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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 08:16:32 +0000
Subject: Re: License plates

I've been saving this one:
	21444U

{think imperial, not metric}

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optimists find it full of disappointments.        |  it in the mud.

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:34:53 -0500
From: Jimmy Patrick <jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: I have done it.

Walter said:

>When do you plan to return to California?  How will you be shipping this
>beast back?  Roll-on/roll-off to the East Coast?  Container to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>people who would like to help you stuff it with parts (and share the
>cost, of course).

I'm not sure yet as to my return to California. It should be sometime in
Feb or March. I plan to get it on a container to the east coast and then
follow the now famous Hess trail across the country. (from east to west,
Roger :->.) As soon as I know how big the container is and how many parts I
can stuff in there, i will offer to carry some back. (maybe I could trade
for a sleeping spot on some floors strategically located across the
country??)

And then he asked:

>BTW, just how big was the pile of hard-earned cash you exchanged for your
>new pride and joy.  We are always interested in comparisons.  Just
>academic curiosity, of course <8->)

It was a big pile mainly because I don't have a bank account here in the uk
and i had to take it out of ATMs 200 pounds at a time. It cost me about the
equivalent of 3,000 dollars US. (if you work at customs, however, I am just
lying to everyone and it actually cost much much less than that and I will
be glad to pay duty on the full purchase price thank you)

Cheers.

jimmy patrick

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:37:00 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Rover Babe!

Just in time for Christmas (or whatever holiday you celebrate), I received 3 
copies of the May, 1992 Playboy with the Land Rover in it.  There's a bimbo 
obscuring a goodly portion of it, but it's definitely an older 88" with a 
pickup cab and canvas on the back.

So, one copy is for me, the other two are on the block.  Highest bids over 
$10 by 12/25 midnight get 'em.  (Anything over $10 will go to LROA -- If 
Sandy can do it, so can I!)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Subject: Antennas
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 05:58:42 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

> I've got a another one mounted on the inside left wing -- not very good due 
> to the aluminum stress, but it looks cool.  (There's an eye bolt to keep it 
> from waggling too much.)

The previous owner had installed a cheesey can antenna on the rear of the
left wing, but the flexing of it wasn't doing the wing any good, and I
fixed this by using an 1/8" aluminium plate on the underside - much larger
than a washer - this will spread any wobbling out.  

I had a K-40 CB Antenna, and decided that the best place to mount it would
be high up - on the drip-rail/roof seem.  The K-40 mast removes with a
quarter turn (convient for those low branches). The only problem was I
couldn't find a rail mount that had a plate large enough to mount the 
K-40 mast on, so we MIG-welded the stainless steel K-40 right angle plate to
the rail-clip part of an ordinary truck-stop antenna mount (ordinary steel
with chrome plate).  {Chris Stevens now posesses that mount, and I don't
think he plans to use it.)

Happy Chrismas,
    Cheers,
	--bill	caloccia@Team.Net	caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           Land Rover:
      |--|--+  o  |   |           "The Best 4x4xFar" 
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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From: Carl Byrne <SPECBB@CARDIFF.AC.UK>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:28:33 GMT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

E-mail me direct if you still haven't been sorted out - I will have 
all the details at home.

Carl (UK)

PS re you inquery re manuals.
Dr.Carl Byrne
University of Wales College of Cardiff,
Wales.
UK.

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:08:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: spin on adapters

Ok...the spin-on adapter I have was brought over in my suit case...
so if you want to pay for my air fare......
I know that many of the parts suppliers had these parts..

I shipped out of M+M services ,Denbigh, Clwyd...(not a typo folks, it's in 
Wales.) Mike Morris is the owner and a very nice fellow...
He had several adapters at 30 quid (asking price) and will ship to the US 
(the poor bloke had a whole container load of stuff spread over his shop 
for *way* too long)
Tel And Fax (0745) 70237
Also try A.J. Flanders at Tring Four Wheel Drive (044)872523
or Agricultural and crosscountry vehilces 
at (0562) 730404   or  (0562) 748862 fax
or David Lane at Tim Fry Land rover
(0242) 516028 (mostly new..can get used)
Shipping on this piece should be minimal..it only weighs 2 pounds or so..
The two bolt holes have to be drilled slightly larger to take the 
mounting bolts and the oil pressure fitting is metric thread...so your 
stock oil pressure adapter will not fit...I'm still trying to figure this 
one out myself....

steve

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:32:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mixing Fuels

Ben Smith wanted the other 5 paragraphs about ignition timing, so see below;

Brad Krohn writes;
>...
>I know there's a thumbscrew for the "vernier adjustment," which affects 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>essentially "fine-tuning" of the distributor, or what. Where should it 
>be set?

>From Series ll owners manual;
Ignition Timing, petrol models
In addition to automatic timing advance mechanism, the distributor
incorporates a hand setting control, known as the octane selector. This
is a vernier adjustment attached to the distributor,fitted with a
sliding portion controlled by an adjusting screw and a calibrated scale
marked R and A with a number of divisions between. The standard setting
for the ignition is with the long line of the scale on the sliding
portion against the mark on the selector body, thus leaving one division
further possible advance and four divisions retard.

This setting is correct for 80 octane fuel and with a clean engine, but
should pinking develop as a result the need for decarbonising, the
control can be retarded a little by turning the screw in a clockwise
direction. Do not forget to return it to the origional position after
decarbonising.
In certain countries very low grade fuel is supplied, in which case it
may be necessary to  adjust the octane selector to avoid pinking, even
with a clean engine.

Further 5 paragraphs on ignition timing.
Should the distributor have been disturbed, the ignition timing must be
reset as follows:-

1.    Set the contact breaker point gap to .014 to .016 in. (0,35 to
0,40mm) with the points fully open.

2.    Rotate the engine in the running direction until the 3* mark, when
using regular fuels, or 6* mark, if premium fuel is used, on the
flywheel is in line with the pointer, with both valves on No. 1 cylinder
closed.

3.    The distributor rotor will now correspond with No.1 cylinder high
tension lead terminal.

4.    Set the octane selector so that the fourth line from the left-hand
side of the calibrated slide is against the face of the distributor body
casting.

5.    Slacken the pinch bolt at the base of the distributor head; rotate
the distributor bodily in the opposite direction to the arrow on the
rotor arm until the contact breaker points are just opening with the
fibre cam follower on the leading side of the cam; re-tighten the pinch
bolt. 

Pffhhweeuuu!!!
Jon

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From: Kelly Minnick <kminnick@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>
Subject: Rivets
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 06:54:09 -0800 (PST)

The rivets I'm talking about are used to hold the weather stripping on the
doors, LR name plate in the back, etc.  If you look closely, they are sealed
to the weather when you are done installing them!
Kelly Minnick
Ridgecrest, CA  '73 88" safari

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:45:57 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: OVLR Newsletter

I just got this month's OVLR.  For those who are interested in Lightweights, 
there is a very interesting column on identification of the variations of the 
model, with both text and pictoral representations.   There is also a very 
humorous piece on the definition and use of mole wrenches.

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From: Kelly Minnick <kminnick@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>
Subject: LRO
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 07:43:59 -0800 (PST)

The LRO Bookshop number is (from the us add 011-44) 379-890-111.
The LRO Shop is 379-890-056.  Subscription in the US is 50 pounds (about 1.47
dollars/pound.  10% discount on books if you are a subscriber...

How are we supose to answer mail?  I guess I've been answering people direct.
Do I answer to lro@team.net ALWAYS?
Kelly (little confused) Minnick
Ridgecrest, CA  '73 88" safari

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:54:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: side panels..

I posted once before but I don't know if it made it...
Wanted! 109 2 door roof side panels......with or w/o windows(in North 
America please)

thanks,

steve......

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 11:06:56 EST
From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I received messages from a number of people saying that they had made 
purchases of used Land Rover parts from the man in question in Great 
Falls, Montana.  All that privately responded had some sort of problem
to report.  Some were now satisfied, but had long waits for the rest
of the bits to complete whatever it was they purchased.  The most
interesting comment came from a fellow in Hampton VA.  I had mentioned
people having had some poor experiences with the "Montana Connection" and
he received fuel tanks with bullet holes in them.  The guy handeled it
as a joke and said that the tanks could be patched.  Paul was said to
have stated "If I wanted to patch up an old tank I could have used the
leaking one in my 109 without having to spend $50.00".  He never got a
refund.
There were pleanty of others with disapointing dealings.  The most
interesting came from some of the Canadians at the Mid-Atlantic rally.
Dave and a friend of his had some interesting comments.  Dave is from
Toranto, can't recall his last name.
Good luck everyone.
R&D

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From: Bill Yerazunis <crash@icad.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 11:22:16 +0500
Subject: Land Rover antennas

Re: antennas

I have a '94 Discovery (steel top) and find that mag-mounts work, but tend
to scratch the top paint.  

Much better solution: glassmount antennas!  Larsen makes glassmount antennas
for CB and Ham, and just about everybody makes a glassmount cellphone
antenna.  (I haven't found a glassmount GPS antenna yet- unfortunately, so
my current GPS looks up through the front windshield, or occasionally hangs
off a coax to a homemade "spiral eggbeater" that I tape to the top rails.  
Anybody got a source for GPS glassmount antennas?).

The only thing to watch out for is that the rear windshield wiper tends to
sweep a lot of the glass- you can only use the bottom left, upper left, and
a *tiny* corner of the upper right of the rear windscreen.  

Other hint: '94 USA Discovery has it's fuel-injection computer under RH seat,
and the airbag computer in the center console, right under the center 
glovebox.  Avoid those areas when installing radio transmitters.  Also avoid
ALL the yellow-spiraflex-jacketed cabling- that's the airbag wiring.  I got
this hint direct from Land Rover USA, in Maryland.  (great guys!)

	-Bill

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 11:31:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: side panels..

On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Steven M Denis wrote:

> I posted once before but I don't know if it made it...
> Wanted! 109 2 door roof side panels......with or w/o windows(in North 
> America please)

	You can drop this region from your search parameters.  Nothing here
	that is surplus.  Those with them want them, unless of course
	you want to buy an entire vehicle.

	Rgds,

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From: Bill Yerazunis <crash@icad.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 11:22:16 +0500
Subject: Land Rover antennas

Re: antennas

I have a '94 Discovery (steel top) and find that mag-mounts work, but tend
to scratch the top paint.  

Much better solution: glassmount antennas!  Larsen makes glassmount antennas
for CB and Ham, and just about everybody makes a glassmount cellphone
antenna.  (I haven't found a glassmount GPS antenna yet- unfortunately, so
my current GPS looks up through the front windshield, or occasionally hangs
off a coax to a homemade "spiral eggbeater" that I tape to the top rails.  
Anybody got a source for GPS glassmount antennas?).

The only thing to watch out for is that the rear windshield wiper tends to
sweep a lot of the glass- you can only use the bottom left, upper left, and
a *tiny* corner of the upper right of the rear windscreen.  

Other hint: '94 USA Discovery has it's fuel-injection computer under RH seat,
and the airbag computer in the center console, right under the center 
glovebox.  Avoid those areas when installing radio transmitters.  Also avoid
ALL the yellow-spiraflex-jacketed cabling- that's the airbag wiring.  I got
this hint direct from Land Rover USA, in Maryland.  (great guys!)

	-Bill

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 11:42:07 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: e-mail address for posting vehicles for sale???

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: e-mail address for posting vehicles for sale???
I wonder if anyone knows of an e-mail address to post a vehicle for
sale in the U.S.A.? If you know of any such thing, please reply.

Thanks, Dave....

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |           thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:04:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mail address for posting vehicles for sale???

Sorry to hear about your vehicle. Bummer!
You can post nationwide on;

netnews.rec.autos.marketplace

I don't know what type system you have but on our andrew system we type
in the above address and then click on the "Verify" button. This gives
you the complete address. Or maybe this is the complete address.
Good luck
Jon

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 11:16:11 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Land Rover antennas

I too use a glassmount antenna for the CB, mounted to the top right hand
corner of the windshield. It unscrews easily when not in use and puts the
antenna up high for best performance.

I too wish the GPS folks would come up with more convenient antenna mounting
options.

Cheers

John Brabyn
Mill Valley, Ca
89RR

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 11:16:11 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Land Rover antennas

I too use a glassmount antenna for the CB, mounted to the top right hand
corner of the windshield. It unscrews easily when not in use and puts the
antenna up high for best performance.

I too wish the GPS folks would come up with more convenient antenna mounting
options.

Cheers

John Brabyn
Mill Valley, Ca
89RR

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 11:27:47 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Air bags / 90 Quality / Ca Plates

Re the airbag question generally, do they go off when you ram into something
such as an off-road obstacle you want to push out of the way? There seems
to be a problem getting winch mounts and bullbars that are "approved"
for use with airbags -- it's taken them a year to gome up with a winch
for the Discovery and I don't know whether there is one even now for the latest
airbag-equipped Range Rovers. If they save your life, I guess they're worth while
while, but I'm just curious.

John Brabyn
Mill Valley, Ca
89RR

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:41:16 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: This & That

Re: OVLR

Sorry, I had to run from my desk in a hurry and hit the wrong (send) button. 
 
The Mole Wrench piece is by none other than our very own Mike Rooth.  If his 
past pieces of wisdom caused you to place him in high esteem, this article 
should change all that :-).  Contact Dixon at dkenner@emr.ca if you're 
interested in a subscription.  It's really worthwhile, loads of fun, and comes 
every month (even if the Sept and October issues say Sept, and you 
occasionally see two copies of the same article in the same issue - come to 
think of it, that was a VERY well written and WONDERFUL article, so I guess 
that isn't such a bad thing after all ;-) ).

Re: LRW

Just came Monday.  The cover is a 5.0 V8 110 with Nitros Oxide, or why snap 1 
rear axle when you can snap all 4.  Fun stuff.  There's a good article on 
cylinder head replacement, and they have a photo of the original valves 
from the engine, and in the text say it was devoid of any burnt out valves.  
However, one valve looks very burnt, and appears to have a triangular peice 
of it missing.  Hmmm...   There are also two pages devoted to the Portland 
meet.  They look like some very nice vehicles, and I believe that Domingo 
Dias' Camel Trophy (in the caption it's listed as a copy) 110 is included.  
Nice truck.  For anyone wanting to subscribe from the US, dial 011 44 81 646 
6672 before 7:00am US.  It's, L90 for 18 months air mail (a whopping increase) 
or L55.80 surface (which should get it to you shortly before LRO)  Dixon and 
Sandy are both mentioned in the Club section.

Re David Brown's post about vehicle for sale postings:

I for one would be glad to see them (if it's this list that you were referring 
to).  I'm always curious to see what's available, and how much it's going/went 
for.  Dave, I'm sorry you have to part with your Disco.  I don't know the 
reason but it doesn't sound like a happy one.  Once you sell it, you could 
still use some of the left over cash to save some poor series Rover.  Besides, 
having an older Rover to work on tends to give you something to focus on 
that's disconnected from your other problems.  I know mine have proven to be 
invaluable therapy in keeping my mind of job related and social hassles.  

More than I really meant to say.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: D-90 hard tops.
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:30:09 PST

I have been getting the run around from the local dealer on when
I will see a hard top. Since Rovers North has some in stock, I
figured that New years weekend will be a good time to schedule a ski trip
in vermont. (never mind that there is no snow) So I will be heading
east wednesday of next week.
On a different note I have installed a scond battery in the D-90.(
I had a new spare one laying in the basemnt floor.) Two batteries
fills up the drivers seat storage quite well. I also installed an
aux heater under the passengers seat. Drilling the 3.5 inch holes
with a hole saw can be quite an experience. After breaking every drill 
I owned that was close to a .25 inch, I finally used a phillips
head screw driver with a .25 inch shaft as a pilot drill. This was
great, as not only did it not break, but the handle of the screw driver
would help keep the hole saw from bouncing around (saves the hands,)
The air flow from the heater could be a little greater, but it does
do a good job of heating the passenger seat (who says defenders don't
have heated seats)

I also am trying to figure where to put the gerry cans on the
D-90. So far the best I can come up with is on the spare tire carrier.
I think one on each side of the spare would work. I did see the ones
on the Land-Rover video for the Camel trophy, but I have a hard time
thinking of 10 gallons of gas as a 5 mph bumper. Any other ideas
on where to mount gerry cans on a D-90

I also am planning to build a bed in the D-90 for a trip to Utah
in late Feb. (I still have not sold this to my wife yet). It looks
pretty straight forward. I will keep you updated as the design gets
a little farther along.

Well I'll quit the rambling.
Have a good holiday. and keep those rovers roving.
Russ

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Subject: forwarded from Bill Leacock
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 19:39:29 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

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	id SAA23809; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:34:23 -0500
Date: 21 Dec 94 18:32:12 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Christmas.
Message-ID: <941221233212_75473.3572_FHQ58-2@CompuServe.COM>

Thanks for the card, now I know what to look forward to on my return home.
 A few more of my meanderings.
 Re the Rover 75. From around 1948 until the early sixties Rover made a model of
car calld the P4, this had acommon body style ( although minor styling changes
were made over the years ) Variants of this model were the Rover 60, which had
the 2 litre F head engine which was similar to the LR except it was a high
performance model with an aluminium cyl hd and an S. U. carburretor giving it 60
h.p , the Rover 75 had a 6 cyl engine which was basically a six cyinder version
of the first LR engine at 2.2 or 2.4 litres( I do not have my library here so
this is from memory)  adn developed 75 h.p., the Rover 80 which had the LR 2 1/4
litre 4 cyl gas  engine which was 77 h.p. ( nearly 80) so by now you have worked
out that the number was the engine power. Then there were the Rover 90, 95, 100,
105,&110 which had a six cylinder engine of 2600c.c. which was basically the 4
cyl   1600 c.c. engine with another two cylinders added and the stroke changed..
As time passed they were able to tune the engine  to develop more power and the
number changed. The last one being in the sixties with a twin carb engine. This
six cylinder engine was used in it's detuned form in the LWB until the advent of
the stage two V8 around 1980. Hope I have'nt bored you!! 
 I have a contribution to make regarding  speedometers which will be a bit drawn
out so I'll do it in the new year ( if I can remeber after all the Christmas
pud) Have yourself a very Merry Christmas, don't fret too much about the Rangie,
I hope you have not left it parked at Heathrow. Were the wheels insured ?. Two
months of no Landie ends tomorrow,  YIPPEE ( is it O.K. to shout ? ) then after
only ten days I have to say godbye again!! BOO HOO!. Bye for now .  Bill
P.S. . I have a drawing of an early ser 2 LWB chassis which was used for the
coachbuilders to design bodies, it is about 3 foot square and so difficult to
copy. I recall someone asking about a drg. Incidentally the chassis basic
dimensionscan be found in the workshop manuals.

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Subject: Parts
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 10:13:33 -0500

Kelly Minnick <kminnick@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes:

> I have a few more questions/comments if anyone is interested out there!
> 1.  Does anyone State side have a source for these solid one piece pop rivets
> that are used on the body so they don't let water in?  All the ones I find
> are open to weather when they are used...

I have two kinds of rivets that may be of interest.  Blind pop rivets 
look like regular rivets, but have a solid end.  I also have solid rivets 
like the ones that hold the back galvanized bit to the box.  these came 
with a special tool (borrowed from a friend). If you can figure out how 
to do these, let me know.

For the first, try a fastener shop, or a marine place(used on aluminum 
boats) .  My friend got the second type from Lee Valley Hardware, in a 
sale bin for next to nothing.

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:06:35 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess)
Subject: my first fix it

Howdy all,

I gather from comments made in the last couple of days, the list has
brought up subjects that were covered in months past.  I for one, (newcomer
that I am) am glad these things are reappearing.  I plan to add a third
hinge on back and put the spare tire there, saving the hood for spare 2 if
I desire.  I am also happy to have some paint codes so I can see about
getting paint locally.

I just finished changing my speedo cable and could have used a few more
pointers than the ones russell gave me over the phone.  For one, I threaded
the new cable along side the old cable, THEN figured out I need to put the
transmission mounting flange on the new cable BEFORE threading the cable
under the beast.  Second, an overdrive really gets in the way of removing
those three little bolts (actaully just one is bad).  I used a 1/4" socket
and had to use universal then extension then 8mm or I couldn't get things
to work for me.  I had to take off the extra little plate (held onto the
transmission with two straight slot screws) to get out the broken cable.  I
WAS smart enough to realize that when I pulled the old cable out and could
only see 1 end, it was probably still left in the transmission.

Tomorrow, I warm the beast up, check the timing, adjust the valves, clean
the air filter and then on friday get re-smog tested. I ran the beast low
on gas then put a couple bucks of super unleaded in just to see if diluting
the lead substitute will help the emissions go down.  My mechanic says he's
never heard that lead substitutes can increase emissions and noone on the
list has got back to me about this, but I could see a couple of ways it
could.  (I may or may not replace a bunch of ignition parts I bought as
spares before the drive home from ME.) If I fail, then I go after carb
adjustments.

Thanks for reading this, keep posting those old helpful hints, happy holidays.

John Hess, PhD                    Phone me 916 752 8420
Dept of Human Anatomy             FAX me 916 752 8520
University of Calif               Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu
Davis, CA                         or leave me alone, your choice.

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 18:21:08 PST
Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

the a-frame front bumper/winch kit for 1995 defender 90 extends only to the 
edges of the radiator plastic grille panel and has been available in the UK 
genuine part for some time now. It is the same setup as the UK defender 90SV 
model except that it has a Warn unit instead of the inferior superwinch. Yes, 
at long last, LRNA has listened and is shipping this unit with a roller 
fairlead! This unit will fit 1994 defender 90s. And most likely NADA defender 
110s.

I can also hope that LRNA will begin to ship 1995 defender 90s with the rear 
door latch with an outside key lock! The retro kit for 94 models means that 
you have to crawl into the back to lock/unlock the door!! Bollocks! So, 1994 
hardtop owners, just order the correct pieces from your local purveyor or wait 
until the 1995's arrive. I'll update the net with this info when I know as 
well.

regards

Jim

roverheadus betchurassus insatiatum

jpappa01@interserv.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 19:18:11 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: my first fix it

> Howdy all,
> I gather from comments made in the last couple of days, the list has
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> getting paint locally.
> John Hess, PhD                    Phone me 916 752 8420

 I hope you didn't get the idea that I don't like the fact that subjects
keep coming up. I was just noting the fact, don't mind at all. Here are 
two things that I put out on the alias the last time rear tire mounts came
up. Well worth what you paid for them.

Regards, Bill G.  ...spares at both ends

I assume you have a "Genuine Rover" rear tire carrier. It is designed to
fit between the sheet metal (steel) ribs in the door and there is only one
place that it fits... too low! It was made to use with the pintle hitch, but
the tire hits a ball hitch. You can move it up but it requires moving one
of the ribs. This is not difficult if you have some welding equipment and
can weld the thin gage stuff. Another reason to move it up is the fact that
the tire has been known to get pushed into the rear window when going down
a steep embankment.
  When I moved mine I also added some 1" X 1/2", .062" wall, square tubeing 
that puts the spare tire weight on the bottom hinge and the door latch guide.
I also added the third (middle) hinge. My 7.50X16 spare sticks up about 1.5"
above the bottom edge of the window, and clears the ball by about an inch.

> The third hinge sounds like a good idea all around, considering the
> extra support the tyre could use.
> brought up subjects that were covered in months past.  I for one, (newcomer

  I think the factory did this on later models. Just get another hinge like
the one on the bottom, make sure it's "in line" with the other two. I think
it important that the holes, where the bolts that go through the door frame
have steel tubes brazed in them. They prevent the bolts from crushing the 
frame when tightened. Look at the way the factory did it and copy. Drill
5/16 hole all the way through, then on the inside only, drill to just fit the
outside diameter of the tube that you're using. Cut the tube so that about
1/16" sticks out, braze only the inside joint so you're not close to the
aluminum (alumininum, if you insist) skin and your lovly paint job. put a bolt
and nut tight through the tube while brazing so the tube is tight against the
inside of the frame on the outside. Huh? You get it. Sheesh, that looks nice
and strong now.

  When drilling the holes to mount the middle hinge, remove the bolts from
the two original hinges and drop a 1/4" dia rod through all three (brass
balls included) to make sure they are in-line.

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From: rsrose@cco.caltech.edu (Randolph Rose)
Subject: Different pop rivit
Date: 22 Dec 1994 04:04:58 GMT

 Someone asked what or where to find a pop rivit that was sealed and wouldn't
let water through.  It's called a closed end pop rivit,  and is a bit more
trouble to find.  Aircraft suppliers or wholesale fastener outfits should
have them.  If not, I can forward some address in the Los Angeles area.

Randy
'57 107 station wagon

P.S.  I prefer to use closed ind pop rivits over regular ones, as the
sealed end looks better, the mandrel never falls out (leaving a hollow
rivit), and this type of rivit always seems to "pop" right-- the backside 
straight and even, not flopping over or crooked or squished to one side 
like standard pop rivits.

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:42:54 -0500
From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Footwell Installation Goes On

Many thanks to all who responded to my call for help in installing
replacement footwells, door posts, and mudshields on my IIA. I can now
report...safely...that the passenger side in 99 percent complete. Minor
riveting and welding will be done tomorrow as well as the dreaded driver's
side.

For all of you who want to do this, but haven't, here's a word of advice:
DON'T. That is DON'T attempt to do it without a master blacksmith/welder
type who has lots of expensive stuff and knows how to use it.  We spent
four hours just removing the doorpost and footwell. Then another three
hours fabricating, grinding, welding, etc. The good news is that while we
had the floors and firewall (bulkhead) torn apart, we were able to smooth
out and re-weld a lot of frame pieces.

If the cuts heal I'll fill everyone in on the conclusion of the
project...hopefully tomorrow. Photos have been taken of every step along
the way  in the hope that someone, someday,  may also be crazy enough to
try this.

Chris Stevens
Towson, Maryland
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
Chrisste@cerf.net

 R  1  3     2   H            "Land Rover's first, because
 +--|--|     |   |             Land Rovers last."
    2  4     4   L            '69 S.IIa 88"

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:34:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: LRO

Kelly has a, hmm, errr, mail problem....

> How are we supose to answer mail?  I guess I've been answering people
direct.
> Do I answer to lro@team.net ALWAYS?
> Kelly (little confused) Minnick

Well... If you want your reply to be read by everyone on the list, send it
to lro@team.net

I think the confusing part is that the listserver sends you the message as
if the person who wrote the message had sent it to you. (I may be wrong.. oh
well) Then, when you respond, your response is addressed to the author of
the message... *but* since you probably want to send your response out to
the whole list you then have to CC to lro@team.net

Still confused?? Yes! Good! You'll fit right in with the rest of us!

Cheers and Happy Christmas
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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