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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 1995 14:35:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Bezels & BS

Maloney ponders bezels...

> that there is no headlamp bucket with this installation, does this
> lead to problems with the back of the lamp exposed?  Will this fit
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> there any disadvantages aside from slightly restricted lighting with
> these assemblies?

Sticking out?? exposed??? could have a lot of fun with this, Bill...
Don't think the "exposed" wiring shoild be much of a problem since it is up
high in front of the radiator. Depends on how much muck you go through. Do
you know if these assemblies mount in the same holes???

> On another note, I just got the latest Harbor Freight tool catalog, and
> Mike Lokodice was looking for an engine stand.  They have on sale:
> directly into a later US IIA with buckets and lamps that stick out?  Are

Thanks, Bill.. Once I catch up from Christmas, I might order one.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 11:46:47 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: D-90 hardtop 

On Wed, 4 Jan 1995, Mike Fredette wrote:

> 	Yea, those Range Rover/Disco folk, they tend to forget where thier roots
> are. That or they just plain don't know that they are driving decendants of 
> greatness.

They ARE driving greatness -- as well as descendents of greatness!!

I guess it's true most of them don't recognize their ancestors, however!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Subject: Which one?
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:16:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "Kelly Minnick" <kminnick@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>

RE: What to buy?
Looking for either a '89-'91 RR or '94 Disco.  Which would be better to own?
The used Disco's are still pretty $$$ (about $33K for a 'D' with 3.5K - 9K 
miles).  A RR is about $16K to $24K.  Have a family of 4 (two boys 10 & 11)
and go out 4WD just about every week-end (except when I do total frame-ups).
Rear door Vs tail gates... ABS, alarm, external spare... Unsure...
I have owened a '87 RR.  Loved it.  Situation forced sale...(sadly).
What about it Disco owners???

Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari (almost - need good weather to paint back 1/2)
Ridgecrest, CA

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Date: 07 Jan 95 21:28:48 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: recent digest's

previously I have routed my wanderings on the delights of lr ownership to the
digest via Bill C.  as a novice computer player I am still hesitant with the
black box. herewith a few snippets arising  from the last 2 or 3 digests:-
 John Hong writes about 88 bodies on 90 chassis, etc
 there are now several sources of 90 chassis in the U.K. some legitimate and
some illegitemate. the Arrow sevices chassis is made about 30 miles from where I
lived until about 3 months ago when I fled the shores of Landroverville to live
in sunny NY. they are quite well made and relatively simple to use in modifying
a leafsprung motor to coil, of course you need all the other parts as well, take
care in buying them in single items, it works out expensive , better to buy a RR
rolling chassis for around 3 or 400 pounds ( 450 to 600 $) more expensive if you
want the 3.54 differentials which fetch 150 $ in the UK.
 the 88 rear body is shorter than the 88, s/h prices in the UK for a 90 body are
around 600$. of course thetops are also shorter,
 the differentials in 88's and 90's are interchangable but the ratio's are
different ser 2 and 3's have  4.7 to 1 ratio. the diff's from 90's ,RR's and 110
fronts are also interchangable but 3.54 ratio. which is too high for a 2.25 with
normal 4 speed gearbox.

 whilst on the subject of diff's Gordon Rea asks about wheel sizes and diff
damage. The differential in the lr was first used in a rover car in the late
forties, the first lr's had engine power of less than 50hp. over the years the
power has been boosted to 77 hp for a 2.25 petrol and the weight has increased
significantly, consequently the diff and the half shafts are  not really strong
enough for the application, even on motors which are well looked after stress
fatigue will eventually break the parts.

 the uk lr's are issued as standard with 16 wheels and tyres, the swb with 6.00
or 6.50 tyres and the 109 with the larger 7.50 tyres these are around 33 in
diameter and nort recommended by lr for fitment to a 88 because of the bodyy
clearance, however the use of 7.50 tyres is common, particularly for offroading
where the ground clearance is needed. the tyre dia is more important the the
wheel dia for the loading of the transmission. aggressive tread tyres also load
up thesystem in addition to increasing the fuel consumption and are thereforee
to be avoided for normal road use.

 chassis number 111800065 is a 1958 UK rhd 88 wheel base petrol. a 1953 model
would have a serial number 36100001, the figure 3 rep. 1953, the style which was
used up till 1955. it is easy to check whether the number is appropriate since a
53 would have an 80 " wheelbase. 

 series 2A's were fitted with flush headlight mounting in the years 67 and 68,
immediately before the lights were moved into the wings in 1969. The complete
front panel would need to be changed to fit this type of light, this change
heralded the fitting of sealed beam units instead of the older type with
separate bulbs, the military kept the old style.

 the charging saga. a 1960 lr would have been fitted with a positive earth
system and a dynamo. Max output of around 20 amps. the ammeter fitted as
standard would be rated for and wired to this system. an alternator will easily
put out 40 amps, some much higher. the std ammeter will not tolerate this output
and usually melts down. another word of warning, many alternators have a small
drive pulley which results in high speed and a low belt wrap angle, thus making
belt slip very easy under load. 

 Bill Leacock   limey in exile.
 1967 109 ex military and approx 100 toy lr,s and 40 RR's

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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 03:17:23 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Mail Hosts Changed

Hi  Folks,

    Due to some changes forecast for the primary mail server,  the whole of the
Land Rover Owner mailing list and digest has been re-home to originate from
the host which is doing the digesting - Chunnel.UK.Stratus.Com.  Thus, all
your messages will pass through the UK (then back to the states, then...)

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        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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Date: Sat, 07 Jan 1995 22:46:20 -0800
From: "Kathryn Krages [remote]" <krages@ohsu.EDU>
Subject:  Looking for Floorboard Seals for '57 LR 88

My husband Bert has a '57 Land Rover 88 that he is restoring (it's
only been 16 months so far).  He is looking for floorboard seals for
the brake and clutch pedals.  He has tried the usual Land Rover
suppliers in the US (like Rovers North, British Atlantic, etc.) but
they don't carry them.  Any suggestions on where he can find those? 
A Land Rover person here in Portland suggested he could obtain the
seals from John Craddock in the UK but Bert doesn't know how he would
place an order with them.  Any information on how to do that?  Thanks
for the help.  
--Kathryn Krages
krages@ohsu.edu

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Date: 08 Jan 95 02:28:35 EST
From: "Alan M. Murphy" <74243.1133@compuserve.com>
Subject: Hello?  Anyone there?

I heard about this address on a BBS in Seattle, but I'm not 
sure what the format is.  I'm a LR owner ('69 88 II-A), and 
am interested in sources and encouragement in making mine a
more "mobile" auto!  Let me know how to further get in touch.
Thank you, Alan Murphy 

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