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Subject: Re: Which one?
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 23:51:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Kelly Minnick" <kminnick@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>

RE: RR Vs Disco
Does the '89 RR have the 'hidden' door hinges?  Isn't there a lot of body
sway on a non-sway bar RR Vs the Disco?  I know my '87 leaned a lot, but
I just got use to it.  Never seemed to be a problem.  What about the 5sp
versus the Automatic trans??  Is the 5sp better off-road? (maybe the auto
is)  I know I got lazy with my RR and sometimes wished my sIII had the same
drive train (doesn't leak as much oil!).
Kelly Minnick  '73 Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:32:22 -0500
From: rwegner@fimage.synapse.net (Richard Wegner)
Subject: Lucas alternators and all that stuff!

Well, XMAS has come and gone, and a bright New Year is upon us. After
letting the Rover rest peacefully, because of the alternator/warning light
problem. I took the alternator back to the folks that fixed it, and
wouldn't you just know it, there was a * little wire broken * inside of it.
Put the alternator back on, turned on the switch and there it was a little
red glow on the dash. Warning light back on, alternator charging, everyone
is happy again.

I have been following the discussion concerning charging problems, and have
really enjoyed it. Especially liked 'the electrical flower pot' by Malcolm.
Kudo's to everyone who posted advice on charging problems.

There was a fellow back in December that had mentioned replacing his window
channels with * stainless steel * tracks. Would like to hear more about
this, if he could get in touch with me by Email or repost to the digest. Am
a great fan of metal that does not rust or corrode. Have replaced most of
the body fasteners on my Rover with stainless steel fasteners. Sure makes
removing the front fenders to work on the engine, a very simple task.

I also have been following the discussion on Weber carbs, I have a single
barrel on mine, and have found it to be relatively trouble free. The only
problem is icing up if the temperature is just around freezing. Would like
more info on how to make a manifold stove around the base of the carb.

Cheers!  Richard

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 07:50:43 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Misc. tots

Some misc stuff...

I turned to ch. 36 in San Jose tonight to record Silicon Valley Business and 
caught the tail end of a movie with what was definitely a lightweight 88".  
Dunno what movie it was (I had the CD player going), but I'll check and make 
sure it's on the list.  

The magazine Trailer Life features the Disco prominently on the cover as part 
of its SUV round-up.  I dunno, but it seems to me like an SUV is an awful lot 
to haul around on the back of a motorhome.  What ever happened to the 
electric tow vehicle someone was working on?

There was a moving truck parked outside the building I'm working in t'other 
day, and as I was walking past, I noticed something out of the corner of my 
eye that didn't register until later.  Like most truckers, this one had a CB, 
but the mike was not mounted on a fixed mount, but rather it seemed to be 
hanging from a string -- perhaps bungee cord.  Which sounds like a great idea 
to me.  That way, your mike is out of the way, but when you want to talk, 
just reach up and grab it -- no fumbling with some silly clip.  When you're 
done, just let go.  I'm not sure Bungee cord would be the best, but I'm gonna 
look into it.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: Bill Yerazunis <crash@icad.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:56:34 +0500
Subject: 94 Discovery

I also have a 94 Discovery, and yup, it dripped the exhaust manifold-to-
pipe nuts at about 12Kmiles.  I replaced 'em with stainless-steel M6 nuts
and that's held.  The front passenger doorlatch also came unscrewed 
at around 20Kmiles; that was an easy fix with a big allen wrench.

I got a number of "CHECK ENGINE" lights; the dealer has scanned out the
computer repeatedly and supposedly it's the idle-stepper motor but the motor
never seems to have a problem at the dealer's.  Next time it happens, he's
agreed to replace the stepper motor anyway.  The car runs fine when this
happens; it's just an annoying Lucasglitch.

The electronic key isn't bad on mine- I get about a 20' range IF I hold 
the key above window level.  The recieve antenna is inside the dashboard,
remember?

I haven't done any long-distance 4-wheeling yet, but I did use the D as
a counterweight for a two-person hammock.  Worked great.  :-)

According to my dealer, my D holds the dubious honor of the highest-mileage
D in North America- 25,000 miles.  It's been up and down the East Coast a 
number of times.  

The D "projects ki" very well.  No trouble driving it through Manhattan
a few times- even Gothamites seem to be somewhat afraid of it.  It's got
that "I don't mind steamrollering you" look to it. 

Gas mileage is 13 to 17 (in other words, crappy).  I've already got Mobil-1
synthetic in the crankcase; anybody have any opinion as to the suitability 
of using it in the automatic transmission (yes, there IS a Mobil-1 ATF), as
well as going to Mobil-1 synthetic gear oil in the transfer case, diffs, and
swivels?

Weaknesses: the door locks should be moved off the sill; the seats need a
better adjuster than the starwheel, and there should be an easy way to 
remove the rear seats entirely when you want a *big* cargo bay.  

Everything else is great; the car is about as solid as anything I've ever
dealt with.  The mechanicals remind me of pre-1960 lathes... "This machine,
if given proper maintenance, is designed to operate *for* *ever* *and* *ever*.
If it ever breaks, it's because *you* *f____d* *up*.  Replace what you broke, 
change the lube, and carry on."

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From: Bill Yerazunis <crash@icad.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:56:34 +0500
Subject: 94 Discovery

I also have a 94 Discovery, and yup, it dripped the exhaust manifold-to-
pipe nuts at about 12Kmiles.  I replaced 'em with stainless-steel M6 nuts
and that's held.  The front passenger doorlatch also came unscrewed 
at around 20Kmiles; that was an easy fix with a big allen wrench.

I got a number of "CHECK ENGINE" lights; the dealer has scanned out the
computer repeatedly and supposedly it's the idle-stepper motor but the motor
never seems to have a problem at the dealer's.  Next time it happens, he's
agreed to replace the stepper motor anyway.  The car runs fine when this
happens; it's just an annoying Lucasglitch.

The electronic key isn't bad on mine- I get about a 20' range IF I hold 
the key above window level.  The recieve antenna is inside the dashboard,
remember?

I haven't done any long-distance 4-wheeling yet, but I did use the D as
a counterweight for a two-person hammock.  Worked great.  :-)

According to my dealer, my D holds the dubious honor of the highest-mileage
D in North America- 25,000 miles.  It's been up and down the East Coast a 
number of times.  

The D "projects ki" very well.  No trouble driving it through Manhattan
a few times- even Gothamites seem to be somewhat afraid of it.  It's got
that "I don't mind steamrollering you" look to it. 

Gas mileage is 13 to 17 (in other words, crappy).  I've already got Mobil-1
synthetic in the crankcase; anybody have any opinion as to the suitability 
of using it in the automatic transmission (yes, there IS a Mobil-1 ATF), as
well as going to Mobil-1 synthetic gear oil in the transfer case, diffs, and
swivels?

Weaknesses: the door locks should be moved off the sill; the seats need a
better adjuster than the starwheel, and there should be an easy way to 
remove the rear seats entirely when you want a *big* cargo bay.  

Everything else is great; the car is about as solid as anything I've ever
dealt with.  The mechanicals remind me of pre-1960 lathes... "This machine,
if given proper maintenance, is designed to operate *for* *ever* *and* *ever*.
If it ever breaks, it's because *you* *f____d* *up*.  Replace what you broke, 
change the lube, and carry on."

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Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 09:13:05 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Disco named "Rover"

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Disco named "Rover"
Hello all, just "needed" to send off a note to articulate on my latest
antics, and announce the name of my '94 L.R. Discovery. First of all,
her (note gender) name is "Rover" in honor of her roots. Underneath all
the shine (well, mud at the moment...) leather, smooth ride, and fluff
sits the guts of what I totally believe to be the toughest truck
produced today. (Note: FOUR WHEELER magazine has announced the Discovery
their four wheeler of the year in the February issue, with one of the
drivers stating "The Discovery is the only real four-wheel drive in the
group.") While I've only owned her for just under 4 months, she already
has over 11K miles, many of which have been off-road. Her gender is due
to her being a Land Rover, as any rover owner can testify that they can
be temperamental, as woman can be. No offense, just the facts. (Mine is
still in that "newlywed" mode, and hasn't given me troubles yet.... but
the honeymoon's not over yet! ;) ) Or.... maybe the honeymoon IS over,
as I need to sell my beloved Rover. ;( I feel like I'm putting my
faithful dog of 12 years down to sleep! Heavy sigh.... but tough as it
is, it's what I must do.

On second thought... I will submit my antics in another note.... talk to
ya soon.

Dave & "Rover" - Phoenix Arizona USA

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |           thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:33:00 -0500
Subject: 6-cyl questions

For John Hess:

My workshop manual supplement for the NADA 2.6 litre specifies Champion N4
sparkplugs gapped to .030

If you do decide on a re-bore, a special jig is required due to the unique
cylinder head configuration. FWIW, I have dealt for years with Tom Gannon of
British Rovers in Lewiston, California (up near Redding). His work has always
been excellent and thorough, and as I write this his shop is doing a re-bore
on my 67 LWB SW, NADA 6-cyl. I'm very fussy about who lays hands upon my
"baby", but I trust Tom. His number is 800/LD-ROVER  if you want to call and
ask him questions about your engine's travails.

Regards, Eric.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:14:52 -0600
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: 2.25 petrol engine for sale (TX - USA)

I'm passing this on for a friend. I don't know anymore about it than what's
in this note. Contact him directly for more info.

Engine coming out 1/7/95 in favor of a chevy conversion.

For: Good runner, 120 lbs compression in 1-3, #4 cylinder is 115, new/used
- distributor, intake exhaust manifolds, newly sanded and painted oil bath,
engine cleaned.

Against: Recently noisy lifter, burns a little oil at startup, leaks like a
Rover. Keeping modified alternator and electronic ignition.

Sell is as whole for $450 + shipping. Will part out in late Jan. if no offer.

manifolds - $50
distributor - 40
oil bathe - 25
head - 100
block - 100
starter - 20
oil pump - 35
water pump - 40
carb/zenith - 100

Call John Spitta (512) 472-3666 ext. 308

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Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 10:20:11 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Rover antics...

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Rover antics...
Hello again, It's been several weeks since my last post of "Rover
antics", not because there hasn't been any, but I've just been too busy
to post. Well, I'm STILL busy, but what the heck...

Last Thursday I had to take off work early to pick up my kids (10 and
11yr olds) from my ex-wife and since it was early afternoon, we decided
to go "Rovering"! I found a LARGE area where a new planned community is
going in and there are several lakes being built, golf courses, numerous
roads made by a single pass of a tractor, and LOTS OF MUD! (It just
rained for several days prior.) We had a FANTASTIC time! The kids LOVED
it, we stormed at high speed through numerous pools of water, and much
mud. (If you live in the Phoenix AZ area, it's on the South side of Shea
blvd. across from Fountain Hills, and seems to be about as large as
Fountain Hills.) This couldn't have come at a better time, as the heavy
rains had washed off all the mud that I had on "Rover" from the past
weeks in Sedona and Flagstaff Arizona. Ahhhh.... nothing like a nice mud
bath to remove that new car feeling. ;) Nothing overly deep, probably no
more than 18 inches, but great fun anyway! I wasn't overly concerned
with treading lightly, since these were going to be paved roads anyway.

Then on Friday, the singles from the Church group I belong with decided
we'd take our 4wd's and go out romping and stomping, and find a great
place to pray. My friend's Grand Cherokee was not in good working order
(no flames please, but this is no surprise...) so it was down to 11
guys, my Discovery, and my friend's Trooper. Mine holds up to 7, but we
only had 6 in it. We went down to the Salt river, and romped all over
the numerous trails, sand, rocky hill climbs, loose rocks, and a little
water. We didn't do any river crossings since the river was flowing
pretty fast and deep with all the rain we had lately.

Warning: "bragging" time: The Land Rover was BY FAR superior to the
Trooper! The poor little Trooper had a lot of trouble getting up the
loose rocky hills, and needed some rocking forth and back and took
several minutes of effort getting up one little section of hill. I
patiently waited at the bottom of the hill, away from the danger of
flying rocks and watched the gallant efforts of the little
"pooper"/Trooper. Then, when he cleared I just crawled up with
absolutely NO effort, very little wheel spin at all. The first time, I
even stopped half way up the hill (waiting for my friend) and re-started
while on a loose rocky incline! Then, at one point, the "pooper" got
stuck in some shallow water with loose river rocks, and I had to tug him
out with my tow strap. After this recovery, my friend was laughing,
saying that he thought I was going to pull off his bumper, because he
thought I was going too fast (about 5-10 mph) but he didn't realize that
it was an energy (oh drat! I forgot the name of that silly strap)
"stretchy" strap, and snapped him right out! My friend made some feeble
attempt to explain the Trooper's performance blaming it on the weight of
his Trooper being less, but I don't think it's that much less than the
Rover. Then he said "That's a "real" 4 wheel drive, isn't it?" (Meaning
it has locking differentials) but I assured him that they were "open"
just like the Trooper's. (That's when he mentioned the weight thing.)
But then, he could have bought 3 of his age Troopers, for the price of
the Rover. The old adage, you get what you pay for...

When we stopped to pray, we shot some arrows into a target he brought,
talked a bit, then sang some songs, and had a GREAT prayer time. All in
all, a great time with some great friends.

Saturday, we "all" went to see a movie, "Dumb and Dumber" (Appropriately
named. ;( ) and while in the theatre, some @#$-@%$ yanked off one of the
tail light guards, leaving in it's place a hole in the aluminum body of
the Rover where the bolt was pulled right through! Another heavy sigh...
Then, my oldest boy, 15, returned from visiting his mom in Las Vegas,
and of course, wanted to go 4-wheeling! (Especially after seeing the
muddy truck!) So, Sunday after Church, off we went, to find more mud and
water! However, most of the water was dried up, and only a few mud
patches remained. I also had a friend's 6 year old boy with me this
time, who was (note the past tense.) terribly afraid of off roading.
Well, with the laughter of my kids, and MUCH reassurance, he overcame
the tears and fears, and actually wants to go again! His mother was
grateful too!

Tragedies of the past weekend: Tail light guard ripped off.
(Figuratively and literally.) Coffee spilled all over the insides.
(Thank God for leather seats that are easily cleaned.) and undoubtedly,
more of the infamous "desert pin-stripes."

Benefits: Friendships bonded, closeness with my kids, a small child's
fears conquered. In my opinion, well worth the cost.

On a side note: The CD player worked AMAZINGLY well! It only skipped 2
times during ALL the 4wd activity and these were at a high rate of
speed, with the truck loaded with people, and bottoming out the
suspension after getting at least a foot of air under both rear tires!
"Normal" off-roading had NO adverse affect!

My only regret is that I must sell the Rover. Anyone interested??? Did I
mention that it's never been off-road? ;) New, lower price! ;)

Take care, tread lightly and safely...

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |           thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 12:11:49 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Various

Joseph writes with problems with the electronic ignition.  I'm not familiar
with the Alison unit but have been running with the Luminition one for six
years now (and if *it* starts acting up, I'm gonna hunt you down! ;->).
Unlike the mechanical breakers, electronic ignition fails all at once...no
sputtering or missing telling you its time to clean and gap the points.
Fit the points and if the problem goes away, order the Luminition (unless
the Alison unit is under warranty).  One of the main reasons for failure is
overheating of the power control module: mount it in an out of the way spot
as far away from engine heat as possible.

Chris writes with a pulsing question - feedback through the brake pedal.
This is fairly common in older Rovers: one or more of the brake drums is
warped or out of round.  Any brake shop should be able to turn them as long
as the max diameter is not passed (10.06" if I recall).

Jimmy asks: "was your LR's previous owner an idiot?"
The previous owner of mine was British Leyland.  QED.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
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    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
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    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 09:46:19 -0800
From: Jimi Patel <jimi@voyager.Jpl.Nasa.Gov>
Subject: Range Rover 85 Brake problem

Greetings from the Earthquake Country [Granada Hills, S. California]

Fellow Rover experts,

Yes, it's that time again... My name is Jimi Patel and I own a 1985 Range Rover
automatic. I have a problem with brakes. When I brake, the RR won't stop dead,
it decides to stop whenever. It seems that there is air in the system, but I 
purged all the air-out and replaced the brake fluid. I repeated this process
several times now, still with no effect. The pedal goes all the way to the 
bottom [not spongy], I have tried pumping it, still won't stop the RR in time.
The braking system is not leaking any fluids anywhere. 

I replaced all the pads [OEM Lucas] the rotors were turned, new check-valve, 
seal and vacumme hose replaced etc.

I am somewhat at a dead-end now having tried everything from the book and would
appreciate any suggestions or hints.

P.S.

I drive a Suburban when I brake the "bus" stops DEAD. Am I,  expecting too much
from the Rover???

Many Thanks,

Jimi Patel..

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 16:15:04 +0000
Subject: Famous rover owners - January 1995

Here is the current list of famous people with Land Rover vehicles (or 
good connections with them)

Please send and additions/corrections to Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk

-------------------------------------------------------------
Elizabeth Windsor (et al) - Range Rovers, dicoveries and Defenders 
(numbers?)
          Queen Elizabeth - A Bronze Green 110 Defender (manual)

John Rhys Davies owns four and he says he couldn't be bothered with the
	new Discos or Range Rovers (they're "devoid of panache").  His
        fleet includes:
        	a IIa 109 with roof-tent in Kenya, an ex-RAF '88 110, a 109
		Luten-body workshop vehicle with Lincoln arc-welder soon to be
		a 130" and an indeterminate 109 with advanced frame cancer (a 
		"project vehicle").  
	The latter three are at his residence on the Isle of Mann.

Ross Perot - Several  -- Series IIa's and III's

Jane Fonda and hubby Ted Turner also own a pair of the US-spec Defender
        110's they keep at their western ranch (i.e., the state of Montana).

Ralph Loren has a couple of NA spec 110's, but painted black.  

Robin Williams - 110 Defender, but used to drive an 88 before Mork 
Bryan Adams - 90 Defender (possibly a RR/Defender 100" hybrid)

Kevin Costner - a black 88 (I, II, III, hybrid?)
Sylvester Stallone - 109
Oprah Winfre (sp?) - Defender (90/110?)
Rosanne Barr-Arnold - Range Rover

Sean Connery.  Defender 90 at his estate in Costa Brava, Spain.
                                           Confirmation please?

Anika Rice (UK TV personality) - RR based dune-buggy (UFS 475 Y?). This
        may belong to the TV company though.

Vanessa Williams (the 1984 ex- Miss America who had her crown withdrawn)
	New grey Range Rover LWB County...

Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman - Range Rover LWB
Demi Moore and Bruce Willis - Range Rover LWB
Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid - Range Rover LWB
Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith - Range Rover LWB (Now split up? - who
        has the 'Rover?)
Mel Gibson - Range Rover
Michael Douglas - Range Rover
Jane Fonda - Range Rover
Emilio Estevez - Range Rover
Patrick Swayze - Range Rover
Jack Nicholson - Range Rover
Stefanie Powers - Range Rover
Michael J. Fox - Range Rover
Rod Stewart - Range Rover
Cher - Range Rover
George Michael - Range Rover
Barry Manilow - Range Rover
Michael Jackson - Range Rover
Richard Branson - Range Rover
(British Army Officer) Col. Hewitt - Range Rover

Janet Jackson - Dicovery?  (Gift from agent or someone)
Sting - discovery

?Kath from EastEnders (UK)? - Range Rover <-- actually, it was her
        boyfriends.

Robert Wagner - ?

They Want...

Ralph Lauren -- approached LRNA with the concept of a Ralph Lauren RR
Chris Evert -- "Andy's [Mills] the art lover," says Chris.  "I'd rather
        have a Range Rover than a $40,000 painting."

Historical.....

Paul & Linda McArtney - [in 1969] The happy McCartney family posing with
        their Series One, apparently a Station Wagon.
      I don't know about currently, but up until fairly recently Paul 
        had a Cairngorm Brown SE complete with Genuine Part side steps and
        Bull Bar

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     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
#======================================================================#
Pessimists are often pleasently suprised by life, |Land Rover owners do
optimists find it full of disappointments.        |  it in the mud.

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Date: 09 Jan 95 13:10:02 EST
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: Replace Eng.

Fellow LR Owners,
I am about to replace my 6 cyl.2.6l 1950'ish Rover engine contained in my NADA
1967 109 SW with a Turner re-built 4cyl 2.5liter which I recently imported from
the UK.The fellow who is going to do the work is a Gary Landers who works just
outside Wash. DC.Has anyone had any experience with this fellow and please send
me your comments about this conversion.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Benjamin G. Newman
Ps I am also going to change out the old series 11 tranny for a re-built series
111.

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: Yakima Rax
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 10:17:00 PST

The tower extension I have are manufactured by Yakima, and I believe they 
have three different size extensions but that AB only sells the tallest. 
 It's the only one that'll work on a LR.  Again, mine DOES contact the sides 
of my roof.   But it causes no harm and seems to only "rest" against it. 
 I'd prefer to have the gutters be the sole point of contact but...    And I 
am very picky about my  critter.  The top is very nearly perfect (well one 
grawnch from a low hanging ponderosa pine branch) and I would not let the 
rack inflict damage to my beloved LR.  If you want, you can send me your 
snail mail addr and I'll send you a photo of the rack in place.

Gerry  

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:17:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Rover with Beemer motor

I talked my girlfriend into buying a 1973 BMW 2002 Tii last week
after her 1989 VW Cabriolet blew its engine.

I feel kind of retroyuppie with a '69 Land Rover and a '73 BMW.

We took it to the local BMW gurus, Hardy and Beck (H&B), in
Berkeley for some minor repairs.  They had a pamphlet describing
the BMW takeover of Rover.  Now, I don't know how true this is
but the pamphlet said that Range Rovers will soon be fitted with
the BMW V8 for North America and that they will start servicing
newish Rovers at this BMW shop.

Can anyone verify this?  They have not heard anything about the 
BMW Turbo diesels, just the gas guzzlers.

Ciao,

Morgan
U.C. Berkeley

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 14:37:20 -0500
Subject: Lulubelle

I bought my IIa (Lulubelle) new in 1970.  It has 1/3  million miles on it,
and I have just passed it on to my son at U of O in Eugene.  We just drove it
out to Oregon from Wisconsin and it ran like a top  on the road, but around
Helena, MT it started to die at stop signs and become difficult to restart.
 Sometimes, after a little breather it would do the stop and go's, idling
fine (sometimes not).  Carburator icing has been suggested, but the prob
continues in the warmer climes of Eugene.

The engine has been running "better than new".  It had a .10 over rebuild at
150,000 and it was "freshened" at 230,000.  For the last 15 years it has had
a Atl-Brit header installed (after cracking 3 exhaust manifolds), and has
evolved from the original Zenith, to a Rochester, to the current 1-lung
Weber.  The local WI garage just replaced the fuel filter, plugs, points,
condenser, and ingnition wires just before the trip.  They tried to time it
with a light and got it all wrong, but I re-static-timed it to TDC before the
trip.  Both tanks were sand-blasted and lined 5 years ago.

Any ideas on the cause of the faultering?  I've been looking for a Zen Rover
mechanic in Eugene, but no luck yet. - Tony

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Date: Mon,  9 Jan 1995 15:21:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Range Rover 85 Brake problem

Hey Jimi, 
I'm no RR guru, but it sure sounds like your master cylinder is shot.
Let us know what happens.
Jon

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Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 16:41:12 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Lulubelle's a Stumblin'

Tony writes:

>>We just drove it out to Oregon from Wisconsin and it ran like a top  on the 
road, but around Helena, MT it started to die at stop signs and become 
difficult to restart.   Sometimes, after a little breather it would do the 
stop and go's, idling fine (sometimes not).  Carburator icing has been 
suggested, but the prob continues in the warmer climes of Eugene.
>>We just drove it out to Oregon from Wisconsin and it ran like a top  on the 

Tony, 

Just a guess- how much of a difference in the altitude is there?  If it is 
significant, it could be running richer.  Try turning in the idle mixture 
screw 1/8 at a time, noting your starting point for reference should this not 
work.  

Buy your son some tools, a dwell meter, and a Haynes manual for the Rover.  
1st set the points.  If it has a Lucas distributor, gap the points to .016, 
then set them to about 60 degrees with a dwell meter (trial & error).  If you 
have the later distributor, sorry, I don't know the figures.  Have him clean 
the points with a point file to be sure (yea, I know the garage did it, but I 
just don't trust 'em), then set the timing to 6 degrees BTDC.  Do this even if 
the mixture screw is the answer.  It'll make it run MUCH better than if set at 
TDC.

Good luck!

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 15:30:13 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Lulubelle

In message <950109143719_3563435@aol.com>  writes:
> I bought my IIa (Lulubelle) new in 1970.  It has 1/3  million miles on it,
> and I have just passed it on to my son at U of O in Eugene.  We just drove it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> Any ideas on the cause of the faultering?  I've been looking for a Zen Rover
> mechanic in Eugene, but no luck yet. - Tony

Check the points to see if they slipped. Look in the fuel pump sediment bowel. 
You might have gotton bad gas.  The sediment bowel will tell you if you have 
water or if you pumped major crud into the system.  There could be a number of 
possibilities besides these.  If these do not fix the problem, inspect condition
& adjustment of everything you would do in a tune up.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:28:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: 4-wheeler mag: Rovers galore

The Feb. issue of 4-Wheeler magazine is the issue to get for Land
Rover owners of any model.  Usually this rag is filled with jacked
up chevy trucks that are likely to tip over on any cambered road.
But, this month there are several articles featuring the aluminum
workhorses that we all know and love.

1)  As we have heard, and why I went out to get this issue, the 
Discovery is the 4X4 of the year.  "The only real 4X4 tested".
"Even a better babe magnet than the Defender"(last years winner).
"Goes everywhere the other trucks did, with the diff. unlocked", etc.

2)  The Transyllvania Trophy finally makes the pages of an American
magizine.  I read articles about this event in LRO, Land Rover World,
and 4-wheel and SUV magazine at the end of Summer '94.  Filled with
Land Rovers, including the infamous shot of a Camel Disco sunk half-
way up the windshield, makes for fun reading.  Of course the writer does
go on and on about the Jeeps et al.,  then finishes by hoping that the
next Warn Challenge is close enough for American 4X4s to enter.  I can't
wait to see the Jeeper set get their ego a little deflated, like a punctured
35x15x16 Super Swamper.

3)  On the last page, reserved for classic stock rigs, they detail a 
vehicle close to my heart (and pocket book):  1969 Series IIA 88".
This completely stock Rover was refurbished by Cheshire Auto in New
Hampshire, with a short plug for Rover$ North.  Words just can't 
explain my awe looking at this beauty.

4)  Finally, a here!here! goes to one Conrad Rego of NY (a RR owner) who
says in a letter to the editor that Rover vehicles are seemingly absent
from the pages of this magazine.  The editor makes some lame excuses and
notes the few spots Rover vehicles have been featured.  Last month, however,
the editor "dissed" an Arizona Land Rover owner in the readers' rigs 
section (a nice Ser. III) wondering "why anyone would want to [steal it]".
The reader just wanted to find some other owners to go rovering (new verb)
with.

Well, I am going to send a nice letter to the editor of this 
rag stating my gratitude for the coverage of Land Rovers in this issue.
I'll also describe my vehicle as an example of a modified Land Rover,
having the Chevy 250 truck engine with a Holley carb., a 1" lift from
Rancho add-a-leafs in the rear and rearched springs in the front (R.P.
Reid did a similar mod. to his with good results).  And Rancho 5000
shocks all around.
  
I would like to 
encourage others to do the same, maybe we can turn this magazine around.

Ciao,

Morgan Hannaford
'69 88"
U.C. Berkeley

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 18:36:30 PST
From: grea@virgo.net.gov.bc.ca (Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.))
Subject: Brake Fluid

Hows this for a survey question:
How many pedal pumps does your LR need before the brakes kick in? 

Mine is up to 5 and I am seriously thinking about getting the horn working!

I have changed the brake shoes and things seemed to improve by 1 pump.
When I bought this thing the guy told me I had to use a special type of
brake fluid because of some natural rubber seals used somewhere in the 
braking system. Well I haven't done this, but then again I havent been
losing much fluid either. Has anyone heard about needing this "Special"
brake fluid? Also, when I finally get presure on the brakes and stand on
pedal, it STAYS hard and DOESNT slowly leak to the floor. Only when I have
taken my foot off the brake and driven a few blocks do I have to pump up
the brakes again. Bleed the brakes? Master cylinder? Use the handbrake
to stop ? 

As for previous owners:
When I bought my LR ( 65 IIa ) I failed to notice that the	
front and rear tires were different sizes. Eager to use the 4WD I drove 
up a mountain to play with it in the snow. It was snowing a little when
I headed down so I left it 4WD. When I hit the dry pavement the LR was
all over the road. I fought it for a few miles untill I pulled over and
took it out of 4WD.
This event might have had something to do with the teeth missing on
the crown gear of my rear diff.

g.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:15:34 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: ruta maya?

British Car magazine covered la Ruta Maya in the June 1994 pp 28-34.  
Features the Disco on the cover.  Editor Dave Destler was a participant on 
the run.  He also has a great editorial wherein he relates how the SoCal 
quake affected him.  (He was on his way to the airport for la Ruta Maya when 
it hit.)

British Car     June, 1994      Issue #49       pp 28 - 34
Monkeys, Mud, and Mayan Gods    by Dave Destler

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:45:43 -0800
From: justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald)
Subject: Was your previous LR owner an idiot?

Jimmy (jimmyp@netcom.com) poses the question:,
>We have had polls on names of land-rovers, names of the list, celebrity
>rovers, movies with rovers, etc. Here is the question i would like to ask:
>Was your LR's Previous Owner an idiot?
none

Well, I hate to go pointing fingers here, when I'm so often an idiot
myself, but let's just say the previous owner of my 88" relied heavily on
the vehicle's durability.

The guy I bought it from was a beach bum who used to to drive from his home
in Venice (CA) to the nearby surf spot and back.

When I drove it home...
-The choke had only one poisition, ON, so when you'd driven it long enough
for the engine to heat up it started flooding.
-Third and fourth gears didn't work (synchromesh clip, typical on II
trans), had never worked while he owned the truck.  He had a margerine tub
full of trans parts the previous owner had given him.
-Alternator didn't work much, had to push start it (he lived on a hill).
-The rear main oil seal was MISSING.  I found this out later - wondered why
when I parked on a hill pointed upward, oil ran out.

But hey, how can I criticize him - I bought it!  (and have since spent
about 10X the purchase price restoring it).

Fred Heald                                      justfred@netcom.com
WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ju/justfred/fred.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you know where a meteor mill land, you can go there and get hit."
        -Andrew S. Grove, Intel President/CEO, about the Pentium bug
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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:45:43 -0800
From: justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald)
Subject: Was your previous LR owner an idiot?

Jimmy (jimmyp@netcom.com) poses the question:,
>We have had polls on names of land-rovers, names of the list, celebrity
>rovers, movies with rovers, etc. Here is the question i would like to ask:
>Was your LR's Previous Owner an idiot?
none

Well, I hate to go pointing fingers here, when I'm so often an idiot
myself, but let's just say the previous owner of my 88" relied heavily on
the vehicle's durability.

The guy I bought it from was a beach bum who used to to drive from his home
in Venice (CA) to the nearby surf spot and back.

When I drove it home...
-The choke had only one poisition, ON, so when you'd driven it long enough
for the engine to heat up it started flooding.
-Third and fourth gears didn't work (synchromesh clip, typical on II
trans), had never worked while he owned the truck.  He had a margerine tub
full of trans parts the previous owner had given him.
-Alternator didn't work much, had to push start it (he lived on a hill).
-The rear main oil seal was MISSING.  I found this out later - wondered why
when I parked on a hill pointed upward, oil ran out.

But hey, how can I criticize him - I bought it!  (and have since spent
about 10X the purchase price restoring it).

Fred Heald                                      justfred@netcom.com
WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ju/justfred/fred.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you know where a meteor mill land, you can go there and get hit."
        -Andrew S. Grove, Intel President/CEO, about the Pentium bug
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 00:50:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Misc. tots

Roger looks at big trucks and gets ideas....

> There was a moving truck parked outside the building I'm working in
> t'other day, and as I was walking past, I noticed something out of the
> corner of my eye that didn't register until later.  Like most truckers,
> this one had a CB, but the mike was not mounted on a fixed mount, but
> rather it seemed to be hanging from a string -- perhaps bungee cord.

Bungee cord sounds about right... but I think you need a real light weight
one. It's either that or you build up big muscles in your right arm!!!
My "little" brother is a trucker, but I can't remember exactly how his mic
is set up.. bungee cord sounds about right though...

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 

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Subject: Extra Fuel Tank
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 22:13:04 -0800 (PST)
From: "Kelly Minnick" <kminnick@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>

RE: Fuel Tanks
As I have mentioned before, I am putting a second tank under the driver seat
of my LHD '73 Safari.  I had to remove the seat box (which has dibbs on it)
and I am currently trying to fit a right-hand tank to the left hand.  The 
filler hole is cut along with the bench in the rear. Since the filler hole
in the tank is offset to the right, what special type of hoses or welded
up filler neck is necessary?  Midas (a muffler shop) says he can make me
a special adaptor, but I would need some kind of special hoses to connect
this.  Any ideas?  Also, since this is a USA CA vehicle, I had this bullet-
proof metal can under the left-hand bench for fuel-vapor recovery.  Do I
need to re-install this somewhere, or do the smog people check for this?
Also, I don't have 4 outlets (large filler, filler vent, fuel line to pump,
and tank to reservior) on the NEW tank.  It must be an older tank before
the charcoal canister was required.  Do smog guys check to see if the two
tanks are tied together?  I was planning on just running the one vent line
from the right tank directly to the charcoal canister.  Is this a problem?
I don't want too much fuel to go to the canister and cause a source of fire!
On another note... I need the covering on the inside of the firewall (the
fake vinyl looking stuff) and floor/tunnel covering.  The LR parts are about
$89 each from Craddocks.  Any ideas?  Seems a little pricey!
OK - one last question before you all go to sleep.  I am looking into putting
ARB air lockers on (at least in the rear). Does the front help that much
(Vs the $750 price).  And, will I be destroying axles if I install this?
I have already driven this vehicle up so pretty wild hills that friends
couldn't go up with junk tires in second gear.  They were amazed (I was inside
).  I told them it was typical! (yeah, right)  Thanks for the help in
advance.
Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:18:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Brake Fluid

Gordon's next move is to buy an anchor...

> Hows this for a survey question:
> How many pedal pumps does your LR need before the brakes kick in? 
> Mine is up to 5 and I am seriously thinking about getting the horn
> working!
none

Sounds about right!
> I have changed the brake shoes and things seemed to improve by 1 pump.
> When I bought this thing the guy told me I had to use a special type of
> brake fluid because of some natural rubber seals used somewhere in the 
> working!

CASTROL GT-LMA brake fluid. I found out the hard way with a Triumph Spitfire
in the dead of winter. I had rebuilt the clutch slave cylinder and used some
American fluid. A few days later I had *no* clutch at all. That was 21 years
ago so maybe things have changed but since then I've only used Castrol and
never had that problem again.

As far as your problem goes, sounds like there is air in the master
cylinder. It's a bitch to bleed since it sits at a odd angle. Some people
have had luck with priming or filling the master cylinder barrel with fluid
before installing it and then bleeding it. Others have had to get the front
end of the truck higher than the back end. Try bleeding it again.

> As for previous owners:
> When I bought my LR ( 65 IIa ) I failed to notice that the      
> front and rear tires were different sizes. Eager to use the 4WD I drove 
> working!
-----snip-----
> This event might have had something to do with the teeth missing on
> the crown gear of my rear diff.

Bucked a little bit, did it.. :)  You're not the first.. or the last!
Good luck with the brakes.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:18:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 4-wheeler mag: Rovers galore

Morgan gets revved up about 4-wheeler...

 
> The Feb. issue of 4-Wheeler magazine is the issue to get for Land
> Rover owners of any model.  Usually this rag is filled with jacked
> up chevy trucks that are likely to tip over on any cambered road.
> But, this month there are several articles featuring the aluminum
> workhorses that we all know and love.
----snip-----
> Well, I am going to send a nice letter to the editor of this 
> rag stating my gratitude for the coverage of Land Rovers in this issue.
----snip-----
> I would like to 
> encourage others to do the same, maybe we can turn this magazine around.

I pick up an issue of 4-Wheeler (and other) magazine from time to time. Once
in a while you see a Land Rover pictured. I doubt that it ever will be more
often than once in a while. The reason is simple.. Advertising.. How many
ads for Land Rover dealers, suppliers, etc do you see in these rags? Pretty
durn few. You might have some luck getting an article published of a Land
Rover event - with the right pictures and words..

To change the subject slightly... I picked up a book a while back called
"Four Wheeling" (Courage Books ISBN 1-56138-400-3 for those who care!). One
of the authors is Gary Wescott who is an Editor-at-Large of Four Wheeling
magazine.. Some of you may recognize the name Wescott from The Turtle
Expeditions.. then again, maybe you won't!! The first Turtle Expedition used
a IIa 109 through Guatemala and Central America. This is a pretty good book,
Rover-wise. Lots of Land Rovers from a lightweight to a Discovery. A bunch
of pictures of Camel Trophy stuff. Some greenlaning in the UK.

Only one thing with this book bothered me... There is a picture of a
IIa 88 with a real bizarre camo paint job and a massive roll-bar/roof-rack.
The picture might be in Moab.. Nice shot of the Rover, but it has a bumper
sticker on the front that reads "Jeeper Jamboree"...  ?!?!? License plate
number CSZ 305 (can't make out the state) if anyone knows this clown.. :)

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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