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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 02:08:47 MST
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Rover Turbin

Got a small bit of the program Invention only because
the Rover name was used in connection with autos.  When
I started paying attention the show was talking about
Rover putting out a turbin powered vehicle in the 50's.
Anybody ever heard of this high-tech heritage of our
much loved beasts of burden?  It did mention that a turbin
Rover car ran at Le Mans and took 10.  Plus one of the
vehicles took a speed record.  

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 07:27:26 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: L-Rs in the Movies

     A "blooper" in the Cliff Robertson film  633 Squadron  is the 
     appearance in the background of a Rover on the airfield just as 
     credits are starting to roll.  I think this may have come up in Rovers 
     North's newsletter a couple of years back.
     
     Hey...since the last three of my vehicle serial number are "633," and 
     it's green, I guess "Mossie" might be a good name for my Series II.  
     Next best thing to owning a real Mosquito.
     
     Per ardua,
     Hank

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:31:47 GMT+0200
Subject:       Re: Rover Turbin

The Rover Company got an entre into jet engines in WW2 -- they did a 
lot of work on the RR Derwent and I think the De Haviland Goblin 
series of a/c engines.

Post war they decided to put this experience to work by designing a 
small jet engine suitable for automotive and stationary power 
applications.

The early 1950's was Rover's period of peak activity in this field.  
There were numerous problems that had to be overcome -- as can be 
imagined, at the time Rovers were basically working right at the 
envelope with  small jet engine technology.  At least one highly 
developed Rover engine was installed in the then contemporary P4 Rover
car -- suitably modified.  Performance and acceleration was 
reportedly sparkling.  One such unit -- the famous "Jet 1" -- is/was
on display in the London Science Museum.

The automotive engine programme was ultimately wrapped up in around 
1955 for economic reasons -- the engine would have been too costly to
build and was deemed impractical on account of its seemingly incurable
high fuel consumption.

Rover stationary-power jets did go into production for about 10 years 
until the early/mid-1960s.  (A good Rover buddy who graduated in 
engineering at the University of Natal, Durban was enthralled that 
his faculty workshops had a Rover jet power plant and was always the 
first to volunteer to "fire it up"!)
Cheers,
Keith Coman

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Date: 31 Jan 95 06:16:46 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Overdrives

The mesh between the overdrive gear and the intermediate transfer gear, although
spiral bevel, often is the source of whine, I have used an overdrive on one
gearbox that was noisy and fitted it too another when it was quiet. Had similar
problems with the rear mainshaft gear replacement when removing overdrives too.

 The mainshaft end rotaates in a needle roller bearing in a standard gearbox,
when an overdrive is fitted the mainshaft is fixed to the center shaft of the
overdrive and does not rotate inside this shaft, the molybdenum disulphide that
is used in this area is to limit the effects of fretting and corrosion. The
connected mainshaft and overdrive centre shaft are locked together 
 When in   overdrive the outer overdrive shaft rotates around the inner shaft
and mainshaft to give the speed increase, this shaft is supported on the outside
at the front by a large ball bearing and various needle roller bearings
internally, all lubricated by the overdrive oil supply. 
 The inner shaft runs on a needle roller bearing,  which is fitted to the rear
of the mainshaft and lubricated by the transfer box hypiod oil, and on some
internal needle roller bearings lubricated by the overdrive oil ( if there is
any!!) 
 The initial charge of Moly on the bearing lubricates it for the brief period
until the transfer box oil is fed to the bearings, therafter it will be washed
off by the oil. Oil does not circulate on the connection splines and it is
beneficial for this area to be coated with anti sieze compound prior to assembly
 When out of overdrive the shafts re locked together and there is no relative
internal rotation, again another good reason for the anti sieze or anti scuffing
paste.
 Regards     Bill Leacock      Limey in exile.

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:34:36 -0500
From: Jimmy Patrick <jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Land Rovers in Movies

R. Pierce mentioned a few more LR movies yesterday. I saw one this weekend:

-- "Man with the Golden Gun" the Hong Kong police arrive on a murder scene
in a nice series II/IIA 109 with a tropical top and police paint scheme.

Jimmy

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:34:40 -0500
From: Jimmy Patrick <jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: London Area RR Goodie shops...

John,

I saw your post about coming over here. How long will you be here? I live
near Windsor. Motorbooks is in london, They have tons and tons of books on
cars. They only do books on cars, so that might be worth checking out. Also
Hamley's toy shop is not far from there, so it would be worth checking out
if you like little land-rovers, (not 88's, i mean models) I don't know
about parts, 'cause I order them by post. But if anyone has any ideas, I
would be interested to hear. Anyway, let me know when you will be here and
I'll give you a ride in Mabel, my new 1960 88"

Jimmy Patrick

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:34:45 -0500
From: Jimmy Patrick <jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Mendo Forest

Granville,

Keep up with the story, I can't wait for part three. It turns out that
Mabel and I shall be back in time for the trip in april. If she can handle
the cultural shock of moving to a new country, and then running as fast as
she can all the way across it, we will be there. I Love Northern
California! (I guess I am a bit homesick when I read your story)

thanks.

Jimmy Patrick

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Subject: Re: Rover Turbin
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:30:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk>

Keith Coman writes:
none
[...]
> The automotive engine programme was ultimately wrapped up in around 
> 1955 for economic reasons -- the engine would have been too costly to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> build and was deemed impractical on account of its seemingly incurable
> high fuel consumption.

And replaced it with the Buick/Rover V-8 with its seemingly incurable
high fuel consumption :-)

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Date: 31 Jan 95 08:57:55 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: D90 Questions

Questions for the Defender 90 Community:

I am planning on purchasing a Defender 90 in the spring (while, alas, parting
with the Sgt. Major to another enthusiast.  It's not an easy thing to do, but I
have a 30 mile drive every day and the 4 cyl does not like the headwinds across
the %$(@#ing  prairie I have to cross.

But I have some questions on the D90...

1.  Has anyone ordered one with the standard steel wheels?  I am not a huge fan
of alloy wheels (they get the creeping crud after a couple of winters) and I
especially don't want to pay some $600 for wheels I don't like.  I am told the
steel wheels are dimensionally identical to the alloys, but I have yet to see a
D90 with them on it.  Are they "really" available and what do they look like?
Are they the same as the UK Defender steel wheels?

2.  Has anyone tried to fit a hoodmount spare on a D-90?  I would think one of
the original mounting plates from a Series Land rover could be adapted to a
steel wheel, but I wonder about the strength of the hood, etc.  

3.  I plan on putting a softtop on it, but wondered if a pickup cab is available
(as for the Series Land Rovers) for winter use on the D90.  I know I would have
to remove the roll-cage, but is anyone in the UK making one of these caps?   I
am going over in the fall and will bring one back if I know where to look.  How
much would I expect to pay?

4.  How about insurance?  Do people find the rates particularly high?  I doubt
they are below average, but one never knows. I'll contct my agent, but wondered
if anyone had any insurance horror stories with D90's, particularly in the wake
of certain idiotic comments on how they roll.

Thanks, I am sure I'll think up some new questions as I get closer to a
purchase.  I would love to hear from the D90 community on how they are getting
along with their vehicles, or any leads on a good used one preferably yellow
with minimal off-road use.  I'll be looking to buy in April/May timeframe...

Cheers, 

R. Pierce Reid

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Rovers on Small Screen
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 14:11:30 GMT

Whilst we're on the subject.....
There is to be a new "drama" series on UK TV (Auntie Beeb,I think),
about a police doctor.He get's to drive a Discovery.Have seen the
trailer,shant bother to watch,though,Discos are ten a penny here.
There is also a nice advert for Nescafe,wherein a town vet
relocates himself to the country,including driving his Austin
Montego through a ford at the sort of speed that would *guarantee*
the car didnt reach the other side.On arrival he is ordered by a
local farmer in a *very* nice series one hardtop to follow him.
Where these advertising types get their ideas from is beyond me.
I doubt whether there is a single S1 still doing farm duty,and if
there is,it sure as hell isnt in *that* good nick.
I happened to catch a bit of TV film yesterday afternoon which
featured a guy doing trans Sahara in a Range Rover.The bloke took
the video himself.Nothing unusual in that? Except it turned out
that the bloke had lost his right arm *and* his right leg in
a motorcycle accident.AND he was doing the trip solo.If thats
not guts,I dont know what is.Trip ended early when some drunken
jerk tail ended the Range Rover at sixty MPH.There was an awful
lot of wreckage and blood about.The Range Rover had its back end
pushed in.The car was a write off(of course).The guy ws OK,he
filmed the mess.Said he was going to try again!

Cheers

Mike Rooth

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: D90 Questions
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 14:17:47 GMT

I'm sitting looking at the current Defender advert poster from
Land Rover showing all three defender models in some nice scenery.
The 130 crewcab pickup is showm with the spare mounted on the bonnet.
So going by this,the bonnet should be strong enough,after all Land
Rover published the poster!

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Mr T.stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: New style RR
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:23:36 +0000 (GMT)

I've just returned from visiting my parents down in Bolton; the
interesting part was that the old man had persuaded the local Rover
emporium to lend him a new-style RR while his existing (old) one was
having its annual fettling.
Overall, it felt a bit strange sitting in a car that would cost more
than my house! We goofed around with the suspension, which was fun, and
tried out the heated seats. I did not like these, since it felt as
though you were sitting in a puddle of hot tea. I'm still not sure about
the shape of it either; it looked a bit anonymous sat next to my
brother's SWB IIa.
I think I'll stick with my 90.
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(0475) 530581  Fax:(0475) 530601

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:20:07 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess)
Subject: oil

Howdy

I have some questions about oil.  I am convinced that synthetics offer
benefits BUT cost more, so if it leaks out, it's a waste.  Anyway,  while
at a large auto parts store, I remembered what Sandy wrote a few days ago
(in the discusion about OD whine and high tach(?) oil) and looked for
something like that.  On the shelves, I saw some penzoil racing oil that is
60wt designed for hi rpm.  Is that the same sort of product?  Would this 60
wt then be appropriate for the OD?

Now, as far as synthetics.
Do they have a tendency to find cracks and leak out where regular oil
didn't?  Do the 50wt or 90wt numbers freely cross relate to regular oil?

also,
Why does the OD use 50wt and the trans. and transfer case use higher wt oils?

Thanks, if these are to basic for the list, email your reply directly to me.

Bye,

John Hess, PhD                    Phone me 916 752 8420
Dept of Human Anatomy             FAX me (ask first)
University of Calif               Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu
Davis, CA                         or ?

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:22:54 +1100
Subject:       Land Rover Movies

Dear LRO's

    Last night I rented the 1975 film `Killer Force'.  It stars Peter 
Fonda, Telly Savalas, Christopher Lee, and the incredibly sexy Maud 
Adams.  Oh yes, O.J. Simpsom is in it!  If you want a movie that has 
a lot of Land Rover action, this is the one!  Land Rover SII 
and SIII 109 pickups painted yellow and white were driving and flying 
everywhere in the western African beach desert area.  Some had 
machine gun mounts in the back.  A diamond heist is the movies theme, 
but with this `B' film fare, who cares.  In fact, any theme and film 
made by the movie company `American International' - who cares!

    Rovers crashed, Rovers burned, then rolled, stopped bullits, 
didn't stop bullits, flew in the air, came apart while driving!  The 
director must have destroyed no less than eight or ten Land Rovers 
during the filming!  After seeing it, I wondered `What did they do 
with all of the Land Rover parts lying about in the desert?'.

Safe Rovering,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA
1968 SII 88 `Bwana Mobile'

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From: MIKE_CATLIN@ccgate.fire.ca.gov
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 09:30:14 -0800
Subject: New LR Owner

     Greetings from a new land rover owner.  
     
     Mine is a 1972 series III.  It's been not-running for nine years 
     and needs some work.  The previous owner was an interesting 
     fellow named Ty Raddue.  Some of you may know him.  He was a 
     charter member of a Rover club called "United Planet Land 
     Rovers".
     
     By the way, if any list members in Northern California or Nevada 
     are looking for a Dormobile, Ty wants you to know that one he 
     used to own is for sale now.  This Dormobile is said to be in 
     mint condition, 81,000 miles, new rear axles, and will have a 
     built by Scotty Howatt transmission installed soon.   The vehicle 
     is in Truckee, California, and it has not yet been advertised for 
     sale.  The asking price is going to be $13,000 to $14,000.  Ty 
     can put prospective buyers in touch with the seller if they call 
     916-587-3626.
     
     ---------------------------------------------------------
     Mike Catlin (mike_catlin@fire.ca.gov)
     California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection
     P.O. Box 944246
     Sacramento, California  94244-2460
     U.S.A.
     phone:  916-753-6514 (home) or 916-654-9239 (work)
     fax:  916-657-4396 (work)
     ---------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:40:17 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: winches, tires etc. and Discos

Stephan,

You have made painfully clear just how complicated can be such a minor 
modification as putting slightly wider and taller tyres on stock wheels.  I 
would surely have supposed that a Range Rover would easily accommodate that 
slight increase in tyre size with no modifications at all.  Condolences on 
your ordeal.  And all because Land-Rover wants to keep a more "car-like" 
appearance on the Range Rover by having snug-looking wheel well openings 
(admitted regarding the new model).
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:42:09 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: LRs on Wings of Eagles

R. Pierce Reid mentioned the lame tv movie about Ross Perot's remarkable 
rescue of his employees from Iran during the revolution.  See, here's the 
deal:  The movie, based upon the book by Ken Follett, is "On Wings of 
Eagles" with Burt Lancaster in a leading role (dooms it from the start).  I 
was surprised that, in the movie, the rescue vehicles were Land-Rovers 
because a friend who read the book said they were all Range Rovers.  I 
always assumed that my friend was right but now I wonder.  Ross Perot is 
known to have a number of Land-Rovers; I'm not sure if he would have used 
Range Rovers.  Anybody on the list read the book?
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:40:17 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: winches, tires etc. and Discos

Stephan,

You have made painfully clear just how complicated can be such a minor 
modification as putting slightly wider and taller tyres on stock wheels.  I 
would surely have supposed that a Range Rover would easily accommodate that 
slight increase in tyre size with no modifications at all.  Condolences on 
your ordeal.  And all because Land-Rover wants to keep a more "car-like" 
appearance on the Range Rover by having snug-looking wheel well openings 
(admitted regarding the new model).
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: 31 Jan 95 15:59:38 EST
From: "Alan M. Murphy" <74243.1133@compuserve.com>
Subject: Frame Oiling...?

	Please tell me more!  What type of oil?  Applicator?  Where?
How much? How often?  Precautions?  I haven't seen this in any
shop manuals; if it is in one, which one?  Both inside and outside
of frame section?  Access holes?  This is a new one on me!
	Thanks,
		Alan Murphy      (74243.1133@compuserve.com)

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 13:31:58 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: New LR Owner

In message <f2e7af40@ccgate.fire.ca.gov>  writes:
>      Greetings from a new land rover owner.  
>      Mine is a 1972 series III.  It's been not-running for nine years 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>      fax:  916-657-4396 (work)
>      ---------------------------------------------------------

Thats an interesting twist.  I was at Scotty's house when the present owner 
dropped the transmission off.  I'f I remember correctly, the transmission was 
broken when he bought the Dormobile five or six months ago.  It looks like this 
car will have zero miles put on it by its present owner.  If its the white 
Dormobile in the Truckee area that I think it is, Scotty said it the body looked
to be in good shape last time he saw it.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 18:21:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: oil

Hoe-boy.......Did 'ya want to open a can of oil or a can of *WORMS*!

The SAE viscosity number (weight) is the measure of the oil's resistance 
to flowing under the force of gravity...the lab coat types have a 
viscosity tester....really just a cup with a hole in the bottom,..and 
they pour in a sample of the oil and time how long it takes for the oil 
to run out.....Sweet job, working for the SAE lab...."Well boss, we've been 
testing that oil for *years* now and with our state of the art 
equipment we'll have an answer on that viscosity thing real soon..."
"and get us a few thousand more of those dixie cups...."

The test is done at 70 degrees F... the "W" test is done at 0 (?)F which 
leads to an oil having two numbers...."10w-30" for example....

The same system is used with gear lubes...*BUT* the oils are different in 
the chemistry that deals with film strength, wear additves,disspersants 
etc....the gear lub is "EP" oil.."extreme pressure" stuff..also known as 
"Hypoid Oil"...the anti-scuff and anti-gauling additives are just 
rampant in the stuff....(one of the best aditives for this was Whale 
oil...but... well there were these people that liked whales and ....oh never 
mind...)

SO! even if the viscosity is right *DO NOT* use any type of motor oil in 
a gear box! (unless the manufacturer says IN WRITING to use Motor oil)

Synthetic oils? in the overdrive ? *SURE* the stuff is what?, 8 bucks a 
quart? and you just spent, let's see...*ELEVENTY-BILLION* dollars (plus 
tax and shipping) on your overdrive???!!!
Come on! the stuff cant be worse 'cause it has the SAE rating and API 
codes too....Might be better! *AND* the Folks will give ya a reall nice 
sticker too! 

Seriously, the only thing that throws me is the statement on the weight 
of the oil required for the overdrive...I'm under the impression that it 
should be 90wt...(80w-90 actually) and I'm wondering where the lower 
number was seen.......

BTW a Low viscosity but *extreemly* high pressure gear lube is Dextron II 
ATF.....some transmissions are actually set up to use it and thses units 
tend to run smoother and quieter than those with 90w in 'em....

one small other problem on gear lubes is the "ML" rating....(stands for a 
Military spec, I think ) the ML 4's are ok with the aluminum-bronze 
bushing in the series vehicles, but the ML 5's and up will not work and 
will cause bearing failure..*soon*!...don't know about the synthetics....

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:33:04 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: oil

> Seriously, the only thing that throws me is the statement on the weight 
> of the oil required for the overdrive...I'm under the impression that it 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> number was seen.......
> steve.....

   I wondered about that 50wt statement myself, but I thought maybe they'ed
changed the rules with the newer Fairy ODs. Never heard of anything other
than 90wt EP recomended for ODs. Maybe that's why it's whinning. Since
the OD and the Tranfer case often swap oil, depending on various mysterious
circumstances that I am unable to explain, having a different oil in the two
seems a real folly to me. Yes, they do swap oil. 

Regards, Bill G.

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Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 11:23:38 +1000
From: Rodney Alan Walker <ra.walker@qut.edu.au>
Subject: Series 1 Bronze Green

Hi all,

I have finally gotten around to painting my 86" series 1, but am
having some difficulty obtaining the correct colour Bronze Green!

None of the paint places here have it listed. My question is then,
does anyone have a correct colour number for any of the following
companies;

Spartan
ICI
Wattyl
Berger

Or any others. The vehicle is 1955 86" series 1.

Thanks in advance

Rod Walker

'55 86"
'53 80"

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 18:32:27 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in Movies

>Pierce Reid sez...
>> Someone was compiling a list of Land Rovers in Movies...  I had a couple
none

My girlfriend says that in Orca there's a Land Rover.  (I don't watch scary 
movies, so I don't know.  That's why I've only had 2 nightmares in the last 
20-odd years.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 18:32:32 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Ultimate LR Movie, cont.

Morgan said that he was unable to find Killer Force at any of the 
unenlightened video rental places in the east bay, and I found the same 
situation here in the City, so I inquired about the possibility of ordering 
and purchasing it.  Surprisingly, Blockbuster was not only able to order it, 
but it was also quite reasonably priced.  So I went ahead and ordered it.  
When it gets here, is anyone interested in getting together for a film fest? 
 Perhaps up at Scotty's?  (I suppose I should check with him before 
volunteering his house, eh?  <g>)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 18:32:24 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover in Bud Ad

>1989 - some womans magazine (haven't a clue as to what one) had an ad for
>Hunt's Tomato Sauce - Hunt's Great American Cooks. Insert B&W photo shows a
>SerIII (maybe a 109?) - a bit mud spattered with a short woman leaning
>against the left front wing. Text above the photo reads "This is Janet Hill.
>Co-founder of a 4-wheeler club. Pianist at church. She uses Hunt's."

That would probably be Steve Hill's wife, who is an award winning cook.  
Steve is president of the LROA.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 22:53:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: oil

On Tue, 31 Jan 1995, Steven M Denis wrote:

> BTW a Low viscosity but *extreemly* high pressure gear lube is Dextron II 
> ATF.....some transmissions are actually set up to use it and thses units 
> tend to run smoother and quieter than those with 90w in 'em....

	ATF makes for great dash pot oil in SU carbs too...

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: US National Rally 1995
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:40:54 -0700 (MST)

You read it here first!  (ah, the wonders of instant communication)
For those of you who like/need to plan ahead:

The US National Rally will be held in Breckinridge, Colorado,
15-20 August 1995

Stay tuned for details.

(that gives me seven and half months to get the "unstoppable" unstopped...)

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 22:58:35 -0600 (CST)
From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson)
Subject: tires and Discos, also ARB lockers

On Jan. 30 "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> wrote about
fitting BFG 235/85 tires on a '87 Range Rover.

Thanks for the detailed post!

I have always wondered why there weren't more Range Rovers out there with
big fat tires and 4" lifts!  After hearing your experiences, I think my
tires are doing just fine.  Custom made aluminum alloy propshaft-to-diff
distance pieces are where I draw the line ;)

Not to say that the Disco wouldn't look good and clear obstacles better with
a bit more rubber and height, but I think I'll wait until some company makes
a handy-dandy
$499.95-we've-already-engineered-it-for-you-on-our-supercomputer spring,
shock and hardware kits like they have for the Grand Cherokee.  

Another upgrade I've considered are ARB lockers, rear initially or perhaps
front and rear.  I have long wondered why Land Rover doesn't offer their
own.  BTW, the off-road supplier 4west (1-800-854-WEST) sells them ($575 per
axle) and the compressor kit ($200) for the Disco and RR.

Ciao for now,
Henry B. Wilson, wilsonhb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu or henben@aol.com
'59 Austin Healey 100-6
'94 LR Discovery 5-speed

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:01:21 -0500
From: rparker@tiac.net (Randy Parker)
Subject: more LR celeb-trivia

Syndicated U.S. talk-show host/comedian Jon Stewart said in a radio
interview this morning that the supposedly odd seats his TV guests sit on
are actually seats taken from an old Land Rover (not his).

If anyone watches his show, can they confirm this?

-- Randy Parker, NoteSystems <rparker@tiac.net>

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Window Sealant
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 21:12:57 PST

RE: Window Sealant
Ok.  Everyone has probably talked this to death.  But now that I have finished
painting and am installing my glass, I'm wondering what type of sealant to
use.  The guy at the automotive glass shop gave me some 1/4" Butyl (sp?) to
try.  Is this the right stuff?  It's really sticky and in a rope shape.  Do
I place the sealant in the center of the window channel, or towards one edge
or the other?

Also, I am now at minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil.  Got too cheap for the
other account, so I'm using my workstation at work from home (usually at
off-hours...).
Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: RR seat
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 22:00:53 PST

RE:  RR Rear Seat
I have seen ads for RR rear seats in LRO magazine.  I belive they were less
than 400 pounds in leather with 2 seat belts.  Seem to snap in place like the
Suburbans (sorry).  Anyhow, it's an option...
Kelly Minnick  '73 Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Wheels
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 22:06:50 PST

RE: RR Large Wheels
I had 245/75 X 16 on my '87 RR.  I also had to adjust my steering stops in.
In the rear, during large wheel articulation, the right wheel would grab the
inner fender (but only on the right!?).  As far as extending the drive shaft,
it costs about $35 here.  Your adaptor probably cost more.  Also, with an
extension/adaptor, your shear/bending moment on the bolts has greatly
increased.  I would definately recommend carrying some extra grade 8/12
bolts and nuts.
Kelly Minnick  '73 Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Misc
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 22:18:13 PST

RE: Misc
Ok.  I am in a rambling mood.

Bronze paste.  I have seen this silicone-base grease with bronze powder in
older motorcycle trans.  I too recommend the Moly since Moly will actually
build up material or a commercial grade Teflon based grease.  Too bad there
is no center support!

4 wheel slide:?!
Try it.  Go out and LOCK your brakes and see how much control you have in
steering. (like zero?).  Who wrote this?  Yes, professionals who drive their
cars 3-4 hours on standard condition race tracks every day know exactly how
their cars and tires will handle and can out-brake ABS. (especially the early
generation versions that had low-resolution on axle rotation).  I challenge
90% of the people out there to do the same in any PANIC/tricky road condition
situation.  Are you trying to tell me that thousands of engineers have been
wasting their time?  Why are they still further developing these systems?
And new materials have changed the laws of physics that determines the nature
of sliding/rolling dynamic/static friction?  I'd have to see the research!
(just typical of a hard-headed engineer - thinks he knows it all!)
Sorry!
Kelly Minnick  '73 Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in Movies
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 23:36:53 -0700 (MST)

Uncle Roger writes:

< My girlfriend says that in Orca there's a Land Rover.  (I don't watch scary 
< movies, so I don't know.  That's why I've only had 2 nightmares in the last 
< 20-odd years.)

Orca bites off Bo Derek's leg.  No great loss; whatever acting ability 
she had must have been in her foot.

The real star is the Rover owner, Charlotte Rampling.  Best lro movie 
babe I've seen.  Unfortunately, she spends most of her time at sea and 
not in the Rover.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Wings of Eagles
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 23:47:17 -0700 (MST)

the Wing of Eagles film was so bad, I don't remember any Rovers.  (some 
dude, Roy Scheider?, made Perot look smart though).  The worst part was 
the Mexicans pretending to be Kurds!  I read the book, too, when it came 
out.  Much better than the film, but it's been so long I still don't 
remember the Rovers.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:52:01 GMT+0200
Subject:       Re: Series 1 Bronze Green

> I have finally gotten around to painting my 86" series 1, but am
> having some difficulty obtaining the correct colour Bronze Green!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> does anyone have a correct colour number for any of the following
> companies;

    Had exactly the same problem when building up my '58 SII.  The 
only way I solved it was to take one of the under-seat locker lids
(which had a few remaining square inches of Bronze Green on its 
underside) into an automotive paint dealer.  Working off this sample, 
his resident expert was able to mix up a can of paint to the right 
shade inside 5 minutes.
    Failing a fair sample off the vehicle, Bronze Green was also a 
very popular shade in the same era as our Landies with British office 
filing cabinet makers.  If you can locate one of these and give it a 
good eyeball, you can then go to a paint dealer and stand next to the 
guy as he works up the shade -- the basic ingredients of BG are a 
gloss neutral green and black.  (The term "BG" is derived from the
weathering effect that one can see on (say) a copper roof -- sortta 
dark green a few shades lighter than British Racing Green.)
Hope it works out!
Keith Coman

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:01:42 GMT+0200
Subject:       Re: Land Rovers in Movies

> >Pierce Reid sez...
> >> Someone was compiling a list of Land Rovers in Movies...  I had a couple
none

    There's an old British technicolour movie from around 1955 called 
"Simba" - - basically an action feature to do with the Mau-Mau in 
colonial Kenya.
    More to the point, there's lots of Series 1's -- at one stage a 
lion jumps into an open-topped SWB to say howzit to the hero behind 
the wheel. (Leo ultimately gets a knife in his ribs for his pains, 
a'corse!)
Keith Coman

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 02:00:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rover Turbin

Roy queries...

> Got a small bit of the program Invention only because
> the Rover name was used in connection with autos.  When
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Rover car ran at Le Mans and took 10.  Plus one of the
> vehicles took a speed record.  

Page 123-124 of Ken Slavin's "Land Rover - The Unbeatable 4x4" (third
edition) mentions a Rover-built gas-turbine engined Le Mans car. The book
doesn't say what year - or rather years - that this took place, nor does it
mention how the car did. Apparently, this all took place over three years
but the car didn't actually race until the third year. Car, singular. If you
have the book, there is a nice picture of the Le Mans car with the specially
modified Foward Control based car hauler in the background.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Land Rover in adverts
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:10:05 -0700 (MST)

Mike Landrover writes:

< Dec 1994 issue of "PC WORLD".

Do you mean the Superbase ad on p.241-242 of PC MAGAZINE?

< there is a Mobilink (cellular phone stuff) ad
< showing what looks like a SerIII 88 in a swamp, not quite up to the hubs in
< water.. some oriental guy standing up on the front seat, talking on a
< cellular phone. 

Originally a tv ad, which had a partner featuring a Range Rover instead.  
The paper ad appeared in NEWSWEEK on 26 Sep 1994, among other places.

There is also the BF Goodrich "We make detires under Defenders" which 
appeared in many auto magazines last year (Sept 1994 FOUR WHEELER, for 
example).

Esso had a neat full-page ad featuring a SIIa and some nice babes in 
khaki in a German magazine last year (STERN, maybe?)

Solihull Society Newsletter has a shameless tradition of reproducing 
these ads when we find them ;)

LRNA, of course, advertises in major American mags like Newsweek, Time, 
as well as auto mags.

Ray Harder mentioned some time ago a car advert service:  you pay for old 
ads of your choice of car taken from old mags.  (As a librarian I am a 
bit concerned that such a service might involve defacing library copies.)

And don't forget there is a book compiled by Daniel Young, ADVERTISING 
LAND-ROVER, SERIES i & ii, 1948-1971 (London: Yesteryear Books, 1992).

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in tv drama
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:18:54 -0700 (MST)

I think it was Mike Rooth who said it wasn't worth the trouble cataloging 
LRs in tv programs, but in case anybody (like me) is going through the 
motions, here's one:

The Jon Pertwee era of DOCTOR WHO featured the Brigadier and UNIT driving 
around in LRs all the time.  In one episode, soldiers are desperately 
trying to shake off some alien monsters from their 88.  In desperation, 
the soldiers jump out, leaving the monsters with some live grenades (and 
a predictable but sad spectacle of a flaming rover).

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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