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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 08:03:11 +0000
Subject: Re: newspapers making up stories (Non-LR!)

> they will create the news themselves. I cannot believe they would stoop so 
> low, but then I'm rather naive.

For those of you who are not in the UK, we have a .. Comic .. which is 
printed in tabloid-newspaper format. It's only interested in sleeze, dirt 
and wacky stories. This periodical (now a *daily* publication) is called 
The Daily Sport.

The broad-minded amongst you may wish to scan this "paper", just don't 
expect any news!

Anyroad - the reason for all this waffle:

The 'Sport is known to make up front-page news as a spoof:
	"Lancaster bomber found on the moon"
	"London bus found in Antarctica"
	"Man gives birth to twins"

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
#======================================================================#
Pessimists are often pleasently suprised by life, |Land Rover owners do
optimists find it full of disappointments.        |  it in the mud.

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 08:42:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Heaters

> My brothers sIII 88" has an electric fan with an on/off toggle switch 
> inside. He also has a radiator muff. Not only does the engine heat up 
> faster and run more economic, - it also improves heating significantly. 
A cheaper alternative to the padded radiator Muff is one of these large 
far,-type feeding sacks - most of the people I know tend to use this 
system after their Muff dies.

If you place the sack so that it covers the grill down to the breakfast, 
you should have enough up top to fold and clamp with the bonnet 
(especially if you have a type on top :)

The sack stays in place by air pressure when travelling but can flap 
around a bit when stopped.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
#======================================================================#
Pessimists are often pleasently suprised by life, |Land Rover owners do
optimists find it full of disappointments.        |  it in the mud.

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Heaters
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 9:34:33 GMT

Aluminium cooking foil works quite well,too,perticularly on the
wire mesh grilles.Just tuck it round the edges of the grille.
When Spring comes(I wish) chuck it away.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Fraser.Young@EEC-ISD.eecal.sprint.com
Date:  Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:35:00 -0500
Subject:  Re: Rover Owner Wannabe has some questions...

Re message from Kumaravel Natarajan on Wed, 18 Jan 1995

/But should I go with a 2.25 petrol or the diesel engine?

/The gas should give me better acceleration (acceleration? can you use
/that word when talking about Rovers?), be easier to get, and should
/cause me fewer starting problems in the winter.

I've got a 90 with the 2.5l Tdi (107bhp, 188ftlbs at 1800rpm) and have 
no complaints about acceleration, I've had it start consistently at 
temperatures down to minus 28 degrees C (Norway). The same cannot be 
said of the earlier indirect injection diesels from LR, especially when 
they get older, not unusual to see cans of Easy Start (ether) rolling 
about in old diesel LRs. A block heater can make a big difference 
though.
The Tdi is by far the most economical, I get typically 30/25 mpg (uk/us 
gal), min 26/22, max 37/31.
The early non turbo diesel seems to be reliable but a bit gutless 
(58bhp).
The turbo (85bhp) has had a bit of bad press with the UK military, by 
blowing oil out of the crankcase and into the intake through the 
crankcase vent. The general consensus is that squaddies with foot to 
floor for long periods is the cause, and that if you treat it with 
respect can be very reliable.

/Did I miss anything?  Could anyone add to the advantages/disadvantages
/of the gas vs. diesel question?

Engine braking, makes those steep descents more controllable.
Diesel is safer than petrol/gas.

Regards

Fraser Young - Aberdeen, Scotland.

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From: "Seymour, Gareth - Technician" <GSeymour@mp.sihe.ac.uk>
Subject: ref: info wanted
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 12:37:00 PST

Hi there,

A week or so ago I submitted a request for info on offroading in california. 
Granville (mcdpw) has already been in touch with me directly and has 
mentioned there have been other replies. Since I submitted the article I 
have not recieved the digest. I obtained a list from "majordomo" showing all 
digests from the last month and managed to get the issue with my request but 
no others with the "get lro-digest xxxxx" command.  I have also tried 
re-subscribing but no joy. So if you replied can you get in touch with me 
directly on

gseymour@sihe.ac.uk

Thanks very much,

Gareth.

P.S. Someone should have noticed the typing mistake on the list of motors I 
own, it's a 86" series1 not  80". Sorry...

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Date: 19 Jan 95 09:39:25 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Gelandewagens

Over here, the place is naturally teeming with G-Wagens, especially
in Wiesbaden which is a rather 'posh' place as you would say in England...

I've had the questionable privilege to try out G-Wagens on two occasions
at off-road meets, both diesels, and of course also had in-depth discussions 
with the owners. Not that I was able to convince them of anything, they are
just as much 'hooked' on their Merc-image as we are on Solihulls pride...
Well, to get to the point: In most 4WD tests the G is usually compared
and measured against the Discovery or (*gasp*) Range Rover, which is
utterly stupid. The G is, in terms of comfort, performance, accessories and
luxury (or rather the absence of it) only comparable with, and a direct
competitor to the Defender TDi or V8. For comfort, design and luxury both
the Discovery and even more so the Range are lightyears ahead of the G.
As for design and performance of the G, it surely isn't _bad_, quite on
the contrary; but there's nothing special about it, either. Frame components,
axles and also the diesel engine are basically the stock components used
for the classic Mercedes commercial vans since over 15 years, merely the
tranny and the diff lock mechanism(s) are a "new" development for the G.
The body is plain welded sheet metal not thicker than on any saloon.
I had the rare pleasure to drive two G's that were actually being used 
off-road (most of them aren't), one two years old, the other 6 years.
The 6-year old made a pretty worn-out impression,  rust around the
footwells, tank and rear crossmember, and - even onroad - the chassis and
body squeaked and rattled due to worn out body mounts and broken welding 
spots. Even the windows were loose in their channels. Off-road performance:
Impressive, but then again nothing a Defender couldn't just as well do without
trying all too hard. Most noticeable difference with the (diesel) engine:
It's *much* more quiet than the TDi, almost wispering, and seems to have a
longer torque curve (is that what you call it?), *but* it has absolutely
no low-down grunt, you want at least 2,500 rpm to deliver some power, and
it's a guzzler, nowhere under 15 liter/100km - and that's *ON* road !
Its end speed is noticeably higher than the Defenders (or the Discos for 
that matter) which of course makes a difference to speed-crazed german 
Autobahn freaks, but a 3.9 or 4.2 Range Rover would easily put him back in
place again in case this is a problem for you.
This said, I can't see any justification for pricing the G, in its most
basic version, *above* the top-model Range Rover!?! I mean, it just doesn't
relate. If you're prepared to spent that kind of money, get a 4.2 litre V8
Range Rover Vogue and enjoy life. If you want a very good - possibly the
best - 4WD for off-roading and/or towing, get a Defender and keep the other
half of the money for your pension funds - you'll need it, because when you
retire the Defender will still be there and want attention...  :-)

Speaking of Mercedes, the Pontiff has really disappointed me. In Australia
of all places he has the nerve to show up with a G-Wagen! Wonder how much
that appearance cost Mercedes...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
'87 RR | '73 S.III 109 Station

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:11:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Big Mice

Jimmy - "when I go from engine pulling to engine braking, I get the sqeaking
noises of 50-60 large mice."  The squeek doesn't ring a bell, but a noise
from engine pull to engine break sounds dangerously like a sloppy timing
chain (just before it breaks & take your valves out).  It's an easy one to
check, however.  Put a timing light on the car, and if the mark jumps all
over the place, especially when you goose the throttle, you've got chain
problems.  

If your oil pressure is running below 50psi on your 1960, this is almost a
sure bet. - Sanna

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:15:33 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: G-Wagens

FWIW - Mercedes-Benz is building a plant just southwest of Tuscaloosa,
Alabama.  They plan to be on line by '97.  Why Alabama, you say?  The state
has/is giving MB $110 *million* in free land, highway improvements and tax
incentives.  ...And you wonder why American industry has such a hard time competing.

Hey!  I've got it!  Build LR's over here!  There's an unused Volvo palnt
not far away that BMW could pick up for chump change.  Volvo spent $65 mil
a decade ago to construct a state-of-the-art plant, then never built the
first car.  Go figure.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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From: K Schmidt <s20845@hp.rmc.ca>
Subject: Re: Heaters
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 10:54:50 EST

>  Michael Loiodice says...
> Russell Dushing has described his heater as "that piddley round thing" and
> the "Smiths shinburner".. I guess you're not particularly impressed with it
> either.. Well..   If you luck out, you might be able to find a Kodiak heater
> for the Rover. Lots of heat. 

 I have a Kodiak heater in my IIa I can confirm that it gives lots of 
heat.  Before you go and change your present heater make sure that you flush
out you heater coil and put in a _new_thermostat_  -- even with the Kodiak I 
didn't get much heat untill I put in a new 185 thermostat  It will probably 
run too warm in the summer so keep your old one.  good luck!

Kurt

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Superbase
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 09:51:00 EST

Who owns the Series III in the Superbase Ad? Are they an active Land Rover 
owner? Do they frequent regular Land Rover venues? Grey with white hard top 
and roof rack. California plates (looks like 449 DPL), red kangaroo sticker 
in back side window, driver wears aussie bush hat, series II door hinges. 
Can you identify them?
I was disappointed. When the poster(?) arrived it was actually a folder and 
the back of the Landie is cut off, not like in the original ad. Still the 
creases almost came out when it was laminated. The original ad will probably 
look better when its mounted and matted.

Trevor Easton, Grimsby,Ontario

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:46:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Heaters

Russel - I scrapped the Smith's years ago and bought one of RN's first
Mansfield heaters.  It is a VERY good heater.  My son & I just drove
Lulubelle (leaky canvas top) out to Oregon just after Christmas through -13x
windy weather.  The Mansfield managed to keep the cabin comfortable, even
toasty at times, dispite the considerable drafts that blew through the top.

When I bought mine (1980's), RN advertised it as a 2 hour conversion.  Mine
took way longer than that because the fit was far from perfect.  Check to see
if they have refined the fittings.  I don't know what they are asking for the
Mansfeild today, but it was well worth the price I paid. - Sanna@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 15:58:36 -0500
From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Smith's Heaters

Someone mentioned the poor output from the Smith's Heater. I recently
removed the blower and core from the bulkhead and shook them out. Lots of
stuff fell out. A mouse nest (they must have moved from here to behind the
instrument panel); and a cup full of rust (must have been the old
footwell). Getting the rust and mouse habitat out seemed to increase the
efficiency by 10 degrees. No kidding. But then the winter's been mild here
in Baltimore so I really haven't been able to give it a thorough testing.
BTW, to keep the heat in...what there is of it...I also added new door
seals and used some of that 3M strip caulk on the floorboards. 3m stuff is
the way to go.

Chris Stevens
BCG Corporate Communications
1512 West Joppa Road
Towson, Maryland
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
Chrisste@cerf.net

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 15:58:24 -0500
From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Brake Bleeding

Still trying to get all the air out of my SRIIA 88" brakes. Had the lines
disconnected from the master cylinder (dual system with servo) whilst I
replaced footwells. Been around the vehicle to each bleeder valve four
times. All wheel cylinders are intact...no leaking. No air is showing up in
bleeder line...just fluid...but the pedal is soft on first application of
brakes. By the second or third application everything works the way it
should.

Any ideas?

Chris Stevens
BCG Corporate Communications
1512 West Joppa Road
Towson, Maryland
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
Chrisste@cerf.net

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 16:16:01 EST
From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Went to the local auto supply, you know the type that will try and send you
to the Toyota dealer because they think you just said Land Cruiser.  Anyway,
I walked up and down thier hoses (hanging on the wall) and sure picked out
two that I thought would fit the configuration I need for the lower hose.
Got home, tried both.  Both fit, one better and now there is nouthing but
time keeping me from the test run and installiation of the mercruiser 
transplant.  It is unbelievable how well it fits.  This weekend could
be the breakthrough, if time allows.
Have talked to someone who is going to physically inspect some of those
new 1992 Defenders.  Will post info as soon as I know something.  They
are only available in lots of 25 (not 15 as previously stated, sorry for
the typo... better that I hit 15 for 25 instead of @5).
Someone else out there must know something.  Stop scanning and start typing!
R&D

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:03:31 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Re: Smith's Heaters

Chris wrote:

none
Someone mentioned the poor output from the Smith's Heater. I recently
removed the blower and core from the bulkhead and shook them out. Lots of
stuff fell out. A mouse nest (they must have moved from here to behind the
instrument panel); and a cup full of rust (must have been the old
none

Sounds familiar.  When I pulled the engine from my 109 I stripped it to the 
firewall and when I pulled off the heater, it was 3/4 packed with insulation 
in the form of a rodent's nest and had the remains of several small snakes in 
it.  I don't know who the passenger was but the vehicle was purchased in 
Holland and driven throughout eastern europe in the 70s before being brought 
over.  Clearing it out made a big difference (from none to some) in the heater
efficiency.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:21:31 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: RE: Heaters

In the 18 JAN 95 lro digest, Russell Wilson writes:
>I have a '67 88 that's RHD that still has the original Smiths 
>heater.....heater is a very generous description of this thing. What I 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>a bit more than I wanted to spend.  Does anyone know of another heater 
>type that would work in a Rover? Thanks for any help.

Russ, 

I don't know how cold it is where you are but if not too cold, you might 
consider the stock fresh-air heater from a later Land-Rover, starting about 
1978, in the U.S., I believe.  I have found this heater pretty satisfactory 
in numerous trips to the snow.  But I live where temperatures don't drop 
below about 28 degrees F, even in the snow.  This type of heater might be 
gotten reasonably priced for a used unit.  For a new one, it may be more 
than RN's price for the Mansfield.  From what others (in Canada and other 
such truly frigid places) have said, the Mansfield is the best, followed by 
the Kodiak which is seen as an option in a lot of older Land-Rovers (before 
the fresh-air type was standard in the U.S.).  You might find a used Kodiak 
but not too likely.

Hope this helps!
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:23:04 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Popping Engine

Fellow netters and goo-roos:

A local Land-Rover owner friend (Dick Hamilton) has a '69 88 that he has had 
since it was nearly new.  I have seen few as well cared for as this one.  
Recently, on his way home from having a new clutch installed, he was almost 
home when he suddenly lost power and there started to be ugly loud noises 
from "up front."  He thought, O.K. I know these symptoms, a blown head 
gasket.  He thought, "That's O.K. because I wanted to do the valves and put 
in Stellite anyway."

Well, when he pulled the head, he found that the head gasket was not blown.  
It was just the manifold gasket.  But he did the valves anyway.  Pistons and 
bores looked O.K.  He took the head to the best local machine shop and used 
new valves, seats, guides, and pushrods from Rovers North.  Dick brought the 
finished head home and carefully installed it with a new gasket set (from 
RN).  He adjusted the valves, cleaned the plugs (didn't need new and gap was 
O.K.).  He didn't mess with the points or or ignition timing.  He did not 
get into the valve timing gear.

When Dick got everything carefully assembled, he started the engine and 
*OUCH* it sounded awful and runs "rough"!  The valve gear sounds rather 
noisy (must have set the valves a little loose) but the horrible part is a 
VERY loud "popping" noise that you hear coming out of the air filter (stock 
oil bath).  From the cadence, I'd say its coming from one cylinder.  Sounds 
like maybe timing not right (but wasn't changed, seemingly) or maybe a 
vaccuum leak (sure doesn't look like it; all tight connections, new hoses, 
etc.).  Or maybe a totally burnt valve (obviously not a possibility).  He 
says that this is maybe how it sounded when he first blew the manifold 
gasket (I didn't hear it then).  Could it be that the blown manifold gasket 
had been that way awhile and that the problem that he thought was the head 
gasket is still there and not found?

In either case, what the hell could it be?  We are very puzzled.  Before he 
has it towed to a shop, any thoughts?  Anyone?

Thanks for any help you can give.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:21:50 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: RE: Rover Owner Wannabe has some questions...

Vel,

You have a golden opportunity here.  You will be in England long enough to 
put together a first rate but U.S. legal Land-Rover.  

If I had that opportunity I would, I think, buy an older Land-Rover ('67 or 
earlier) with a good body but maybe not such a good frame.  Then I would do 
a coil-sprung chassis conversion using either a new purpose-built chassis 
such as available from Arrow Services (and others) or a shop-modified, 
shortened (or, for a 109, lengthened) Range Rover chassis.  I would go with 
a V-8 from a Range Rover because I want MORE POWER than available from any 
of the four-cylinder (whether petrol or diesel).  If funds allowed, I would 
try to get a chassis from a late Range Rover roll-over, one with EFI V-8 and 
ABS.  I think a nice coiler like this could be built pretty reasonably if 
you are in England and can shop for all the various bits you would need.

Well, that's one of my fantasies, anyway...

But even if you don't want to go to that length or expense, I think you'd be 
missing a great opportunity if you don't bring back some sort of Land-Rover. 
 Of course any you find in England, except military surplus ones, will most 
likely be right-hand drive.  It does cost some $$ to convert to left-hand 
drive but not too bad on the older ones (which have the same dash panel for 
both).

Have fun!  Wish I were going.  Maybe I will....
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:22:45 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: RE: Gelandewagenen

Gerry, in re your gelandewagenenquestionenundstuffen:

First, the G-wagons are built for DB by Steyr-Daimler-Puch in 
Ostereich[imagine and umlaut over the "O"].  Same folks who bring us the 
redoubtable Pinzgaur.

Second, the "Gelandewagen" that Mercedes is planning to build in the U.S., 
according to my latest intelligence, will bear no resemblance to the current 
(real) G-wagens and will probably not even share that name.  It is to be a 
4x4 people-mover just a little less van-like than the Mazda MPV and probably 
will be unibody construction.  It is supposed to be "affordable."

Third, a viticulturalist in my area has an older 4-door G-wagen, a 300GE, 
and likes it, as far as I know, except that it's pretty gutless ('cuz it's 
v. heavy).  The 300GD would, I rather expect, be more gutless yet.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Big Mice
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 18:12:30 EST

> Jimmy - "when I go from engine pulling to engine braking, I get the sqeaking
> noises of 50-60 large mice."  The squeek doesn't ring a bell, but a noise
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> If your oil pressure is running below 50psi on your 1960, this is almost a
> sure bet. - Sanna
Or if you don't have a timing light, yank out all the plugs, pull the 
distributor cap, and rotate the crank (at the water pump/fan pulley)
back and forth and look for slop/play in movement of the rotor. Any
slop is probably too much.  

rd/nige

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Heaters
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 18:21:21 EST

> Russel - I scrapped the Smith's years ago and bought one of RN's first
> Mansfield heaters.  It is a VERY good heater.  My son & I just drove
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> if they have refined the fittings.  I don't know what they are asking for the
> Mansfeild today, but it was well worth the price I paid. - Sanna@aol.com

As I recall, the Mansfield is roughly $500-$700 ish complete nowadays.

Did the fitment of the new heater require any mods to the bulkhead (or
anything else) or did it bolt right up??

Personally, I like my little smith's heater-it is my passengers that
complain!  Well, not entirely true, the heater itself complains if it
isn't warmed up yet (I get a groan out of the blower motor until the
temps rise up to about 65-70 degs C).  Never have flushed it, but if
I do I suppose it will live up to its name (of shinburner).

rd/nigel

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Subject: Re: Popping Engine 
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:19:52 -0800
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Granville,
	Before you guys get too carried away, check those plug
wires to make sure they are going to the apropriate cylinder.
					Rgds
					Mike Fredette
P.S. The gal at Rassmussen is holding a La Ruta Maya patch for
me, so I'll try and pick it up this week. Betcha thought I'd 
forgotten didn't ya?

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 01:40:50 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject:  mail bounced back to list

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    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 01:53:31 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Minor changes in List Services

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Essentially, this should not alter the level of service provided.

Please do note that the addresses for the Land Rover Owner list, or
other Team.Net lists which used to work as ...@transfer.stratus.com or
...@stratus.com  are likely to no longer work, as that host is no longer
the home of Team.Net nor is it the home of the Land Rover Owner
mailing list.

Major Domo, the list server for the Land Rover Owner lists can still be
reached at
                majordomo@team.net

Contributions to the list should still be sent to

                land-rover-owner@team.net

or the shorter alias:

                lro@team.net

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 18:19:47 PST
Subject: G-Wagon

Re the G-Wagon to be built in the U.S. From what I've read it will be nothing
like the G-Wagon we know today (available only as a gray-market import in
the U.S.). It's intended to compete with SUV's such as the Explorer and
the future 4WD offerings from Cadalliac and Infiniti. As such it will be
more car than off-road vehicle and odds are (my opinion) will not be as
good a blend as the Discovery or Range Rover but then the buying public
wants Explorers et al anyway.

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| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 22:31:49 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: re: plunged vs Rolled

Bill Caloccia corrects my math...
>Actually 70kph is 42 mph, but that extra half-second falling would
>'cellerate an object in free fall to ~52mph.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>     done for 1 significant digit, however, I rounded up (a 3 second fall),
>     while you truncated :-).

Actually, my calculations weren't even as accurate 1 sig digit, but were a 
series of succesive approximate guestimations, much like the pentium method 
of division.  <g>  In any case, Surely someone out there has a nifty physics 
calculator that will tell you how fast a Range Rover would be traveling after 
a 20 meter freefall.  (My calculators will do amortizations, but no 
accellerations.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: FHYap@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 02:16:37 -0500
Subject: Discovery v. Cherokee Limited

In December 94, 4X4 Australia did a direct comparison of the top of the line
Discovery ($65k Aus), Mistsubishi Exceed (aka Pajero/Montero, $75k Aus) and
Jeep Cherokee Limited ($48k Aus).  Even at over $17 (Aus) more, the reviewer
chose the Discovery over the Cherokee Limited.  (The reviewer also chose the
Discovery over the more expensive Mitsubishi)  Note, although the top of the
line Mistsubishi cost about $10k (Aus) more than the top of the line
Discovery in Australia (and a similar disparity in the UK), in the US they
cost (list price) about the same.  (Actually, you could probably get a better
deal for the Mitsubishi.)  Is the Mitsubishi underpriced or is the Discovery
overpriced in the US?

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