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Date: 13 Mar 95 03:15:21 EST
From: "LESLIE C. STUTSMAN" <100042.254@compuserve.com>
Subject: oh   this and that

couldn't help myself

 >>  I will call and see what else I can do with Merseyside. I'm sure that we
can get a price break, it's not often they get an order for  over 3000 pounds
!!! <<

 Hmmm,   yeah about once every 2-3 weeks or so.  Let me tell you it doesn't
take much to drop 1000 in that place.

 ..........................

 Will someone be co-ordinating a list of US/Canada rover events for this year
and posting them on the digest in the near future.

 ..........................

 Latest project - 109 Camel Trophy yellow 5 door safari V8 with permanent 4WD.

 .........................

 Boston this week, Sacremento next, Odessa Texas the following.  Anyone for a
drink....

 .....................................

 Cheers

 Leslie

 U.K. Land Rovers Import/Export Co.
 813-954-4304

 "email for info"

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 03:31:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr

Jory amuses us in his/her (I don't want to offend here) style..
 
> However, what I really believe is that you didn't think Pierre's story was
> funny despite being sexist and offensive. You thought it was funny
> *because* it was sexist and offensive. That's why you're scum.

You must have been talking to my ex-wives.. They never got it right either..
For the record Jory, it's POND SCUM... not just plain old scum.. POND SCUM.
(and proud of it...)
Now, be nice and bugger off...

Cheers
Mike

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Date: 13 Mar 95 03:46:41 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: re: RR putting the heat on

Thanks for the collective advice and enlightenment on my pump/heat problem!
Had never heard of 'cavitation', let alone seen it, to this day. You never
finish learning, do you?
As for the possible cause(s) in my particular case, again we are confronted
with a whole array of possibilities falling into the responsibility of an
assortment of PO's. The RR I've salvaged had suffered incredible abuse; the
engine had a piston hanging out, the bottom half of the radiator laminations
had completely rusted away from prolonged driving on salty winter roads w/o
washing or cleaning, and the cooling system yielded a brown opaque smelly
liquid when we drained it - must've been in there for *years*. Interior
same thing: The roof trim was brown and grimy from cigarette smoking, carpets
were torn and rotting, etc. etc. Beats me how someone can spend such an amount 
of money on a new RR and then go and treat it like it was some piece of shit.
Some people just don't deserve Rovers...
Anyway, what we've learnt from this is that when rebulding a V8, you
definitely should also take off the water pump and look inside (which we
hadn't).

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 13 Mar 95 03:54:40 EST
From: "LESLIE C. STUTSMAN" <100042.254@compuserve.com>
Subject: spin on oil filters

I will be getting about a dozen of these soon, email me for more details.
 These are the filters that allow you to use standard oil filters.

 Also be getting a variety of soft top sticks.

 other various bits and bobs - MPH speedo with 0 miles, pick and shovel
brackets, etc

 Cheers

 Leslie

 U.K. Land Rovers Import/Export Co
 813-954-4304

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:27:39 +0000 (GMT)
From: Peter Aslan <paslan@uk.mdis.com>
Subject: She rises from the back of the Garage.

I last subscribed to this list about 8 Months ago, because I owned a 
Land-rover and found the discussions interesting.

However the LR I owned, and still own was more a part of my past that 
I couldnt get rid of, even though there was no financial sence in keeping 
it at the time.

Anyhow, about 4 weeks ago, the LR was winched out of the garage it had 
stod in for about 8 Years, and loaded onto the back of a trailer.

It took about 45 Minutes of nerve racking, trailer towing, and swerving, 
(bloody heavy things these 1960, 88" Landrovers) are you sure you tied 
the wheels down tight, time to get the thing to its new home. The corner 
of a field in South Bedfordshire. I  now have a need for its services you 
see. Last year I practically wrecked my sporty company Car, driving round 
the field, towing a trailer picking up 600 Bales of Hay. 'God, 
where's that Land Rover'.

Anyhow, a few days later, I purchased a new Battery (Heavy Duty) some 
Anti-Freze, some New Oil and some new Break/Clutch fluid.

First step, try priming the Petrol Pump, is there anything in there ? No 
good. Empty the Jerry Can into the Tank and then prime the pump, thank
goodness I fitted a petrol Filter to the intake on the Webber Carb. Then 
Fit the Battery, Make sure the terminals are tight. Turn the Engine by 
hand with the cooling fan, yep she still moves. Fill the Radiator with Water 
and Antifreze, no leaks.

Into the Cab, insert the key, press the starter button and the engine 
turns, slow at first, then a bit quicker as thinks loosen up, but no sign 
of the engine firing. Try for a bit longer, counting to ten before 
resting and trying again. Still no luck, well, I suppose it was too much 
to ask.

Ok, out with the tools, out with a spark plug. Well, its smells like 
petrol, but how do you check to see if it sparks if you cant look at the 
plug and press the starter, (I was on my own). I was sure it was an 
electrical fault, so I drove home and picked up a meter and some small 
screwdrivers.

By removing the distributer and shorting out the points, I could check 
for a spark from the HT from the Coil, so the coils ok. Cleaned the 
points and plugs, cleaned the inside of the distributer cleaned the 
rotor, and put the thing back together. Back in the Cab, key turns, button 
pressed and after about 10 seconds, I was really 'supprised' to hear the 
sound of the engine running. After about 10 Years, It was running again.

Since then, I given it a run several times and the only problem seems to 
be that its suffering from clutch slip, is this oil on the flywheel 
that'll burn off, or what ?

Oh, and I drove it to a petrol station yerterday, filled the tank up and 
it took 30 Quids worth, welcome to Land Rover ownership.

Regards,

  Peter Aslan (aka Captain Norton).           Louden Quill Award.
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:28:42 +0000 (GMT)
From: Peter Aslan <paslan@uk.mdis.com>
Subject: Re: spin on oil filters

Leslie, please let me know prices and details.

Regards,

  Peter Aslan (aka Captain Norton).           Louden Quill Award.
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On 13 Mar 1995, LESLIE C. STUTSMAN wrote:

> I will be getting about a dozen of these soon, email me for more details.
>  These are the filters that allow you to use standard oil filters.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>  U.K. Land Rovers Import/Export Co
>  813-954-4304

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Date: 13 Mar 95 05:04:18 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Flame war accessories

WRT postings considered revolting by individual list members I have a neat
little utility for the discerning Win-doze user that may be activated
whenever encountering unsavoury drivel, a *.WAV soundfile of someone
vomiting his heart out...    Multimedia flame wars - coming soon!
Interested, anyone?

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:12:09 GMT

> >Christ,Jory,do you know thee area he's talking about?Eh?
> >Been there have you?Done it?Of course you havent.Well,OK,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> venue, that he has license to portray them as sexual objects. I see.
> -jory
Who said anything about a rough (venue?).Dont patronise.He's actually
portraying them as they are.If *they* arent ashamed of it why should
you be?Tell you one thing,mate,if they read it they'd probably bust
a gut laughing as well.North Country people may be tough,but they are
humorous,honest,and warm hearted folk,and can take a joke against 
themselves better than most.
cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr (fwd)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:02:14 GMT

Forwarded message:
>From jory@MIT.EDU Mon Mar 13 09:50 GMT 1995
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 04:49:20 EST
X-Sender: jory@org.org.org (Unverified)
Mime-Version: 1.0
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From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr

>Christ,Jory,do you know thee area he's talking about?Eh?
>Been there have you?Done it?Of course you havent.Well,OK,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Cheers
>Mike Rooth

OK, so, you are saying that since he is talking about girls from a rough
venue, that he has license to portray them as sexual objects. I see.

-jory

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 12:38:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: R C Love <rcl@scs.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: buying lightweights

Hi,

Would someone be kind enough to give me advice about buying
lightweights? 

I've seen a 1972 (SIII based?) version advertised locally thats in
private hands, on the road, and at a reasonable price (considering that
these are generally more expensive anyway). I've read the FAQ covering
Landies in general, but I was wondering if there was anything more
specific to lightweights (or even a more comprehensive British version 
of the FAQ) that I should know about.

I'd really like to know what to look out for (good and bad points) over 
and above the stuff to look for on 'normal' Landies.

Many thanks
Rob Love

Computer Vision Group
University of Leeds

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re:  An Introduction to Offroad Instruction
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 12:31:22 UNDEFINED

I note with interest that all the high pitched whining about this very funny 
bit of prose has come from >>>>>Yanks<<<<<

I noticed their complete po-facedness when I visited the US a couple of times 
(they found me very dsturbing.....), adn when I started to annoy 
rec.motorcycles ( but at least I have rec.motorcycles reasonably house trained 
now....). Sensitive little flowers, Yanks.......

For God(can I say that, or is it demeaning to some obscure paranoid atheists 
somewhere?)'s sake, folks GROW UP!!!!!!

Ever heard the phrase 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can 
never hurt me?" No? Write it down 1000 times, find a quiet warm place, adn 
stare at it for a few years until you fully understand the depth of meaning 
implied by this concise piece of philosophy.........

Then treat yourselves to a few days FREE THERAPY on rec.motorcycles. You'll 
either end up as much more secure, balanced people, or your little ulcers will 
all burst adn you'll end up as gibbering drooling alternately-abled 
persons........

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Date: 13 Mar 95 08:26:33 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Heater in LR

Michael:

In NH... Consider the Mansfield heater from Rovers North in Vermont.  It'll heat
a small house.

I installed a Smiths in my 88 softtop in OH last fall.  On all but the coldest
days, it works adequately -- moving the interior temperature from 5 degrees up
to a balmy 50 degrees.  I would not recommend it for NH, though.

FYI, Installation of a heater is a breeze.  It took me less than an hour.

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:16:03 -0500
Subject: She rises from a field in Utah.

Did the same thing with Lulubelle, my '70 IIa.  She spent 6 years sitting in
a Salt Lake meadow.  New battery, a few gallons of gas, a little hand priming
and she fired right up.  I took her over to a gas station, had all of the
fluids drained and changed, and then my two kids & I took off on a 3,000 mile
adventure.  The timing chain finally broke a few miles from the house in
Wisconsin, but I won a bet with my mechanic that I got her home.  And she's
always gotten me home.

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@faculty.coe.wvu.edu>
Date:          Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:18:27 EDT
Subject:       First Run

Well, it finally happened. I took my fully rebuilt, freshly painted 
88" off-road for the first time this weekend. One of my friends has a 
nice piece of land with some old logging roads on the side of a steep 
hill (100 acres, about 400 ft elevation change). Due to the recent 
snowfall in WV and the place was a real quagmire. I hope its not 
considered cheating to take chains along but they were a definite 
must to get back out.
The drive to the property was pretty uneventful until I turned the 
key to switch off the engine and it kept on running. Pull dash, check 
connections, don't see problem, assume bad switch. Luckily, I had 
left a long piece of wire for the electric fuel pump in preperation 
for installing a pump cut-off switch. The only way to stop the thing 
was to put it in hi range first and stall it out. Saved the fuel pump 
but I fear for the coil. Later found out that the wire powering the 
charge/oil/choke lights had fell across one of the ammeter leads and 
shorted out (still having charging problems - i.e. >30 amps at high 
revs) in effect powering the ignitition. Enough about the problems.

We got down to the bottom of the property with no serious problems. 
After the first scratch in the paint I stopped worrying. We had to 
clear out quite a bit of fallen trees and saplings to open up the 
"road". In addition, we had to build up a few places where the "road" 
had fallen down the slope. I was quite impressed with my friends 88" 
especially when he used it as a battering ram to knock down grapevine 
and briar patches. Obviously this man has no respect for Land Rovers 
or he has more than one (4 to be clear). At the bottom, Nigel 
decided that he would attempt to go back up using an old log skid 
patch with about a 25% grade. With the aid of chains on all four 
wheels he was able to get about 100 ft up the hill before starting to 
dig a hole to china. I got to play winch boy for the next 200 ft. 
Famous quote, "With a winch, you could get a brass bed across 
Africa". 

Once Nigel was up to where he didn't need the winch anymore we went 
back down and put a set of chains on my LR. I was impressed that we 
were able to make it back out without a winch. In fact, we didn't 
actually stop until we got to the top.

Overall it was a really fun time although I spent about an hour 
getting all the mud out from under my LR afterwards. Other than the 
ignition problems, there were no other casualties. Got some nice 
pictures of both the winching operation and my LR tilted at some 
unbelieveably crazy angles. A few of our friends showed up on a ATV 4 
wheeler with a videocamera to record portions of the event.

Now I cant wait until May for the BRLRC outing in WV. I've heard that 
the organizers are real sadists when they pick out trails for the 
expidition.

Last thing, does anyone out there know of a good alternator to fit 
where the generator does on a 2 1/4 petrol? I would rather not deal 
with the Lucas generator and setting up and maintianinn the RB-310(?).

Take care

David McKain            mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu
540 Burroughs St.       (304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV  26505
USA                     1966 Ser IIA Petrol

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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: worshippers of the Prince of Darkness
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 14:19:36 GMT

> No, I don't off road in the 2002 (though it would be fun to think about a
> rally conversion... 325ix drivetrain...), but if I did, it would not be the
> electrics that gave out.

Charlie, I'll believe all you predict - bar the future!

Best Regards,
Steve.

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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 14:31:23 GMT

Mike to Jory:

  Who said anything about a rough (venue?).Dont patronise.He's actually
  portraying them as they are.If *they* arent ashamed of it why should
  you be?Tell you one thing,mate,if they read it they'd probably bust
  a gut laughing as well.North Country people may be tough,but they are
  humorous,honest,and warm hearted folk,and can take a joke against 
  themselves better than most.
  cheers
  Mike Rooth

Quite right, Mike.  Pierre came from Barnsley, and guess what Jory -
that's where I come from.  Those girls are probably telling the same
story about their off road adventure.  Believe me.

It's humour Jory, even if you don't recognise it.  Now do as the nice
man says and b*gger off!   (Yes, that's Northern humour too, so don't
have a fit).  (Sorry to those people who suffer fits, sorry to ...etc.)

Lightweights:
Someone posted about buying one; I had one for a while and did much
work and off roading with it.  Please feel free to mail me directly.
--
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Best Regards,
Steve.

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From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland III)
Subject: well, I drove one...(Series IIa)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 01:13:14 

and, I'm just going to have to save up for a Defender 90.  That is, after all, 
the one I first fell in love with.  There was just something about the series 
that I drove (and it was in real good condition) that just told me I really 
wasn't going to have as much fun as I originally thought in a series landie.  
So you can just save all the "I told you so"'s for when I see you guys in a 
couple of years (assuming they still make them) in a brand new Bronze green 
Defender 90.  :) It may be new and have a stereo and all sorts of fancy computer 
gadgets, but it's still Rover at heart.

Thanks guys, for all your help and a lot of fun.  I look forward to more in 
the future...

Later,

Taylor

-- 
     One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
     One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
     In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie. 
<->                  C. Taylor Sutherland, III               <->
<->      IRC Nick:  NIV       <-> taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu <->

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:40:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr

What... is mum getting cross again???

TeriAnn reviews the drivel and the drivel written about the drivel and asks..

> Mike, What you too hate women?  I hadn't realized we had a number of
> women hating men in the Land Rover list.  
none

Don't hate women any more than you do.. or men either... I've found though,
that my friends all have a sense of humor and can laugh at just about
anything.. And these friends are men *and* women. IMHO, it is totally
ridiculous to get upset at what someone writes.. Yes, words can be powerful,
but then we are supposed to be intelligent, right? We can look at something
and dismiss it as important or not... Or funny or not.. I got as many laughs
from seeing the reactions as I did to Pierre's writings.. Oh well...

> Have you considered sitting on the cooling fan while the engine is
> running? I suspect it may be best single thing you can do for the rest
> of humanity.  If nothing else, it would vastly improve humanitie's gene
> pool.

Tried it once on a Corvair... got too dizzy... Not enough room in a Landy
with the shrouds and radiator in place...   :)
 
> I think you and Pierre should find a nice little desert island where you
> can rejoice in your sexual purity without having to be subjected by
> people who are differnt from you.

If you're buying the tickets... I could use a break from the everyday
rat-race... And Pierre does have some funny stories...

Cheers
Mike

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:39:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Flame war accessories

Stefan sez...
> WRT postings considered revolting by individual list members I have a neat
> little utility for the discerning Win-doze user that may be activated
> whenever encountering unsavoury drivel, a *.WAV soundfile of someone
> vomiting his heart out...    Multimedia flame wars - coming soon!

Hey Stefan.. I've got a sound byte from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
that says "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"... Wanna trade?  :-)

Cheers
Mike

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From: "Roger Garnett" <rwg1@cornell.edu>
Date:          Tue, 14 Mar 1995 03:22:05 -500
Subject:       Announcing: New SOL Web

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Reply-to:      rwg1@cornell.edu
Date:          Tue, 14 Mar 1995 03:07:17

Yes folks, it's finally here- the all new, singing, dancing SOL Web 
server! And (Drum roll please) the URL is...

http://www.team.net/sol/

you'll also notice that the team.net homepage is now available at:

http://www.team.net/

These pages are meant to be a central focal point for all British Car 
lists & pages on the net, so feel free to tell us about any you see 
missing!

This is all still new, and there's lots more that can be done, but
hopefully it's the beginings of a better way to find and distribute
SOL information, and check the answers to common questions without
bombarding the lists. It will even help those who forget how to
subscribe/unscribe to mailing lists.

In the coming weeks and months, we'll be sorting out how everyone
can contribute to the server pages, as well as adding functionality
to the server. We can use lots of help! In the short run, if you see
an area you're willing to write and/or maintain a page for, let me
know. We'll figure something out. In addition to central SOL stuff,
we will also be able to add pages for the sub-groups, like the MG's
and TR's, etc.

(I've copied this to the major sol lists, but someone please forward 
newsgroups, etc.)

More details on changes and use of the ftp server to follow this 
message, to the main list only. (README.SOL and README.TRI)

Enjoy!

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From: LuckyJoe@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:39:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco discovered!

On March 6th we went to the Land Rover Dealer to try and haggle our way
through and beat the March 1st $600 price increase on the Disco.  No luck!
 The dealer wouldn't budge an inch. Following are the important facts from
our discussion:

1. Dual Sunroof option cannot be had from the factory without the rear jump
seats. If you do not want the jump seats, the dealer can remove them at a
$250 fee. This fee is refunded if you decide to have the jump seats
re-installed at a later date.

2. The dealer would not "throw-in" any accessories. The best he would do is
let us have them at cost. Cost is approx. 75% of the list price.

3. Final cost for a Disco, automatic, sunroof/jumpseat =  $33650
(or $34250 after March 10).

To complicate matters, the dealer has exactly what we wanted  on the lot. A
customer cancelled 5 days before it arrived.

Needless to say, after all the bickering we were rather reluctant to throw
down that kind of money. Don't get me wrong, we love the Disco. It just takes
a big bite out of your savings or makes the bank your 'best' friend. 

So, we decided yesterday to pass on the Disco, at least for the time being.
Were going to put in AC in the house and build a garage. We'll be Disco'ing
in a few years, maybe when the LWB comes out. Who knows, maybe we'll even put
a Series LR in that garage.

BTW, what exactly is a Forward Control? That sound like something I might
like to check into.

Tom Proctor
Lucky Joe@aol.com

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 17:12:55 PST
Subject: LR Signs Etc.

Hi All,

If anybody has or knows where I can find LR signs (like garage signs, etc.)
I'd appreciate getting that information as I'm interested in buying such.
I know about the stuff available from Triple-C but in this case I'm more
interested in genuine items past or present.

Thanks!

- Stephen

p.s. Looks like Mendocino Scouting Trip #2 will have "some" mud ;)

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 16:51:51 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr

In message <01HO2MTE7EX48ZEGFZ@delphi.com>  writes:
> Jory amuses us in his/her (I don't want to offend here) style..
> > However, what I really believe is that you didn't think Pierre's story was
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Cheers
> Mike

Mike there is more than one kind of scum,  Perhaps you like to think pond scum 
fits you best, but cesspool scum comes to mind when I think of pierre's posting 
and of those who have expressed support for his sexest and classist opperssion.

Now, be nice and learn some tolernece and sensitivity to other people not in 
your sexual-social-economic group.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 22:43:30 -0500
Subject: Vt. Mud report!!

*Press Release* from: *Vermont Alternative Vacation Administration*
        "VAVA"  (as in VaVa Voom!!!)                                 
   We got mud again! And we'll be gettin' more!! It looks like the start of
another great season this year!  Snow cover was not as heavy as an average
year, so perhaps the frost got right down in there. Temperatures were a bit
moderate for the winter though, so the possibility does exist of one effect
cancelling out the other - an average mud season resulting. But even average
conditions will be found challenging and can be enjoyed! Once again please
enjoy only the road mud unless you have specific permission to go out and
sample the creme de la crud - structureless field mud.
   Today's conditions were fair, but the season is just beginning. Daytime
temperatures are getting into the 50's and returning to below freezing at
night, providing ideal mixing effects. Initial loosening-up is well under
way. Rutting is still light, though south facing hills do enjoy a depth of
6-8 inches. Climbing out of them is still relatively simple. As surface
runoff begins to percolate in (refreezing & thawing & refreezing &...), depth
continues to improve. In just but a few short days, the bottom will 'fall
out' and the real sport begins! Late season will once again provide that good
clingy stuff, as drying out and draining off take place. There's something
for everyone here!!
   The town road crews have done a good job of snow removal, but if you get
out early, you can still find good sections of hard frozen and trenched ruts
that will give you a good dribble and slide. Mid-day conditions trend toward
'oozey', once the crusting is broken/thawed through.  Early in the season as
it is, some grooming is still taking place by local highway crews, but that
will decrease as access becomes limited. Soon it will settle down to just
plain mud, which has its good points too. (maybe a romantic moonlight drive
in low range?). If you like variety, the roads are empty and.... 
(I still find it a bit hard to understand why some of my neighbors look at me
like they do when I go by, kinda' half sideways. I do wave. (I wave at
everybody) But they're kinda stranded/housebound from mid-day on, probably
think me and my LR ('May') are makin' the mud, and I'm taking the long way to
work, lovin' every minute of it!)

See ya' *in* the old road...
Jim   61 88" HT / 1 Bbl weber, OD & 16's   (econobox?)
LR....the absolute best vehicle in the world at 5 hrs/mile!
It was during this very time of year that my '60 88" II HT earned her name
'Bubbles'!
   Geez...Look at that!...Bubbles! 

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:42:19 -0800
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: MIG welding

David John Place <umplace@cc.umanitoba.ca> writes:

>Thanks for the welding info.  I ordered my bottle filled today and I have 
>good wire.  I only have to replace the liner and I am away.  I have never 
>done MIG but lots of arc so I have been trying to get a good book on the 
>subject.

 While at a local fair some years past I saw a demonstration and picked up
 a brochure on welding aluminum with the "3-4-1 Ideal Rod".  Actually it
 works with any white metal, and uses NO FLUX.  The process consists of
 (1) cleaning the parts to be repaired or joined (sandpaper, wire brush),
 (2) tinning the surface with the rod material by heating the object to
 715-735 degrees F and flowing the rod onto it, and (3) filling any voids
 with molten rod by again heating the surface and flowing the rod into the
 void area.  Caution is to be used to avoid melting the aluminum by keeping
 the temperature below 1100 degrees F (not too difficult to do).  The
 resulting surface can be reworked manually (filing, sanding) to restore it
 shape or profile.

 To my amazement the process seemed foolproof.  The weld and the filled void
portions are stronger than the material itself, and filling large dings is
 very easy.  In the demonstration aluminum beverage cans were ripped apart
 and mended again just as easily.  Then a missing area (the size of a finger
digit) of a boat propeller was tinned and filled, with the surface countour
 restored flawlessly, leaving no porosity and being ready for paint.

 Fortunately I have never been pressed into repairing aluminum myself, but
 this seems like an easy way to go, using nothing but a soldering torch.

 A few spec's:   Elastic Limit       6,600 lbs
                 Elastic Limit      33,000 psi
                 Maximum Load        7,800 lbs
                 Tensile Strength   39,000 psi
                 Brinell Hardness      100 (500 Kg Load)
                 Brinell Hardness      111 (3,000 Kg Load)
                 Melting Range         715-735 degrees F
                 NO FLUX

 These rods are sold by VHM Products, 1708 Meadow Road, Chico, CA 95926  USA
 Tele.916-345-9295.  The price for 1 lb of rods was $30 plus $2 shipping in
 the US.

  Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.500-442-6500
  Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
  NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

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Date: 13 Mar 95 20:33:39 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: digest  Monday

Charlie     ...... the compression ratio  in a 2 1/4 diesel is around 22 to 1,
this results in a compression pressure of over 300 psi ( 20 atmospheres or bar
)so the smallest imperfection in the castings or gasket can easily pass pressure
to the cooling system. The cooling system pressure cap is probably around 7 or 8
psi ( 1/2 bar ) so the struggle is unequal, The only way to test the cylinder
head properly is to have an off engine pressure test done by an engine
specialist.
 Dye penetrant  flaw detection might reveal a few cracks, diesel cylinder heads,
particularly land rovers are prone to cracking.
 the head could also be warped, if regrinding the surface pay attention to the
hot spots, they are slightly proud of the face on an original head face.
 Have the engine tested soon, the problem will only get worse and could end up
being more expensive to fix.

 Brad,  try plugging the axle vent and applying low air pressure to the oil
filler hole, not tooo much otherwise you'll blow the axle seals, it is far
easier to just leave the screw out  overnight..

 Regards   Bill Leacock

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 16:38:47 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instr

In message <Pine.3.89.9503111416.A29822-0100000@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk> Charlie 
Wright writes:
> Jory, if it doesn't amuse you, you can take your self-righteousness
> elsewhere and unsubscribe.

Wait a minute, You are defending Pierre's right to trash women but try to stop 
Jory from expressing her anger and disgust with Pierre's total putdown of Women.
Something doesn't seem quite right about your defending one person's "right" to 
express sexual bigotry but try to ban another persons "right" to be morally 
outraged.  It seems to me like a group of people being discriminated against 
should have the right to defend themselves.

 Whether Pierre amused me or not, he can, for
> now and I hope forever, express what he wishes how he wishes, as long as
> it does not cause harm to anyone or infringe their rights.

Since when do people have a RIGHT to oppress classes of people? and since when 
is oppressing other people  not considered causing harm or infringing upon their
rights?

> I didn't laugh my butt off, but I can picture the scene. I've seen those
> students on the streets of Cambridge. These people exist.  It made me
> snicker.... s'pose I'm scum. 
none

No, just sexist and classist......well now that you mention it, you may be right
as to the scum bit.  Oppressing groups of people would certainly fit into that 
catagory

> This is a voluntary group, and if you don't
> like the tone and object to your fellow members, you have the right to
> leave, and it sounds like it would be better if you did. 

Your tolerence for people with differing views doesn't seem very high ether.  
But you do seem to wear the oppressor's attitude well.  I for one have largely 
enjoyed Jory's contributions and would feel the group lessened if she were to 
leave.  However, I do not think I would notice your absence since in all these 
years in this group I have not noticed your presence until now.  Bugger off!

> Charlie
> My boorish manners, appreciation for vernacular humor, and lascivious 
> morals are not the responsibility of my department.
none

I should hope not.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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