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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:18:36 -0700 (MST)
Michael Yablonski asks:
< this Camel Trophy. Can someone tell me what it is and what it is all about?
< Some history maybe?
Camel Trophy is loosely referred to as the Olympics of 4WD. The first
one used jeeps in the Amazon in 1980. Ever since they have used Land
Rover products. Over a million applicants vie for spots on the two-man
national teams. About a dozen are selected to compete in national
trials. Four finalists go to international trials which further narrow
down the team to two, plus two alternates, plus two team journalists.
Mundo Maya '95 will be held May 17-June 8 in Belize, Guatemala, El
Salvador and Honduras. Twenty nations will send teams. Points are
awarded for Special Tasks. Teams vote for the one with the best team
spirit in the expedition which covers 1,000 miles of very challenging
terrain. Overall winning team gets the trophy, which is three hands
holding aloft a globe and vehicle.
Women first participated in the Camel Trophy in 1994, with Carine Duret
on the French team and Christel Persson on the Swedish team.
Camel cigarettes (RJR Nabisco) sponsored the first event. Since then it
has been taken over by Worldwide Brands Inc., a wholly-owned subsidary of
RJR, organized in 1981, which owns the Camel Trophy trademark. WBI
Germany had launched the "Camel Collection" of leisure wear in 1977, and
in 1991 WBI diversified into "Camel Trophy Adventure Wear" (boots,
clothing, watches), presently marketed only in Europe and the Far East.
In 1992 Land Rover entered into a formal co-sponsorship agreement with
WBI. Plans now call for North American LR dealers to market the
"adventure wear".
Here is the history of the Camel Trophy in a nutshell:
Year Place Vehicle #teams Winners
1980 Transamazonica Jeep 3 (Ger) Ger (Klaus Karthna-
Dircks, Uwe Machel)
1981 Sumatra Range Rover 5 (Ger) Ger (Christian
Swoboda, Knuth Mentel)
1982 Papua NewGuinea Range Rover 8 Italy (Cesare Geraudo,
Giuliano Giongo)
1983 Zaire Ser III 88 7 Neth (Henk Bont,
Franz Heij)
1984 Brazil 110 12 Italy (Maurizio Lavi,
Alfredo Redaelli)
1985 Borneo 90 16 Ger (Heinz Kallin,
Bernd Strodach)
1986 Australia 90 14 France (Jacques Mambre,
Michel Courvallet)
1987 Madagascar Range Rover 14 Italy (Mauro Miele,
Vincenzo Tota)
1988 Sulawesi 110 12 Turkey (Galip Gurel,
Ali Deveci)
1989 The Amazon 110 14 UK (Bob Ives,
Joe Ives)
1990 Siberia-USSR Discovery 16 Neth (Rob Kamps,
Stijn Luyx)
1991 Tanzania-Burundi Discovery 17 Turkey (Menderes Utku,
Bulent Ozler)
1992 Guyana Discovery 16 Switz (Alwin Arnold,
Urs Bruggisser)
1993 Sabah-Malaysia Discovery 16 USA (Tim Hensley,
Michael Hussey)
1994 Arg-Parag-Chile Discovery 18 Spain (Jorge Corella,
Carlos Martinez)
1995 Mundo Maya Discovery 20
"The Legend in Adventure" continues...
T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA
http://mercury.cair.du.edu/~tomills (under construction)
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]Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:06:17 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca> Subject: First time here Greetings to lro's from Mark Perry, Winnipeg,Manitoba Canada, almost- a- year-on owner of 1966 Ser.IIA, 88" petrol hardtop. Of course, I have questions (and I bet Dave Place has most of the answers), comments also. 1. Everything you've heard about Suzuki SJ410's is true. 2. The Economist magazine of Feb.11 has a piece about pressure to U.K. and Euro-pressure to ban crash/roo/bull/brush bars for increased injury and damage in pedestrian and vehicle collisions. Land Rover is cited as denying their bars are dangerous. I hear nothing of this in U.S. or Canada. Comments? 3.My L-R is fitted with a capstan winch made by now-defunct Aeroparts Engineering, but is missing entire PTO/drive-train/control lever setup. Anyone know of a source for such, or interested in this unit? Anyone know a*manual* winch source as alternate? 4. I inherited a noisy Fairey OD, had it stripped, inspected; replaced all bearings, layshaft and input gear ass'y, but still noisy. In OD produces a horrific whine which becomes painful above 2500 rpm. Tony Sanderson of Superwinch suggests its the gear mesh, prime suspect being output-to-trasfer case gear flanks? Anyone have experience on this and its remedy? That's enough for now. Cheers, Mark P Remember, if it isn't leaking, it's out of something. ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:27:06 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Re: ARC memories // futures
> BSROA is
>going again - Lord Jim and Lady Pappas will be attending - I'm going - we'll
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>Pilgrammage III. Any other folks going? Sir Denis? Duke Leacock? Caloccia
>and Jacob will be there right!
Yep, I'll be there. When's the party start ? Should I plan ont taking off
Firday, or Thursday and Friday? The Lincs. folks have cashed my check, but
I've not see anything else from them.
Southern never got a hold of me with respect to temporary memberships, so
I don't think they're up for it. I'll make some further inquiries. How many
require temp RAC-ARC competition memberships ? Application forms ?
I've got a day after the nationals and then two back down south. After that
I was planning on heading to Italy for a few weeks.
>Come up with
>some scheme to mount the thing on top of the bumper and put a "cheap"
>video cam
>in it and then go off roading. One could probably rig up a remote too?
>Anybody try this? Is the vibration just TOO much?
A couple years ago Forbes (?) had an article 'bout a NY exec who took off to
Austria to prepare for the Paris-Dakar run in a G-Wagen. They bolted the
camera to the roll cage (as many racer types do), their only problems were
that it vibrated loose, but that's less likely to happen at reasonable
speeds.
Cheers,
--bill caloccia@Team.Net caloccia@Stratus.Com
1 3 dl OD L "Land Rover's first, becuase
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2 4 R N H '72 Range Rover
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]From: Sanna@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:36:52 -0500 Subject: Re: StRE: Still more 88" Series IIA Questions Taylor - Are you really going to buy one of these things or just ask questions? Here's some info: The spare fits neatly behind the front seats attached to the bulkhead. I like this position better because it a) Provides a perfect place to carry your Hi-Lift jack, spanning from wheel box to wheel box squeezed between the spare and the bulk-head (I know, Taylor, your next question will be "Wots a High-Lift, Jack?). b) It makes a great arm rest. c) And it lets me tell people who ask, that that thing on my hood is the 50 cal. gun mount. When you need the room, the tire hops nicely onto the hood. When it is on the hood the windsheild is made so it folds nicel, level accross the tire. It does take some muscle, however, to check your oil. The canvas top can be had with or without vinyl side windows and in a variety of colors. All of the ones that I've seen have vinyl rear windows and olive green. The top is great. It REAL canvas, not some synthetic. Your car will smell like a circus tent. It will stretch and contract with the weather. It takes about five minutes to put on, but just a minute to remove. When it's off it rolls and stores perfectly along the floor in the rear along one of the wheel boxes, with one end snuggly fit in the space between the spare and the wheel box. Plan on replacing it every five or six years. They're real & they rot out. In addition to the axiom "Real Rovers have metal dashboards", there is the additional truth that "Real, REAL Rovers have metal dashboards and the headlights in the grill". The Series I crew might even take this line of thinking further. Get a '68 Taylor, but don't butcher it. Series II tranny's are great! You have to double clutch, buts its a great, grinding piece of machinary. Mine's 1/3 million miles and still factory. An oil cooler cools the engine oil, Taylor, it doesn't cool the engine with oil! Are you sure you wouldn't be better off in a Buick? ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Sanna@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:43:22 -0500 Subject: Re: I see a RANGE ROVER in my future <I heard that the '89 RR's have Lucas electronics, while '90 and later have Bosch. Is this correct?? I don't know. I'm afraid to look. ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Sanna@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:23:55 -0500 Subject: Re: I see a RANGE ROVER in my future >And I'll look out for those '89 models--sounds like they are better...not to mention a bit less expensive thx to age. What sort of "bugs" are you encountering now, btw? I had some real wandering problems with the truck (couldn't keep it home on Saturday night). A-B send me new steering bushings, stearing shock, etc. Nothing worked. Then, when I finally replaced the tires, the problem disapeared! No logical explaination, but something in the old tires was making the truck squirrelly. '89 RR's don't have the sway bars, so it handles a little whale-ish, but from what I hear on this line, they preform much better off-road without them (longer wheel travel). This is a VERY, VERY comfortable vehicle. I love it! It is also the most capable off-road truck I've ever driven. I use it in the mud & muck all the time. I've got Bush bars and a 4 ton low profile Super Winch on the front. Both have proved very usefull. The bush bar is great for strapping things to, however it makes replacing a headlamp a two hour project (the headlights are supposedly easily changed by lifting the hood, unclipping the grill and folding it forward. However, with the bar & winch in place it has no place to go, so you end up removing the whole assembly.) The tail light guards are problematic. They collect snow on their splines and keep the lamp covered, and the quick-release screw has a tendency to corrode, so when you need to replace a bulb, you've got another two hour project. The electronics are scarry in this thing, although they've never caused me any problem. This is the vintage when the elctronics got very complicated, but probably the year before they went to micro-processors. There are relays EVERYWHERE. Banks & banks of them under the dash, under the seats, crammed in the center console. Probably all Lucas too. This weekend I'm going to remove the plastic front air dam from under the bumper. It really cuts down the aproach angle and is always getting beat up. The heating system is bizzare. I don't know of anyone who really understands it, but it works. The heating & defrost is adequate (the electricly heated windshield is a help), but the A/C is the best I have ever seen in ANY car. It pumps a huge volume of icy air through the dashe's five ports. The rear storage is sort of funky for such an expensive car (a piece of carpet hung from a shelf), but using the shelf as a starting point I built a beautiful tool box from Honduran mahogany to match the wood in the doors. It holds winch goodies, tow bars, tow straps, tool roll, flash lights, gloves, binoculars, wool blankets, jack, with room for a 12" sub-woofer. I hope this helps. - Tony ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:35:31 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU> Subject: Re: Misc Hey...Kelly just brought somethig up....and before I blast, I want you to know I do the same thing....but if ya know the risk it is different..I guess...When he told about the chisel in the steering arm, I shivvered...that is a big no no...if you spread the arm you will stress it...and it might fail....wheeeeeeeeeeeeeclunk.....not good...So...don't do it.....but I do it all the time..but I know better...so does Kelly ....so do you ...now... steve....... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:08:19 -0800 From: smule@ix.netcom.com (Sam Collins) Subject: landrover mailing list Is this a mailing list site? I have a landrover and am trying to get connected to a BBS etc. Let me know how to connect if you are out there. ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:14:39 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: ARC memories > I'm setting up to do PC-based capture-editting-output - I could > probably do something - gotta get a tape from Jim though... Droool... Send MPEG's! MPEG! MPEG! MPEG! hehehehehe Gotta justify this fancy laptop and the diskspace for the MPEG viewer somehow! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Lucking" <BU063@ist2.co.umist.ac.uk>
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 17:19:28 GB/EIRE
Subject: Christmas Hols!
I know this is late, but I've been busy... honest!
Recap: I am at UMIST, in Manchester, England, LR is in Sussex, 200
miles away, and the first time I could drive it (1969 SWB SIIa
2.25 petrol) was xmas hols.
I experianced a lot of things this christmas, such as:
1) Visiting a lot of diferent petrol stations
2) Running out of petrol for the first time ever.. My previous car
(Ford Fiesta) could go on forever when the guage was on empty, the LR
just stoped the moment needle touched the E.. at least its accurate
(Incidently, the tank took several litres more than the haynes manual
said it should (Is the garage ripping me off - therefore am I getting
*More* than 16mpg????))
3) the joys of having dozens of grease nipples/oil fillers to top up.
4) Novel experiance of people raving about how wonderful it is, even
after a ride (does wonders for the ego!), even the women.....
5) Finding the chassis has more holes than I thought it did when I
bought it, but I was too desperate to buy it....
6) Realising my father is getting very attached to it, very useful,
as his "toy" 1969 Rover P5B has had just about everything changed,
and is now very reliable, so he spends his weekends playing with mine
instead, very useful!!
7) having to spend several days using a pair of pliers to start it
when the starter solenoid packed up, interesting at busy junctions.
8) Being able to grab peoples knees (in central seat) and have a good
excuse! (I though it was the gear lever!)
9) That *refreshing* condensation shower you get on a cold morning
when you have to go and work for your dad ( does wonders for the
suit...)
10) Even my mum likes it now.. being able to carry 11 people (very
cosy in SWB) home from her "End-of-panto-party" (She works Front of
house at local theatre) all "merry" (Me excluded :-( ) - Isn't the
ride much more comfortable with a load!!
I now won't be able to drive it (I refuse to give it a name) until
the summer, as I am spending all Easter on a farm in Wales with my
arm up a sheep!! (Lanbing time!). Great Off roading, but too
expensive to drive there and back... maybe in the summer, unless
somebody wants to make a donation ;-)
Thats all for now, I will try to post more often now!!!
Cheers
Tricky
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Richard Lucking
phone:(0161) 224 6641 (Term) email:bu063@ist2.co.umist.ac.uk
(Flat 48) or: se063@sna.co.umist.ac.uk
A Land Rover is for life, unlike a Jeep . . . . . .
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]From: LuckyJoe@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:06:09 -0500 Subject: Re: index lro-digest index lro-digest ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:49:34 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: LRO FAQ On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Bill Caloccia wrote: > > I should have made a comment with the statement that I am always > > looking for more material for the D90/Disco/RR crowd to get their > > act together. There is nothing in there about any of them. > Well, you'll have to throw down the gauntlet before it can be picked up... none Well, that's easy. All you D90, Disco, RR types out there. Before we go into flamefest 95b, how about you supply some stuff for the FAQ. Now that you have seen it, you will notice that it is rather Series oriented (and going to get more so as I add more stuff). Unless You want the uninitiated to think that the Series are the only real Land Rover, you better get going... :-) Rgds, Dixon ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Rostykus, John" <john@mailgwy.Data-IO.COM> Subject: Performance parts for LR V8's Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 11:38:00 PST R. P. Reid writes: >Does anyone still carry performance parts for the old Buick 283, on which the >L.R. V8's are based? Long throw cranks? Cams? Dare I ask, Superchargers?? >Really just a mental exercise, I am not likely to tear into a new D90 any none time >soon, but I bet that V8 would run great with a 350 CFM Holly 4bbl, edelbrock >manifold, crane cam and punched out to about 350 Cu inches. And it would be >infinitely more repairable! >Anyone want to brainstorm on this one? none Yes, many aftermarket parts are available. Just wander down to your local 'American' car performance shop, and you should find the Buick 215 (not 283) listed in various catalogs. My '79 Range Rover used to have a stock V-8 with dual Zenith Strombergs. I converted this to a Holley 4bbl, JWR dual-port manifold, and Crane cam (still just 215 cu in) for < $300. The performance definitely improved, and it still got about 15 mpg. I later converted the beast to a Perkins turbo-D, and sold the V-8 to a neighbor down the street who threw a rod in his '80 Range Rover. He is quite pleased with the result, and after 3 years, it's still going strong. Let me know if you want more specifics, I can probably dredge up some part numbers. There are various British specialists who supply performance parts, but with a little hunting, you can find them in the US for *much* cheaper. Tinkering with the old 'carb'ed V8 was easy, modifying an EFI V8 is beyond my skill or desire. Rosty john@data-io.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Rostykus, John" <john@mailgwy.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: What's a Newfy?
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 11:55:00 PST
As a Newfy and LR owner, I can assure you there a lot of parallels.
They both:
1) are 4x4's.
2) are large, but have a low center of gravity..
3) like to play in the water.
4) often stop to rest in the mud, when playing with others.
5) leak fluid.
6) attract attention in public places.
7) tolerate children climbing all over them.
8) are much better at accelerating than at stopping.
9) can pull stuck cars out of a ditch.
10) are mistaken for other breeds.
("Nice Jeep, mister. Nice St. Bernard, mister.").
Rosty (and Fezzik, the Newfoundland)
john@data-io.com
Limestone IIA 109" P/U with a large black Newfy in the back.
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]Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 13:36:03 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: I see a RANGE ROVER in my future I agree with everything you say about the 89. However the electronics are about par for the course -- the use of microprocessors does not obviate the need for banks of relays. I carry a couple of spares, but so far no problem -- knock on wood. The relays can theoretically be replaced in automobile electronics by solid state replacements such as transistors and the like, but manufacturers have been slow to do it, mainly because solid state switches are far more likely to melt down with modest overload. Hence the reliance on the trusty relay, which itself keeps getting cheaper and better anyway. I like the sound of your mahogny toolbox -- can you tell us more? Also, fyi, the reason swaybars reduce optimal off-road traction is not just the limit on wheel travel, which can actually be the same with and without swaybars depending on the limits set by bump stops and shocks. The axle simply has more resistance to even modest articulation, with the result that a drooping wheel is "unloaded" much more rapidly with swaybars as the wheel descends -- reducing ground contact force and hence available traction. That's why Land Rover claimed "uncompromised wheel travel" when swaybars were introduced -- what they didn't mention was the compromised traction, which had to be made up for by adding electronic traction control in 1993. Well folks sorry for boring you with all this -- that's the trouble with being an engineer! Cheers John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 17:27 EST From: Adam Messer <0002511669@mcimail.com> Subject: U.S. availability of Disco skid plates My wife and I live in Tanzania, and about 4 months ago we bought a 1994 Disco 2.5TDi. We've been *really* pleased with it. But after bashing the tie rods during a bush trip, and having to do field repairs with a sledgehammer, I am in the market for skid plates. There are no aftermarket skid plates available in Tanzania, and apparently Land Rover's special vehicles skid plates will only be available as a factory-installed option. Does anyone know if skid plates are available in the U.S.? We're going back to Africa on Friday, 24 Feb, and need to move fast on this. Thanks for any leads. Adam Messer 0002511669@mcimail.com (expires 24 Feb) Diana Putman dputman@usaid.gov (email in TZ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 15:00:49 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Dow down, Rovers up Man, in the S.F. chronicle there is a '74 88" for sale for, get this, $12,000! It says totally refurbished and many extras but wow. I figure that the series Land Rovers are just going to become more valuable over time, what an investment. On another note, there is also a 1966 Nissan Patrol advertised in the Chron. selling for $5000. It is actually parked near my house. This thing is even more of a rip-off of Land Rover styling than the Land Cruiser is. It is funky looking and I bet parts are a hassle. Anyone familiar with these rigs? Morgan ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 18 Feb 95 18:12:14 EST From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Saturdays digest Steven Denis re 1958 88 ser 1's the following are the ser numbers chassis numbers petrol diesel home rhd 111800001 116800001 ex rhd 112800001 117800001 ckd rhd 113800001 118800001 lhd export 114800001 119800001 ckd lhd 115800001 120800001 Axles serial no 111800001 semi floating 111880001 fully floating I have a set of 1993 micrfiches for the LR parts range, and no viewer. I could easily get the later version. Is there a cheap method of reproducing the pages? obviously needs to be cheaper than buying the parts book the fiche 's were free. anybody offer the service ? John Hong By being in the states at the new year I obviously missed the new years honours list, nice of you to tell me of my promotion. Yes I' ll be there at the international, courtesy of my GM relocation package, I have got an entry in the CCV from a friend who has arranged it for me as a visiting yank!! Will your video film through MUD? Kelly the metal grille used on your ser 3 was standard on 2a from early 69 thro to 71 they are much better in warmer climes because the plastic ones restrict the rad airflow too much. The 4 way snap in connector you ask about is a Lucas part number 850641, the bullet is also a Lucas part number 900269 for the solder ( or is sodder ) type and 54941384 for the crimp type. Dixon / Mike In 1971 as the ser 2a parts were used up there were a lot of hybrids produced as ser 2a with ser 3 parts until the ser 3 was officially released. most common were the salisbury axle on the 109 and the synchro boxes on all models, they still used the old clutch system. Morgan, I have worked in the aluminium radiator business for so long now that, like you i can't remember. your keys are probably with mine. were you at the same party at whatthemacallits? Roy if lubrication of the valves was a problem why are the inlet ones OK. ? the inlet valve seals are fitted with a spring to seal on the valve because of the pressure drop accross them. the exhaust seals are not fitted with the spring and are therefore less efficient. Check the clearance between valve and guide. When fitting the guides it is VERY easy toupset the end of the guide and reduce the diameter so that it is a tight fit on the valve. Regards Bill Leacock ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:31:36 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: _THE_ survey - who's who on the land rover owner list...
Surveys have been done in the past, but not recently, while membership has
increased signficantly, so the past who's who list is quite out of date.
Although lots of this information passes on the list in text or as signatures,
it is a but more difficult to parse out of messages, so, the simplest thing
is to ask for you help in doing this by having you do some of the work.
Here is the kind of info I'm looking for:
Surname: Caloccia
Called_Names: Bill
County/State: Middlesex
Country(US,UK): UK
Clubs: Pennine LRC
Vehicle: RR 1972 2dr 3.5l DAJ802L
Now, if you can stick to some relatively 'normal' references to vehicles it
will be a lot easier to deal with:
type-wb year body engine reg.mark or name
Vehicle: Disco 91 5dr 200Tdi
Vehicle: D90 94 hard 3.9i
Vehicle: D110 93 5dr 3.9i frosty
Vehicle: SI-80 51 soft 2.25 POU-205
Vehicle: SII-109 67 safari 2.25
Vehicle: SII-109 67 doormobile 2.25
Vehicle SII-88 67 cab 2.25D nigel
Vehicle: RR 72 2dr 3.489perkins
body styles: soft (top), hard (top), safari (5dr), doormobile (camper),
(pickup) cab, 2dr/4dr rangies, 3dr/5dr discos
Some courtesies please:
If you do elect to reply, then
++ please help out by using the form below.
++ PLEASE send the reply ONLY to 'survey@team.net'
++ delete everything above this line (after copying anything...)
------------------------- cut here - delete above ----------------------
Mail To: survey@team.net
Surname:
Called_Names:
County/State:
Country(US,UK):
Club:
type/wb year body engine
Vehicle:
Cheers,
--bill caloccia@Team.Net caloccia@Stratus.Com
1 3 dl OD L "Land Rover's first, becuase
|--|--+ o | | Land Rovers last."
2 4 R N H '72 Range Rover
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]Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 19:01:19 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA> Subject: Re: _THE_ survey - who's who on the land rover owner list... On Sun, 19 Feb 1995, Bill Caloccia wrote:> > ------------------------- cut here - delete above ---------------------- > Mail To: survey@team.net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)] > |--|--+ o | | Land Rovers last." > 2 4 R N H '72 Range Rover ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RLZiegler@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 21:23:00 -0500 Subject: Valve seizing, hand trottle, OD Valve Seizing: I ran into valve seizing some years ago with several L/R heads that were done at a machine shop I had used for years. After contacting the manufacturer of the valves (in England) it was decided that there was not enough clearance between the valve stem and guide after reaming and upon heat of running. The machinist assured me that he had reamed the guides after installation and I believed him. However, his reamer may have been somewhat worn. At any rate the series 3 shop manual gives the range for a finished exhaust guide to be 0.3435 in. to 0.3450 in. Between the valve manufacturer, the machinist, and I it was decided that only the largest specification (0.3450 in.) would be used hense forth. I have not had any valve seizing troubles since that time (early 1980's). It is not often that I disagree with B. Maloney, but , his advice about not using the headgasket with graduated water passages is wrong. First I don't think any of the non-graduated gaskets exist and if I found one in my collection I'd throw it out. Back in their day, I and other mechanics found a lot of heads cracked and L/R's answer to this problem was the graduated water passages. This resulted in a lot less head cracking. As per previous advisers in this digest, make sure you do not install headgaskets backwards; the smallest passages go to the front of the engine and the largest to the rear. Also smear copper headgaskets with engine oil just before installation and the new composition type with the steel rings at the cylinder edge go on dry. I would not intentionally run the engine without valve guide seals as the oil consumption would increase as would contamination of the oil that stays in the engine. (Sorta like them swivel balls - oil leaks OUT and water gets IN.) Hand throttle: Was an option on all series L/Rs. I ordered it as an option on my 63 SIIA in Apr. 1963 (horizontally mounted under instrument cluster) and my 74 SIII had one on it when I bought it 3rd hand (vertically mounted on firewall)(I've seen plenty of SIIIs without hand throttle). Overdrive shifting problem: Mike, Using Maloney's advise about the pinch bolt, factory spec calls for there to be 0.10 inch between the large gear you see to the rear and the closest edge (to that gear) of the synchro unit when in normal range. I use the required number of feeler gauges to accomplish this. Hope this helps some of you, Rich Ziegler, L/R mechanic '63 88 SW (in pieces) '74 88 hard top ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:20:15 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU> Subject: Re: Valve seizing Hey Rich, glad to se that you are alive and kicking! I'm student teaching at a BOCES engine rebuilding lab...Friday one of the students put new cast iron guides in a 318 chrysler head....used a .383 reamer...new from the package...miked out at "Hey! .383!"...the new valve miked out at .3812 Ok fine.....reamed the guide...the valve would only go in part way...huh....ream from the other side.....part way...hmmmmmmm check with other valves...part way...put that valve in other guides.....slip-slide....???????????? valve's not bent.....what the heck????? dial bore gauge the hole...... .3832-2ish...all the way down.....all the way around.......\re-mike the valve.....fine..up and down and all around......"I'm getting *very* angry, Earthling!" mutter mutter mutter mutter........."Look, kid...go get a 1/4 inch dowel from the wood shop...split the end, fold a piece of sand paper in the slot...get the drill and come back..........*HONED* the damn thing....geeeeeese.... All I could remember was telling the kids that "..If you use the proper tools and measure correctly you will *never* have a problem....." right..........we have 300,00 dollars worth of machinery and I'm honeing with a stick..... I do belive that I'll relive the guides a bit when I do the rover diesel....can't have any sticking valves..."Valve?, meet Piston...Piston?...meet valve..."....yes sir...where's that stick?....... steve..... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Sanna@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:41:07 -0500 Subject: Re: _THE_ survey - who's who on the land rover owner list... Sanna, Anthony Madison, Wisconsin, USA '70 IIa 88 - 300+K, '89 Range Rover - 78K no clubs ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:47:25 -0500
Subject: Who's Who
Surname: Sanna
Called_Names: Anthony
County/State: Wisconsin
Country(US,UK): US
Club: none
type/wb year body engine name
Vehicle: SII - 88 '70 canvas 2.25 Lulubelle
Vehicle: RR '89 4dr 3.9 Annabelle
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]Date: 18 Feb 95 23:54:25 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid, OH" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: How Much better are Mil Taylor Writes: >> How much "better" are the military Series IIA's than your basic >> IIA? I see all sorts of stuff about strengthened chassi, engine oil >> cooler (means the engine was oil cooled?), duel fuel tanks (30 gal >> US?), and heavy duty electrical systems. What's the catch? Only >> diesel? Much much louder? What? Help me out. The Sgt. Major is a Fmr. Military. Here are the differences: Double Bumpers on front and convoy bumpers on rear; Military lighting (blackout position on the lightswitch); wiring for command trailer; military headlights that use a bulb; gun mounts (for an FN-FAL); additional bracing for the front fenders (underneath); oil cooler -- to keep the oil at a suitable operating temperature in hot conditions so it does not break down causing your engine to seize -- (a pain in the a** in Ohio, since the car never gets hot enough to get off choke. An oil cooler is great in TX and the South, though); 8-blade 'Africa' fan; double-core radiator (see comment re. oil cooler); different rear crossmember; side lights that are arranged vertically instead of horizintally; pintle hitch; dual tanks with a switch (tanks fill from under the seats); and a different softtop with radio cable passthroughs. It is not louder, it is not diesel, it is really not any different from "civilian" Land Rovers. Definitely no more capable off-road than any other of its bretheren, but if you like old military stuff, it's a fun way to go. ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950228 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:36:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Still more 88" Series IIA Questions (Play:temp/elmmsg.tmp)
On Fri, 17 Feb 1995 tia!taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu wrote:
> Hi guys/gals...
> Here are some more questions for ya'll to chew on. The fact is, I just got
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> better idea about these trucks and it didn't once show me what the inside
> an 88" SIIA looks like! I was very disappointed.
I know the pictures aren't all in colour and there is only about
one a page, but have you read the text yet?
Re: Canvas top windows - optional
Re: Safari (double) roof - optional
Re: Oil cooler - LR doesn't make oil cooled engines. Cools
engine oil
Re: Military - comes in petrol versions. Just as quiet/noisy as
a civilian engine.
Re: Headlamps & winch - my headlamps are even higher than a Koenig
winch. Not a problem.
Re: Spare mounting - Doesn't get in the way on the bonnet.
- can be mounted on rear door
- can be mounted on rear bulkhead behind
centre front seat in back
Rgds,
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