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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:42:56 +0000 (WET)
From: "Ryan K. Haaland" <haaland@atm.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: SWB Series IIA for sale

Notice to UK readers.

I, regretfully, must part with my B Reg, 1963 Series IIA SWB.  It has a
hard top and is in fair condition.  I bought it as a project vehicle and,
as a DPhil student in my last year here at Oxford, just don't have the
time to give it the attention it requires.  I'm looking for something a 
little bit newer to ship back to the states the end of this year.

I'd like to get 450 pounds for it.  I paid that for it a little over a 
year ago and have put some hours and new bits into it.  If you are 
interested, e-mail me at haaland@atm.ox.ac.uk.  Or, since I'll be working 
at home this weekend, call me at 0869 244 106.  I live in Bicester, 
Oxfordshire, just off the M40.

Thanks!
Ryan Haaland

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Subject: Re: I need a geography lesson.. Where's Solihill?
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:04:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk>

DEBROWN@srp.gov writes:
> FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
> SUBJECT: I need a geography lesson.. Where's Solihill? (spelling?)
none

Solihull ... about 5 minutes from here (sorry that doesn't help you
much does it) ... South Birmingham (Birmingham sort of runs into
Solihull) ... If you have major roads on your map then the factory is
to the West of the A45 (opposite side of the road to Birmingam
International Airport), just North of the M42.

Hope this helps

	Rich

-- 
 _ __            Apricot Computer Limited    Tel:   (+44) 21 717 7171
' )  )      /    3500 Parkside               Fax:   (+44) 21 717 0123
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Richard Jones    United Kingdom                     ..!uknet!apricot!richardj

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Subject: Re: land vs. range
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:24:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk>

DCagen@aol.com writes:
> I'm a new Rover owner (95 Disco) and have enjoyed reading this list for the
> last few weeks.  I need a synopsis of Rover history - were Land Rover and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>  Sorry this is so basic.  I want to make sure I understand the heritage of
> these noble vehicals.

Range Rover is officially the Land Rover Range Rover, always been part
of the same company, be it Rover, British Leyland, Land Rover, Rover
Group.  There has been quite a lot of confusion over the years, which
probably had a lot to do with the introduction of the Defender name.

> Thank you.
> DCagen@aol.com

-- 
 _ __            Apricot Computer Limited    Tel:   (+44) 21 717 7171
' )  )      /    3500 Parkside               Fax:   (+44) 21 717 0123
 /--' o _. /_    Birmingham Business Park
/  \_<_(__/ <_   BIRMINGHAM  B37 7YS         Email: richardj@apricot.co.uk
Richard Jones    United Kingdom                     ..!uknet!apricot!richardj

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:58:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: land vs. range

On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, Richard Jones wrote:

> Range Rover is officially the Land Rover Range Rover, always been part
> of the same company, be it Rover, British Leyland, Land Rover, Rover
> Group.  There has been quite a lot of confusion over the years, which
> probably had a lot to do with the introduction of the Defender name.

             
British Motor Corp  -> \
			>--> BLMC -> BL -> Jaguar  -> Austin -> Rover
British Leyland     -> /                   Rover      Rover     Group
        /                                  Triumph
Rover -

	Rover Group -> Land Rover (Purchased by BMW in '94)

Rootes/Humber/Sunbeam -> Chrysler
Austin & Morris       => British Motor Corp.

et cetera et cetera....

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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 09:17:31 -0600
From: bruce@ridyn.hsv.rockwell.com (Bruce B. Epps)
Subject: Land Rover info address

Whoever,

I am trying to subsribe to a Land Rover info exchange address, but am not
having any success using the following address given to me:

        land-rover-owner-request@stratus.com

Anyone out there that can help me?

much thanks, 

bruce epps
bruce@ridyn.hsv.rockwell.com

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From: ROB@HARV-EHS.mhs.harvard.edu
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 10:02:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: count me in!

Hello there,

     As a new subscriber I thought I'd offer a quick bio...I've read the 
FAQ and am evaluated the possibility of entering the "owner status" My 
background with regard to 4 wheel drives is limited to various 
experiences with (brace yourself) Toyota land cruisers.....Still there? 
........Hello? Well, anyway....right know I'm assembling reference 
material for doing some "homework" so far it looks as though my interests 
are primarily in a 109..four door possibly....I like to carry alot of 
"stuff" with me when I travel and I also like to bring lots of 
friends....I may also investigate the possibility of long slow project 
car of the 88 variety......(my father in law would flip at a retirement 
gift of this nature as I think he used to have an 88 many many years 
ago......)

     Having read (but not memorized) the FAQ I was wondering why the 6 
cylinder engine would reduce the value of a 109?......Are parts less 
available? Are head corrosion/warpage/burnt valves that 
problematic/prevalent?

     I'd welcome input regarding offerings....or any other info. that 
would help me get started.......I get anxious everytime I see one of 
those darned land rovers!
Rob M
Concord, MA USA
rob@harv-ehs.mhs.harvard.edu

PS I enjoy the Land rover "lore" as well (the moose story) I recall 
speaking with a woman about five years ago recalling her dad's former 
land rover....She told me of filleting fish on the fender (wing??? I have 
alot to learn) when she was a kid. Anyway back to work!

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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 10:23:12 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Robert's Mercruiser Transplant

Talked to Robert Davis this AM - he's been driving his Mercruiser 109 for
about 100 miles now.  For those who came in late, Robert has taken a
Mercruiser marine engine, basically a 4 cyl. 3.0 liter, long-stroke version
of the Chevy "Iron Duke" 151 and fitted it to his 109.  Pumping out 140 hp,
Robert states that "no one follows him on the Interstate anymore,"  and at
70 mph, there is still plenty of room on the throttle.

Fitment is straightforward, as the engine is *smaller* than the Rover.
Exhaust and radiator plumbing were unmodified.  The only drawback is that
the starter is on the opposite side of the engine and nearly fouls the
front prop shaft.  Robert plans on replacing it with a solid 1" shaft
rather than the tubular Rover unit to gain clearance.  Because of the
increased torque, he would also reccommend "taller" gearing.  I believe he
has the 4.7 rearend right now.  Robert says its almost scarry how much
power the Rover has now.  Look for a step-by-step "how to" story in the
next issue of "The Gearbox."

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Robert's Mercruiser Transplant
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 15:53:33 GMT

Sandy,
No-one follows *me* on the road with my 2.25 diesel,either.
They're all in front!

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: land vs. range
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:15:27 -0700 (MST)

Richard Jones of 5 miles from Solihull writes:

<  There has been quite a lot of confusion over the years, which
< probably had a lot to do with the introduction of the Defender name.

On the state side of the pond, there is greater cause for confusion.  
Americans can be forgiven for thinking Range Rover came first.  Land 
Rover disappeared in 1974 and Range Rover was introduced in 1987, and the 
marketing wise men (guys?) deliberately avoided making any connection.  
The outfit here was called Range Rover of North America, and stayed that 
way until the very recent introduction of Defender and Disco to these 
shores.  Then they were in a real dither whether or not to admit they 
were all related, and who came first.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 11:40:27 EST
From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hello all:
Really miss the net hope all is up and running ---  because my 109 is
There is only one word to describe it, increadable.
The Mercruiser 140 runs smooth (espically at idle 600 rpm) and the 
performance is fantastic.  It is (in my opinion & I have first hand knowledge)
the only way to power a Land Rover.  Economy is about the same with
the original 4.7 ratio + overdrive.  Hopefully it will improve with
the 3.9 diffs that are not yet installed.  On the down side I'm having a
front driveshaft manufactured.  The original was too close to the starter
and may have made contact while at full rebound.  I am excited !
Sandy, Diesel Bob, and Wiley Browning are comming out this weekend
to test drive.  I even need to install a remote booster (from Mini-Mania)
to improve the breaking, which is needed because of the extra power.
Extra power - I love that phrase!
Well gotta go - could get in trouble for this message (petty people
exist in 1995).
Miss you all
Your friend and fellow enthasist1
R&D

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Date: 03 Feb 95 10:15:24 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Holy Smoke - a Weber!

I vaguely recall that someone - I think a LR newbie? - complained about a
4-cyl. petrol smoking w/power loss, fitted with a Weber carb... yeah, sounds
familiar. Seems no-one has relieved him yet, so maybe I'll take charge.
"The Weber" as we know it ... blah blah ... is prone to congestion by dust/
filth/debris/flakes from bad air filter/dusty environment/rusted tank/bad
petrol etc., and there even have been accounts of brand new Webers out of
the factory box that had metal filings and other manufacture related crap
*inside* the float chamber. The Weber, even more so than other carbs, takes
unkindly to foreign matter living inside him. Typically at wide throttle
openings and high revs some of the kaka floating around in the chamber is
sucked up into the needle valve, blocking it and causing a float chamber 
overflow, which in turn causes - see above - loss of power with camouflage
smoke screen. I experienced this phenomenon after returning from Jordania
and Egypt where I had ingested megagallons of cheap, filthy, contaminated
petrol, something around 75 octanes often laced with diesel/water/camel urine 
or whatever. A week later the engine (also Weber) began acting up, just like
yours. Applied my usual remedy (..."when it stops dead I'll have plenty of 
time to look at it; as long as it moves... bugger"). Well, after 2-3 weeks 
the problem disappeared as suddenly as it had started. Suppose all the crap 
was eventually passed through the valve and fired out through the exaust, 
or the higher grade petrol helped to dissolve it.

So, you'll probably have to take the thing apart and clean out the float
chamber, jets and needle valve, preferably with compressed air. Get a new set
of gaskets before you do (not the entire overhaul kit!). While you're at it
fit an inline fuel filter, the petrol pump filter isn't fine enough for
Webers, even _if_ it isn't perforated.  Good luck...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:55:18 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Re: land vs. range

> Where can I get more historical info?
> Sorry this is so basic.  I want to make sure I understand the heritage of
>these noble vehicals.

Same company - try writing to
        majordomo@team.net
with the text
        get lro-digest faq.complete

It's got various bits of history and a good bibliography...

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:26:13 +0000
From: Steve Firth <steve@firthcom.demon.co.uk>
Subject: land vs. range

DCagen@aol.com wrote:

>were Land Rover and Range Rover two separate companies?

No bless you, Land Rover is the one and only company, with a somewhat
tortuous history of state/private ownership. In fact they were always
thought of as just plain old "Rover" with Land and Range being different
models from the line up.

I think we have David Bache (recently deceased) to thank for the looks of
our favourite toy. He was responsible for the styling differences between
Series I and II Land Rovers and for the distinctive looks of the Range
Rover. He was educated as an engineer, not as a stylist. Which may explain
why the Land Rover series has evaded the here today, gone tomorrow looks of
its competitors.

.............................................................................
                                                     Firth Consulting
Stephen Firth                                           Support Services
   steve@firthcom.demon.co.uk  CIS: 100023,3414            for Biotechnology

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:43:15 +1100
Subject:       Tire Size

For Chris (sekerere@aol.com) and other LRO's:

    The tires you have on your Land Rover 88 now (31x10.50 R15LT's) 
are way too large.  Land Rovers already have a terrible turning radius 
and these tires exasperate this even further.  Also, the tires 
probably stick out wider than the Land Rovers body.  This increases 
the width needed to drive through tight spaces and can also spray 
small rocks and debris on the Rovers side panels.

    But the main reason why one should not use tires this size is 
that Rover's little 2.25L engine is robbed of more power to turn 
these tire/wheel combinations.  The energy needed to overcome the 
tires centrifugal force is exponentially greater when one increases 
the overall tire/wheel radius.

    Normally, the Land Rover with 15" wheels use the 235R15's.  To 
get a little extra clearance, use the 30x9.50R15LT's.  This size 
would be a good comprimise between the 235's and the 31's.

    I just put a set of Yokohama Supper Diggers 30x9.50's on my L/R 
88 ($69.00/ea at Costco).  It has increased it's clearance, they do 
not stick out, and I think they even weigh less than my old Goodrich 
T/A 235's.  They also look great on an 88, but that's purely 
subjective.  Next weekend we have a three day Rover Run over some 
fairly rough terrain on the eastern slopes of Washington's Cascade 
Mountains.  I will update everone on how these Yokohamas performed.

Safe Rovering,

John Benham
1968 88 `Bwana Mobile'

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 10:48:58 PST
From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch)
Subject: RE: Jackob's Electronics

For the question on how the omni-pak installs.

I bought an Omni-Pak for my International Travelall but my engine
was allready in top shape so I could not really tell instinctly
how much gain I got from it.  Also, I did not have it installed long
enough to do any real tests ( I have to sell it to help pay for 
my new 1970 series IIA 88").

I am installing the Omni-Pak on the Rover now but I can not tell
you of the performance increase there either as I am awaiting my
gearbox from Scotty.  When I get the Rover running maybe I will
do some tests and report them back to the list.

The Omni-Pak I bought came with zero impeadance cables to replace
your stock plug cables.  Here is the process:

* Replace the plug wires
* Get new spark plugs and change the gap from .030 to ~.055
	Jackob's suggests Autolites and stresses NOT to use
	Split-Fires as they are a waiste of $$ and get fouled quickly.
* Disconnect the High Tension lead from the coil to the distributor and
	attach it somewhere in the engine compartment or in your glove
	box.  In the unlikely event the Jackob's fails you will need it.
* Jackob's supplies a cable that grounds the original coil.  Plug the 
	cable into the coil and attach the other end to to the nearest ground.
* Mount the Omni pack in a well vented area, not where it will be exposed to
	excessive engine heat.
* Attach the Jackob's supplied high tension lead from Omni-Pack to the
	distibutor.  There are only three wires left and one is a ground.
* Attach the ground wire from the pack to a suitable ground.
* Attach the red power wire (with inline fuse) to the positive battery term.
* Finally attach the trigger wire to were the trigger wire attaches to 
	the existing coil.
* You are ready to rock n roll!

Jackob's also told me that I could decrease the points gap to help save
them.  Apparently the Omni-Pack can, by measuring resistance accross the
spark gap, reignite unburnt fuel, adjust for temperature, humidity, and
preasure.  They claim something like 98% fuel burning, which is pretty
amazing if it is true.  The internal coil can apparently send multiple
sparks on one stroke if the flame goes out.

If the Omni-Pak ever fails then all you have to do is unplug the grounding
cable from your stock coil and reconnect the coil to the distibutor.  That
is it.  No tools involved.

Oh, by the way, I also bought Dr. Jackob's book on optimizing your 
ignition.  In it he states that it is his oppinion and experience
that Lucas is the absolute worst ignition there is and that Bocsh (sp?)
is close to it.  I do not recall what he thinks is the best.  In
his book he explains how to make a cheap system to measure your peak
horse power, peak torque, etc...

If people are really interested in some performance numbers for the
Rover 2.25 then maybe I will set some tests up with and without the
Omni-Pack

Jason LaBranch				| To find your way, look within!
Parallel Products Group			|	-- AAA Road Atlas
Sybase Engineering  (510) 922-4690	|

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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 15:43:23 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Re: Chris' wanderings

Chris writes:

none
Also the thing seems to want to veer to either side as I drive it. Almost as
if it wants to follow every crack, bump and ripple in the road. Is this a
problem. My local mechanic has checked the vehicle out and says there isn't
really anything wrong. Maybe it's just the way a LR drives?
none

No.  It should be relatively responsive (for a truck).  Try the following:

1.  Check tire pressures
2.  Tighten spring shackles (loosen lock nut 1st).  Check for disintigrating
    bushings (rubber missing or peeling out).
3.  Check tie rod ends for looseness (look at each while someone rocks the 
    steering wheel back & forth).  Check steering relay in same fashion
    (and check it for oil).
4.  Jack up each wheel & shake (the wheel, that is).  Side to side & to to 
    bottom looseness = bearing pre-load needs adjusting.  Top to bottom only
    loosensess = worn swivel pins. 
5.  Adjust steering box (is there oil in it?).  Loosen lock nut.  Clean all
    the crud off the threads and spray WD-40 or something similar on the 
    threads- work the adjuster until it turns freely.  Turn it in gently 
    until you begin to feel resistance.  Tighten the locknut.
6.  Check your alignment (toe in is the only adjustable part of the 
    alignment).

Ooops!  Almost forgot!  Oversized tires will make it wander too (duh).  I run 
235 70R-15s on my 88.  It tracks pretty well on the highway.  I hear other 
folks like 7.5R-16s even better.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 12:52:45 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

> the only way to power a Land Rover.  Economy is about the same with
> the original 4.7 ratio + overdrive.  Hopefully it will improve with
> the 3.9 diffs that are not yet installed.  On the down side I'm having a
> front driveshaft manufactured.  

  Note the lack of reference to off-road performance. Just wait till he gets
stuck in the mud from wheel spin, because there is no low end torque. This
is another successful conversion from a Land Rover to an ugly Blazer.

R, bg

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 12:54:31 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Land-Rover Tyres

Chris,

Regarding your questions about the tyres on your 1966 88" Land-Rover:

>My new beast has tyres that look like they are too big for it. They stick out
>from the body by 1 - 2 inches. They are 31 x 10.50 15LTs. Can anyone tell me
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>problem. My local mechanic has checked the vehicle out and says there isn't
>really anything wrong. Maybe it's just the way a LR drives?
I ran Armstrong Norseman Treadlok Radials in size 31x10.50x15 for years and 
was very happy with them.  So happy in fact that recently, when I sold that 
Land-Rover to Jason LaBranch, I insisted on keeping them to put on another 
of my Land-Rovers. Mine are mounted on factory-looking custom steel wheels 
that are 8.0 inches wide.  I have also tried putting 31x10.50s on the stock 
6.0-inch-wide wheels.  This did not work for me.  They never would seat 
properly and so tended to go flat and were also, in effect, rather 
out-of-round, with the bead down in some places and up in others.  The 
particular tyres that I tried this with, if it matters, were Firestone ATX 
all-terrains.  Jory Bell, also on this list, though, has this size tyre on 
stock rims and his seem to seat O.K.  You might ask him for more details on 
his experience with this set-up.  I forget what brand his are.

Although I was always concerned that I might get cited by the Highway Patrol 
for the tyres sticking out of the wheel wells, I never did (ran those wheels 
on that Land-Rover for roughly ten years and on another for a couple before 
that and 10" wheels for about five years before that).  When I first put the 
wide wheels on this Land-Rover, I had trouble with wander and shimmy but 
this proved to be because of worn-out spring and shock bushings, low oil in 
the steering relay box, and worn-out tie-rod ends (ball joints).  Once I 
oiled up the relay, adjusted the play in the main steering box, replaced all 
six ball joints, and replaced all spring and shock bushings, it was fine.  I 
always intended to put on a steering stabilizer but never did.

Hope this helps, Granville
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:03:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Ahem, maybe Bill didn't read the fabulous storyline by our
Rover-journalist Granville Pool.  On that slick hill, in the
dark, on our way out of the forest- mine was the only Rover to
make it up on its own power.  I attributed it to my being able 
to take the hill in a higher gear, hence greater continuous momentum
and less wheel spin.  Although I had tall tires (235-85-16), they
were severely lacking tread (>40K miles on them).  Oh, ya.  I have
a Chevy 250 truck motor under the bonnet.  Go figure......

I'm not saying the Chevy mill conversions are better;  Vance, Jory,
and Jim went everywhere I went.  Jory even "bounced" past me on one
uphill section.  But it works well for me and many other Rover owners.
This purist attitude is fine, just like bible thumpin' christians are
fine.  Just don't judge the rest of us by your self righteous standards.

In my not-so-humble opinion, the Land Rover was designed to be a 
flexible, all purpose vehicle.  Many of them have been modified throughout
the world to accomodate specific terrain or requirements.  I talked to 
a guy from Canberra, Australia and he said all his "mates" have Rovers, but
they all use Holden (G.M.) motors in them.  It gets them to the
fishing site, and are much less expensive to maintain.  The simplicity
and functionality of Land Rover is what makes them such a legendary vehicle,
not some leaky cast iron block.

Cheers,

Morgan

On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, William L. Grouell wrote:

> > the only way to power a Land Rover.  Economy is about the same with
> > the original 4.7 ratio + overdrive.  Hopefully it will improve with
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> is another successful conversion from a Land Rover to an ugly Blazer.
> R, bg

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:32:24 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

> a Chevy 250 truck motor under the bonnet.  Go figure......
              ^^^^^

           
           not boat?

and... do you have 3.9 diffs?

  Setting up a Land Rover as a Calfornia freeway cruiser does not make any
sense to me. You can buy complete vehicles that are better suited for less
that the cost of the adaptor. Why bother? Just my opinion, you are welcome
to yours. Shall we ask Terri Ann if she ever put that Plymouth engine in
her TR-3 because it has more power and parts are cheap? Maybe we better
just leave it alone.

R, bg

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: land vs. range
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 18:13:01 EST

> In the beginning God created Land Rover.  And God saw the Land Rover, 
> that it was good.  And God said It is not good that the Land Rover should 
> be alone.  And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Land Rover, 
> and he slept: and he took one of his oil leaks, and closed up the tranny 
> thereof.....

hold it, hold it...you got it wrong here....this should read:

Then, white man came along.....and he:

> made a Range Rover.....

always blaming someone for our troubles,
rd/nigel

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Robert's Mercruiser Transplant
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 18:40:52 EST

> Exhaust and radiator plumbing were unmodified.  The only drawback is that
> the starter is on the opposite side of the engine and nearly fouls the
> front prop shaft.  Robert plans on replacing it with a solid 1" shaft
> rather than the tubular Rover unit to gain clearance.  Because of the

Wahoa, there.....*solid* 1" shaft???  Dis gonna work??  He gonna 
bust motor mounts???  The shaft has got to be able to move fore and
aft as the front axle moves up and down, no???

Nigel had a frozen front prop shaft awhile back.  Every bump I hit
my tranny got jolted....

me don't thinks he can get away with a shaft that can't move...,
but I'm sure Robert will figure it out,
rd/nige

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:16:33 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In message <9502032232.AA13891@elephino.eng.sun.com> William L. Grouell writes:
> > a Chevy 250 truck motor under the bonnet.  Go figure......
>               ^^^^^
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> her TR-3 because it has more power and parts are cheap? Maybe we better
> just leave it alone.
> R, bg

Nope, my TR3 stays stock..except for the DCOE Webbers, exhaust header, electric 
fan, external oil cooler, spin on filter adaptor......

However, having put over 250K miles on my Land Rover since '78, having put a 
second petrol tank under the drivers seat, having put a door in the side for 
access to the propane tank, having spent days on the road with truck drivers 
saying bad things about me over the CB, having ended up in first gear to pull a 
horse trailer loaded with two horses up a long grade, having a fully rebuilt 
Land Rover engine that is totally worn out at 11K miles from a fellow Land Rover
owner pouring dirt in my engine, having to face a mew rebuild...  That Mercruser
motor is looking mighty good to me.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: 03 Feb 95 20:56:35 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Wheels and steering

Solihull  ( Mecca) is E.S.E of Birmingham, often included in the Birmingham
suburbs, just inside the M42 motorway on the A45 Coventry rd, also close to east
midlands airport if that figures on your map.

 Chris your handling problems are associated with the wide tyres, if not the
cause , certainly a contributor, try a tyre change first, even if it is only
borrowing some from a friend to try,  check your steering box, track rod ends,
steering idler and swivel pin bearings.
 The wide tyres change the  steering geometry in addition to catching every
minorchange in the road surface.
 At best the steering is a bit woolly, learn to focus  a hundred yards in front
of you, not on the front of the bonnet ( hood )  and relax, do not try to chase
minor deviations in course, hold the wheel steady and you'll go straight, start
trying to correct minor deviations and you will forever be moving the wheel to
and fro.
  
the spoked steel wheels were introduced on the disco, and fitted to the fleet
model range rovers. at the start most disco owners changed them for either the
alloys or aftermarket wheels, there were plenty of used ones around in the UK
for 15 to bucks each, the price has risen a bit since then,
 in the UK the 5.5' can be bought new for around 40 bucks. 
 the UK 90'sand 110's  are fitted with the standard pattern wheels fitted to ser
2a LWB's since 1968. some 90's were supplied with the earlier pattern rr rostyle
wheels.
 the 7" wheels fitted to the 130 are very good, same as the forward control 110,
of the late sixties.
 the alloys are very tough wheels, and if kept clean will stay in good condition
for a long time,  watch out for careless tyre fitters.

  Regards    Bill Leacock     Limey in exile.

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 18:04:59 PST
Subject: More!

> In the beginning God created Land Rover.  And God saw the Land Rover, 
> that it was good.  And God said It is not good that the Land Rover should 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> our Lord 1970.  Here endeth the lesson.
> (In the next lesson, we learn how Landy and Rangey had 2 sons, Def and 
> Disco, and how Disco killed Def -- ??)

Please go on!

- Stephen

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| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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From: RLZiegler@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 22:03:11 -0500
Subject: Marcus differential

Marcus,
Since you mention ten capscrews you have a Rover type differential. The
torque on the crown wheel capscrews should be 35 ft/lbs on 8 capscrews and 45
ft/lbs on the 2 special capscrews ( the two with the slightly larger shoulder
diameter).  These special capscrews should be placed 180 deg. away from one
another and should be torqued before the other 8 are.  The 60-70 ft/lb torque
you used is for the ENV type diffs. It's no wonder at least one of the
capscrews sheered when you installed it at the higher torque.
As for the steering, if you are experiencing play in the steering wheel when
the vehicle is stopped then the information already given by Russel D. is a
start.  Look for other things that might be loose:  steering relay parts,
arms on swivel housings, and even road spring 'U'bolts.  If what you are
describing as steering play is wandering on the straight and level while
moving, then what is probably wrong is tightness in the steering system.
 This is checked for by getting the front wheels off the ground and turning
from lock to lock.  If it feels stiff then the first thing I check is the
steering relay resistance to rotation which should be not less than 12 lbs.
or more than 16 lbs.  I could go on but will stop here until further
questions are asked.
Rich Ziegler
63 SW 88 original owner
74 88 hardtop 3rd owner

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 02:14:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: land vs. range

Father Mills, keeper of Tomes, quotes from the Book of Whitworth...
 
> In the beginning God created Land Rover.  And God saw the Land Rover, 
> that it was good.  And God said It is not good that the Land Rover should 
.................
> chassis, and Lucas of my Lucas: she shall be called Range Rover because 
> she was taken out of Land Rover.  And this came to pass in the year of 
> our Lord 1970.  Here endeth the lesson.
none

Praise be the Woodruff Key!

Actually, Rover tried to "upscale" the image of the Land Rover in the 1950's
by trying to produce a more civilized Land Rover based vehicle. They used a
P4 chassis with a 2WD drive train. The resulting vehicle was called a "Road
Rover" but it never went into production.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Head Gaskets
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 23:22:26 PST

David-
You mentioned these head gaskets that have problems.  When I talked to Marty
at British Pacific, he said the problem was only in the Gasket Sets, not
the seperate LR head gasket.  I hope he is right.  My '73 has been completely
rebuilt with a new 'high' performance head from Turner engineering.  It has
not been fired up yet, but I would sure hate to overheat it before I ever
get to drive it!
Kelly Minnick  '73 Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Trailers
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 23:27:16 PST

RE: Trailers
I agree that these are great/rugged trailers for the money.  Have a friend
who bought one (actualy one plus 2 parts) at an auction for $150.  Went
four wheeling.  In our narrow canyons, this can be a problem.  We got stuck
at a dead end with this trailer on the back!  Had to dis-connect and move
the loaded trailer back by hand.  Just be careful where you go off-road with
this extra length/mobility liability!
Kelly Minnick  '73 Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Tires
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 23:31:28 PST

RE: Large tires
I have seen a couple 'butchered' LR rims where they cut the centers out of
a 16" LR rim and welded it to the rim portion of a Dick Cepeck (sp?) rim.
These vehicles were running the 12.5 X 15's.  Wandered all over the place,
but I guess they do ok in the sand.  Wouldn't recommend it!  Also, check
the toe value on the truck.
Kelly Minnick  '73 Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Genesis
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 23:34:58 PST

RE: Genesis
Tom-
Enjoyed your Genesis.  Did LR also eat the forbidden fruit of Leyland and
therefore forced from the Garden of England - forced to toil from the land
in Germany?
Kelly Minnick  '73 Safari
Rdigecrest, CA

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