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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:47:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Prospective 2nd Land-Rover (Discover

Hank sez...

(heh,heh,heh) <G>

>    p.s.
>    Everyone see the L-Rs impersonating Russian military vehicles in last
>    night's "Op Center" on American Tee Wee?  (Another Tom Clancy film.  
>    Clancy used to be the insurance agent for some of my in-laws.)  

Hey! What are you doing watching TV if it's your annual conjugal visit??

Yup... saw them, thought they were Rovers, and decided they just couldn't be
after seeing the way the canvas sagged full of rain water! What really got
me was that they hadn't a clue as to where the warheads could have gone..
(Hint Hint... just follow the muddy trail from the 8x8!!) 

Cheers
Mike

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 03:18:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Radio's, CB's and C.D in Land Ro

Mark..
Believe it or not, there *is* a radio mounting location in a SerIII. It's
not all that hard to find, but you might be better off disassembling the
dash to install the radio... Got you worried yet?

OK... Assuming you have LHD.. just to the right of the instrument panel
there is a small space with the lever for the dash vent. Put your hand in
there with your fingers pointing down and feel the front side (the side you
can't see) of the dash. You should be able to feel the cutouts for the radio
face and knobs. If your confused at this point (this is a bit silly!) there
is a space in the center of the dash for additional guages. The radio mounts
just to the left of that. The only problem that I could see with it is what
if you have a leak from the dask vents, or a leak somewhere else that would
cause water to settle in the dash tray?? Wet Radio Syndrome!!

Dash tray? Yup! If you dissassemble the dash, you should find a "tray" that
runs across the whole dash opening. Taking the dash apart is not hard, but
you need some warm place to do it.. Lot's of plastic bits there which would
probably snap in the cold weather.. (Love those plastic SerIII's)
 
As to CB.. If you have a real small set, you could mount it somewhere on the
dash tray.. I have a older CB, pretty big one and I mounted it below the
dash, dead center, flush against the sloping part of the bottom of the
dashboard. Doesn't interfere with the gearshift at all. 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Misc
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 0:37:21 PST

I have some misc. ramblings here...
First off, has anyone had problems getting their packages from UK out of the 
hands of Federal Express?  They have held up my order for over a week 'cause
it has brake line clips, a clutch master reservior cap seal, brake drum screws
etc., etc...  I have ordered 3 previous orders using UPS with actual brake
cylinders and repair kits and never had a problem!  They must know my motor is
running and I want to finish this restoration!
2.  The folks at Turner say the single Barrel Weber's run too lean.  Is this
true?  I have a rebuilt Zenith (new throttle bushings!). should I use this?  I
could jet the Weber richer if we know what jet to use!
3.  Head gaskets...  I have composite.  Doesn't look like it can go on wrong
(upside down...)  How can you get the small Vs. big holes in the wrong location?
Also, I didn't think you had to re-torque the composites???
4.  From what I have gathered/gleaned, the 89 Range Rover has the viscous
center diff lock, chain Vs gear driven transfer case, 3.9L motor, updated seals
in the power steering box (sure!), and updated auto-load leveler.  Don't know
if all of these are true, so someone else help us here!
5.  The '87 R. Rover I had was prone to water fowling (ducks?) due to the high-
pressure wash soaking the starter relay (second from the right).  If you are
not going to seal (hermetically) a relay, why put something as important as the
starter relay out in the engine bay where in could very well see water?
(enquiring engineering minds want to know!).
6.  How much off of MSRP are people paying for these Disco's?  The stripped is
listing for $29,375 or something and $32,285 out the door.  Down in S. Calif.
there are waiting lists.  You put your $1000 down and wait about 3 weeks.  I
don't mind waiting, but I hate the fact that there seems to bee no "dealing".
All the dealers have the same price, too!  So, if you want one, you have to
pay that amount.  By the way, $20K here buys a higher mileage 91 or a lower
mileage 90...

Have fun....
Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari (now running AND not leaking)
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: LR @ the Movies
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 9:01:33 GMT

> Pierce Reid said >>FYI, it appears that all the (Tom) Clancy Movies feature 
> Land Rovers "somewhere" in them.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> 110 shot with a wide-angle lens....but it looked awfully long.
> Gerry 72 88
Are you sure it wasnt a 130?They *are* awfully long.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 03:13:49 -0700
From: Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com>
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:16:01 +0001 (GMT)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

As the American in Britain, I need too edit this:

On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Steve Firth wrote:

> ChipEast@aol.com writes:
> > Q:  Why do the Brits drink warm beer?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> 1) Our beer is not served warm, it is served cool. The problem is that
>    in the US beer is served far too cold for its own good. I can only guess

No, American beers like Bud/Miller Lite/ad nauseum... are served cold 
_for their own good_.  Not too cold for their own good. Anyone who has 
had any amount of warm American beer (those impatient university days...) 
knows this... the cold supresses the unpleasant flavor.  By the same 
token, there are a growing number of fine American beers that should not 
be over chilled...

> 2) What gives with the Lucas stuff? I find no problem with the Lucas parts
>    on any of my vehicles. I *do* find that the French (Ducellier) parts
>    are prone to breakdown.
none

I don't think there was anything electrical on our Peugeot that didn't go 
wrong... but the same could be said for my 109... until I began re-wiring 
with good copper wire, RS toggle switches, and Bosch relays. ;-)

> Could it be (perchance) that the majority of vehicles of which we speak
> are pre-'67 abused and subsequently restored examples? I think the way

Mine's a 1970, one year younger than myself, and my electrics are still 
working pretty well. ;-)

Charlie

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:14:01 GMT+0200
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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:07:41 -0500
Subject: N. Cal. LWB for sale

I'm posting this for a non-net rover owner who is offering the following for
sale... please respond to him directly.... Herman Whittington
at 209/768-3162.

'62 LWB w/ pickup cab.
2.25 petrol, approx. 122,000 miles.
Appears to be original, complete,with decent chassis.
Call to discuss price.

Regards, Eric.

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Date: 28 Feb 95 08:55:56 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Jeeps in snow

<< Mark Writes

<<  "I guess my Jeep is crap in the snow, it's certainly not as good as your
Range Rover". I << agreed and said goodbye. 

Jeeps have open differentials, which means only one wheel on each drive axle
really works at a time in slippery conditions.  Not only IMHO, is it less than
satisfactory, it can be downright dangerous.  Late model CJ's and YJ's are so
bad in the snow that I would not even drive one unless it had Limited Slip Diffs
installed.  They will spin out for no reason at all.

The "basic" 4wd option on the Cherokees is no better.  You have to get the
Command-Trak or something like that (full-time 4wd option) to get a decent
system in the Jeep.

Range Rovers and Defenders have full-time 4wd systems that put power to the
wheels all the time and adapt the power output to the right wheels for the
conditions.  Best system in the world!

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: 28 Feb 95 09:38:50 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Comfi seats in a 109

TeriAnn suggested

> Well,you could purchase a set of Defender 90 seats & put them into your LR.

Makes a world of difference, did that with my 109. Takes a minimal amount
of drilling & bolting to make them fit. However, I canibalized them from a
totalled Defender (scavenging as usual...). Wouldn't order them new, they're
senselessly expensive... don't even ask.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 28 Feb 95 09:39:59 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Axle Straps

 ... snip ...
>... snip ... as they restrict suspension travel, as for the talk of bent prop
> shafts, I have never seen one, and my sisters 88" has more suspension
> travel than a 110" through extended shakels and very tired leaf springs!

Right you are, mate, and that's precisely what they're supposed to do -
restrict (downward) suspension travel. And it's *because* she has very
tired leaf springs that your sis doesn't have a problem without her, er,
straps. Take the case where someone has new, very strong HD springs fitted -
downward movement on full articulation (or when 'lifting off') will ultimately
be stopped by the axle slamming into the fully extended shocks which will
take that sort of treatment only that long before they rip off. When they do
and the axle lowers itself even further, next thing that is in danger of
ripping is the brake hose - very bad. In addition, with a *long* wheel base,
there's a real possibility that the rear propshaft will slip out of its
joint or eat into the frame where it passes through the hole (someone else
already pointed this out). All this is of course irrelevant as long as you
only travel on-road or 'moderate' off-road. Still, the straps *should be
there*, I definitely wouldn't consider them an 'optional item'. To go even
a step further, I'm in fact seriously considering to retro-fit my raised
RR with similiar straps for precisely the reasons mentioned...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 28 Feb 95 09:39:22 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Questions

Robert Kerner wants a raise...

> ... snip ...  The Toyota had the rear springs mounted above the
> axels, and the u-bolts facing up.  THis didn't change any of the suspensions
  ... snip ...
> realize this would raise the center of gravity, but does this sound like a
> crazy idea and would it cause other problems???  It would also then allow me

You can't do that with Land Rover axles, the axle & springs are "made to fit"
exactly as they are, they'd move all over the place and the U-bolts would
snap if you did the other job. You have to raise it via the spring mounts
and shackles (raises the chassis) plus larger tires if you want more diff
clearance, giving due consideration to shocks, break hoses and prop shafts
that might have to be adjusted to the new geometry.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Jeeps in snow
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 14:59:57 GMT

Pierce Reid:

> Range Rovers and Defenders have full-time 4wd systems that put power to the
> wheels all the time and adapt the power output to the right wheels for the
> conditions.  Best system in the world!

There's more to this I believe.  It all depends on whether you're
talking about the full time LR products with a viscous locking centre
diff or not.  If you are then I think I know what you're saying above,
but there's no intelligence involved in picking the right wheels for
the power.

In the viscous diff case you essentially have two axle drive in slippy
conditions.  This is the same as 4wd in the series case and diff lock
in the older RR etc.  I find this a very predictable system in snow and
mud.  However driving an LR full time 4wd without diff lock is another
matter: In snow the power will 'hunt around' all four wheels and is
actually quite unnerving. If eg the front wheels momentarily spin but
then find traction, the rears can then break lose and the process can
repeat.  A litle difficult to explain, very easy to see when it's
happening.  Of course you're supposed to lock the diff when this
starts to happen.  This ensures that both axles must spin a wheel
simultaneously for all traction to be lost.

BTW, if anyone still thinks they have 4wd with an open centre diff then
just jack up _one_ wheel and try to drive off....

Best Regards,
Steve.  '79RR (manual diff lock)

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:00:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Misc

On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Kelly Minnick wrote:

 > First off, has anyone had problems getting their packages from UK out 
 > of the hands of Federal Express?  

	Nope.  Everything destined here comes via FedEx, regular post,
	ship, basically anyway except UPS.  UPS are terrible when you
	wish to bring stuff into Canada.  To be avoided...

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From: "DOUG SACKINGER" <DOUG@KIWI.IUPUI.EDU>
Date:          Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:39:22 EST
Subject:       More questions than anwers

 mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) writes

snip--------------------------------------------------------
Spent 42 days in the garage		9-5
Bought SIII (Red Vinalhaven Rover)   	$600
Bought SIII (Blue Nantucket Rover)	$300 
Sold about $1400 in parts from the two. 
Bought $680 worth of parts from England with shipping.
Spent $450 on welding the floor and chassis leg, crossmember and outrigger.
snip -------------------
Are parts SIII's really that inexpensive ? I guess I only see 
nationally advertised vehicles in running condition.  Is this pricing 
characteristic of the northeast ?  Any higher for IIa ?

Also, additional questions  ( and don't you love newbie Q's ?)

Are there any hard numbers from vehicle registrations/insurance 
companies/some industry org. as to the actual numbers of Series LRs 
still being operated as compared with numbers imported ? Geographical 
distribution  by state/province in North America ? ( Sorry but 
geography is my bread and butter, I couldn't help but ask)

Is it possible to travel to UK, buy a new US - spec D90 there and get 
any kind of a price break ?  Used to be Mercedes and other european 
makes would offer special programs, I think to avoid import duty as 
they were personal vehicles. What about used overseas vehicles, I 
notice some professional importers - is it difficult - can of worms - 
not even worth it ?

If one purchases a non-operational LR at some distance from home, 
would it be best to trailer, tow, or ship said vehicle?  

Are all LR clutches hydraulic ? Or just SIII ?  I hadn't realised this from the 
literature.  Is this any kind of problem ?  Expensive/difficult to 
fix ?  Prone to failure?  It leaks, of course ? 

The Porter book claims problems with 6-cyl aluminum heads failing.  
>From what I see on this list, 6-cyl can over-stress the 
transmissions, both IIa and III.  Can the 4-cyl possibly pull a 109" 
and a trailer ?, up a hill ?, at 90kph/55mph ?  

Oh yes, is there a LR screen saver?  I had a colleague download some 
gifs/jpegs - good for wallpaper and slide shows.  Is there anything 
like a SIIa rovering across terrain, wheels turning, dripping fluids 
etc.....?

Enough questions I guess, thanks for listening and thanks for 
information.  I'm really enjoying this list.

Doug Sackinger  
just a digester in
India - no - place

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:44:02 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Disco US Prices

For those interested:

Reference - Automobile Invoice Services - New car cost guide, issue 3 (1995)

Land Rover Discovery, 1995

                    Invoice      Retail
Base Vehicle        $26,294      $29350
Rear Air            $735         $835
Emissions-CA        $100         $100
Black Paint         $250         $300
Power Roofs         $1386        $1650
Lthr. Seats         $1050        $1250
Rr. Clth Jump Seats $735         $875
Auto Trans          $966         $1150
Destination Chgs.   $625         $625

Draw your own conclusions.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wrdmail.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: Misc
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 08:15:34 -0800 (PST)

> I have some misc. ramblings here...
none

> First off, has anyone had problems getting their packages from UK out of the 
> hands of Federal Express?  They have held up my order for over a week 'cause
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> cylinders and repair kits and never had a problem!  They must know my motor is
> running and I want to finish this restoration!

Hi Kelly,

I'm not sure why FEDEX isn't delivering your package.  Does it have to do 
with the contents?  They don't like delivering brake parts?  

In my experience, they are real difficult about leaving a package at the
door if you are not home, and they don't care at all about the
consequences.  I had frozen fish shipped from Alaska, we were out when it
came, and they drove around with it all day in a hot truck.  I had to go
the next day and pick it up at their office in Sacto, completely thawed. 
Bummer.  I now have all such packages shipped to my office address.  UPS,
on the other hand, drops stuff at the door.  I will always specify UPS
when I have the option (Dixon's experience with their Canadian operations
not withstanding). 

Regards,

Walt Swain

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:15:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Radio's, CB's and C.D in Land Ro

Mike L writes;
>As to CB.. If you have a real small set, you could mount it somewhere on the
>dash tray.. I have a older CB, pretty big one and I mounted it below the
>dash, dead center, flush against the sloping part of the bottom of the
>dashboard. Doesn't interfere with the gearshift at all.
none

Mike I mounted my CB on a shelf that I made, which extends from the lip
of the top where it mounts to the windscreen. There is enough overhead
room in my pickup cab that I was able to mount the CB on a bracket above
the shelf. Works and looks pretty slick.
I have thoughts of extending the shelf the whole way across the cab so I
have a little more room to store things.
Later
Jon 
 

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:39:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DBrown

David Brown, you may want to call this person.

>From: Siewruk@ix.netcom.com (Michael Siewruk)
>Subject: Re: WANTED - Used Land Rover
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>CIS: 71333,2735
>Inet: Siewruk@ix.netcom.com
 

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 08:56:13 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Leg Room

In message <Pine.3.89.9502272028.A10360-0100000@cloy.oswego.edu> Steven M Denis 
writes:
> The legroom is greater in the 109. while it is true that the 88 and the 
> 109 are the same from the back of the seatbox forward, 
none

Forgive me but I still don't get it.  The seat fits on the seat box.  The 
passanger & middle seat are in fixed posistions on the seat box.  The driver's 
seat is on adjustable rails which stop seat travel at the back of the seat box. 
Given that the spacing from the back of the seat box forward is the same on a 
109 & 88, and the seat fits on the seat box, and the driver sits on the seat,

How does more space behind the seat translate into more leg room????

You can remove the seat back stops on a 109 two door, allowing the back of the 
seat to lean back more giving you a more reclined seating position, but the seat
bottom is still only going to go back the same amount on both models and your 
hips will be in the same location relative to the pedals.

the bulkhead/seat 
> bar(sw models) dimensions are *not* the same...in a 109 2 dr the fuel 
> filler neck on the tank is in the cab, forward of the bulkhead, in the 88 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> bulkhead a good 3 inches further back...the seat back rests on extentions 
> but is *still* further away from the firewall..

The top of the seat back can rest farther back, but the bottom of the back and 
the bottom cushen is located in the same location on the 88 & 109.

There is/ can be more space from the top of the seat back to the steering wheel.
This gives more space between your torso and the steering wheel, and windscreen,
BUT your hips are still in the same location 88 or 109.

 another proof of the 
> added distance is the 88 requires a spacer plate at the bulkhead to 
> accept the truck cab...on the 109 the rear of the cab sits on the top of 
> the bulkhead..

I will be happy to admit that there is more car behind the seat box of a 109 
than behind the seat box on a 88. but I still do not understand how this 
translates to more leg space between the pedals and the bottom of the seat back 
which is in the same location on an 88 & 109.

..I own both...the 109 has more leg room...at 6'4" and 220 
> the "little" 88 is just enough smaller to feel like a "clown car"...
> the biggest improvement I have found for leg room on a 109 is to fit the 
> windscreen and roof from a 110..you can then use a higher seat and still 
> see out the top of the screen...

Granted, sitting higher does increase the distance between the hips and the 
pedals.

> steve.....
> "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> "        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
> "        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: C Taylor Sutherland III <taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Subject: 2.25L 4-cyl questions.
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:09:11 -0500 (EST)

In regards to the 2.25L 4-cyl they put in III's.  What is the
performance, availability difference between the early 3 bearing and
the later 5 bearing engines?

I have heard that the 3 are stronger and the 5 are more powerful, but
that's all I have heard.  Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks y'all.

Taylor

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:29:05 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess)
Subject: rover life

previously,
>Taylor, the best way to learn about rovers is to just get one.

I completely agree.  Almost 5 years ago I bought a Sunbeam Tiger without
ever driving one.  At that time, a big deal for me was changing
transmission and tranfer case oil on my Jeep (bought new, no problems ever,
sold awhile ago). I have now rebuilt the tiger hydraulics and pulled the
engine a couple years ago (and put it back in and am still driving the
car!!!!!)

I just bought a rover without ever driving one and drove it home from maine
(it rhd no less).  As TeriAnn says, people who buy rovers either sell them
very soon or keep them forever.  Of course, she also says people who buy
rovers are Insane? crazy?  (what word did you use?)  and that I have
answered that question with an exclamation point.  Oh well, I'm happy, like
Uncle rogers sig file says, "there is pleasure pure in being mad that none
but madmen know."

Now a question:  what is the nature of floor mats that came in 109 sw's?
My dormobile has thin (3mm?) rubber mats in the footwell of the rear seat
area and down the middle of the rear area between the stove and the closet
in the rear. Are these the standard type that came in station wagons?  I am
interested in putting in something thicker, for sound deadening (please no
flames, I don't want absolute silence, but a reduction would be a good
thing).  Capital Rubber (in sac) has plain rubber in any thickeness I could
want as well as other mats, one is 1/8" with diamond plate pattern, one is
3/8" very dense rubber foam, one is like carpet with polyester threads and
thick rubber backing.  Prices range from $4/sq. foot for the 1/4" rubber to
$10 per linear foot (36 inch wide) for the carpet stuff. Any words of
wisdom?

TIA,

John Hess, Land-
              -Rover Dormobile, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda GLC owner.
jfhess@ucdavis.edu

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 09:28:27 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: 2.25L 4-cyl questions.

In message <199502281709.MAA21529@hubcap.clemson.edu> C Taylor Sutherland III 
writes:
> In regards to the 2.25L 4-cyl they put in III's.  What is the
> performance, availability difference between the early 3 bearing and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Thanks y'all.
> Taylor

I don't think Land Rovers with 5 bearing engines were officialy imported into 
the US.  I believe they were made after 1974.  You do seem to be able to 
purchase 5 bearing engines to replace your original 3 bearing engine with 
though.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: Range Rover 4.0S
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 10:49:00 PST

JPappa (Roverheadus geekoid salesmutatum):
I appreciate getting the timely information on the new products, Thanks. 
 But you didn't mention the 4.6 V-8.  Is it going to be available in North 
America?  What's the story?  Tell us more. (But please drop the endless 
barrage of Car Sales drivel and rationalizations.  I already know what cars 
I am interested in  buying and how much I'd be willing to spend.  I hope I'm 
not alone in preferring that this forum be free of marketing.  Thanks.)

Gerry 72 88

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:49:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: 2.25L 4-cyl questions.

On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, C Taylor Sutherland III wrote:

> In regards to the 2.25L 4-cyl they put in III's.  What is the
> performance, availability difference between the early 3 bearing and
> the later 5 bearing engines?

	Taylor, in a time of rising awareness about pollution and all
	that shit, the various governments are slowly beginning to get
	their act together (unfortunately) about emission controls.  
	Part of this process involves them determining what engine 
	should or should not be in the vehicle.  Granted the 5 bearing
	might be less polluting, but they won't believe that & if you
	happen to have a 5 bearing in your vehicle & they notice this,
	they will be unhappy with you.  Stick to something stock and forget
	this wee game of mixing and matching parts from across the decades.
	You want a pre-1968 vehicle (To be able to get it into the USA, 
	assuming you don't buy locally).  All you have to do now is decide
	whether you want a 109 or an 88.  Decide that and then go out
	and buy one.

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Subject: Re: Jeeps in snow 
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:39:06 -0800
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Pierce writes;

>Jeeps have open differentials, which means only one wheel on each drive axle
>really works at a time in slippery conditions.  Not only IMHO, is it less than
>satisfactory, it can be downright dangerous.
  
and then writes

>Range Rovers and Defenders have full-time 4wd systems that put power to the
>wheels all the time and adapt the power output to the right wheels for the
>conditions.  Best system in the world!

Fraid I'm going to have to call bullsh-t on this one. ALL Land Rover products
have OPEN diffs front and rear. The exception being someone who has put a locking
diff such as an ARB or Maxi-Drive unit. The center diff IS lockable in the Disco,
early Range Rovers, and all the Series vehicles have a "locked" center. Actually
the Series folk don't have an option, if it's in 4wd, there is NO center diff. The
later <89 Range Rovers are equipped with a viscous coupling on the center, which 
acts as a limited slip type device. In short, Rover 4wd systems aren't much different
than Jeeps, only one wheel on each axle is getting drive in slippery conditions.
And in fact, with the positraction option on the Jeeps, Rover is actually down one on
the 4wd feature scorecard.
	Now as to what accounts for the Jeep Cherokee spinning out, I would venture
to guess that it was driver error, and not neccessarily the fault of the Jeep 4wd
system.
								Mike Fredette
								D90
								90 Range Rover

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: Why a L-R
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 11:43:00 PST

Taylor:

Given that you've been such a good sport and have taken your ribbing so 
nicely I'd like to offer a little advice.  If you have never had experience 
with British cars; you may be looking at this purchase inappropriately. 
 I've noted that many (most?) LROs have substantial experience with MGs, 
Minis, Triumphs, Nortons, Austin Healeys, Jaguars, Cortinas, Sunbeams, etc. 
 I'd wager that most came to Land Rovers from that route rather than from 
other 4X4s.  I think the genesis of LR ownership has less to do with 4X4 
experience and more to do with being slightly peculiar in general.  I can't 
imagine a LRO chucking all the mechanical challenges/adventures and buying 
the mother-in-law's 2 year-old Explorer for $2K to use as the only mode of 
transport.  Backup? Maybe.  For the spouse?  Certainly.  But not at the 
expense of giving up the L-R.

Pragmatic questions about the transmissions (Series III all synchro has 
never caused me any probs, ditto 2 SIIa's, heck the tranny is probably the 
least trouble-some piece!) are not ill-advised, they just sorta indicate a 
thought process very few (if any) of us went through when courting our first 
L-Rs.  Tires, roofs, seats, all of it, L-Rs are sort of a mobile 
hobby/project car that's never quite done.  It's a relationship, not a mode 
of transportation.

My first one changed my life...literally.  I had been a sport car fanatic. 
 T-series MGs (lots of 'em) Mini's, Cortinas, etc.  But my beloved cars kept 
suffering in the parking lot Grand Prix when the  Battle-Star Pontiac would 
park nearby and the occupant would open the "pod-bay door".  All 7 feet of 
it.  The damn thing would get away from the 96 lb. granny at the helm and 
cave in my door.  Or Bubba in his 3/4 ton pickup (with camper) would employ 
the tried and true Braille method for parallel parking; 
 crunch....bump...."okay Maw,  Ah'm in."  Initially the L-R was at least 
partly self-defense.  It stood hood and fenders above the crowd and was 
impervious to those parking-lot shunts. Even better others mostly stayed 
away from it.  With those concerns behind me, soon I was going on 
adventures... everywhere... even beyond the edge of the pavement.  A few 
years later, I learned that there are actually places L-Rs cannot go (well 
 two or three anyway)...in the meantime, my other interests began dictating 
the L-R's itinerary.....I was out seeing birds, traversing old abandoned 
railroad right-of-ways, looking at trees, landscape and wilderness that I 
could not have even approached in a sports machine...and I could still take 
the top off every Easter, play roadster all summer and put it back on just 
after Labor day.

Here's a rework of something I posted a few weeks ago to another curiosity 
victim:

Sorry Taylor...but L-Rs are more of an affliction than a rational choice. 
 You lay out the money cause you find you just can't live without one.  It 
happened to me >25 years ago and clearly this debilitation has effected my 
economic status and personal sense of well-being.  Over the years I've 
dumped alot(!) of $ into the various beasts I've owned, keeping them well. 
And I've never felt as secure in the middle of nowhere as I do in my 88". 
 As Dick O'Kane, a writer, said a few decades ago: "When you're in a Land 
Rover you sort of get the feeling that if they dropped the big one; it would 
only blister the paint a little."  So I guess I'm saying...if you need a 
logical justification to get one, then you just don't want one enough.

I have had a relationship (former lady friend) with an Isuzu, it was an '86 
Trooper.  Fine vehicle, reliable, quiet, fairly tough, practical, clean 
lines, comfortable.  And it would go 95% of the places I might go (off-road) 
in the Land Rover...but NO charisma, charm or personality.  And when it went 
away (with the ex-lady friend) it was not a loss.  Similarly, (new) wife has 
a 92 Mitsubishi Montero...leather seats, V6, ABS, sunroof, air-locking rear 
diff, traction control, etc. and it's a really nice car to drive the 1.2K 
miles to Moab....but once I'm there I want my L-R.

All my L-Rs have been totally stock (this is not a slam to any conversions) 
cause I never found a need to change anything.  And, here's the big one for 
me: in about a half million miles of LandRoving (in Iceland, Moab, Canada 
and just about everywhere else west of the Rockies)....I've NEVER had to 
walk home!

Good luck with your choice.

Gerry 72 88

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:32:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: 2.25L 4-cyl questions.

On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, C Taylor Sutherland III wrote:

> I have heard that the 3 are stronger and the 5 are more powerful, but
> that's all I have heard. *** Any comments would be appreciated.***
Taylor, as the wise old man once said..."shit or get off the pot!!"
You said "any comments would be appreciated"......so here are some thoughts.
Don't be such a snivler. Go read some books, educate yourself and make a 
choice.  This is not rocket science.  If you want a Rover go buy one... 
I had no Rover experience what so ever when I  drove from Pittsburgh to 
Norfolk Va. to buy mine and drive it back home.  You're at Clemson....the 
sunny south, the land without roadsalt.  The place should be ripe with 
older Rovers without the dreaded frame cancer.  Go look at a few and buy one.

Cheers
Russ

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 11:54:12 PST
From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot)
Subject: Re: SIII Red Stop/Brake lens

All, 

Anyone out there have a spare early SIII Red Stop/Brake lens for sale ?????

Mark

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Subject: Re: Misc 
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:59:17 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Kelly Minnick wrote:

> 2.  The folks at Turner say the single Barrel Weber's run too lean.  Is this
> true?  I have a rebuilt Zenith (new throttle bushings!). should I use this?  
> I could jet the Weber richer if we know what jet to use!

	When I got my smog check done, I was running a little rich.

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications International Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Subject: Re: Radio's, CB's and C.D in Land Ro 
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:56:40 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Mike Loiodice wrote:

> As to CB.. If you have a real small set, you could mount it somewhere on the
> dash tray.. I have a older CB, pretty big one and I mounted it below the
> dash, dead center, flush against the sloping part of the bottom of the
> dashboard. Doesn't interfere with the gearshift at all. 

	This is where I have my CB mounted.  I have my stereo mounted right
next to it.  Both are mounted such that I all the leads are on quick connects
and 2 (for the CB) or 3 (for the stereo) screws are all that his needed to 
remove them.  (I take the stereo out when I'm in really dusty conditions).  
This way, if I am going to be in danger of deep wading, I can easily remove
them.

	I had though of mounting both the stereo and CB up high on the hard
top, but I tend to take the top off and still want to use the CB and stereo.

	I mounted the speakers in the back upper courners in the hardtop
where they are out of sight and out of the sun.  (Also on quick connnects
for ease of removing the top and two bolts each to remove them)

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications International Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:57:24 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: LRO, again....

Robin writes:
>Is it in the march 95 issue of LRO?

*March?!?*  Arrgghh!  I just got February!!!

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Rust Proofing/elusive 110's
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 13:49:00 EST

The stuff called LPS.
LPS 3 heavy duty rust inhibitor is a waxy long term corrosion inhibitor. It 
is supplied, manufactured by LPS Laboratories Tucker Georgia tel (404) 
934-7800. I have used this product for years and been very satisfied and 
corrosion free. It really hangs on. Unfortunately it also hangs onto any 
passing dust particles and since it doesn't  dry, it keeps doing this until 
the treated area resembles the Tar Sands. An annual steam clean solves this 
problem. Great for protecting chips on your steel mobile until you can get 
to the paint can. (Non silicone so it washes off with good soap)

Those elusive Land Rovers
Maybe they exist, maybe they don't. The supposed agent has been deluged by 
LR wanabees and those with opinions on why they should shouldn't be selling 
them. Information is supposed to be on its way regarding the terms, 
specifications etc. They are not EPA/DOT appoved and must be exported. 
Please leave them (the agents) alone unless you seriously want to buy a 
large consignment. As we all know most members of the list have the odd 
million to spare for these frivolities.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Axle retainer straps
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 13:54:00 EST

A good substitute for the gen. part are industrial safety belts. These are a 
nylon/leather combination. Cut to length and mount with the leather side 
towards the axle. Per other cautions, they are necessary to limit travel and 
excessive articulation off road. You can bent important bits without then. 
The utilitarian nature of our pets means that if a part is there then its 
fairly certain that it is necessary either functionally or legally.

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Date: 28 Feb 95 15:10:20 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Jeep 4wd

I've been corrected (rightly so) by a couple of folks on the RR/LR 4wd system.

Please disregard my comments... 

Also, I was not aware the older Range Rovers had a different 4wd system than the
new ones. Interesting. 

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:20:44 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Brabyn Notoriety

So, John,

Not satisfied with the notoriety you have received in AW, you got youself 
(actually your Rover--you were most modestly absent from the foto) into 
"Readers' Rigs" in Four-Wheeler.  Most appropriate that it was the issue 
with the test of the new Range Rover.  Congrats!  Definitely a leg up.

In the Range Rover article there was a little sidebar about Ramp Travel 
Index.  Clearly, all the Rovers stand alone at the top.  Only the TLC and 
Is-you-Sue? Trooper had any aspirations to that realm.  I was surprised that 
the Trooper did as well as it did and that the Jeep GC did as poorly as it did. 

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 13:18:16 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Discovery...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Discovery...
Hank,

I own a '94 (currently for sale) Mine is black, automatic, dual
sunroofs, rear air cond, leather, 7 seats, rino bar, tint, etc... As you
stated, offroad is a given. I've been out with friends, and ended up
pulling his trooper out after getting stuck in loose river stones and
shallow water. Not really sure what to tell you to watch out for, it's
just one fine vehicle! Road worthiness is probably better than the
others you mentioned, full time 4wd is "safer" in ice/snow/etc... the
Explorer may ride a little better, but would you really want to take
either a Blazer or Explorer through anything remotely resembling tough?
And, how long do you expect them to last? There really IS no comparison!

Check out the latest "Automobile" magazine. I just HAD to get it after
scanning the comparisons of several SUV's (Explorer and Blazer included)
where they basically said they were NOT AT ALL off-road worthy, and
called them "station wagons with hiking boots". The Disco and Range
Rover were raved about. Also, 4-Wheeler magazine rated Disco their 4WD
of the year. In my opinion, the new Range Rover is going to sweep the
competition (if you can call that competition) off their feet... er...
"hiking boots!" Also has a price comparison, and I was surprised to find
that the Trooper and Montero were MORE than the Disco after you load
them all up with options. But then the Disco doesn't offer a Kleenix
dispenser. Hmmmmm.... tough choice! ;-)

I think your wife will like the Disco after seeing one. The dual
temperature controls alone are so radically different and functional
that who could turn that down! How many husbands and their wives
actually are comfortable at the same temperatures?

Add-on's are much cheaper at places like ARB or rovers north or.... The
dealer will "rape" you. (Sorry, great guys, and service, but expensive.)
I don't think you'll find the steel wheels available. It's just not an
option on the US spec. vehicles. Also, the only other SUV that even
offers a rear air conditioner is the Chevy Suburban. I like having it, of
course, I live in Arizona where summers get over 120 degrees! (So why
did I get a black truck with dual sunroofs you ask? It's a long
story...)

Good luck with your decision, let me know if I can help any further.

P.S. I saw part of the "OP Center" movie too. First glimpse of a LR from
the inside looking through the windscreen, and I blurted out to my son,
"It's a Land Rover!" Fun!

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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From: C Taylor Sutherland III <taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Subject: Sins of the net...
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:26:03 -0500 (EST)

For the LAST time!  I don't see the sin, that some of you see, in
asking questions about land rovers before buying them!  Some of you
will back me up on this, I think.  True, the best way to learn about a
car/truck is just to buy it and own it.  Yes, I would learn a hell of
a lot about it.  But what I DON'T want to learn about something after
I buy it, is that I don't like it.  THEREFORE!  I ask questions to
make sure I am making the right decision!  SHEESH!  I ask about all
the different modifications because, if I choose, I can get get them.
If I didn't ask as many questions as I do, I would have gotten [name
deleted] to build me a Series I with the dash of a Defender 90, coil
springs, a 3.9L V8, a 20 gal gas tank, air conditioning and a a
stereo.  CLEARLY, THIS would be stupid and the mark of someone
uneducated.  Therefore, I say again, I try to educate myself in the
best way I know how so as to make an EDUCATED guess as to what to get
and what to expect.

The only stupid question is the one that was never asked.

Taylor

Now I have to go break something...maybe my Blazer!
Sorry, I just finished some math methods homework and a message I just
received about being to whiny was the last straw!

OK...I'm calm now.

So what is the best way to install coil springs on a Series I?
****KIDDING!!!!!!!!******

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:37:21 -0500
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Dash Lites

Anybody got any cross reference numbers for those little pesky light bulbs
in the dash on the IIA. I'm talking about the cold start, oil pressure,
high beam, and alternator lights. Can I pick those up at any auto parts
store or must I go to Rovers North?

Chris Stevens                           1969 SRIIA 88" SW
BCG Corporate Communications
Towson, Maryland, USA
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
chrisste@Clark.net

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:48:09 -0500
Subject: Re: rover life

I bought a rubber pickup bed-liner and cut it to fit.  This is impossibly
tough stuff, made like a corded auto tire.  It looks like checkered (or
diamond) industrial steel plate, and is about as easy to cut.  The original
floor mats in a LR were black, rather thin courdorouy textured mats.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 12:53:07 -0800
Subject: re: Jeeps are Crap in the snow....
From: Larry_Soo@mindlink.bc.ca (Larry Soo)

Mark Talbot writes:

> I have to share this with you all.
> [Story about how a Grand Cherokee crashed in the snow while attempting
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> to keep up with Mark's Range Rover.  Then the Jeep driver remarked how
> his GC wasn't as good in the snow as the RR.]

First off, I'll come clean and admit that I own a '91 Wrangler [gasp!].
I've also owned an '88 Cherokee, '84 Toyota 4x4 pickup, and a '78
LandCruiser.  I've also driven full-size Blazers and Suburbans
extensively.  What I've come to learn about driving in the snow (we used
to get tons of the stuff in the BC interior where I grew up) is that
it's more the driver, not the vehicle which makes a difference.  IMHO, any
driver than wipes out in the snow while attempting to pass generally
doesn't know their vehicle's limits or strengths very well.  The GC driver
you met probably falls into that category of SUV owners who roost in the
ditches whenever snow hits the ground because they think their shiny new
toy will allow them to perform superhuman driving feats.  In fact, it kinda
sounds that way since he was blaming the accident on his vehicle rather
than himself.

I also subscribe to the Offroad Mailing List and this kind of "my truck
is better than your truck" stuff flared-up recently, although in your
case, it's  more like, "our truck is better than their truck."  Anyhow,
I know this is a LR list so people should be extolling the virtues of
these vehicles, but at least present more tangible arguments (ie:
aluminum frames, xfer case gearing, etc).

I guess I should also introduce myself (so you folks can flame me on a
more intimdate basis <g>):

I'm a VB programmer with the Ministry of Health in beautiful Vancouver,
BC.  I've been four-wheeling since I was a teen-ager although there was
a period of almost 10 years when I didn't except for the occasional
winter rally (Monte Carlo timing) in my Cherokee and hunting during the
fall.  Since getting my Wrangler/YJ last year, I've lifted it, put on
31" tires and installed a Lockrite locker in the back.  My friends and I
(mostly close-to-stock 4x4 pickups) do a lot of exploring in the
southwestern corner of BC.

Sidenote:
    During one winter rally, we had a particularly heavy snowfall which
    caused everyone to have problems maintaining their target time. In
    fact, the rally became a race.  In one section, I overtook a number
    of competitors, including a new Toyota 4Runner. At the next staging
    area, he asked me if I had Quadratrac and I said "no, I've got
    part-time fourwheel drive, just like your 4Runner." This guy thought
    for sure that my Jeep must've had some technological advantage to
    pass him as fast as I did in the snow and around the corner.  But
    the fact of the matter is, the more experience you have in the snow,
    the greater advantage you'll have over someone who has less.
    Personally, I think Mark Talbot didn't have problems whereas the GC
    driver did was because he was a smoother driver.  The GC driver
    probably spun out because he gave the V8 too much gas (assuming he
    had a V8).

Now, to be absolutely candid, the quality and perhaps reliability of the
Jeep products isn't to my liking but since the demise of SWB LRs and
particularly LandCruisers, there's not much choice in the way of short,
rugged, convertible 4x4s which is why I bought a YJ.

I have subscribed to this list to try to find out just how reliable LRs
are, which model would suit my needs, what things to watch out for (the
FAQ was helpful here, kudos to the authors), and sources for LR vehicles
and parts.  Ideally, I'd like to contact someone in the lower mainland
who is into fairly severe offroading so I can see how well a LR really
performs.

As for my "needs", they are:
    -   daily driver (approx 70Km per day).
    -   reasonable power for highway driving (this may be a problem,
        no?).
    -   parts availability (not too bad around Vancouver).
    -   good performance on climbing rutted, loose-rock hills and
        crawling over rocks (ala Rubicon).  We have something nearby
        called Clear Creek which is a pretty good trail for that kind
        of thing.
    -   bullet-proof drivetrain.
    -   easy to work on (LRs are probably the easiest from what I've
        read).
    -   adequate ground clearance for rock crawling, preferably 9-10"
        below the diffs.
    -   low gearing for those tricky descents.
    -   12V system.

I'm not planning on buying right away so I'd mostly be lurking here to
find out more about LRs.  I hope I haven't offended anyone (especially
Mark) by dismissing the inherent superiority of a Range Rover over a
Grand Cherokee in the snow.  It's just that I have a lot of hope for
this list because I know that LR owners, by and large, tend to be very
knowledgable about their vehicles and that's what I'm looking for.

...lars

------------------------------

From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Rapped knuckles & broken numberplate
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:24:43 +0000 (GMT)

I'm typing this very slowly, since at the weekend I got slapped on the
knuckles by a kicking crank handle; I must be losing my touch since this
is the first time its happened in years. The LR in question had a little
metal funnel widget over the crankshaft pulley dog to aid insertion of
the crank handle. I wonder if this was the reason; I may have
inadvertently used a left handed handle by mistake.
The other damage was to the numberplate on the 90. It is stuck on to the
bumper, but projects below it by about 1cm, and now has a couple of
chunks missing after a close encounter with a large rock.
I had been planning to move it (for weeks) to prevent
this from happening. Initially I thought of sticking it on a little
backplate on top of the bumper a la SIII. However, someone mentioned to
me the other day that the 2.5 Turbo-diesel is not happy when airflow
past the radiator is resricted by numberplates, big spotlights etc. Any
thoughts?
Cheers!
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(0475) 530581  Fax:(0475) 530601

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 13:54:22 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Sins of the net...

In message <199502282026.PAA07283@hubcap.clemson.edu> C Taylor Sutherland III 
writes:

> the different modifications because, if I choose, I can get get them.
> If I didn't ask as many questions as I do, I would have gotten [name
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> stereo.  CLEARLY, THIS would be stupid and the mark of someone
> uneducated. 

Except for the air conditioning ( I live in a fog belt on the coast), this 
sounds like it might be a fun rig.  A series I with updated suspension & a V8 
lighter than the original engine.  Might just be a kick at that.  

Hmm I guess that makes me uneducated.  Oh well

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:04:54 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Alternators

I posed this question several months ago, but didn't get any
response....Has anyone found a direct, drop-in replacement for the Lucas
family of alternators?  I'm currently running with the 18-ACR (out of a
Jag) that puts out about 45 amps...but (as Tim Allen puts it) I want MORE
POWER.  I found a Mitsubishi 90 amp alternator that *almost* worked...it
fits Nissan fork lifts and the bottom bolts were perfect - it was even
smaller than the Lucas unit.  The lobe for the belt tensioner arm was about
30 degrees out of place, though.  Rats.

Talked to Robert Davis just a few minutes ago...he continues to "tweak" his
'64 right hand drive Mercruiser/Rover pickup.  Last weekend, he swapped out
the 4.7 diffs for 3.9 Range Rover diffs.  And he worked out the
interference problem with the front prop shaft with a 1 1/4" unit (and yes,
it does have sliding splines).

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
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    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Axle Straps
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 9:25:38 EDT

>  ... snip ...
> >... snip ... as they restrict suspension travel, as for the talk of bent prop
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
> RR with similiar straps for precisely the reasons mentioned...
> Stefan
> <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

Every one I talk to in the Land Rover club of Victoria, says that if you 
have axle straps to take them off, as they restrict axle travel.  They 
say that the spring will run out of travel, before you start putting 
stress on the shock absorber, that is if you have the right sort of shock 
absorbers, ie. 110 shocks on the back of 109"s.  As for the Range Rover, 
the shock absorber is meant to be the restricting factor with suspension 
travel, so that the springs don't pop out.  As for my sister, she doesn't 
have axle straps, and that is the reason for her 88"s enourmous amount of 
suspension travel, I have a photo of her 88 parked in a washout, with the 
back wheel, full up in the guard, and the front wheel totally out of the 
guard, and it has 7.50 16"s on!!

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       No Hill to Steep!
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       No Ditch to Deep!

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 14:40:32 -0800
Subject: Newbie questions - was Jeeps are crap in snow
From: Larry_Soo@mindlink.bc.ca (Larry Soo)

I'm posting the reply to an e-mail I received from Dixon.  Since it
seemed fairly innocuous, I hope he doesn't mind some of the inclusions
from his original mail.  Thanks for the reply, Dixon.

Dixon Kenner writes:

>         I am also the editor of
>         the monthly Ottawa Valley Land Rovers newsletter, one of the two
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>         decade.  OVLR is the largest Land Rover club in Canada and has
>         an international membership.

What's the membership cost and what do I get by being a member?  Is
there something there which isn't available via the LRO list?

>         There are a cuple of OVLR members out that way, but they tend to
>         be far and few between.
>         Land Rover clubs in Canada that have been around for more than a

I met a guy two weeks ago who has a Lightweight LR.  Maybe I can go
offroading with him sometime.  Even though you have few members out
here, I do see quite a few LRs running around Vancouver.  I guess they
like to stick close to their parts supply because there's hardly any in
the smaller towns.  Perhaps its just the law of averages, hmm?  There
were two regularly maintained 88s in Princeton, where I grew up.  As far
as I know, one of the owners died and the other is still alive.  I
wanted to buy the 88 from the deceased's family but it was gone by the
time I found out.

>         Oh yeah, thanks for the complement.  I wrote the FAQ.  Many parts
>         are from the OVLR newsletter that have been published over the
>         years.
>         decade.  OVLR is the largest Land Rover club in Canada and has

How often do you publish the newsletter?

>         The 2.25l has reasonable power, the top end just isn't there.  An
>         overdrive will solve some of this problem.
>         years.

I'm talking about cruising around 110Km.  Is that unreasonable?  If it
is, I may end up considering a LandCruiser with a V8 swap.  If I lived
in Princeton, a 4-banger would be ok but down here, there's always an
hour or more of highway driving before getting to the trailhead.  And on
weekends, we usually drive around 3 hours on the highway each way.  This
includes going up & down the mountain passes.
Am I right in guessing that the weight of an 88 is around 3500lbs?

>         We tend to get a lot of stuff directly from England.  Cost is the
>         main reason.  Far cheaper over there...
>         years.

I assumed the freight would be a real killer.  So instead of buying from
a local supplier, most people just phone England?  Wow.  Any clues on
how to get an LR shipped to Canada?  What kind of regulatory hoops need
to be jumped?  For what I want, which LR would you suggest?  I'm not
familiar with the 90s and Countys.

> >     -   bullet-proof drivetrain.
>         Don't put a chevy 6 in, or boost the power by changing the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>         may break, but crystalisation within them from age is also a
> problem.

I've noticed this.  LR owners I've talked to often mention breaking
half-shafts.  I wasn't sure whether to attribute this to age or inherent
weakness.

> >     -   adequate ground clearance for rock crawling, preferably 9-10"
> >         below the diffs.
>         You should have 9.5" right now with a LR with good springs.
>         decade.  OVLR is the largest Land Rover club in Canada and has
none

With what size tires?  BTW, what's the final gear reduction of a Series
IIa or III in first-low?

BTW, with regards to my previous soap-box speech about the Grand
Cherokee in the snow story, I realized that my subsequent questions
about LandRover "performance" seemed hypocrytical.  By asking about
performance on hills, I was, in my own obtuse and convoluted way,
wondering how well the suspension allows the wheels to follow the
terrain.  Hmm...the more I write, the more it seems my foot goes deeper
and deeper.  Time to lurk.

...lars

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: 2.25L 4-cyl questions.
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 9:43:07 EDT

> In regards to the 2.25L 4-cyl they put in III's.  What is the
> performance, availability difference between the early 3 bearing and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Thanks y'all.
> Taylor

I believe that there is no disernable difference in power, but the 5 
bearing motors are stronger.  I'm not sure when the 5 bearing motors came 
out, but I think it was in the early 80's, maybe 83, when they released 
the 110".

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                 |  
Systems Administrator        | Ambition is a poor excuse for not having
CP Software                  | the sense to be lazy.
1st Floor                    |  
493 St Kilda Road            |           -- Charlie McCarthy   
Melbourne  VIC  3004         |         
mail: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au |

Note:  I do not take any responcibility for spelling mistakes.

flames > /dev/null

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:57:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Leg Room

OK, OK!! I'll go measure the 109 sw which is right outside then I'll go 
measure the 88's....
..the 109 PU is 75 miles away so we can forget that 
one...I'll delay this message and you can whistle while I'm 
gone.................................................. 
................................................
(sounds of a Land Rover driving off in the rain.....squeal of brakes, he's 
back..)
The 109 measures approx. 30 inches from the bottom of the 
seatback to the bottom edge of the dash....and the 88 measures .....wot 
the 'ell ?!?!?! 30 inches!!!!!!

I sit in the 88..Ummmph..tight fit...sit in the 109.. spacious....now wait 
.....w/o dimensioning this to death..(it's 5 miles each way to the 88's) 
I'll defer to lady...the *LEG* room of the two models is the 
same....*BUT*!!!I'm *Jammed* in the 88 with my knees up and the steering 
wheel in my gut....It *has* to be the backrest angle..... I *cannot* 
drive the 88 without my trick knee acting up...the 109 is uncomfortable 
but not so bad.....hmmmmmmmm......*I'LL* get to the bottom of this yet!....

volumetrically challenged rover owner steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Subject: Re: Alternators 
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:15:32 -0800
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Sandy asks:

>I posed this question several months ago, but didn't get any
>response....Has anyone found a direct, drop-in replacement for the Lucas
>family of alternators? 

	Doug Shipman is a big fan of using the Delco 64 amp internally
regulated alternators pt number 7127 or some such. It's a VERY tight fit
but it does fit. The mounting holes line up, as does the pully. I think the
adjuster arm needs a bit of massaging, but no big deal. I've seen these 
installations Doug does on some of his restorations and they really work well.
If you want more details give him a call at 503 252 5566.
							Rgds
							Mike Fredette
							Portland, Orygun

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:29:41 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: rover life

I have found that the rubber mats used on loading docks is great for Land 
Rovers.  It is about 1/2" thick and therefore a good sound deadener.  It 
is also very durable and can be taken out and washed when dirty.  It does 
not roll up mind you so when you take it out, it stays flat for 
cleaning.  Because it is so heavy, it makes a good mat if you get stuck. 
Dave VE4PN

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: RRpurchases
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 18:40:48 EST

To those requesting RR purchase tips-

Stephan Jacob (I think), fellow lrolister, recently submitted a
report that appeared in ROAV's (or maybe OVLR's) newsletter a
few months back.  It detailed the "what to look for and what
to look out fors" of RR purchasing.  Perhaps he could send
that on to the list (I don't recall ever seeing it except in
the newsletter <hint: join ROAV and OVLR, and any other LR
associated group you care to>).

I looked back into some files I once saved when contemplating
a RR purchase (I regained my senses).  Unfortunately, there is
not a complete discussion of the merits of '89 over '88
specifically.  If there were, I'd of sent it on.

rd/nige

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:49:42 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Leg Room

I think if you measure the dividing wall from the dash, the 109 is about 
6" farther back and therefore the seat angle is steeper.  This gives the 
impression that the cab is bigger.  The truck top needs a 6" spacer on 
the 88 to compensate for this difference.  The new Defender solved this 
by cutting out the centre wall and putting the roll bar back there.  We 
could do the same thing I think.  Dave VE4PN

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Click and Clack on the Disco
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 18:19:49 EST

> The local Public Radio station aired a Click and Clack tape this morning
> with a call from Mary in Vermont trying to decide between a Grand Cherokee
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Ultimately they did note that the Discovery actually has a very special
> character, as opposed to the bland personality of the Jeep (same as Ford
> Explorer, etc) and encouraged her to get the Discovery. 

CandC have come a long way.  About a year ago, they told some poor woman
to buy a Toyota for her trip across Africa, citing the lack of available
parts of older Land Rovers (her first choice).  I wonder how far she got.

> Then came the zinger;  while on the subject of getting a Land Rover
> serviced or repaired, one of them said it didn't matter, they fix them on
> the Internet!  Are these guys wired?  Probably just have good information
> sources, but it was fun. 

I suspect one of us got on their case bigtime, then clued them in.

rd/nigel

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap 110s? 
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 19:45:11 EST

> 3)the "CURRENTLY IN NORTH AMERICA" bunch that claimed to have "ALL VEHICLES ARE
>   BUILT TO MILITARY SPECIFICATIONS WITH CALIFORNIA EPA AND DOT APPROVAL, which 

As Robin (and others) have pointed out before, this statement DOES NOT mean
these vehicles are DOT/EPA approved!  Read it carefully, in legaleze....it
says they are built to SPECS that are EPA and DOT approved.

Buyer beware,
rd/nigel

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Axle Straps
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 19:55:43 EST

> Hi all,
>         All that I have been told about axle straps is, that if you are 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> shafts, I have never seen one, and my sisters 88" has more suspension 
> travel than a 110" through extended shakels and very tired leaf springs!

And I've been told the opposite.....remove them and in serious off road
situations you increase the risk of a rollover.  Their purpose is to 
limit body roll (by keeping the axles at some maximum distance from the
frame).

In the "resting state", the straps should hand just below the axle.  You
only limit your downward travel, and the springs themselves will probably
stop downward travel as soon or sooner than your straps will.

but who knows......my straps are off right now (but I've a new set to
install before the Bday party).

oops, did I say that?

rd/nigel

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Axle Straps
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:56:25 EDT

> > Hi all,
> >         All that I have been told about axle straps is, that if you are 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
> oops, did I say that?
> rd/nigel

The axle straps might be there to prevent body roll on a side slope, but 
most people will stop before they get anywhere near rolling, and remember 
that you have to get the thing onto about 45 degrees before it will roll 
any way, which is better than all of the other four wheel drives that I 
can think of, except the hummer, but I don't know about that, as I don't 
think you can get them out here.

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       No Hill to Steep!
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       No Ditch to Deep!

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:52:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Leg Room

The 110 sw has no divider bar and the seats are moved back quite a 
bit..there seems to be no reason why I can't push the seats back in the 
109 (no extra reinforcing in the 110) if I need the leg room.(I do..) 
cutting the bulkhead in an 88 looks to be a *PROJECT*.....BYW the 90's I 
was in (euro-spec) had plenty of leg room...much of the wheelbase seems 
to be in the rear tub and the bulhead *appears* to be like the 109 2 
dr..IE: back further......any input from the UK????

steve.....

and don't measure in metric..we Bazootieheads can't convert it!!!!
2.54......

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re:3.9i series I
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:56:08 +1030 (CST)

Taylor writes:

> If I didn't ask as many questions as I do, I would have gotten [name
> deleted] to build me a Series I with the dash of a Defender 90, coil
> springs, a 3.9L V8, a 20 gal gas tank, air conditioning and a a
> stereo.

Ohh Yeh get me one too.  When is the next RTV trial, let me at em.
80", 3.9V8 auto, discs, drool drool slobber pant lust :-)

> CLEARLY, THIS would be stupid and the mark of someone uneducated.

Why ??   Provided the g/box was from the same source as the 3.9i I would
suggest that this combination gives the best of many worlds.

Look in LRO magazine and see how many similar set ups are trialled.

> The only stupid question is the one that was never asked.
 
True.  But with Land-Rovers no one answer is correct, it all has to be
weighed up by the questioner.

Horses for courses so to speak.   

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 19:27:39 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Brabyn Notoriety

Many thanks Granville -- I haven't seen it yet, and am a bit surprised 
they used it!! All you LRO folks should write in too so we can get the
point across to the magazines that one brand of 4X4 doesn't need all those
lifts and decorative bolt-ons to get down the trail!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland, III)
Subject: Correction
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:33:42 

To all the people with Series I's outfitted like I said would be stupid...

You know what I mean.  I didn't mean to be specific.
My point may have been lost when I started screaming.  :)

Taylor

-- 
     One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
     One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
     In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie. 
<->                  C. Taylor Sutherland, III               <->
<->      IRC Nick:  NIV       <-> taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu <->

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 19:39:39 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Jeeps in snow

That's right Steve -- and I believe there is a Jeep system called
Quadratrac that is similar to the current RR one with a viscous
diff lock & full time 4wd; however the vast majority of Jeeps
use the part time Command Trac or Selectrac (the latter has a center
differential and can be used on pavement, but Command Trac doesn't
and can't). Most likely the Jeep in the story (which I think is a great
story anyway) was still in 2WD?? If it was in 4WD I expect the effects
would be different according to which of the Jeep options for 4WD
it had.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:44:01 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: UK LR training spots

Hullo to All!

I'm new to the group, so I'll provide a quick summary.  I drive a '94 
Defender 90 and have been for almost a year having decided to buy one 
more or less as soon as they became available over here (Berkeley, 
California)[I guess I just didn't have a respectable amount of debt at 
the time :)].  I don't have a vast knowledge of Land Rovers (yet) but 
have always longed to own one; which is the most fundamental reason 
after all!  I seem to have vague memories of being bitten by the bug 
around the age of 7 (Lewis Leakey/National Geographic films?).  However, 
despite a few close calls and the occasional turn behind the wheel of a 
SIII and D110, I never quite got my hand on a Series version.  But 
destiny being what it is I have now done my part (or the banks?)to 
contribute to the US foreign trade imbalance and undertaken a hopefully 
long term (20yr+?) plan of LR ownership.  [Of course, being a joint 
UK/Canadian citizen it does seem only right that I should be 
repatriating some US funds.]

But enough piffle.  I work as a geologist so I do a bit of four wheeling 
both professionally and recreationally; the D90 seems a rather excellent 
vehicle in addition to being a lot more fun than the pickups I was used 
to [even on the freeway with tire and softop noise].   Which brings me 
to my first question for anyone out there who can assist:

I'm planning a trip to the UK in October for a few weeks, and I'm 
considering visiting one of the off road centres for some LR/4x4 
instruction.  I have a large number of addresses and tel. numbers 
(mostly from the recent Land Rover World), but was wondering if anyone 
on the other side of the puddle could provide recommendations on sites 
before I start sifting through the long distance telephone calls.  I'd 
be looking for one that provides vehicles since I won't have one with me 
(BritRail and canal boats don't you know).  Ideally they'd have training 
available for myself and companion at the novice level in a D90 (Disco 
or Series as 2nd choice) preferably with winching instruction available 
and be reasonably accessible by train and bus (coach?).  While I'm on it 
does anyone know what one can expect to pay for a day's (or 2??) 
training and are there limitations placed on yanks (beware the land of 
the left hand lawyer)?  [I always thought the UK "solicitor" had more 
appropriate connotations.]

If you like please feel free to E-mail me direct.

Cheers,

Jeremy Bartlett
Berkeley, CA
jjbpears@ix.netcom.com

"Four Wheels Good - Two Wheels Bad"

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:10:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Radio's, CB's and C.D in Land Ro

Jon Humphrey sez...

> Mike L writes;
> >As to CB.. If you have a real small set, you could mount it somewhere on
none
............

And Jon replies
> Mike I mounted my CB on a shelf that I made, which extends from the lip
> of the top where it mounts to the windscreen. There is enough overhead

Jon... Mark Talbot has a SerIII and I presume he has the full interior.
There is a finishing piece that covers the joint between the windshield and
roof. I suppose if you were very clever, you could mound a very small radio
and/or CB up there.. Can't do what you did because of the headliner.

I have seen a real nice setup where the center seat was replaced with a
cubby box which held a radio and space for cassettes, etc. 

Cheers
Mike

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:11:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rapped knuckles & broken numberplate

Tom Stevenson... knuckle rapper!

> I'm typing this very slowly, since at the weekend I got slapped on the
> knuckles by a kicking crank handle; I must be losing my touch since this
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> the crank handle. I wonder if this was the reason; I may have
> inadvertently used a left handed handle by mistake.

Ouch! Back when I was a lad on the farm, more years ago than I care to think
about, we had a big Oliver tractor. If it had an electric starter, I don't
remember, since the only way to start it was by cranking it. The crank was
about the size of the Rover crank but permanently mounted and about waist
high. Turning the bugger over was no easy task, especially for a skinny
teen-ager. I distinctly remember one fine day when I happened to be in the
wrong place when it kicked back... caught me square in the chest and threw
me back 6 or 8 feet! Knocked the wind right out of me.. Had a *lot* more
respect for the beast after that!

Cheers
Mike

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:16:38 MST
Subject: March LRO already?

Just caught up on the last few days of the Digest, and I'm beginning to think
there are two different publications called LRO.  
	Robin writes that he already got his March LRO.  I just got my Feb LRO
on 2/27.  Does yours come via something called "TELESORT, Inc" out of NY or
direct from England?  Why should there be a month's difference in delivery?
	Sandy--  What is the "breakfast" on a 109?  I missed the "Op Center"
broadcast.
	Dixon-- What is "IRC", or is this another Series Three Taylor put on?
	
	Lastly - Regarding the comments on somebody standing in front of a
British flag in the Feb LRO article on the ROVA getogether.   I've looked
through the entire issue and the only flag I see is on page 107 and it's on top
of a building.  Are we getting the same magazine?

Rob Modica      1951 SI 80"  Hardtop     16136629
Tucson AZ       1960 SII 109  Safari SW 164000620
                1994 Disco 5spd
                formerly owned 1967 SIIA 88" 24420297B Anyone seen it?
                

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Subject: Re: March LRO already? 
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:34:37 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Rob Modica wrote:

> 	Dixon-- What is "IRC", or is this another Series Three Taylor put on?

Internet Relay Chat.  Its a real time interactive talk session via computer.
think of it as a typed N party line where N can be very large (or as small as 2)

> 	Lastly - Regarding the comments on somebody standing in front of a
> British flag in the Feb LRO article on the ROVA getogether.   I've looked
> through the entire issue and the only flag I see is on page 107 and it's on 
> top of a building.  Are we getting the same magazine?

In the ROVA article: ( on page 187(?) )
	If you look at the picture of the NATO 109 Pickup crossing a small
stream/puddle in the upper right hand corner of the photo is a blue SIII.  If
you look closely there is a roof rack on the SIII and a CB antenna sticking
up from the SIII's left rear corner.  At the top of this antenna is a 
red/blue/white drooping flag which is a Union Jack.  But you'd only know that
if you knew what you were looking at.  (the SIII is mine btw)

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications International Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 14:27:39 +1000
From: ra.walker@qut.edu.au (Rodney Walker)
Subject: HELP PLEASE - RIVNUTS !!!!

Can someone out there please help me locate some RIVNUTS!

These are the correct fastener that is used to mount a 
capstan winch to an early landrover. They are similar in operation
to a NUTSERT, but they have a hex head that protrudes outside of the
job so that they can be put in without special tools.

Does anyone have any idea what I'm on about?

Does anyone know if Craddocks stocks them??

Best regards 

Rod Walker

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rodney A. Walker                                  44 Ford GPW
Space Centre for Satellite Navigation             44 Willys MB
Queensland University of Technology               88 Cherokee
George St, Brisbane                               90 Wrangler
4000, Queensland, Australia                       85 CJ7, 85 J10
voice +61-7-8705187                               44 GPA, 44 Dodge Truck
fax   +61-7-8641517                               79 Cherokee Cheif
                                                  56 CJ3B
                                                  55 Series 1 Land Rover
                                                  53 Series 1 Land Rover
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Guilt trip.
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:21:51 +1030 (CST)

Oh The guilt!  Like some others I've "picked" on Taylor a bit, Hey he seems
like a nice enough guy, he wants the knowledge to make an informed decision,
and in many ways is to be congratulated for that.

So why pick on him????

Maybe because I(we) feel that purchase of a Land-Rover, particularly older
ones is not a decision that can be rationalised a priori.
To me (and I suspect many others of "us") it is more an emotional thing which
we later (attempt to) rationalise. 
How many of us bought a Land-Rover because we *wanted a Land-Rover*,
regardless of price/condition/comfort, it just had to be a Land-Rover didnt
it ?
I bought my first Land-rover because i couldnt afford one of the Rice
rockets, lots of people said I was crazy (maybe they were right).  It  never
really occured to me at the time that the mere fact I could buy a 20 odd year
old Land-Rover at all must say something about the Marque.  
Now I wouldnt consider a non Land-Rover, it is simply no longer an option.  
(Ok I 'fess  maybe a 'Mog)

It is truely commendable on Taylors part that he wants to go in with his eyes
open. I wonder if I would have bought that '67 109  if I had know "the Dark
side"?  However I fear the more information needed to rationalise a Land-Rover
purchase the less likely it is that the new owner will be happy with his new
family member. 

Who was it that said, " Land-Rover are like women/men, You cant live with
them and you cant just leave them by the side of the road"

Well I've ranted enough and wasted enough bandwidth again.

Comments anyone?

-- 

  Daryl (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 23:47:31 +200
Subject: UUENCODED file: SUM-V.CP part 1 of 1 

section 1 of uuencode of file SUM-V.CP

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From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:47:31 +200
Subject: REPLY TO MARK (OVERLANDING)

HI MARK,
 
TRIED TO SEND THIS TO YOU VIA YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS BUT IT JUST
BOUNCED BACK.

I have been thinking of doing an OVERLAND trip from South Africa
up africa to the UK.  Taking about 6 months, with one vehicle but
there will be 4 (have 3 so far) of us.

I have a couple of files concerning EQUIPMENT, VEHCILE PREP, ETC
that you may find useful.  Shout if you would like to see any
section in them.

Good luck in your trip - the most fun is the preperation and then
the journey and finally (way done) is actually getting there! 
One thing we have learnt is do not try to get too far in a day,
I.E. never travel more than 5-6 hours a day.

Cheers

Barry

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WONDERING JOY; SIII; 1983; STATION WAGON; FORD V6 3L MOTOR

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From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 23:47:31 +200
Subject: Enclosure file: A-CP 

                                          TRANS AFRICA TRIP
CONTENTS PAGE

2.      INTRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5

3.      CONTRIBUTORS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
        3.1.    PEOPLE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
        3.2.    BOOKS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
        3.3.    INTERNET . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
                3.3.1.  LAND ROVER FAQ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
                3.3.2.          STUDENT AND BUDGET TRAVEL RESOURCE
                                GUIDE: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
                3.3.3.          Alt.Travel.Road-trip . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
                3.3.4.          4 Wheels On... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
                3.3.5.          Tourism in South Africa. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
                3.3.6.          THE AFRICAN NEWS & INFORMATION SERVICE . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
                3.3.7.          malawi discussion list . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
                3.3.8.          soc.culture.african. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
                3.3.9.          rec.travel library . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
                3.3.10.         TRAVEL-ADVISORIES MAILING LIST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
                3.3.11.         Rec.Travel.Misc. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
                3.3.12.         ROUND-THE-WORLD TRAVEL GUIDE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
                3.3.13.         Ford Explorer Owners . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9
                3.3.14.         Offroad mailing list . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10
                3.3.15.         LAND ROVER OWNERS LIST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10

4.      PERSONAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11
        4.1.    INTRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11
        4.2.    REQUIREMENTS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11
                4.2.1.  WARM WEATHER GEAR. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11
                4.2.2.          WET/COLD WEATHER GEAR. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11
                4.2.3.          OTHER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11
        4.3.    DOCUMENTS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12
        4.4.    POST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12
        4.5.    LANGUAGE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12
        4.6.    DAILY ROUTINE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12
        4.7.    BOOKS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12

5.      CAMPING. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13
        5.1.    INTRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13
        5.2.    ACCOMMODATION. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13
        5.3.    WATER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13
                5.3.1.  Boil or Filter?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13
                5.3.2.          water filters. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  14
        5.4.    COOKING STUFF. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  18
        5.5.    FOOD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  19
                5.5.1.  GENERAL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  19
                5.5.2.          BREKFAST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  19
                5.5.3.          LUNCH. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  19
                5.5.4.          SUPPER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  19
        5.6.    CAMP FRIDGES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  19

6.      FIRST AID. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  21
        6.1.    INTRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  21
        6.2.    VACCINATIONS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  21
        6.3.    MEDICAL KIT. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  21
        6.4.    MEDICAL PROBLEMS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  21
                6.4.1.  MALARIA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  21
                6.4.2.          HEAT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  22
                6.4.3.          DIARRHOEA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  22
                6.4.4.          DYSENTERY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  23
                6.4.5.          INSECTS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  23
                6.4.6.          BILHARZIA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  23

7.      MONEY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  24
        7.1.    INTRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  24
        7.2.    PERSONAL BANK GUARANTEE/CREDIT LETTER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  24
        7.3.    COST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  24
        7.4.    BUDGETING TRIP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  24
                7.4.1.  BEFORE DEPARTURE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  25
                7.4.2.          DURING TRIP. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  25
                7.4.3.          EXCHANGE RATES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  26

8.      GENERAL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  28
        8.1.    TIME . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  28
        8.2.    2ND VEHICLE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  28
        8.3.    TRAVEL COMPANIONS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  28
        8.4.    WHEN TO TRAVEL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  28
        8.5.    DESERT SURVIVAL SAFETY TIPS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  29
                8.5.1.  RECOMMENDED SURVIVAL ITEMS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  29
                        a.      PERSONAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  29

9.      VEHICLE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  31
        9.1.    INTRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  31
        9.2.    DOCUMENTS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  31
        9.3.    LAND ROVER INFORMATION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  31
                9.3.1.  LICENCE DETAILS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  31
                9.3.2.          ENGINE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  31
                9.3.3.          DIMENSIONS:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  31
                9.3.4.          TRANSMISSION:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  32
                9.3.5.          STEERING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  32
                9.3.6.          BRAKES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  32
                9.3.7.          SUSPENSION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  32
                9.3.8.          WHEELS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  32
                9.3.9.          BODY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  32
                9.3.10.         REQUIREMENTS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  33
                        a.      LIGHTING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  33
                        b.      GAUGES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  33
                        c.      BATTERIES. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  33
                        d.      SECURITY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  33
                        e.      FUEL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  33
                        f.      VEHICLE STRENGTHENING. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  33
                        g.      DAILY INSPECTIONS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  34
                        h.      Seat Belts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  34
                9.3.11.         GETTING UNSTUCK. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  34
                        a.      GENERAL MAINENANCE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  34
        9.4.    EQUIPMENT LIST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  35
                9.4.1.  VEHICLE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  35
                        a.      SAFETY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  35
                9.4.2.          SPARES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  35
                        a.      FILTERS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  35
                        b.      ELECTRICAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  35
                        c.      ENGINE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  36
                        d.      FLUIDS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  36
                        e.      WHEELS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  36
                        f.      ELECTRICAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  36
                        g.      PERSONNEL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  36
                        h.      VEHICLE GENERAL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  36
                        i.      ENGINE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  37
                        j.      EXPENSIVE SPARES CONSIDER TAKING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  37
                9.4.3.          TOOLS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  38
                        a.      EMERGENCY/STUCK. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  38
                        b.      ENGINE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  38
                        c.      GENERAL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  38
                        d.      BODY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  38
                        e.      LITERATURE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  38
                9.4.4.          ADVICE FROM DESERT MEN:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  39
        9.5.    Conversion chart . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  39

10.     ROUTE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  40
        10.1.   INTRODUCTION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  40
        10.2.   MAPS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  40
        10.3.   ROUTE RESTRICTIONS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  40
        10.4.   VISA REQUIREMENTS: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  42
        10.5.   DETAILED ROUTE DESCRIPTION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  43
        10.6.   SOUTHERN AFRICA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  43
                10.6.1.         ADVICE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  43
                10.6.2.         SOUTH AFRICA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  44
                10.6.3.         NAMIBIA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  44
                10.6.4.         BOTSWANA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  46
                10.6.5.         ZIMBABWE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  49
                10.6.6.         MOZAMBIQUE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  50
                10.6.7.         Zambia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  52
                10.6.8.         MALAWI . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  54
        10.7.   CENTRAL AFRICA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  56
                10.7.1.         ADVICE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  56
                10.7.2.         TANZANIA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  56
                10.7.3.         KENYA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  56
                10.7.4.         UGANDA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  58
                10.7.5.         ZAIRE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  60
                10.7.6.         CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  60
        10.8.   WEST AFRICA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  61
                10.8.1.         Advice . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  61
                10.8.2.         CAMEROON . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  61
                10.8.3.         NIGER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  61
                10.8.4.         Algeria. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  61
                10.8.5.         Algeria. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  65
                10.8.6.         Nigeria. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  67
                10.8.7.         MOROCCO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  67
        10.9.   NORTHERN AFRICA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  69
                10.9.1.         ADICE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  69
                10.9.2.         SUDAN. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  69
                10.9.3.         EGYPT. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  69
        10.10.  OTHER AFRICAN STATES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  70
                10.10.1.        CHAD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  70
                10.10.2.        MALI . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  71
                10.10.3.        MAURITANIA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  73
                10.10.4.        Guinea . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  74
                10.10.5.        Equatorial Guinea. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  77
                10.10.6.        Ghana. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  79
                10.10.7.        Gambia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  81
                10.10.8.        Gabon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  83
                10.10.9.        Liberia. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  84
                10.10.10.       Sierra Leone . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  86
                10.10.11.       Syria. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  88
                10.10.12.       Burkina Faso . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  90
                10.10.13.       Cote d'Ivoire. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  92
                10.10.14.       Yemen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  94
                10.10.15.       Sudan. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  96
                10.10.16.       Swaziland. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  98
                10.10.17.       Togo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  99

11.     PLANNING A TRIP THROUGH AFRICA BY Richard Jordan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 102
                11.0.1.         trip advice. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 106
        11.1.   Long cold nights - a trip to alexandria. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 108
                                          TRANS AFRICA TRIP

2.      INTRO.

I have attempted to bring all the information collected by a few us us
going on A TRANS-AFRICAN TRIP LATER THIS YEAR.  The information is
directed for a low-budget, small group with 6 months to do it.  Own
transport as a LAND ROVER will be used.

THE OVERLAND TRIP ACROSS THE AFRICAN CONTINENT IS STILL ONE OF THE
GREATEST MOTORING CHALLENGES IN THE WORLD.  ONE DOES NOT NEED A GREAT
DEAL OF MONEY, JUST AMBITION TO UNDERTAKE SUCH AN EXPEDITION, AND THE
PERSEVERANCE TO PUSH THROUGH WITH THE PLANNING AND THE ACTUAL TRIP
TO THE END.  Travelling overland is not just a means of getting
somewhere.  It is one of the most challenging experiences that can be
undertaken in our rapidly changing world.  Africa - a vast land of diverse
beauty has for centuries attracted explores and adventures.  Now as
never before, Africa is opening up for the adventurous traveller.

THERE ARE THREE IMPORTANT ASPECTS TO PREVENT DISASTER.  The first and
most important is to do sufficient planning.  Such a trip must not be
undertaken lightly, and should be planned on an expedition basis (over a
year period).  The second is to have an adequately prepared and equipped
vehicle which MUST NOT BE OVERLOADED.  The third is lack of respect and
appreciation of the elements that are to be faced.

In brackets after the details i have put who will be providing it.  IF IT
HAS A R = REQUIRED; Y = WE HAVE IT; N = NOT GOING TO GET; ? = DO WE NEED
TO GET IT??

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:11:55 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: 1989 vs 1988 Range Rovers

Mr. Yee,

I am one of those who mentioned this difference:

>The Want Ad read: "RANGE ROVER '88 70k, blue/gray, immac. $19K."  So, 
>what are some of the differences someone getting into the used RR market 
>should know when deciding between the much-acclaimed '89s vs '88s?  Thanks!

John Brabyn can, no doubt, tell you more but the main salient differences 
between the '88 and '89 are that the '88 has a 3.5-liter V-8 and its 
transfer case has a driver-lockable open differential (like the current 
Defender 90 and Discovery); the '89 has a 3.9-liter V-8 (really significant 
difference in performance) and a viscous coupling in the transfer case.  
Both differences are very important, in my opinion.  If the price were 
right, I'd consider an '88 but $19,000 would not be that price.  No more 
than $15,000, I'd say, probably should be less, for the mileage.  Did you 
see that there were a couple of pretty reasonable '89s advertised in the Bay 
Area in the last few days?  Around $19,000, also, I think.

Hope this helps.
Granville Pool <mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net>
Redwood Valley, California, USA
(707) 485-7220 Home, (707) 463-4265 Work
'52, '60, '61, '73, and '74 SWB Land-Rovers and Austin Champ (military 4x4)

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