Rovers would ever merge- Live and learn!! Also, is there anyone out there with a secondhand winch who would be willing to sell it? Electric, Capstan, Hand Crank (just kidding). Either are O.K. Feel free to e-mail me: RovingNut@aol.com - Brad "Don't Call Me Pondscum" Davis ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:44:41 -0800 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: 3 Canadian Rovers 4 Sale >On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, James Kirkpatrick - INEN/F94 wrote: >> Someone requested a repost of the three Rovers for sale here in Toronto, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > faults on Tuesday. I'm going to be in Toronto Monday & have > arranged to go up and see them... Just got through talking with the owner. He had a mechanic out to try and get them started after having the Rovers sitting outdoors for three years. The mechanic reported that the engines had seized, and that he had poured diesel fuel into the cylinders. The hope is, that in a few weeks, there might be some movement; even then, they will require major engine work. > Framewise, the SW is in > bad shape in the centre. The description sound like if you > take the roof off to get at the frame, its breaking in two. To move the vehicles, and to get them out of the mud, they were picked up with a forklift and jacked up front and rear. As a consequence both 109 frames are sagging in the middle. Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.500-442-6500 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com ftp://ftp.crl.com/ftp/users/cs/cs/unimog.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Sanna@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:12:11 -0500 Subject: Re: two lists better than one? I own a IIa and a RR. Two lists would complicate my life. ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:39:26 -0500 Subject: Re: 110s That was my posting for the 110's..........I'm in Monroe NC, quite a distance. I passed one up locally that was priced at $41,900. Had 29000 miles. Drove it for a full day. Made a low offer. Not accepted. When I went back, it was gone. Had no idea they were selling for that much more than they did brand new. I do appreciate your input. Cordially: Rick Crider <rickcrider@aol.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:39:29 -0500 Subject: Re: No Subject In reference to gaiters (gaitors?) I got mine from Atlantic British.....In U.S., call 1-518-664-6169, or fax 1-518-664-6641. There's also an 800 # but I don't have it handy. Ask for Brad Ferri, in sales. He's extremely knowlegeable, knows many parts #'s by memory. Tell him Rick Crider sent you. Maybe he'll give me a free decal or something. Cordially: Rick Crider <rick crider@aol.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:39:37 -0500 Subject: Re: New list for pigs..... Whut is Berkely...is zat a scool or sumthing? Just kidding folks....no flames please. Rick Crider ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:39:32 -0500 Subject: Re: two lists better than one? Andrew, in reference to two lists: I would be interested in a Series list only. The mail that piles up daily is almost more than I can digest. I've yet to figure out what and how to save it, either on the hard disc or diskette. This is the first list that I've subscribed to, had no idea of the volume of mail that I was opening myself up to. I have thoroughly enjoyed it though. Rick Crider <rickcrider@aol.com) ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Forward Control On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Charlie Wright wrote: > I think you're right about the 101 itself, but wasn't there a 109 foward Yes, the IIB is a good start with seeing what they looked like... You mentioned seeing 101's in LRO, there are generally a photo or two in the ads in the back with the 109FC ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:10:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: two lists I think two lists would be great, seeing as I missed a day of reding mail and had 128 messages to read. I love Land Rovers, but this is too much. I would be in favor, and the rtraffic seems to support this, of these lists: 1) Series Land Rovers 2) Rangies, Defenders, and Discos. This split is based both on the hardware and the fact that many, if not the vast majority, of recent Rover buyers are not interested in the older models Of course, there will be overlap, but you can't please everybody oxx all the time. People who own Series LRs probably want to hear about modifying my Disco about as much as I want to hear about the relative merits axx of plastic versus steel radiator grills for frying food :-) This isnt' to poo-poo anything other people want to talk about, but I think the volume _is_getting out of hand. Henry Wilson '94 Disco 5-spd ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au> Subject: Re: Forward Control Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:14:29 EST > On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Charlie Wright wrote: none [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > You mentioned seeing 101's in LRO, there are generally a photo > or two in the ads in the back with the 109FC NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! The IIB had a 110" wheel base, the IIA had a 109" wheel base. -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:20:12 -0800 From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: 109s vs 88s Chris, in regard to your question: >Any comments on the positive qualities of each of these vehicles? I am >looking into purchasing a 109, and I currently have an 88. Which one is the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >appreciate any comments the net has. Thanks >Chris Whitehead 1966 SeiesIIA 88" Petrol "AntiChrist" I've had both 109s and 88s and have listened to what many others have had to say on the subject. It seems to me that everyone needs at least one of each. The 88 is better off-road in most situations. Despite its typically having smaller diameter tyres (although it doesn't have to), the 88 has a better breakover angle and a better departure angle. It is considerable more maneuverable. But the 109 rides better and is more directionally stable, thanks to its longer wheelbase. The 109 hauls a lot more people and stuff. The 109 is the preferred expedtion vehicle because it will carry what you need. But you'll want to be sure that you really need the extra hauling capacity because you'll be hauling around a lot of extra weight all the time, even when empty, and that adds up to needing more power. The only 109 I ever really drove any amount had a 6-cylinder Chevy engine in it (only a 235cid one) and therefore had plenty of power and torque. I briefly drove a stock 4-cylinder 109 and thought it was pretty pathetic. Now I wouldn't turn up my nose at one with a Jag engine in it. And there are times that my 88" is too big and I wish I were driving my 80" Series I. That's kinda hard to do right now, as it has no running gear. And there were times, when I had a 109, that it wasn't big enough... Granville Pool Redwood Valley, California, USA <mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net> or <Granville_Pool@RedwoodFN.Org> (707)485-7220 Home, (707)463-4265 Work, FAX to (707)463-5474 '52,'60,'61,'73, and '74 SWB Land-Rovers and Austin Champ 4x4 ------------------------------[ <- Message 64 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950316 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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