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1 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu12Re: Land Rovers in tv drama
2 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu14Re: LRs on Wings of Eagles
3 ShaunC8958@aol.com 14Wings of Eagles
4 "David McKain" [MCKAIN@f41 New Subscriber
5 "David McKain" [MCKAIN@f11
6 Jimmy Patrick [jimmyp@ck2310 a penny?
7 Steven M Denis [denis@o18Re: New Subscriber
8 rluckwll@otto.tcd.ie (Ro71Message from an Irish Reupblic based LRO
9 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne104Mendo Forest Recon Pt3
10 S|ren Vels Christensen [27Re: Sliding
11 Benjamin Allan Smith [be19[not specified]
12 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne12Re: Rover Turbine
13 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne13Rovers on TV
14 "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" [727Rover Gas Turbines
15 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em20Re: Rovers on TV
16 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus43Re: Window Sealant
17 Steven M Denis [denis@o23Re: Window Sealant
18 sohearn@InterServ.Com 47Defender 90 Questions
19 jpappa01@InterServ.Com 24Re: D90 bonnet tire mount
20 LANDROVER@delphi.com 28Re: Land Rovers in Movies
21 LANDROVER@delphi.com 28Re: New Subscriber
22 LANDROVER@delphi.com 20Re: Message from an Irish Reupblic based
23 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne99Mendo Forest Recon Pt4
24 jory@org.org (jory bell)21Re: New Subscriber


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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in tv drama
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 9:04:05 GMT

Tod,
Not guilty milord.Twasnt me who said it wasnt worth cataloging
Land Rovers on film.Honest!

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: LRs on Wings of Eagles
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 9:15:40 GMT

Yep,I've read the book (yawn).Range Rovers,definitely.There a picture
of them.The way they got them was clever.A loyal Iranian went round
with stickers finding parked Range Rovers.The stickers read"If you
want to sell this,telephone this number".
They were eventually left as "gifts" for the border guards.Wonder
how one becomes a border guard?....
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: ShaunC8958@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:17:48 -0500
Subject: Wings of Eagles

I didn't read the Ken Follett book--I heard it on tape several years ago
during a long drive somewhere. I distinctly remember it was Range Rovers, not
Land Rovers, that Perot chose for their trek across the desert. I seem to
recall they bought five for $20,000 a piece (this was nearly 20 years ago)
because they were "the best four-wheel-drives in the world."
I rembered that line when I had the chance to buy mine last year...
Shaun Carrigan
'88 RR

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@faculty.coe.wvu.edu>
Date:          Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:03:06 EDT
Subject:       New Subscriber

Greetings and Salutations
I recently entered the world of Land Rover ownership 
by purchasing a '66 Series IIA 88" hard top. Currently, the
vehicle is reduced to bits and pieces for body/frame work.
A few of my co-workers are current and former LR owners
from South Africa and have been a great help in fixing
the engine, gearbox, and in general figuring out where everything
goes. Initial faults with the vehicle were a broken cam follower 
(the last engine rebuilder didn't check to see if the pushrod was
squarely in the follower socket), broken bushing in gearbox 
(kept jumping out of 3rd gear when engine braking), various 
electrical problems and rust.
Because the last owner put a camo black-green paint job
on (by hand) I was forced to strip the body down to
bare aluminum and treat body surfaces with dupont 225S and
226S before priming. The local Napa store mixed a light green and
dark green from color charts from '66. The dark green (Arden Green)
is a bit darker than I had thought but looks nice. I'm still staring 
at a major cash setback on all of the body seals and window channels 
(all that was left was a little felt and a lot of green fungus and 
moss).
I have two major questions: 1) The exhaust doughnut is partially 
eaten away although the rest of the exhaust is fairly new. Is there 
any way of fixing/replacing the doughnut for less than the cost of
a new front exhaust piece ($55-60 US) and 2) My insurance agency will
not give comprehensive coverage for my LR. When I finish the car 
after putting in hundreds of hours and a load of cash, I'd like to 
know how much the guy in the BMW (ha, ha) talking on is car phone 
when he broadsided me will have to cough up to fix/replace the 
vehicle (Officer, I think my neck hurts : translation - I didn't ever 
think I could afford that new Defender 90 I had my eyes on until 
now).
In closing, I'd like to say that it's nice to know that if I run into 
any difficulties along the way that there is a place like this where I can get 
much needed information.

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@faculty.coe.wvu.edu>
Date:          Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:36:39 EDT
Subject:       

get lro-digest faq.complete
David McKain
540 Burroughs St.
Morgantown, WV  26505
USA

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:50:23 -0500
From: Jimmy Patrick <jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: 10 a penny?

Mike said:

>Discos are ten a penny here.

Mike, I have a jar full up with pennies. I'll send you one penny, you send
me 10 Discoveries. Thanks. This sounds even a better deal than those
questionable Defenders in lots of 25 in the states. This isn't a scam is
it? The penny is in the mail.

Cheers!

jimmy patrick

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:44:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Subscriber

That "do-nut" is part of the pipe...and (drawing on *vast* sad experiences)
any repairs are unlikley to be worth the time and effort....Just how many 
times *DO* you want to take that pipe off and on?...believe me...if there 
was a way to save a buck!..........

steve........

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 17:04:11 GMT
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Subject: Message from an Irish Reupblic based LRO

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:41:41 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Mendo Forest Recon Pt3

Ahem,

Well, now, what to do?  Actually, in Part 2, I neglected to mention that we 
had earlier stopped at the foot of the Sylar Springs trail to consider the 
time and what we would do when we got to Bartlett Springs.  Would we turn 
toward Highway 20 (and home) or on to Letts Lake.  Or maybe out to Highway 
20 via the longer route over Hough Ridge and around the Indian Valley 
Reservoir.  As you will see when you join us in April, there are so many 
alluring possibilities...

Just as we were about to move on again, out of the mouth of the Sylar 
Springs trail came a full-sized Ford pickup-load of yahoos, right out of 
Deliverance with a couple of good ol' boys in front and a couple more (armed 
with shotguns, casually pointed up into the drizzle), and, of course, the 
requisite "b'ar dawg" in the back.  Hanging off the front bumper was a 
hitch-mount winch, you know, the kind that you carry in the back until you 
need it.  Appartently they needed it to reduce their approach angle to about 
20 degrees.  

So when we couldn't cross the creek, we started speculating about that 
trail.  Could we?  Should we?  Of course we knew we shouldn't; although we 
told ourselves it was not too late, it was.  In our hearts we knew it.  Was 
it hard to talk everyone into trying it?  No.  The opinion was unanimous, 
"If those yehus could make it, so could we.  A cooler head (was that you, 
Walt?) suggested that, before we turned our tracks onto that trail, we 
examine their tracks to determine whether they had simply come from 
somewhere or come and gone.  We examined the tracks for some time and 
discussed it some more finally someone (Vance?) reasoned, hey, we could go 
check it out faster than discussing it.  Silly, huh?  But now you know how 
we managed concensus of eleven brilliant minds...

Up the trail we went.  Challenging but no problem for such stalwarts as we!  
Big ol' waterbars, ruts, down trees, lots of brush.  Eventually, Vance (now 
in the lead), Jory, and I ground to a halt.  What happened to the rest of 
them.  Vance on the CB (gotta get me another one before the Scouting Outing 
II).  Trouble in paradise; Jim was not making it up the hill.  Aw, come on, 
Jim, you CAN do it.  He did, once he found low box (just pull the red handle 
back, old boy).  

We all moved ahead again but soon stopped once more.  This time, it was the 
views that stopped us.  Now, there were some fine views earlier but you 
gotta look hard for ones like this.  We were atop a ridge which was open 
meadow, with sweeping views in all directions for many, many miles.  Wow.  
This is what we came here for!  Considering how we had often been completely 
in the clouds, it seems remarkable that now, when we were up so high, the 
view was clear for miles.  On our right, we could see down to Wild Bill 
Place, from whence we had come, now quite far distant.  To the left, miles 
away and maybe a couple thousand feet below, was a deep valley with a most 
impressive waterfall.  Must go there next time!

Wait, stop.  Melanie just brought me an envelope from OVLR.  Whoa, Dixon, 
thanks!  It's the newletter that I have heard so much about.  O.K., O.K., 
I'll finish this, THEN open it.  Grumble, grumble, grumble... 

Oh, back to the ridge.  You have to come and see it, really.  Actually, part 
of what stopped us was that Vance's engine had lately been running on about 
two cylinders, apparently moisture in the distributor (we'd gone through a 
*couple* of puddles).  He got it running well enough, we all got some fotos, 
and grudgingly continued on.

The trail started falling off fairly rapidly and the scenery changing 
dramatically, from scattered pine stands and meadows to chemise brush.  The 
soil was different, too, more clay but also more rocks.  As the trail 
started to really drop off, Vance suddenly halted again.  I thought more 
ignition trouble and went to investigate.  No.  Having started to slide 
sideways and get squirrelly as the slope became quite steep, he was having 
second thoughts about continuing.

By now it was nearly 4:00 P.M., I think.  The decision should really have 
been instant:  Turn back.  Not us.  Vance, Holly, Jory, and I (is that 
right) walked (and slid) all the way to the bottom of the grade, maybe a 
quarter mile or less. Yes, there was yet another creek at the bottom but one 
we could easily cross.  The trail beyond the creek looked alright, as far as 
we could see.  But the steep downslope was quite rutted, had sizeable rocks 
sticking out (with our oil pans as targets), and other unsavory obstacles.  
Well, we could surely get down it but could we get back up it?  What if, as 
we by now realized was more than likely, we'd get stopped somewhere farther 
along?  Oh, we probably could all climb it O.K. but someone said he'd sooner 
spend the night than climb THAT in the dark.  Too right.

Enough, I said.  Hard as it is to accept that we have to go back the same 
way we came in, that's what we must do.  And so we did.  Now, you'd figure 
that if we came all that way with no serious problems, we could just as 
easily go back, right?  Wrong.

Mud bath in the dark, in Part 4.

Granville Pool, Redwood Valley, CA "Road-I-Land-Rovers"

P.S. This message was delayed because of problems with the mail host at 
Pacific Internet.  Sorry for this and for any mail that's getting bounced 
back to you.  Apparently my mail is going to be iffy for about a week, 
Pacific waiting for a new disk, unless he can get a backup in there for the 
interim.  

If you have trouble sending me mail, please send it to my alternate e-mail 
address:  Granville_Pool@RedwoodFN.org  

Thanks,  Gran

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 18:44:50 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Sliding

Hi

There's been some discussion on the list about braking without sliding.
This morning i stopped by at the grocer's to get some coffee to take to 
work. I didn't want to park at the small parking lot, - if someone else
parked i wouldn't be able to get out (109"). So i backed up and turned the
rear to a wall where i could park without being in the way of others. The
car was hardly moving but the surface was ice with water on top. BANG!
The light "cages" and the trailerhook saved the rear lights. But i'll have
to get new nets. The nets was pressed against the lights and stopped 0.000001
mm (approx) from the glasses.

Another thing. The city busses has a better turning ratio than Aurens. Except
when it's snowing. On my worn tires i turn the wheels all the way and hit the
accellerator then suddenly lift my foot. The car will start to turn. When 
it's pointing in the right direction i press the pedal and let got of the
steering wheel. The wheels will turn straight immediately and i can proceed.
Slow motion powersliding is FUN!. But it won't improve the fuel economy!!

Have FUN.

sv/aurens

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Subject: Re: Land Rover in adverts 
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 09:03:13 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	So far my favorite advert is a photocopy of one that I just got in the
mail from my parents.  (And no I don't know, offhand, where they got it).  The
photo is a US Defender 90 in the woods/jungle.  The large font title under the
picture is "What to drive in places where your're the food"

	The advert ends with: "While it's not exactly the least expensive 4x4,
the Defender offeres you that invaluable old English option.  To be or not to
be."

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications International Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:17:46 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Rover Turbine

Roy,

You asked about the history of the Rover Turbine.  Somewhere I've got some 
articles on this car.  I'll try to remember where and get back to you.
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[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 13:10:23 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Rovers on TV

If someone has already mentioned it, I appologize for bringing it up again.  
On the Loejoy Mysteries series on the A&E cable channel (my favorite show on 
telly right now), Lovejoy's sortagirlfriend Lady Jane Felsham drives a Range 
Rover most of the time (Ardennes Green).  There are often other Land-Rovers 
shown.  Bad guy in a recent episode drove a Discovery.  
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[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: 01 Feb 95 17:22:49 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Rover Gas Turbines

The sons f the rover gt are still around today, in the sixties the Alvis Co,
linked to Rover inthe BL days, made the gas turbines, in the late sixties they
sold the design / manufacturing rights to a company called Rotax Aircraft
Eqipment, a company that I worked for at the time, this company was a subsidiary
of our friend JOE, later became known as Lucas Aerospace Limited.
 They marketed a single shaft 60 hp engine for universities and colleges to
demonstate heat engines etc and dyno's, specific fuel consumption and all that.
this engine was also used as an auxiliary power unit on the cross channel
hovercrafts.
 They also marketed a twin shaft 150 hp engine which was used as  an auxiliary
power unit in the Nimrod aircraft.
 A futher development was the gas turbine engine starter for the Pegasus engine
in the Harrier jump jet which needs to be able to operate in isolated places. A
75 hp version,  It was on this particular ptoduct that I first visited the US in
1978 when we installed a starter in the Harrier AV8 B aircraft that was built by
Mcdonnell Douglas in St Louis Mo. These engines are still built today by Uncle
Joe.
 Back in the UK I have some original sales brochures from Rover for the engines
and further technical details if anyone wants more info.
 The above is from my memory which is suffering from the past twenty years of
working in the aluminium business, the dates are approximate. 
 Regards   Bill leacock     Limey in Exile

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 17:53:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Rovers on TV

On Wed, 1 Feb 1995, Granville Pool wrote:

> If someone has already mentioned it, I appologize for bringing it up again.  
> On the Loejoy Mysteries series on the A&E cable channel (my favorite show on 
> telly right now), Lovejoy's sortagirlfriend Lady Jane Felsham drives a Range 
> Rover most of the time (Ardennes Green).  There are often other Land-Rovers 
> shown.  Bad guy in a recent episode drove a Discovery.  

	If I recall correctly, Lady Jane's Range Rover is a Vogue SE.  
	With the front spoiler etc. it was a very rare RR in the UK at 
	the time.  Last weeks episode had a 127 with Electrical Board 
	markings on it parked outside his house.

	Others?  Lots besides Dr. Who.  The Avengers is another good source
	as are a great many (too many to list) British television series.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Window Sealant
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 19:11:23 EST

Kelly asks:
> RE: Window Sealant
> Ok.  Everyone has probably talked this to death.  But now that I have finished
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> I place the sealant in the center of the window channel, or towards one edge
> or the other?

Me also ponders this question.  Nigel leaks from the driver's side window,
and the leak hits me dead on the clutch foot (LHD), usually right where the
tongue of my shoe enters the shoe (ie the point where water gets your
foot wet instantly).  For quite some time I just got used to moving my
foot around, but I've gotten sick and tired of having Nigel all humidified
after a storm....so a week or so ago, after some heavy rains, I decided
to remove the trim and try to stop the leak.  I only used silicon sealant
to patch up and fortify the places where the rubber trim had gone awry
(do it Earl!-Schibe, that is).  It appeared to me that the trim left may
have been "butyl"...a really goooey rubber, but it didn't appear to be
rope shaped.  It was flattened out somewhat, and there appeared to be 
the same material but of different shape for the center section.  It
*may* be that the shape was initially "round like rope" but that with
35+ years of compression under the trim it assumed its current
conformation....The RN catalog lists "Sealer for Glass-sold per meter"
($5.70/meter, but this is the 1991 catalog and most prices have 
actually come down since then, perhaps due to all our bitchin' and
an upswing in awareness of the competition).

I would suggest that what you have may be the correct stuff, or near
enough.  I'd try to place it around the edge of all of the glass, in
between the edge and the metal framing where ever possible.  You may
find difficulty getting your trim back on, especially if 1/4" turns 
out to be too thick, as I even had some minor problems, even with a
spritz of silicon.

But, perhaps someone who has actually completed a *total* resto might
have some better advice.

rd/nige

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 21:03:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Window Sealant

The correct windscreen sealant is a roll of *flat* rubbery tape that is 
more or less sticky.(there are *2* versions it seems) and it is folded 
over the glass and therefore seals both the glass-to-metal seams...this 
is very important as glass does *not* have a sense of humor....if one 
uses the round "tape" on both sides of the glass, the pressure is too 
great and the screen cracks.....if you install it on one side only, the 
metal to glass seam causes the screem to break....gawd what a pain!
I'm just *guessing* all this....*I* would never ever actually *break* a 
windscreen...(liar liar liar liar liar!)
Pay the 7.50per......otherwise cries of anguish will fill the night.....

steve.......
"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 18:38:49 PST
Subject: Defender 90 Questions

Pierce wonders about the 90:

Steel wheels

Never seen 'em except in the sales literature I used to have (sorry). I'm
sure you can get 'em. Probably through a parts outlet after you've paid for
the alloys. They have five large spokes and are not unlike some Italian
sports car rims.

Spare on hood

Seen Tdi's in England with 'em so it should only be a matter of parts (mount
and supports?).

Insurance

No problem. Premium seems proportional to sales price. Actually better since
with State Farm you seem to pay the same whether it's stripped or loaded.

Used Defender's

Some others on the list have mentioned seeing ads and I heard of one second-
hand but otherwise with only 1468 in 1994 they're going to be relatively
hard to come across.

7500 miles later

Doing fine. Other than a few glitches the only headache has been a parking
brake that just loves to catch the drum. Right now it's backed off pretty far.
I think the dealer's going to get an opportunity to check it out real close
not to mention I don't think they know what a fender cover is.

Hope this is useful!

- Stephen

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| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 19:55:41 PST
Subject: Re: 	D90 bonnet tire mount

There is a genuine parts mounting kit for the D90/D110 bonnet. No problem. 
Chris Velonis put it on his 110 over a year ago w/no problems. UK and abroad 
can get it at their local emporiums - North America can obtain from RN or 
other parts houses - not dealer available at this time.

We've not received a single D90 at the dealership w/steel wheels. Yes, they 
are same as UK-spec. One problem was that the wheels were delayed due to DOT 
approval! Everything was sent in as alloys since they were already approved 
for Range Rover. The steel wheels are not the classic solid steel wheels of 
Series cars. They are (my opinion) rather hideous looking slotted steel rims 
which degrade the overall appearance of the D90. I think the alloys are a much 
smarter rim and have held up (two winters) around here at least quite well. 
But, beauty is in the eye...

Good luck!

Jim
Roverheadus defenderonium amazonius

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 1995 00:26:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in Movies

Kieth tells of lions and Land Rovers...
 
>     There's an old British technicolour movie from around 1955 called 
> "Simba" - - basically an action feature to do with the Mau-Mau in 
> colonial Kenya.
>     More to the point, there's lots of Series 1's -- at one stage a 
> lion jumps into an open-topped SWB to say howzit to the hero behind 

Here's another oldie... "Clarence the Cross-eyed Lion" (Disney??) My
favorite scene has Clarence "driving" an open-top SerI (or II.. I don't
remember). The Rover goes right through some couple's safari campsite. The
wife exclaims "Wasn't that a lion driving that jeep?" and the husband, very
proper British, sitting in a canvas chair, smoking his pipe and reading the
paper, looks up for a moment and says "It was a Land Rover, actually."

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 1995 00:27:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Subscriber

David..

Well.. another fool.. er, fellow has joined the ranks! Welcome! A finer
bunch of madmen cannot be found anywhere else!

As to your insurance question. You may want to try an appraiser for an
"official" value. As to insurance, you might want to consider an antique car
policy. It's cheap, and you can insure the vehicle up to whatever amount you
want. There are drawbacks however. Most policies have limitations on how
much you can drive.

You can probably find appraiser and insurance info in "Hemmings Motor News".
If you have never seen it, it's a monthly publication which caters to the
old car hobby. 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 1995 00:26:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Message from an Irish Reupblic based

I think they better cut back on the Harp's... Roger's sending us gibberish!

> --========================_6848204==_
> Content-Type: application/mac-binhex40; name="internet_first_letter"
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> (This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0)
> :&@PZG'9bEQ9d)'CTFR0d)'aPG(4PFJ"A4%*1690A4!%!!!!-!!!!!!"a8[ih!#-

etc, etc

Gee Roger.. now I gotta find BinHex..!!

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 22:10:58 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Mendo Forest Recon Pt4

Headin' home:

I seem to recall Morgan's saying, "Just a straight shot out of here." Or 
something to that effect.  And, indeed, it did seem that nothing could be 
simpler.  In the daylight.  Oh, yeah, it was getting pretty dark by now.  
The weather channel had said sunset at 5:30 but that's in clear weather and 
not in the mountains.  

And we had forgotten just how many of those unmapped and unmarked trails 
there were.  Several times, when we came to an intersection, we would have 
to stop to study it.  Morgan, fortunately, had a very powerful plug-in 
spotlamp to shine up the roads.  Even so, they tend to look pretty different 
in the dark.  Thankfully, Holly had an unerring recall of where we were.  It 
took longer than we bargained for to get out but we didn't actually make any 
wrong turns.  Like Morgan said, just a straight shot.

Until.  Until we came to a rather long hill that we had gone down earlier 
without a glitch.  Morgan, in the lead, got up just fine.  Jim was next and 
got maybe half way before his Rover slid off to the left and would go no 
more.  The rest of us waited with trepidation at the bottom of the hill 
while he struggled to gain a foothold.  No hope.  We all got out and ran 
(well, no, actually you could ba-a-arely walk on this slippery stuff) up and 
started pushing.  

How many pushers can get behind a Land-Rover before you have to push on 
someone else?  About five.  We pushed, our feet slid, our shoes being sucked 
off our feet at each step, while Jim finessed the throttle.  "Hey, someone 
yell at him to turn his wheel to the left, he's plowing with his front 
tyres!"  This for about fifty feet until the slope flattened somewhat and he 
could gain some headway.  Who's next?  

Each of us tried to get up without help and each got to about the same place 
(now pretty chewed up) where Jim had slid off.  More pushing.  Last up was 
Vance and he got about the least far (road getting more chewed up and snotty 
with each attempt) and slid off to the RIGHT, into a shallow ditch and 
almost hard against a high, vertical bank.  

Now, how in the hell do we get out of this one without a winch?  Certainly 
not by having someone who'd already made it up roll back down and give a 
tow.  Leave him?  Naahhh, couldn't do that to a swell fellow like Vance.  In 
the early days of automobiles, it was common for teams of horses to pull 
them out of the mud.  Whinny.  Just wrap that snatch strap around the front 
bumper and each of the end loops can serve as a handle for one or two 
pullers (ersatz equestrians).  And the rest in back as pushers, with one or 
two pushing with the feet against the bank.

This actually worked but was scary, I'll tell you.  Morgan and I were 
pulling on one strap end and Walt on the other (as I recall).  I say scary 
because we were in front, rather close, and no telling when he might break 
free and suddently lurch forward.  Come to think of it, under the 
circumstances, this was probably wishful thinking.  But Walt nearly had his 
feet right under the front tyre and not much room to jump out of the way.  
Jump?  Not unless you wanted to leave your shoes behind (I very nearly did, 
once).

Eventually, though, we all reassembled at the top of the hill and pressed 
forward.  We were definitely still in the woods but out of the worst of the 
mud. It continued to be pretty slippery but we didn't have any more hills 
that long and steep to conquer.  The worst now seemed to be the downslopes, 
at least from where I sat, behind Morgan, watching his rear do a little hula 
down each slope.

Perhaps another hour or so got us finally back to the pavement.  We come out 
at the top of a long stretch of tight switchbacks and very dense fog.  Other 
than the stuck-in-the-mud episode, this was the worst of our return trip.  I 
foolishly took the lead because I was the only one with no hubs to unlock 
(not that I would have even if I'd been in my Land-Rover; I hardly ever 
unlock mine). I say foolish because my lights could not see around the 
switchbacks.  There was in fact a double-yellow line but it was very worn 
and didn't help much.  Very hard to see the road.

Well, enough of that!  We rolled back into Upper Lake about 8:30 P.M.  I 
pulled into a parking space in front of the local watering hole.  Every 
yahoo, no doubt including the "hunters" and all their cousins and 
step-brothers, all yelling about who's ass they wanted to kick, or some 
such.  We assembled down the street away from the bar and agreed on dinner 
at the pizza place around the corner, on the highway.  Good way to finish 
off the day!  

A few brews and some munchies later, we went our separate ways, tired and 
bedraggled but fulfilled and grinning from ear to ear.  Must have been good 
because everyone who came seemed to be eager for Scouting Outing II.  I know 
I am.  

Because it proved to be not very productive to try to do this in a one-day 
outing, with most of the participants' having to drive so far before they 
ever get to lock hubs, we are thinking that Scoutout II will be an 
overnighter.  Probably try to find the quickest route to Letts Lake 
(obviously not the way we were trying to go!) and camp there.  Lots and lots 
of trails around there that MUST be checked out before April <grin> ... 

Are you ready?

Granville Pool, Redwood Valley, CA "Road-I-Land-Rovers"

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 22:59:37 -0800
From: jory@org.org (jory bell)
Subject: Re: New Subscriber

>2) My insurance agency will
>not give comprehensive coverage for my LR. When I finish the car
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>think I could afford that new Defender 90 I had my eyes on until
>now).

FWIW:
-----
My insurance agency (Liberty Mutual) gave me comprehensive with little
trouble. After completing my frame-up, I gave them a letter (of appraisal)
from RN. I have something like $15K of coverage.

-jory

ps: too bad it desn't cover mall things, since I just smashed another tail
lamp whilst parallel parking ;)

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