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1 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du27Re: Jeep Cherokee vs Discovery
2 LANDROVER@delphi.com 29A beautiful spring day.. in January??
3 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em31Re: Cadillacs and Rovers
4 BwanaE@aol.com 36San Francisco 4 X 4 trip
5 WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbi12Euro Headlights
6 Steve Firth [steve@firth27 Re: Jeep Cherokee vs Discovery
7 bfreeman@heartland.bradl9Please Subscribe me...
8 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo17Re: Jeep Cherokee vs Discovery


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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Jeep Cherokee vs Discovery
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 01:06:52 -0700 (MST)

John Brabyn writes:
 
< underbelly would be a nuisance for one thing, and I doubt it has the wheel
< travel of the Disco. Maybe, knowing 4WD & Off Road, their technique
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
< Iff you have any details of the off-road sections of the test they would be
< interesting.

The mag cites both has having 8 inches ground clearance.  Both are cited 
for front and rear overhangs that compromise approach and departure 
angles (compared to CJ, Wrangler and Defender) -- but it's nothing 
serious.  The Cherokee has optional Trac-Lok limited slip-differential; 
Disco has no such option.  Both drive systems perform well in the rough, 
but the mag gives Jeep the edge with "bigger-hammer motor".  During the 
test the Jeep had a throttle cable and coolant hose pop loose.   The 
Disco seatbelt could not be adjusted (like when getting out to scout the 
terrain) except on level ground.  That about all 4 Wheel had to say about 
off-road performance.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:50:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: A beautiful spring day.. in January??

Ahh... 55 degrees (F).. The snow and ice are melting.. the birds are singing
and I'm outside cleaning up yard debris.. But this is January 14th!! It
*should* be somewhere near zero with two feet of snow here... Go figure..

More suprises.. Fern's been sitting in the back of the yard for a while now.
I figured I'd start him up and dry off the engine... Lots of condensation
with the warm weather and cold metal.. Started up fine and the transmission
wasn't quite as noisy. Hmmmm... wonder if he'll move?? Tried 2WD but there
was too much ice under the rear wheels. Into 4WD and he backed up with no
problems... 1st gear works too. Turned him around and parked him next
to the '65. Damm! Must be a broken tooth or more on third gear and the pieces
have settled into the bottom of the tranny. I suppose I could drain and
re-fill it. I don't dare try driving anywhere though. Well, at least I can
use Fern to move stuff around in the yard. These Rovers never cease to amase
me..

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:10:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Cadillacs and Rovers

On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, T.F. Mills wrote:

> I also just took over as editor of same newsletter, so herewith follows a 
> shameless solicitation for subscriptions:  it's $16 for 6 issues payable 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> baloney slicer is also in that issue with an exclusive piece that even 
> the rest of you car-list-rejects haven't seen.

	There a few of the shameless type here... :-)  Our friend Jim
	Pappas writes the Bay State newsletter, Sandy Grice does the
	Virginia club newsletter, I do the Ottawa Valley one.  One thing
	the FAQ does not have however, is the cost of membership in
	the various clubs.  What I do know is:

	Ottawa Valley Land Rovers (E. Canada)	$20 for 12 issues(14 pp.)
	Solihull Society (Colorado)		$16 for 6 issues (20 pp.)
	Rover Owners of Virginia 		$?? for 4 issues
	Bay State Rover Owners Assoc (Boston)	$?? for ? issues

	Anyone have more numbers?  Being the new year, membership fees
	have probably changed and any information like this should
	probably be updated.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:48:31 -0500
Subject: San Francisco 4 X 4 trip

For: Gareth Seymore
       2 Cae Mansel Lane
       Gowerton, Swansea
       SA4 3HW   South Wales

From: Eric Cope   (bwanae@aol.com)
          209/ 736-9279

Gareth,

Read your note about your planned May '95 trip to SFO for some Calif.
touring. I'd be pleased if your group could pop by for a visit... maybe even
some convoy four-wheeling! We have a little house sitting on 20 acres in the
Sierra Nevada foothills about one hour from Yosemite National Park (a must
see), and about two hours from the  renowned Rubicon Trail. We could take
your rental 4X4, our two Rovers (67 LWB SW and 64 SWB beater) and my son's
monster pickup out to play.... might even get some other LRO netters from the
Bay area interested.

$200./week seems a pretty fair price for a rental 4X4... make sure the rental
contract allows off-road use... sounds silly, but most companies prohibit
taking their vehicles off the beaten path. Reference renting a Rover, this
may be a long shot but a fellow named Mike Green runs a 4-wheel drive
training-adventure-excursions  outfit called "Off Road Experience" that
utilizes Solihull products. He's based in Livermore, Calif. about one hour
from SFO airport. Give him a call... maybe he'll rent you one of his
vehicles: 510/ 606-8301.

Regards,  Eric.

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From: WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:45:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Euro Headlights

I kon't know if that's possible or easily done.  Good idea, though.
Something else I thought woiuld look cool would be _round_ headlights--
they sure look cool on old RRs.  Be sure and post if you find anything!

Henry Wilson
'94 Disco 5-spd

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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:09:14 +0000
From: Steve Firth <steve@firthcom.demon.co.uk>
Subject:  Re: Jeep Cherokee vs Discovery

T.F. Mills quotes "4-Wheel and Off-Road"

"The way we see it, the grand Cherokee wins by a
nose--that nose being the difference between its 5.2 liter V8 and
Discovery's 3.9 [and then some evenly balanced features]"

If all that separates the Disco and the Cherokee for some buyers is the
engine, there is a company local to me in the UK, Overfinch who specialise
in Disco/RR conversions. Their favourite engine conversion is to put the
LT1 engine into the Disco/Range Rover. With 325ft/lb of torque at 2,400 rpm
the LT1 is ideally matched to the Range Rover. I suspect though that the
new 4.6L V8 has cut sales of the LT1 conversion drastically.

If you want a 4WD for on rather than off-road use, Overfinch offer steering
and handling kits which include wheel rims suitable for the Avon Turbospeed
tyres fitted to the Bentley Turbo-R. With engine modifications and handling
kit, the Range Rover (Classic) can be converted into a limousine capable of
0-60 in 7 ish seconds, top speed somewhere over 125.

Though personally I can think of better ways to kill myself.

-Steve Firth, 1981 109" Series III Safari.

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Date: Sat, 14 Jan 95 16:39:39 CST
From: bfreeman@heartland.bradley.edu (Benjamin Freeman)
Subject: Please Subscribe me...

My internet address is  bfreeman@heartland.bradley.edu
Sincerely,
Benjamin F. Freeman
'73-88

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Date: Sat, 14 Jan 95 19:00:47 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Jeep Cherokee vs Discovery

Thanks Tom -- it figures! In the Four Wheeler test this month, they gave the
Explorer the benefit of top ground clearance too. I guess they only measure
it at the diffs; Explorers have huge shock mounts on the rear axle that 
virtually drag on the ground, but they don't count that. Both the Explorer
and the Grand Cherokee have very low breakover angles -- the minimum 8 inch
ground clearance is also just about their maximum!

Never mind -- we don't expect them to be objective like US, do we??!!

Cheers

John

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