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Date: 06 Mar 95 09:31:22 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Freewheel front and rear

Mark:

Yes, you can fit locking hubs front and rear.  I know a couple of folks who have
done this so they can tow their series Land Rovers easily (they don't have to
dis-connect the driveshaft each time they tow).

Other than that usage, I don't know why anyone would want to install them in the
rear (Front-Wheel Drive econo-Rovers?), but it is no more complex than
installing on the front.

Cheers, 

R.Pierce Reid

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:22:02 -0500
Subject: Real Time????

Would someone inform me about the 'Real-Time' list and how it differs from
the others?  Thanks.  rickcrider@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 16:55:20 EST
From: tonyb@ejv.com (Tony Bromberg)
Subject: Ra/Ro ignition system.

Hello everyone!

I'm about to change ignition components on my 89 Range Rover.
Namely, cap & rotor, ignition wires, coil wire, spark plugs.

Does anyone have any experience/recomendation regarding
alternative brands (ie. OEM, Bosch aftermarket, ???).

Thanks

TonyB

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Date: 10 Mar 1995 09:03:12 U
From: Duncan Rose <duncan.rose@bt-sys.bt.co.uk>
Subject: OOF: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hello, Duncan A D Rose is away from the office but will be returning on
24.04.95.  For further assistance please contact Keith Cameron on 644269.

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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 13:12:12 GMT
From: Pierre Antony Ketteridge <ketteridgep@glub.demon.co.uk>
Subject: An Introduction to Offroad Instruction

Pierre's introduction to offroad tuition:
---------------------------------------------------

Martin rang up a couple of weeks ago. "'Ullo? Pierre? Got a job yet, ya 
lazy fat f****r?"
"Uh, no, not yet, but thanks for the solicitous enquiry anyway".
"Look, Pierre, we're short an Instructor for tomorrow's session. Do you 
fancy stepping in - you'll get paid standard tutor rates, of course".

Martin runs Spectrum 4x4, an offroad driving school and "safari tour" 
organisation, operating half a dozen Land Rovers at various sites in South 
Yorkshire. What he was offering was a day as an Instructor at the 
Sheffield Dry Slope Ski Centre - a testing offroad course had been 
excavated alongside the artificial ski slope. It wouldn't be easy, Martin 
told me - it was school half-term, and my charges would be inner-city jd's, 
persistent offenders mostly. Great. The little *****s had probably been 
driving longer than I had, and knicking better cars, too. The local 
authority were paying for this "diversion" - their idea of rehab, probably.

I agreed to do it, reluctantly.

Wednesday morning loomed, ominously. I had to be in Barnsley for 9 
o'clock, too. Bummer! Gettin' up when it's still dark, and me unemployed.

At the workshop I hunted around for a SWB 2.25 diesel, something old 
and underpowered and *slow* (don't usually let kids drive anything else),  
but Martin explained that all the regular trucks were in bits, or out. 
"You'll have to take the petrol V8".

Oops.

"Oh, and another thing... the council phoned up - the borstal kids aren't 
coming, so we've got another group for you. I'm sorry to spring this on 
you like this, but, they're....<ulp>.... GIRLS".

Oh woe. It got worse... they were 5th form girls - that places them at 
about, oh, fifteen or sixteen. And there were EIGHT of them! I left 
Barnsley in a foul, depressed mood, fighting the steering on the big V8 
truck, trying to hold it on the road (109" wheelbase, permanent 4x4, no 
FWHs).

So I got to the Sheffield Dry Slope at about 10:30, and there they were, 
huddled around behind the minibus, puffing away on half-hidden 
cigarettes and scowling around with that look that *is* teenage rebellion. 
Their attire was not exactly, uh, appropriate for a day of mudplugging, 
but at least they weren't wearing stiletto heels...

[NB It's a strange tradition of Northern English towns and cities that, in 
midwinter, the youth of our fair (but wet, and bitterly cold) island must 
take to the streets in the most skimpy clothing imaginable. On a Saturday 
night in Leeds (or Manchester, or Bradford, or Newcastle) City Centre 
you will always find hordes of young girls out clubbing, dressed in the 
obligatory "bird" uniform - microminiskirt, stockings (or bare legs), cut-
away-midriff  teeshirt, and a handbag. That's it. Bras are frowned on. A 
jacket or coat is laughable. The young lads have en ensemble of jeans, 
loafers and a sleeveless white cotton teeshirt. An arm or leg in a plaster 
cast is a useful fashion accessory. Projectile vomiting by 1 am is 
mandatory.]

 These girls were attired thus, except it was 10 o'clock in the morning. Oh 
well. Without further ado, I sorted 'em out into some kind of pecking 
order, and loaded 'em up.

Interestingly, none of the girls had ever driven before, so the pedals were 
the main problem (remember, this is the UK, where stick-shift is the norm) 
and the clutch seemed an alien concept. Keeping their left foot off the 
brake was the crucial factor, so "legs apart" was the order of the day.
You wouldn't believe the number of times I had to dive in and wrench 
those knees apart to instil "pedal awareness"....

I'd been worried that I'd have trouble as an offroad instructor, but actually, 
it sorta came naturally to me. I couldn't believe how quickly I picked it 
up! And the speed at which I grasped the... uh.... contours of the course, 
and the RIGHT WAY to approach obstacles...

... Hitting the entrance boulder at the first turn,*just so*, with the offside 
front at *exactly* 12mph, would make Diane lift out of the driving seat, 
levitate approx 12" and land on the centre console, her skirt rucked up 
and her left buttock on my unmentionables. This manouevre would knock 
the gearstick into neutral, and I would have to reach between her
knees to re-engage. Before lifting her up and placing her back in the 
driving seat, of course. This ensured that the vehicle would stall, and we'd 
have to go through the "legs apart" pedal positions again.

... Going over the top on "The Ridge" and slamming down into the 
flat would propel Samantha forward, and her incredible 38" jubblies right 
into the nape of my neck, one either side. "Haha, I didn't know Land 
Rovers had air bags! Hoho! Never mind, are they bruised? Let's try that 
again, Darryl, I think you need to change the approach angle a bit ... next 
time, a bit faster, and take the fall line... Sam, sit a coupla inches to the 
left..." I kept them reassured with my "favourite Uncle Pierre" banter...

... keeping the driver's side window open as we crested the Hogsback 
maximised side vision, and got Sarah's glorious raven tresses whipping 
my face, and invading my mouth. "Mmmmm, phlbrt...<SPIT>... argle, 
yes, yes, that's wonderthufl, Thara, look ath the ...sphtt... luthly phew from 
here..."

... crossing the "Stepping Stones" at *just* above the recommended speed 
resulted in a very satisfying display in the rearview mirror of 
"Synchronised Boob Bouncing", and the riding up of various cutaway 
teeshirts with awesome visual fx.

The coup de grace was approaching a steep incline without enough 
revs. Realising we were grinding to a halt, the lovely lass in the driving 
seat would floor it, the truck would start bucking and kicking, and I'd 
have to insist on the diff lock being engaged. By some quirk, Martin had 
had this installed on the extreme left of the passenger footwell, and being 
the perfectionist tutor that I am (hah!), I insisted that the girl reach across 
my lap and engage the thing herself - so she'd learn for herself, of course. 
Aaaaaaaah.

Funnily enough, the girls all did ~very poorly~, we had to go over the 
course again and again, and I had to do an awful lot of "hands-on" 
instruction. Except for Lorraine, that is - she was perfect, she was. Didn't 
even put a foot wrong, that Lorraine. She was the exception in this group.

Lorraine had the build of a Mountain Gorilla.   A large one. "Gorillas In 
The Mist". Well, "Gorilla In My Midst", anyway. And she was wearing 
the same sort of getup as the other girls. Eeuurk! Gross. She had arms like 
Popeye hanging out of her tent-like teeshirt, and was wearing, beneath the 
hovercraft skirt, fishnet tights that lent her legs the appearance of well-
ripened Italian salami. Her porcine bulk strained at the "Fruit of the 
Loom" shirt, folds and swatches of blubber hunging down and imparting a 
hint of "Bibendum", the Michelin Man. Nestling among this glut of 
cellulite hung her ample dugs, recognisable through the cotton by the 
saucer-sized nipples which, rather than peeking through, sank back 
into her flesh like moon craters. Picture, if you will, the "Fat Slags" in 
"VIZ" magazine.

To give her due credit, her pale skin had a translucent quality, like fine 
alabaster - if you took a small enough sample area, that is. Expand the 
area, and her hide looked more like Istrian marble, with blue and purple 
veins crisscrossing the surface.

Anyway, driving-wise Lorraine was fine. Honest Injun. No intervention 
needed there. So good, in fact, that I didn't even need to sit in the front 
with her, but huddled in the back sneaking a quick smoke with the other 
girls.

All good things must eventually come to an end, so we said our farewells, 
the girls tripping up and giving me a nice (chaste) peck on the cheek.

Hang on, I just remembered that there were 10 pupils. There *were* a 
couple of boys on this trip. I dunno, they must have done OK, as I don't 
remember much about them ;-> 

Martin said it all went very well, apologised for inconveniencing me with 
a truckload of "screaming schoolkids", and asked if I would mind awfully 
if he asked me again sometime. Hmmmm, I wonder... can I take the 
stress?

He wants me to train up as a guide and instructor for Peak Safaris, and 
suggested I come out with him next week and explore them. Yeah, I could 
handle that - and even if nothing else, I should discover some new green 
lanes....

--
Pierre

OBTW re: my recent post about SII/IIAs: my deadline's in a couple of days,
so if anyone *has* got any info etc they want to mail me, I need it NOW! :-)

-- 
Pierre
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"I have cut down on my fire-eating recently, since finding out it can do
irrepairable damage to your lungs if the paraffin goes down the wrong way"
                                             - Darryn Saville, fire-eater
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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: More Rovers in Living Daylights
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:33:29 -0700 (MST)

Pierce writes re Living Daylights Rovers:

< Opening scene -- Series III military being driven flat-out across Gibralter
< ending in its' being driven off a cliff and exploding in mid-air after Bond
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
< before the plane crashes.
< I don't think I missed any this time.

You missed at least two (but maybe they were one and the same, and maybe 
they were the same SIII as the opening scene in Gibraltar -- I missed 
that part).  As the protagonists land in Afg, there's a long shot of SIII 
parked on airfield.  When they return to airfield for the climax, there's 
a rear view of some Russkiis driving perhaps the same vehicle (and it's 
definitely not the "cobbled" 90.)
 
< BTW... Where'd everyone go?  The list is 1/4 the size as before.  This can't be
< because Taylor stopped asking questions.... ;-)

Taylor took everybody to rec.autos.4x4!

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA
      http://mercury.cair.du.edu/~tomills (under construction)

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From: Pete Young <pyoung@srd.bt.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:00:59 GMT
Subject: Re: More Rovers in Living Daylights

T. F. Mills writes:

>Taylor took everybody to rec.autos.4x4!

... where I discovered the existence of this excellent mailing list, and
immediately unsubscribed from rec.autos.4x4, which is full of tedious
gibberish from US college kids about Japanese and US imitations of
Solihull's finest.

I'm new to Land Rovers - I've just acquired a 1986 110 CSW because (a)
I've wanted one since I was about 8 years old and (b) I need something
capable of towing and launching a boat and carrying 6 divers + full kit.

My wife is now convinced that I have taken leave of my senses. Somebody
please tell me that this is normal!

Regards

Pete

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re : RR Putting the heat on
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:19:12 GMT

I've just recieved the below and have a couple of comments;

**** Begin Enclosed Section ****
Sure enough, the pump was shot, but that
sort of damage none of us had ever seen before: The edges and surfaces of
the rotating pump wheel looked like they had been coarsly sandblasted,
all pitted and chipped, and the mating surface on the front engine cover
had a circular depression that looked like a wash-out from swirling water.
Makes me worry, because directly behind this depression in the already rather
thin cover is the timing chain housing. Imagine water being forced with
high pressure through a crack into the timing gears...
**** End Enclosed Section **** 

The damage you describe sounds almost exactly like a condition known as
cavitation which I have seen in large numbers of pumps in commercial (i.e.
bulk fluid pumping) applications.  I am not familiar with the construction
of the RR water pump and may therefore be completely wrong - correct me if this
is the case!

In simple terms, cavitation is caused by the following mechanism;

* Due to prevailing conditions in the pump, the fluid being pumped "breaks away"
  from the surface of the impeller (the 'rotating pump wheel'?), causing a 
  small area of extremely low pressure to form.  Imagine a bubble of air 
  sticking to the surface of the impeller like happens in the bottom of a 
  freshly-run bath.  Now imagine that there is nothing but vacuum inside that
  bubble, and that the void is caused by low pressure.

* As soon as the conditions change (i.e. the local pressure rises), water
  collapses into the bubble/void with incredible force.  The impact of the 
  'inrushing' water on the surface of the impeller is so great that it removes
  material like a meteorite hitting the moon.

I've seen high-speed pumps running in totally the wrong application lose kilos
of impeller material in a week - the process can be very quick once things get 
out of hand.

Cavitation (or associated effects) would also account for the circular 
depression on the other side of the housing. 

The really interesting thing is what caused a normally well-behaved pump to
suddenly self-destruct?  Or did this happen over a long period?  Whichever is
the case, my first bet would be on some kind of obstruction on the inlet side
of the pump, maybe adjacent to the pump, maybe further up the line.  It would
be well worth cheking.  Is there a non-standard element to the cooling system?
A reduction in pipe diameters or a radiator choked up with rad-weld could 
produce problems.

A usual indication of severe cavitation is a rushing/pinging/scraping noise
coming from the pump.  Sounds like it is trying to pump a hard, suspended solid.
Could be kinda difficult to isolate with an i.c. engine running next to it tho!

Hope this is either of help or causes controversy.  Perhaps someone put salt 
water or sand in the cooling system <- alternative explanation! :-)

All the best,

Andy Grafton

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: RR putting the heat on
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:25:02 GMT

A quick follow up to my previous (3 mins ago) posting...;

If the RR had been running with the coolant boiling or almost boiling for a
period of time (like it had been running too hot but not red hot) then this
could induce pump damage.

Andy

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:29:56 -0800
From: jory@mit.edu (jory bell)
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instruction

>Pierre's introduction to offroad tuition:
>---------------------------------------------------

[schnip]

congratulations pierre. your writing style is vivid and passably well
crafted. not to mention which, you managed to post one of the most sexist
and offensive pieces of drivel i've yet seen on the rover mailing list (and
that's saying something).

-jory

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 05:43:44 -0500
Subject: MADE IT!!!!!!

Hello all:
      I've finally received my 'acceptance' to this elusive list and, having
seen only one days mailing, already love it.    SERIOUS 'Thanks' to all of
you who reached out to my queries for help, and especially to Bill Coloccia.
      Though I've posted (I think) a few things prior to my receiving
mailings, I'm not sure what got through and what didn't.   I'm getting in
sync now and promise not to be redundant in the future.

                                Brief Profile:
Rick Crider                               
111 S. Hayne  St.
Monroe  NC  28112
(704) 289-6303
<rickcrider@aol.com>
      
       Age 38, married, one child, small time private real estate investor
(aka:landlord, though that title sometimes has negative impact).  
       Long time Land Rover owner.   First Landy: '70 II-A / 88" (failrly
rough).     Current Rovers:  '73 III / 88", red, one owner (prior to me),
 37000 documented miles, all paper work back to day one including the
shipping ticket from the UK.   Mint condition....too clean for its intended
purpose.     My daily driver is a Range Rover, 1988, 90,000+ miles.   We've
had our moments but its never totally stranded me.
      Other obsessions:  Old Alfa Romeos  (seven at the moment),  Amatuer
(ham) radio operator (KD4FXA), and general gadget nut.
      Correspondence welcome from all, especially nearby Rover owners.
  Monroe is near Charlotte NC.   Anyone out there in the near vicinity?
      Traveling Roverists in the area with trouble are welcome to call...have
garage, shop tools, and some spares.   Very handy with the older ones.....not
much help on the newer electronic stuff.
      Would love to have one of the 500 '93 Defender 110's if you know the
whereabouts of one reasonably close.
      Thanks again.....looking forward.
Cordially:
Rick Crider

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: More Rovers in Living Daylights
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:48:27 GMT

Hi Pete,
I am glad to be able to inform you that
a)Yes you *have* taken leave of your senses,and:
b)This is perfectly normal.
What happens now,in the usual course of events is this.
You drive her around in the Land Rover,suffering the slings
and arrows etc,for a month or two.*Then* you beg,borrow,steal,
or hire a saloon car for an afternoon and drive her around in
that.Quickly.Watch for the white knuckle effect.She will*not*
feel safe with the bum so close to the road.Neither will you,
but that's beside the point.Should your lady wife be of an
inquisitive nature(most of them are,so its a fairly safe bet),
drive her round the neighbourhood,encouraging her to look at
the scenery.Mrs so-and-so's front room furnishings,old Mr
whatsit front garden and the state thereof,you know the sort
of thing.These details were not previously on view from the
lesser vantage point of lesser vehicles.(Warning.Dont mention
the fact that a Transit van is roughly the same height).
However,its a *bad* thing to travel too often past shop windows,
which from a Land Rover are laid out in full view for her delight,
(I think shopkeepers do this on purpose),and you havent the speed
whizz past without her spotting something,which her life has
hitherto been incomplete without.
Above all,*dont* let her drive it!You will never,ever,get it back.
Unless,of course,you can work the"well,if its *your* Land Rover,
I'll just have to get another one for me"trick.Its a good trick
if you can work it,but should be regarded as a last resort.
Enjoy Yourself
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: An Introduction to Offroad Instruction
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:03:08 GMT

> >Pierre's introduction to offroad tuition:
> >---------------------------------------------------
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> that's saying something).
> -jory
Yes,I liked it too!
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Re : RR Putting the heat on
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:09:49 GMT

Ah,but would a *circ* pump,rather than a delivery pump produce
the effect,bearing in mind that the pressure *should* be as near
as dammit the same throughout the system.Although I tak your point
about restrictions.I'd go for the "foreign bodies" theory myself,
particularly since so much gave up the ghost all-of-a-sudden-Peggy,
as it were.
cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:13:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: good Rovers-bad movie

Another movie to add to the list!

I watched Lethal Ninja last night, and I'm really embarassed!
But I looked up the subject in the T.V. listings and it said
a ninja dude rescues damsel in Africa.  There has to be a Rover
in this one.  And there was, several.

I don't want to ruin the plot for you, in fact I can't remember
what the plot was- but, here are some interesting points:

1) Ninja hiding in the back of a topless 109, gives guy the death
grip!

2) 2 blown up Rovers 1 88 and 1 109 (as per above).

3) cool Ser. III 109 SW, military green with big tires!  This is
driven by the heroes (zeros).  Although I cringed when they said
"get the jeep".

4) Squeeling tires from the 109 SW on dirt roads!  Cool chase scene
when the 109 SW does "Rockford Files" type manuevers.  Does the 
Rovers North off-road school teach how to do a reverse 180 sliding
turn in a 109?  

5) Cool braking technique to avoid going off the cliff, roll the
Rover.  Then get out the back door that opens the wrong way (hinges
exposed and all).

Joe Bob would say "check it out", if he owned a Rover.

Ciao,

Morgan

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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:04:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Cal. LR 4 sale 

Everyone who cares:

I'm sure I'll be arrested for insider trading info. but
I have a line on a Rover for sale.

I was parked outside a Mexican restraunt in Napa Calif. (my
home town), eating inside.  A kid (~20) comes up to my table
and asks, "do either of you guys own the Land Rover outside?"
"why yes" I reply.

This kid wants to sell his '69 IIA 88", 89,000 original miles,
mostly original mechanics (Rover engine), new interior and
window tracks, it is red with a white top and has 5 new B.F.G.
Mud Terrains on it.  He wants about $6500 for it, but he says
he spent $5000 on it, fixed up the interior, etc.

When we said (I was sitting with another LRO) "why", he claimed
that he "wants something that goes faster than 60mph".

hack, cough, hack hack..............

My smart alec mother said "like a Honda"? and the kid gave an 
afirmative gesture.

So, if you have a spare $6000 (I'm sure he is flexible) or a
nice Honda that will go faster than 60mph give this guy a call.

Matt Biair, (707)224-1650.

He also said it has a "kick ass stereo in it".  To which we replied,
"well you have to have one to hear it, in a Land Rover".

****************************************************************** 
By the way, my mother wondered why he came up to only our table in
a crowed Napa restraunt?

Ciao,

Morgan

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:22:13 +0000
From: cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Charlie Wright)
Subject: Re: oracle questions from neophyte

Craig Murry insists:

>Lucas electric aren't all that bad, it is just that people with series
>Land Rovers have electrical systems that are probably at least 20 years
>old!

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree here.  Lucas has earned its reputation
through years of substandard and even dangerous wiring and electrics.

The simplest answer is that the Bosch electrics in my BMW are also 21 years
old, and they are as reliable, neat, and unmolested as ever. Yes I had a
starter motor reconditioned, but that's pretty fair at that age.

I have more or less replaced the electrics in the Land Rover, much of which
involved putting in relays where 13 amp circuits had been running through
my (metal) dash and replacing the infamous bullet connectors.  I'm sorry,
Lucas electrics are the invention of the devil... but we all love them...

Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:45:40 -0800
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Technical Question

David John Place <umplace@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
>One last try. Hope my mail works now.

 I think what's happening is that the lro@team.net mailer deamon is
 sending the message(s) just fine, and echos to everyone EXCEPT the sender.
 Consequently, after waiting awhile and NOT receiving the bounce from
 the deamon, the sender feels that the message was misdirected.
 Bill Caloccia, ...help us out here.

  Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.500-442-6500
  Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
  NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:28:18 -0800
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Swivel Balls and Seals

Clayton R Kirkwood (kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com) writes:
> I noticed at least on the Defender and I think on the Disco, that the wheel
> is attached to the axle via a round ball (not a very technical description,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> and even by dirt, sand etc. Comments: is this a real world problem? Does the
> "ball" really help in the articulation?

Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au> continues:
>The only ball I can think of is for the steering on the front axle, and 
>has nothing to do with suspension.  If you are really worried about them 
>tho I think you can buy gaitors for them.

The articulation is handled by swivel pins inside the ball.  The ball provides
the spherical shape against which the large circular oil seal bears against,
seperating the internal oil and external dirt/environment.  Gaitors are highly
recommended to keep dirt/soil/water/salt/etc off of the sphere and working its
way under the seal.  Caked up dirt on the top of the ball will eventually
corrode the top of the ball and cause pitting.  The top of the ball should
therefore be kept clean and oiled.  The bottom of the ball will generally stay
oily as the sphere moves in and out of the oil chamber behind the seal, as the
oil level (see filler plug) should reach at least halfway up.  Gaitors are
leather treated initially with vaseline at installation, and then with 90W from
the swivel ball.

  Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.500-442-6500
  Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
  NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:00:31 -0800
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Real Time????

Rick Crider (rickcrider@aol.com) wrote:
>Would someone inform me about the 'Real-Time' list and how it differs from
>the others?  Thanks.  rickcrider@aol.com

 The 'real time' list echos messages sent to lro@team.net virtually instantly
 to the addresses/subscribers on the list.  Unfortunately, no new subscribers
 are currently being accepted.  The 'digest' list subscribers get a daily
 compilation of all messages for that day sent as one email message, usually
 around 7 or 8 AM UK time.

  Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.500-442-6500
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:01:29 -0500
From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman C. Wing)
Subject: Steering problems cont...

Well, I feel like a total idiot now. You may remember I was having trouble
with the steering on my IIA. I tried some of the things suggested to me
last week with no improvements. Then I had the bright idea of checking my
tire pressures. They were at 14-15psi all around, which seemed a bit low,
to say the least. I inflated them to a more reasonable pressure and the
problem was gone. Somehow I had managed to disasssemble and reassemble
almost the entire car without once checking the pressures! (sound of head
being banged repeatedly on table) Thanks to everyone who responded, and
next time I'll check things more carefully before I jump in and waste
bandwidth. :)

                                                            bcw
                                                            1966 88" petrol

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Lucas Aglow
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:19:19 GMT

OK,Craig says Lucas isnt too bad,Charlie disagrees.
So,what actually *is* Lucas in terms of bits.
On mine,headlamps,voltage regulator,starter,and switches on
the dashboard.Oh,and the bullet connections that Charlie hates
and I wish you could still get.Who actually *said* the wiring
was Lucas?I for one have never seen it written anywhere.Ah,I
forgot the dynamo in that list.And the first decent battery
I've ever had on it(diesel,dont forget)that's Lucas,too.
There aint any more of Uncle Joe *on* the beast.Fine,if it
was petrol,the distributor would be as well.
If Lucas stuff is so awful,why is it that out of all the cars
I've owned over the years,I've never had any trouble with Lucas
gear.On the other hand,my Triumph Dolomite had an AC Delco
distributor.American isnt it?The sintered iron bushes wore out
giving anything between half a mile to minus ten yards point
gap.Rebush it sir?No way,you can only do that with Lucas.
Actually I *did* re-bush it,with proper Admiralty Gunmetal
bushes,turned from bar and lapped in.
Why did the wiring on a two year old Citroen GSA go on fire,
putting out all the lights.And you try making sense of French
wiring.Ducellier?
Bosch stuff may be OK,the only experience of the make I've
had was a set of spark plugs I threw out after a month,they
were so awful.Put Champions in instead.
I dont really think its a fair comparison,BMW and Land Rover.
I mean you dont see too many BMW cars at off road events,or
chugging round farmyards,covered in corrosive cow crap,wiring
and all.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that Lucas stuff is neither
better nor worse than anyone elses.My only wiring problems tend
to be with aged and therefore brittle wires,and you can hardly
blame Uncle Joe for the copper.Its never blown a bulb(touch wood)
the original dynamo worked far longer then it ought to have done
considering the state it had got into(and even then I recovered it
for another year).Sure,I'm on my third starter motor,but the first
one went on fire due to some clown rewiring the main starter circuit
with 440V mains earth cable,and the next one fell off,which was my
own stupid fault.
So whose to say?I'll tell you one thing,thoughAt least the old 11A
possesses a wiring diagram I can understand.And considering my state
of electrical incompetance that is no mean feat.Have you seen what
passes for a wiring diagram for modern cars?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@faculty.coe.wvu.edu>
Date:          Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:33:40 EDT
Subject:       Pump Cavitaion

Pumps cavitate when pressure at the pump impeller surface decreases 
close the the surfaces of the pump. The lowered pressure combined 
with the high coolant temperature result in the formation of vapor 
(steam) bubbles on the pump impeller surface. As as the bubble moves outward from the 
center region of the impeller the pressure rises and causes the vapor 
in the bubble to collapse (violently) resulting in 1) an audible 
noise and 2) possible damage to the impeller. 

I spent six years in the Navy working in an engine room and listened 
to this all the time, even the ships propellors cavitate at high 
speed. Although I have only pulled a few water pumps, I have never 
seen or heard of that kind of damage. Interesting. The most important 
thing is to find all of the impeller pieces which are now in the 
coolant system.

Anyone ever heard of damage this severe in an automobile water pump?

Take care
David McKain            mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu
540 Burroughs St.       (304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV  26505
USA                     1966 Ser IIA Petrol

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:48:46 -0500
From: "Gerald L. Mandell" <gm@galen.med.virginia.edu>
Subject: Range Rover ignition key

I love my brand new 95 classic but have a question that the dealer can't answer.
The ignition key will not start the car "sometimes" unless I tap the brake
pedal.This happens about half time.
I have not figured out the pattern ,if any.
An email response would be appreciated.
Jerry

gerald mandell
gm@galen.med.virginia.edu

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: clanking Defender
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:34:50 +0000 (GMT)

I get no clanking noises etc from my Ninety when off road, just the odd
twang and boing from the suspension. Mind you, it doesn't do much rock
climbing; mostly mud.
Cheers!
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(0475) 530581  Fax:(0475) 530601

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 06:39:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Spoto <tspoto@kristina.az.com>
Subject: Re: Lucas Aglow

On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Mike Rooth wrote:

> OK,Craig says Lucas isnt too bad,Charlie disagrees.
> So,what actually *is* Lucas in terms of bits.
> On mine,headlamps,voltage regulator,starter,and switches on
> the dashboard.Oh,and the bullet connections that Charlie hates
> and I wish you could still get.
I'm rewiring my '67' 88 and had no problem getting Lucas bullet 
connectors and the female sockets both single and double. I guess this is 
my introduction to the list. Three Rovers, all 88's. The previously 
mentioned '67' IIa I've had since May 1975, and two '72' III's the red one 
in a state of flux. When something goes on the white one the red gets 
parted out and then replaced later.
Live in the Pacific Northwest, Bellingham, Washington to be precise. 
The Cascade Mountains and Canada just a few minutes away give lots of 
wilderness driving episodes.
Regards
trs

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 06:51:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Spoto <tspoto@kristina.az.com>
Subject: Re: Pump Cavitaion

On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, David McKain wrote:

> Pumps cavitate when pressure at the pump impeller surface decreases 
> close the the surfaces of the pump. The lowered pressure combined 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 25 lines)]
> Morgantown, WV  26505
> USA                     1966 Ser IIA Petrol
Yes. When I was working in Australia I asked one of the Australian 
Mechanics on the ship working with me about 4.4 liter Oz versions of 
Rovers 3.5. My intention was buy one ship it home and put in my Rover. 
Always have to be different. Anyway He said what ever I did pull the 
water pump and inspect it as these engines were prone to cavitation and 
pitting severe enough to require welding and machine work or junking it. 
I did get to ship some stuff home from Darwin and Perth to convert to a 
pickup. Thats my 2 cents.
Regards
trs

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover ignition key
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 7:20:24 PST

Welcome to the wonderful world of lucas. Actually this is what gives
Land Rovers their personility. Every lucus electronics has a mind of its own.

Russ
91 Ranger Rover, which relays chatter once in a while
94 D-90 which refuses to start for a couple of min once in a great while.
> I love my brand new 95 classic but have a question that the dealer can't answer.
> The ignition key will not start the car "sometimes" unless I tap the brake
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> gerald mandell
> gm@galen.med.virginia.edu

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:45:00 -0500
Subject: Re: More Rovers in Living Daylights

>My wife is now convinced that I have taken leave of my senses.

Sorry Pete, your wife's right.

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:03:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Capstan winch querry.

>I got the oportunity to put a stock Defender 110 capstan winch on the front
of a III 88"  How much can these puppies pull?

You impress me Taylor.  Capstan winches are really cool.  They give you a lot
more control, AND they give you that HE-MAN MACHO feeling of recovering the
vehicle with your own muscles.  Taylor, you HULK you.

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:47:18 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Back to Normal

Ahh...everything back on track...well, almost.

Kelly's having some problems with Craddock's...jacking prices up from 54 to
116 pounds.  Well, that is S.O.P. for them, and as there is a puddle (and a
continent) between you and them, t'aint much you can do about it either!  A
while back, I saw one of Craddock's adds that listed the short starting
think so.

I called them to complain, but the bloke on the other end quoted the
company little red book about special orders and what-not and basically
said that if I didn't like it I could go get stuffed.  Well, bugger
Craddock's I say.  Try Merseyside...far better service (and attitude).

Dave's got some questions about manifold vacuum and noble gasses.  21" at
idle is great...anything over 20" is gravy.  A friend who runs a one-man
welding shop (and former Land Rover owner) uses only argon for aluminum
welding.  His business now consists solely of making supports/towers for
sport fishing boats...he prefers TIG welding (better heat control) and his
welds are gorgeous, but he is working with heavier stock than Birmabright
panels.  The Lumiweld stuff and a standard propane torch do a good job, but
the stuff hardens to Rockwell C60, so machining the weld afterwards is damn
near impossible.

And, Stefan...well done!  It's amazing what you can do when logic and
<burp> collective reasoning prevail!

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From: Bill Yerazunis <crash@concentra.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:33:30 +0500
Subject: Disco Truths (was: Oracle Questions)

Well, I can't say how *long* a new 94 or 95 Disco will last, but I'm
expecting mine to last at least a light-second (186Kmiles) and expecting
around a quarter-million miles.  Expect to spend about $500 every 30K
miles for the "standard maintenance" - I just had mine done at the 
'droids, who did a very nice job and stamped my warranty book.  I use
Mobil-1 synthetic lubricants all through it- no major leaks yet!  :-)

The Disco is a TRUCK- truck-sized cooling, lubing, and maintenance.  The
engine and transmission both have auxilliary oil coolers; the main radiator 
is sized larger than the radiator for a 400 cubic inch V8 in an american 
muscle-car.

re: power:
Most car engines are specced at maximum power sustainable without damage or
or overheat for ten seconds; Land Rover's idea of speccing power is maximum 
power at full throttle sustainable for TWENTY-FOUR HOURS without overheating
or losing lube (actually, the spec is twenty-four hours full throttle 
in each of four positions - nose up 45 degrees, down 45 degrees, tilted
left 45 degrees, tilted right 45 degrees).

re: the console: 
No, the center console is no problem for rear-seat passengers.  Sit in 
the rear seat in the center if you want to verify this.

re: the jump seats:
If the driver's side jump seat is set toward the center and not recessed,
then the car you saw had the extra REAR air conditioner! (which mounts
where the jump seat would and displaces the jump seat out about six inches).
The rear air conditioner is an extra cost option; I doubt if you need it.
I don't have rear air and both jump seats are within an inch or two
of the rear windows when stowed.  No problem with the seats jumping around-
and kids love 'em.  At least my neices do.  They call 'em the "safari seats".

re: traction control:
No, the Disco is a fulltime 4WD with fulltime 4-wheel, 4-channel all-terrain
antilock brakes but not with "traction control".  Traction control basically
senses when a wheel is spinning and cuts the engine power.  It's a big win
for 2WD sedans and minivans but not much good if you have 4WD.  The 4-wheel
4-channel all-terrain ABS means:

 4-wheel: that all four wheels are sensor-equipped and modulatable;
 4-channel: that each of the four wheels are monitored and modulated 
	independently (THIS is important!)
 all-terrain: ABS programming has been modified to include proper 
	behavior on soft surfaces where you *do* get more braking power
	by allowing some wheel skid (which builds up a pile of loose
	surface material in front of the wheel which improves
	braking significantly on dirt roads), as well as continuing 
	to sense and modulate down to like .5 MPH, where most 
	on-road ABSes cut out around 3 MPH.

I haven't had any need to install aftermarket add-ons under the hood; I can
give you two hints about electric add-ons, especially cellphones and ham
radio rigs (courtesy of Scott Tucker of Land Rover USA in Maryland):

	1) if you see a yellow wiring harness cover- STAY AWAY!  That's
	your airbag system!  Keep low-power RF at least a foot away, and
	high-power RF as far away as possible!

	2) there's some "nice space" for installing gear under the plastic
	trim at the back of the truck just forward and aft of the jump seats.
	You'll need an allen wrench to take the jump seats out, but when
	you have them out, you can install a good chunk of stuff in there,
	which is then completely concealed when you put the trim back, and
	no theif will ever get out without the right sized allen wrench and
	a half-hour to remove the seating.

Re: working on the car:
It's EASY.  No need for ramps, jackstands, etc.  Just crawl under.  It
really is a very easy vehicle to deal with.

re: the front axle articulation:
Those "steel balls" are hollow inside, and contain the front universals
running in a bath of heavy oil.  This is a much more robust design than
the typical open (unshielded) joint or a joint covered by a rubber boot.
(think what happens when a sharp wooden stick hits a rubber boot.  The
rubber boot tears, you lose your joint lubrication, mud and grit get in,
and the joint fails.  If a sharp wooden stick hits that steel ball, the
stick turns to kindling and you continue on your way.)

re: ground clearance:
The number you're quoting is the minimum clearance at any point- and that's
the bottom of the differentials.  Land Rover differentials are bigger
because they're stronger.  --- but you should also notice that the
Land Rover differentials are off to the side of the vehicle, and lined
up with each other.  The Isuzu has one in the middle and one on one
side.  Thus, the effective envelope of what the LR can go over without
scraping is larger than the Isuzu's envelope.  When in doubt, try to straddle
big boulders or to put them directly UNDER you-the driver.  That's the 
maximum clearance zone.

re: the D90 versus the Disco:
Unless they've changed something, the D90 does not have ABS nor airbags.
They have the same engine, same transmission, but different "transfer 
cases" (that's the auxilliary geardown unit that splits power).  They 
both have a "low range" for extra-heavy-duty pulling; the Disco low range
is a 2.9:1 geardown and the D90 is a 3.5:1 geardown.

re: theft and insurance:
the Disco was actually less expensive to insure than my previous car,
a Subaru!

Final analysis, now that I've owned one for a year and 30Kmiles:

	"would I buy another if this one got stolen, totalled, etc?"

	YES!!!  It's not a sports car, but it's got it "down deep", where
		it counts.  

			-Bill Yerazunis (and Sally X-ray)

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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover ignition key
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 17:00:26 GMT

> ...........95 classic but have a question that the dealer can't answer.
> The ignition key will not start the car "sometimes" unless I tap the brake
> pedal.This happens about half time.
> I have not figured out the pattern ,if any.
> An email response would be appreciated.

Gerry, your RR is simply too new.  Go buy an older one ;-)

Cheers,
Steve.

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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: oracle questions from neophyte
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 17:07:24 GMT

Charlie says,

> The simplest answer is that the Bosch electrics in my BMW are also 21 years
> old, and they are as reliable, neat, and unmolested as ever. .........
> I have more or less replaced the electrics in the Land Rover, much of which

Two things spring to mind here:  1. what did you pay for the Beamer and
what did you pay for the LR?  2.  When was the last time you did off
road bump and grind in the BMW..............?

I'm with Mike R on this one.

Cheers,
Steve.

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:08:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Capstan winch querry.

On Fri, 10 Mar 1995 Sanna@aol.com wrote:

> >I got the oportunity to put a stock Defender 110 capstan winch on the front
> of a III 88"  How much can these puppies pull?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> more control, AND they give you that HE-MAN MACHO feeling of recovering the
> vehicle with your own muscles.  Taylor, you HULK you.

	The pull of a capstan winch is augmented by the breaking strain 
	of the rope.  My suggestion to Taylor is to get some nice 2"
	diameter rope.  Huge breaking point.  We use it for LR tug-of-wars
	up here.  Perfect for Taylors capstan winch!

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: bump and grind in a bmw
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:23:41 EST

> Two things spring to mind here:  1. what did you pay for the Beamer and
> what did you pay for the LR?  2.  When was the last time you did off
> road bump and grind in the BMW..............?
none

12/16/94 and it was a total.

rd/nige

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:25:28 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  RR putting the heat on

I sympathize -- I've had the same problem on mine in 93 -- I stripped out
the water pump, thermostat, etc only to find the problem was the temperature
sender (a nice little $50 part) which was intermittent. The new one I got
has a different "personality" and makes the gauge read higher! 

The moral I drew from the experience was, when ANY warning light or sensor
reading indicates a problem, suspect the sensor first!! I don't mean ignore
it and carry on, but I've found at least 50-50 chance it's the sensor
that's the problem. Had the same thing happen on the coolant level sensor
that insisted there was no coolant when there was! I've also had problems
with the road speed sensor telling the ECU the vehicle is stationary, and
the oil level sensor has a mind of its own completely independent of the actual oil level.
oil level. I believe around 1991 many of these sensors were replaced with
Siemens parts that are supposedly more reliable.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:13:33 +0000
From: cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Charlie Wright)
Subject: worshippers of the Prince of Darkness

>OK,Craig says Lucas isnt too bad,Charlie disagrees.
>So,what actually *is* Lucas in terms of bits.

Lucas bits may not be fundamentally worse than many others (and I certainly
don't back the corners of Delco and others I don't know well enough), but
Lucas has a habit of becoming a problem more through bad design than
materials. Perhaps more of the onus falls on the Land-Rover engineers
themselves.

The dip-switch on my headlamps, for example.  High current, rotating, self
cleaning switch is a fine idea.  But why would it be floor mounted... in a
Land Rover?  No self cleaning switch will get out some of what gets in
there...

The wiring.  It may have been acceptable for its day, but it is neither
well thought out nor safe nor robust.  I do think the BMW makes a fair
comparison, as they are about the same age.  BMW managed to work both fuses
and relays into the system, and put the loom and runs where they were
accessible but protected from the elements and the road.

Lucus' idea of a relay is the fact that something taking place in the
cockpit is 'relayed' to the front or back of the vehicle. This is an
improvement on getting out and lighting acetylene lanterns, yes ;-)  His
idea of a fuse is small gauge wire.  If you get a dead short in your
electrics (I have) the wire will usually burn out quietly before it sets
something important on fire...

I'm sorry to be so unforgiving, but these 'modern devices' did exist c.
1970, others managed to use them.

No, I don't off road in the 2002 (though it would be fun to think about a
rally conversion... 325ix drivetrain...), but if I did, it would not be the
electrics that gave out.

Land Rovers were designed for the tasks they do, and designed well, but
Lucas is still not getting my vote for 'technical innovation' or safety in
the near future.

Having said that, if I didn't have Lucus to curse every time the lights
went into stealth mode or the wiring loom suffered a 'smoke leak' it
wouldn't be the same endearing vehicle it is.

cheers,
Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: 110s
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:06:15 EST

>       Would love to have one of the 500 '93 Defender 110's if you know the
> whereabouts of one reasonably close.

There are three in the latest Hemmings, plus another (that I suspect is
not a US Spec 110).  One of these three (#5/500) is for sale by a friend
of mine ("$40K obo" in the add, but all the others are above that AND
have more miles AND, at least in one case is listed as "firm").

Any takers (no commisions here for me)?

rd/nige

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:09:44 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  worshippers of the Prince of Darkness

Also, many of the electrical components which love to fail on our Rovers are
not even made by Lucas. A case in point is the Road Speed Transducer which 
has given me trouble -- made by Jaeger in France. 

Cheers

John Brabyn

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Subject: Re: 110s 
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:44:41 -0500
From: "Jeff Young" <young@mci.net>

at the risk of becomming the next taylor (he'll probably run off
and buy something soon), is it feasible to import one of these?

i understand that there are modifications that must be made before
the vehicle can be released from the importer, or the importer's
mechanic...  

would you be more likely to find one in canada?

I expect that LHD vehicles could be found in europe outside the UK and i 
have a contact who has regurlarly imported vehicles (not lr's) from europe.  He's
even owned one or two lr's.

i guess what i'd like to find is a LHD, series, <diesel or stage 1>, lwb, doormobile
or any lhd, lwb defender. (what do you call the post-series lwb?  it's a defender right?)
worse shape the better (i want a project and i know that my wife won't let me sink
too much cash -- all at once that is :-o).

Jeff Young
young@mci.net

> From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
> Subject: Re: 110s
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> Any takers (no commisions here for me)?
> rd/nige

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:55:53 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: BR/DAP Merger

Bruce McEnaney, formerly propreitor of British Rovers has purchased DAP
Enterprises, late of Wareham, Mass. and is moving the company lock, stock
and container load to Springfield, Vermont.

Bruce is in the process of buying a former power company service garage and
will have far more garage/service/warehouse space than ever before plus a
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:07:14 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Re : RR Putting the heat on

I think you are on the right track. Cavitation is very common on boats 
where you don't have the prop at the right attack angle or too high etc.  
It eats aluminum props in no time.  The edges get all warn like you have 
been driving in sand.  The partially stuck thermostat is probably the 
cause.  If the pump is turning fast and the thermostat won't allow enough 
water to enter, a swirl chamber is created pulling in air.  This would 
account for the problem.  2 1/4 L Land Rovers often overheat for no good 
reason when you use a North American Thermostat instead of the skirted 
one.  Is it possible this engine is designed for the skirted type and a 
flat one was installed.  Look at Aluminum Workhorse sometime last year I 
think for a very good article on a fellow who explained the reason Land 
Rovers need the skirt.  Since stopping cutting a flat N.A. type to fit I 
no longer have any overheating problems even on long hard runs. I had to 
order from England and even on the first try was sent an incorrect one 
from Bermach (sp).  I finally got one from Melcolm in Alberta from old stock.  
Thank God I ordered spares because I don't know where to get them now.  
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:45:49 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess)
Subject: suburban (as in urban) roving

For all you real rocks and trees outdoor rover types,

Today, Davis and most of california got hammered with storms.  Not the
usual rain but lots of big drops and fierce winds.  Flooding here and
there, power outages and trees down alot of places.  Today was also a
school holiday;  my son and I planned to go skiing.  Even with the rover,
when things are like this, I don't go into the sierras, so we stayed home.

Alex and I tried to go see a movie but were delayed (begin rover story).
The city of davis, as some sort of historical practical joke has a 2 lane
road (one lane each way) leading into downtown that is both the main street
into town AND the low spot (due to going under train tracks!) in town.  Put
these two things together, mix in heavy rain and what do you get---------
a traffic jam as cars slowly make their way through the 10" of water at the
bottom of the underpass.

I went through the water following a woman in an old toyota corolla wagon
(care to guess what happens?).  Yes, she stalls out while in the water at
the bottom of the slope.  As I calmly wait and scope out the alternatives,
she cranks and cranks, trying to start the little car.  I decide that if it
gets moved to the side, cars might be able to go around her until something
can pull/push her out of the way.  I take off my shoes and socks, roll up
my pants and get out of the rover.

I tell the driver to steer the car off to the side and I'll push.  She sort
of understands.  I push but it's hard so I ask if the car is in gear.  Yes
she says, getting out, shoes and socks disappearing under water.  Too late
but I say take your shoes and socks off.  When I get the car moving, the
guy in the pickup behind me appears, he also without shoes or socks;  then
the Davis Enterprise reporter/photographer who was on the sidelines joins
us.  We manage to push the car up the hill and out of the way.

On my way back to the rover, I see that a davis cop has shown up and is in
the wrong lane trying to drive to the trouble.  He announces over his pa,
if the driver of the white pickup will move, I can push the rover out of
the way!  I didn't want to go set him staright so I just got in and drove
away.  I think I'll write a letter to the editor to clear the rover name.
Hopefully, me and rover will be featured in the paper as good samaritans
rescuing the toyota but I doubt it.

john f hess phd (wow, really?)
jfhess@ucdavis.edu
from home via modem
Land-
  -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner!

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Lucas Aglow
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:54:38 EST

> OK,Craig says Lucas isnt too bad,Charlie disagrees.
> So,what actually *is* Lucas in terms of bits.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> There aint any more of Uncle Joe *on* the beast.Fine,if it
> was petrol,the distributor would be as well.

Don't look now, but those Girling brake cylinders.....they're
Lucas too (a recent set I bought from RN said "Joe Lucas-do ya 
trust me?" right on 'em and upon inquiry I was
told "Lucas=Girling")

> I mean you dont see too many BMW cars at off road events,or
> chugging round farmyards,covered in corrosive cow crap,wiring
> and all.

Gretchen (God rest her soul) made it _to_ the OVLR Bday party,
she was frequently seen toting tack and chasing ponies, and
although never spattered in cow crap, she did see her share of
horsie poop.  That count??

> possesses a wiring diagram I can understand.And considering my state
> of electrical incompetance that is no mean feat.Have you seen what
> passes for a wiring diagram for modern cars?

here,here.

rd/nigel (we and joe are like this.....no this.....no .....)

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:04:52 -0600 (CST)
From: "Michael H. Ramage" <RAMAGEM@carleton.edu>
Subject: Def 110: USA

If anyone is interested, there's a '93 110 for
sale in Minneapolis, at Carousel  (612) 544 9591.

FWIW,

Michael

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 17:51:02 PST
Subject: D90 driveline noises

-----------------------------
Russ writes:

>While driving some of the unique roads in the Moab UT. area I noticed
>a lot of play in the D-90 drive train. While rock climbing I would get
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>grinding, or clanking. I can imagine the fun I will have at the
>porshe audi dealer trying to explain this problem.

The D90 doesn't have the tightest driveline of any 4WD I've driven but I
assume this is due to it having full-time 4WD with a non-viscous center
diff plus being a Rover. This is amplified in low range. At any rate I've
never had this problem (except when the damn parking brake won't release
all the way but that's another problem)and I've driven my D90 a fair amount
(offroad that is).

My initial thought is that you may have had the center diff locked while
driving on large areas of rock which I believe Moab is famous for. This
would cause the driveline to "wind up" resulting in shuddering and steering
wheel kick whenever the tires could slip to relieve the wind-up. Rock covered
with a thin layer of dirt is ok or even several truck lengths of clean rock
are ok. Just no turning or "lengthy" driving on clean rock. Eventually
something will break.

If your center diff wasn't locked I can only suggest that the traction was
marginal and wheel slip/spin was impending.

Otherwise I'm clueless. Let me know if you find out what it was.

-----------------------
Leslie,

 the winch sounds great; all I need now is a PTO :(

- Stephen

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:45:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: RN winternewsletter

Russell Reports...

> And.....yet another description of the fun and frolic had at
> this past fall's Mid Atlantic ROAV event.....the one Dixon,
............snip...........
> A shot of Sandy Grice is in there....I had him pegged for an
> older fart but not so...

Nawwww... Sandy isn't much older than me... or maybe he's younger than me..
I dunno... He looks about my age...

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:46:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: diff lock info

Seymour, Gareth - Technician asks...

> who will ship to the UK. Also a price for ARB airlockers would be of 
> interest. Anyone visiting south Wales can give me a shout for some mighty 
> fine offroading.

Rovers North in Vermont,US (phone# 802-879-0032) has ARB kits. Prices in
thier last catalog are in US$ :
Compressor              - $225.00 - will handle front and rear
Diff lock kit           - $629.00
Salisbury diff lock kit - $680.00
Def.90 diff lock kit    - $680.00

Sounds like a lot of bucks to me.. you can probably find them cheaper.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:46:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: MORE Nat. Geo. Rovers

John R. Benham reports on Rovers in publications....
        
>     But for my money, the May, 1992 issue of PLAYBOY magazine has a 
> nicely appointed 88 canvas top displayed on pages 118 and 119.  
> Perhaps many of the LRO's missed this one due to the upstaging of the 
> fine cargo the Rover is carrying!  Definetely suitable for framing!

Old news, John...  A few months back a group of fellow netters were vying
for a copy of said Playboy issue that someone had for sale... (They all
really wanted to see how to rig the canvas top...)

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

------------------------------

Date: 10 Mar 95 21:55:33 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: MIG welding

David,   to weld steel use co2, if you weld a lot you will require a heater as
co2 freezes as it expands and flow stops.
 The use of 5% or 10% argon in the co obviates the need for this and gives a
better weld bead.
 To weld aliminium you should use either argon ( 100%) or for more specialist
work you can use helium, it is cheaper in some parts of the world.
 The pure argon can be used on steel but it gives a different bead shape and is
generally more expensive.
 It is also advisable to match the filler rod to the material you are welding,
there are several different silicon levels available in aluminium wire

 Clayton   LR offer a chamois leather gaiter kit to cover your balls ( swivel
housings ) they are a good extra to fit to a new vehicle to protect the chrome
surface and extend seal life.

  I really appreciated the advise for activities for limeys and yanks whilst the
French sleep on the job.   ( is it OK to call em frogs over here )
   Regards   Bill   Leacock     Limey in exile..

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:46:32 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Side Glances, Down Under

Fellow Rovers of the Net,

I have been a regular reader of Road & Track magazine for about 35 years 
(yeah, I'm an old fart).  A few years back (probably about 12 or 15) a new 
columnist was added to the editorial staff, Peter Egan, whose column is 
called "Side Glances."  I read it for a while but found it usually dealt 
with subjects no longer dear to my heart (though they once were) like the 
glory days of club racing and such.  

But this month's column (April issue) definitely caught my eye and I had to 
read it.  Why?  Well, the soft-color illustration was of an old Land-Rover 
88 tooling down a tree-lined lane.  The article is charming, very kind to 
Land-Rovers and admiring of Australia and New Zealand and the colorful old 
British autos seen there, especially Land-Rovers:

     Ah, yes, Land Rovers.  Lots of them.  Every sheep rancher between Auckland 
     and Christchurch seemed to have one; funky, well-used and mud-spattered. 
     ...  Their Land Rover chugged up steep toat paths effortlessly, while 
     adding its own element of charm to the almost impossibly perfect setting.

Go read it.

Granville Pool <mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net>
Redwood Valley, California, USA
(707) 485-7220 Home, (707) 463-4265 Work
'52, '60, '61, '73, and '74 SWB Land-Rovers and Austin Champ (military 4x4)

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: 1995 US National Rally
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:46:26 -0700 (MST)

Solihull Society members and friends should be receiving notice of the US 
National Rally any moment now.  It is not actually billed as the 
"national rally", but rather a celebration of the 25th anniversary of the 
Range Rover.  Y'all will be among the first to receive this invitation.

Rovers North and British Pacific are co-sponors with Solihull Society.

It will be held 15-20 August in Breckinridge, Colorado.

Features include:  trail rides (including Red Cone Pass and Radical Hill),
town parade, social events, historic tours, driving tests and games,
picnics and cookouts, banquet, raffle, prizes.

Accommodations include condos, hotels, B&B, camping.

Event is limited to first 40 vehicles to register!  R.S.V.P.:
Greg Chernushin, 1-800-383-5886
Peter Taylor, 1-800-332-6647, or 303-453-4458

Accomodation and event details will be mailed to registered participants 
in March.

There is no mention of cost, but I will pass that on as soon as I hear 
(or you can call the organizers).

This is the fourth consecutive year that the Solihull Society has hosted 
an ORGASM (Organized Rover Gathering in America's Scenic Mountains).  You 
can find accounts and photos of the '92 rally by Susan McCasland in the 
Nov. 1992 LROI, and of the '94 rally by yours truly in the Dec. 1994 LRW.

... well, I had better register before y'all beat me to it.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA
      http://mercury.cair.du.edu/~tomills (under construction)

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