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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 03:23:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Looking for Floorboard Seals for '57

Kathryn...

ONLY 16 months!! :) How much of this has been on the kitchen table??  

OK... easy to get in touch with Craddock or any other supplier in the UK.
Just pick up the phone and dial! Keep in mind the time differance between
the US and the UK. You probably may want to call when it's morning in the
UK otherwise the lines may be busy.

A good alternative is to fax a request... quite a bit cheaper too. I prefer
to fax since I can fax out from my PC at home.

Phone numbers... (remember to add the country code -044- before the phone
number...) I've included a few others...
John Craddock - voice 0543 577207 or 0543 505408
                  fax 0543 504818
A.E.W.Paddock - voice 0629 584499
                  fax 0629 584498
Merseyside    - voice 0514 868363 or 0514 860066
                  fax 0514 865986

You can pay with plastic.. Usually Visa or M/C, maybe American Express.
You're billed in British pounds but the credit card company converts that to
US dollars.. hopefully at a good rate! They will generally ship by air which
isn't *too* expensive for light items and only takes about a week. Surface
shipments are a little less expensive but take a lot longer.  Some suppliers
may send you a catalog on request..

Good luck with it
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Date: 08 Jan 95 09:07:04 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: info

Alan asks about auto conversions.   Ian Ashcroft  tel 011 44 582 76101 does a
transfer box conversion which makes the gearbox change for auto simpler

headlight bezels, the flush type is designed to use with sealed beam units on
which the steel rims fit directly to the  panel, steel bowls are not used since
the rear is protected ! by the rad. wiring is clipped to the underside of the
top plate and is also protected. 
 the panels are interchangable , but the light units are not. the flush type
have a smaller hole and holes to suit the light unit.  an enthusiast could
modify the old type by welding in an adapter plate, 
regards  Bill Leacock.  67 109.     limey in exile.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:36:16 -0500
From: Jimmy Patrick <jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Whoa! I'm not worthy!

Maloney,

I am not worthy. A while back when I started this whole electrical problem,
situation, virus, you said:

>BINGO!!!  Actually, you do have a charging light.  If you have an early IIA
>with ammeter in the instrument cluster (amps/fuel), it is located at the lower
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>the key to indicate all is well, then go out once the engine is started and
>running (and charging).

And then I said something like "I lied. I lied, I DO have a charging lamp."

Well, I did not have a charging lamp and thus there was no "tickle" for the
alternator to begin charging. You called the problem sight unseen with your
first guess. Wow. Now I have rigged up a charging light and banished the
evil prince to  "1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA." Sorry
about that Sandy.

Now the question is, should I unleash another problem on to the net. If I
bring it up will everyone else come down with the same problem??

Oh heck. Here goes.

When I turn off the ignition switch, the motor wants to continue to go. I
guess the LR is so happy to be working that it never wants to stop again
(don't I wish). So at first I thought it might be part of the electrical
problem, i.e. some kind of short in the switch. But it appears that the
switch works, the ammeter goes flat and the charging light goes (stays)
out. But the engine keeps on running.

Also I got the Haynes manual on the weber carbs that said it covered the
ICH but it turns out to cover the 32ich. Is this carb similar to the
34ich??

Sandy, If you don't let your Land-Rover read the digest, it won't get any
bad ideas about imitating my Land-Rover. Keep all digests away from the
prying eyes.

Thanks to all for the help with the electrical problems.

Oh, yeah. I had to join the AA at the roadside because she decided to die
on the shoulder last night. At least she died right by an SOS box. The
mechanic was great and helped me rig up an alternator tickler just until I
got home to put in a lamp.

We have had polls on names of land-rovers, names of the list, celebrity
rovers, movies with rovers, etc. Here is the question i would like to ask:

Was your LR's Previous Owner an idiot?

Sorry to go on and on and on.

Cheers,

Jimmy

jimmyp@netcom.com
jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk

--

CKS|Partners                                            0344-382114
Advertising & Marketing Communications            fax   0344-303192
                                                  

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 14:37:13 MST
Subject: Used Disco vrs RR

Kelly wants input about used a Disco, so here's some.  I bought a new 94 Disco 5
spd in June for just over $32K including tax and AZ license, but no options. 
Can't understand why a used Disco is running $33K+ in CA.  Is that due to local
taxes?  

So far (about 7300 miles) here's a status report.  I got it 16 June and after
500 breakin miles went up to Colorado for several weeks.  Did some pretty rough
driving out on slick rock and sandy terrain above the Colorado National
Monument near Grand Junction and was VERY impressed.  The Disco has great
stability, super articulation, very impressive turning radius, great vision. 

Also went over Engineer Pass at 12,800 from Lake City to Ouray (RE: LRO Nov 94
pp. 178-181).  That was a piece of cake in the Disco.  All the other vehicles
on the road were Japanese imitations or SWB Jeeps -- and they were all groaning
in low 4WD.  We rode in comfort with a radio and no dust and still in high
range.  The ABS really came in handy on the steep and loose descent into Ouray. 
I could feel them cycling on and off most of the way down.  The other guy with
me was in a 92 Pathfinder and had to use low range and was skidding.  Did see a
red RR part way up from Ouray, but was busy watching the curves and didn't get
to stop.  That was 31 July -- anyone out there remember the day?

Problems during the first 7300 miles have been minor.  The exhaust manifold to
tailpipe nuts fell off from both sides after the first 4W shakedown.  Made the
Disco sound like a dragster -- very throaty.  Made people turn their heads for
sure.  Fixed the exhaust with standard 8mm X 1.25 thread nuts from a local G>J>
fasterner supplier for $1.50.  LRNA told me they have had a similar problem
with 110s but haven't heard from Disco owners.  Anyone else?  The electronic
key is weak and bogus.  Doesn't respond unless you approach from the driver's
side and get about 10' away.  The door locks in gerneral are badly designed for 
urban life.  Unlock the driver's door and ALL doors unlock.  Lock it with the
electronic key and the metal key sets off the alarm.  No way to lock the dopor
from the inside except to reach behind you a push down the button.  Pulling up
the button to unlock from the inside is also a pain.But this is just a list of
trifles.  The Disco is one VERY IMPRESSIVE machine.

It lacks the style, charisma, and personality of my 109" BUT, it has
superlative amennities like a real radio, wipers that REALLY wipe, outstanding
heater and air conditioning (same system that goes in the Lexus the service
manager at the dealer said), ABS, more power than you can believe for a Land
Rover, and great comfort -- but it still isn't my 109.

Mileage isn't too bad either.  Around town -- if you don't use all 182hp -- you
can expect around 13.5mpg (US).  On the highway I got 17.7 from Silver City NM
to Tucson AZ on the Interstate at 75MPH with the air  conditioning going full
blast (it was 105 degrees outside).

The rear seats are situated higher than the front seats so your boys will be
able to see everything.  The 60/40 rear seat is great for luggage.

RE: license plate names.  Some of my friends call my 109 "DOG" because a lot of
people have a dog named Rover, but few people have a Rover named Dog.

Rob			51 SI 80"  16136629
			60 SII 109 164000620
			94 Disco 5spd
		used to own 67 SIIA 88"   24420297B   Anyone seen it?

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Date:         Sun, 08 Jan 95 17:21:29 LCL
From: Joseph Broach <PC7170@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      points,anyone?

     My '67 IIa was equipped by the previous owner with an Allison electronic
ignition system from Crane Cams Inc. All of a sudden, it has begun to cause
problems. First regardless of mixture, the plugs were fouling. Then last
weekend, after driving flawlessly the previous day, the landy wouldn't climb
the driveway. The #1 plug was not even firing. I switched plugs to no avail.
Wires, coil, cap, and plugs are new. Nothing obvious is wrong with the system
after checking it thoroughly today. Allison will replace all the parts it
takes to get it running, but I am seriously considering ripping it out and
reverting back to the original system, points and all. Any suggestions on
the problem or the swicth would be most appreciated.

                          Rgds,
                          Joseph

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Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 19:02:09 -0500
From: Andrew Steele <ad158@dayton.wright.edu>
Subject: repost 88 RRinfo?

Sorry to ask, but could someone please forward to me the posting about what to
look for when buying a 88 Range Rover.  I deleted all of last weeks notes;
today my Uncle just called and said he's going to look at one for sale in
Columbus, OH.  Somewhat under $10,000.

                please send to:    ad158@dayton.wright.edu

On a diferent note, in Tom Sheppard's book, "The Land Rover Experience" I got
to looking at a close up photo of a coil sprung and air suspension on a RR. 
(Page 144-145).  It would appear to me that the physical installation is
almost identical, electronics excluded.  As such, has anyone given thought to,
or already completed, a switch from coils to air suspension w/ manual controls
to avoid the complexity of the electronic "brain"?  Just a thought.  

For those people considering rebuilds and coil installations, why not just
skip right on up to air suppension?

Waiting for enough snow to be worth while ---  only 1" yet this year..
However an alley one street down is all ice on a decent grade, but other than
10 minutes of play; not altogether satisfying.  Oh well

Andrew
Dayton, OH
** looking for a diesel 109 or 110 (if any exist in the US) **
\

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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:46:03 -0500
From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Footwells replaced--at last!

Seems like I've been working on it for weeks...really about three...but the
footwells, doorposts, and mudshields on both sides of my SIIA are now new.
I can no longer watch the front wheels turn while driving and don't have to
wear boots during a heavy rain. Thanks to all the people on the digest who
talked me through this.

...now a few more questions:

After bleeding the brakes (total flushing was required since I had to
remove the master cylinder and brake servo, not to mention that I took the
reciprocating saw through the left front brake line while cutting out old
metal) I went out for a test drive. During a panic stop the right front
brake locked up and the vehicle dramatically veered to the right. I
returned to the garage and rebled the left front brake. Back out on the
street the same thing happened, plus a regular pulsing sound coming from
the right front under normal braking. Is this something that I can correct
with the brake adjusters? The brakes worked fine before I removed the
master cylinder and replaced the line.

Clutch question. Again after bleeding the slave cylinder...actually
replacing all the fluid (by the way I worked for half an hour trying to
reach that bleed nipple from under the car. Imagine my delight in finding
the access cover in the floor)..anyway, on the test drive there was a lot
of squeeling in all four gears. Is this the sign of a bad clutch plate,
bearing or what?

Chris Stevens
BCG Corporate Communications
Towson, Maryland
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
Chrisste@cerf.net

 R  1  3     2   H            "Land Rover's first, because
 +--|--|     |   |             Land Rovers last."
    2  4     4   L            '69 S.IIa 88"

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Subject: Re: repost 88 RRinfo? 
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 95 21:13:09 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

>   Sorry to ask, but could someone please forward to me the posting about what

You can looke in the recent postings by sending a request to
	majordomo@chunnel.uk.stratus.com

do a 
	index lro-digest
and it will respond with a bunch of 6 digit file names like
	941231  and  941231.toc
where the first file is the messages (from the digest) and the second
is just the table of contents for that digest.

then you send another message to him with
	get lro-digest 941230.toc
	get lro-digest 941231.toc
	get lro-digest 940101.toc
	get lro-digest 940102.toc

And he'll send you the table of contents or whatever files you ask for (that 
are in the index).

FAQs are also availble at that address.

    Cheers,
	--bill	caloccia@Team.Net	caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:27:12 -0800
From: jory@mit.edu (jory bell)
Subject: Re: Whoa! I'm not worthy!

>When I turn off the ignition switch, the motor wants to continue to go. I
>guess the LR is so happy to be working that it never wants to stop again
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>switch works, the ammeter goes flat and the charging light goes (stays)
>out. But the engine keeps on running.

I had this problem too (it's called dieseling...). For what it's worth,
switching to higher octane fuel ended my dieseling.

>Was your LR's Previous Owner an idiot?

Worse. The previous owner was a lawyer...

Actually, it was terrible, since before I bought it, the rover hadn't been
driven in something like 10 years, but it *had* been garaged... but before
putting it in the nice comfy garage, the only preparation was to drive
around on the salty roads of an upstate New York winter in order to ensure
that everything below the doorsills was given an ample chance to corrode...
I also liked the addition of the riveted panels in the footwells which made
it impossible to remove the floorboards. The only bonus was finding about
$13 dollars in change that had fallen into the nooks and crannies when I
took the whole thing apart...

-jory

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: LR in Roxanne
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:10:26 -0700 (MST)

Ian Stuart wrote on 5 Jan.:

< Similarly, in Roxanne (the Steve Martin film) he as a 109 - is it an SII?
< Where was the film shot and who's was the 109?

Roxanne (1987) was shot in Nelson, B.C., masquerading as an unspecified 
US town.

Before y'all rush out to see the video, be forewarned there is no Rover 
action.  Opening and closing long shots show the front of what appears to 
be a late IIA parked in Martin's carport.  A bush bar and winch (or tow 
hitch) obscure the grille.  No idea who's it was, but maybe one of our BC 
or Washington friends would like to take a little drive to the foot of 
the mountains and see if it's still there.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:53:20 -0800
From: jory@mit.edu (jory bell)
Subject: tangential reference

some friends if mine are looking for some relatively scarce vehicles (see
below).
anyone on the list know where i could point them towards?

my friends are located in southern california.

thanks
jory

> a) Willy's Jeepster Commando, convertible top preferred
> b) Jeep Commando, pre 1971, 6 cylinder, convertible top and rollbar
> preferred, manual transmission required.
> Caroline also has it in her head to get an AMC AMX with a manual
> transmission.

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