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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 00:02:33 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: Parts

I have one of these (left hand/aux filler hose protection / cosmetic
piece). You can either get a talented local sheet metal peron to fab one
for you, or get RN to make one (Randy can fabricate absolutely anything!)
In addition to the one in the rear bed, behind the seat, you also need a
simple one in the footwell...

jory

>the 12 gallon tank also under the driver seat.  Had to loose the tool box,
>but what the hey.  Double the range - and out here in the desert...  Anyhow
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>passes through the seat bulkhead/box.  Do they make such an animal for the
>left side?  If so, does anyone have a part #?

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Date: 20 Dec 94 04:31:34 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Gifs

Good thing I logged on from home at 19,200 on that one; from work at 2400,
would've been a *pain in the mailbox* ...
The second (shorter) gif (Xmas-Landy in snow) uudecoded ok, but the first
(long) one was some sort of non-standard coding, no way I could make any
use of it. Any suggestions?
BTW are any of the CompuServe users on the list interested in receiving
the Xmas-card-Landy.gif directly via CIS mail in self-unpacking binary (DOS)?
Weighs in at about 7 K.

Seasons Greetings,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
[CIS-users do it binary!]

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Date: 20 Dec 94 05:16:30 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: UK folks, please help!

This is a question directed specifically to the UK folks, all others
press DEL or risk your bandwidth being wasted...

When I was last on the Island I picked up a flyer of the IOR Bookshop
('International Off-Roader'), and now I wanted to order some manuals by
fax or telly-phone (bla-mail). Problem: The number given -> 0508 518123
*doesn't work*, it's just dead, day or night. Strangely enough, the number
518124 connected me to a charming english Lady who was very friendly but
otherwise unable to help me, as she had no idea who or what IOR was.
The IOR office is supposed to be located in Thwaite, Bungay, Suffolk.
Could be the number is a misprint, or maybe they have decided not to answer
the phone between now and New Year??
I would be enthralled if anyone happening to abode thereabouts could check
the proper number of IOR for me by means of phone book, Prestel, grumpy
operator, or otherwise.

TIA,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:13:00 MST
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Loads of Rovers in Montana

People,

This is what I know about loads of Rovers in Montana.
The guy, I think, in question is Creed Evans.  He lives
near Great Falls.  He is currently a member of LRONA.
Brad correct me if wrong.  About a year ago Vance was 
looking for an engine and ran across Creed.  I also
ran across his number at about the same time.  I called
him and got his answering machine several times.  When
I finally talked to him he seemed to be straight up.
I started getting a bit put off when I called once and
tried to get a small common part.  So common I have
forgotten what it was.  But Creed had no idea what I was 
talking about.  I started asking some other questions and
got the same kinda answers.

He claimed that all the vehicles he was getting from Canada
where in fair to good shape and that he had every rolling frame
sold he could get.  At 3,000 per.  Well being a nosy kinda
guy I started checking around.  I have worked as a paralegal
and investigator here in Montana.  So I started calling some
friends and found out that he is a PI in training.  His mentor,
as required by state law, is a man named Lance Trimmer.  He
is one of the gooffist PIs licensed by the state.  Several
other things Creed talked about turned out to be kinda in his
imagination.  He spun the tale of some kinda of import business
that is not registered with the state or anyplace else.

About six months before this I was doing some public affairs work for
the 5th Special Forces from Ft. Lewis.  I was doing my work from
my 58 Series I so attracted a special forces NCO and a special forces
Sgt. from Canada.  We talked Rovers so I ask him what was happening
with Rovers up north.  He told me what Dixon related.  They are
hashed, trashed and junked.  This also reminded me of a story from
29 Palms, I think about three years ago, where Canada brought down
some Rovers for an exercise and then auctioned them down at 29 Palms.
And Rovers freaks, you mean us, from all over flocked to scoop them
up.  They did and then found out that no state wanted to register
them.

Here in Montana the DMV is fairly laid back and lots of things are
possible.  But I do not believe that any of this stuff Creed has could
ever be registered legally, even in Montana.  So I guess to make a long
story short Creed has a bunch of stuff, it is military junk at best.
I have not been able to get up to see Creed but was invited to see
his stuff.  I personally don't think it will be worth the effort.
Vance had a deal with Creed and it did not go very easily.  But, Vance
correct this if I am wrong, it did get completed to his satisfaction.

I guess what Sandy said is ultimately the best advice - Buyer Beware.
If I get the time and can contact Creed I will go see him and will 
report back.  No promise when.  I am working midnights until the 1st
of the year, so it won't be soon.

Sorry for the length.  

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies -   

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 07:57:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: a new owner..at last!

With much thanks to Robert Davis I am now the proud owner of a fine '67 
RHD 88.  This wouldn't be much of a story if Robert and I lived in the 
same town or even the same state...no not that easy. Robert living in 
Norfolk Va. and myself in Pittsburgh made for an interesting weekend.  
Everything went off with out a hitch or glitch...and 60-65 on the flat 
interstate with no overdrive!!  woooo I even passed a few people!!The 
Right hand drive made for an interesting stop at the toll booths on the 
Pa turnpike....the poor woman just didn't know what to think of this 
little green beast with the steeringwheel on the right side. So far so 
good. I have to say a few things abut Robert for those who don't already 
know him.  If anyone else out there has dealt with Robert they will know 
what I'm 
talking about when I say that he is a person that I wouldn't hesitate to 
recommend to a friend who was looking for a part or advice (or a whole 
Rover)...a genuinely nice nice guy, with a Rovers on the brain...

Cheers
Russ  

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:11:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Parts

Ok..the rivets...if you mean the ones on the side panel that hold the 
upper capping on, they are availble from Rovers North....How ever they 
are not "pop" rivets, they are regular "pound 'em" types...You need a air 
driven peening tool...The local aircraft mechanic will have the tool and 
the correct dies...He/she may have the rivets too!
This is a good place for Bill Maloney to jump in and give us the name of 
an aircraft suppy house that can get the rivets at less than cost..

steve....

PS. I can't spell, am I am engineer?

"BAD SPELLERS OF THE WORLD!.......UNTIE!!!!!

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:19:10 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Discovery for sale.... :(

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Discovery for sale.... :(
Due to circumstances beyond my control, I need to sell my '94 Discovery.
It is TOTALLY LOADED, leather, dual A/C, dual sunroofs, rino bars, 4
hella lights, laser detector, radar detector, automatic, 12 disc CD
changer, tinted windows, black, pin stripes, (painted, not from bushes.
;) ) seats 7.... 9800 miles. Price a new one, tax, licence, etc. and
I'll save you thousands!

I am very saddened by this, but I WILL own another... just not right
now. BY FAR THE BEST 4X4 FOR THE MONEY AVAILABLE!!! I can't talk about
it right now, I'm too depressed, just e-mail me if you're interested, or
know of anyone interested.

Thanks,
    _______ I finally "fine tuned" my .sig and now.... :(
   /
  /

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |           thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:13:19 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Rivets

Steve Babbleth:

none
Ok..the rivets...if you mean the ones on the side panel that hold the 
upper capping on, they are availble from Rovers North....How ever they 
are not "pop" rivets, they are regular "pound 'em" types...You need a air 
driven peening tool...The local aircraft mechanic will have the tool and 
the correct dies...He/she may have the rivets too!
This is a good place for Bill Maloney to jump in and give us the name of 
an aircraft suppy house that can get the rivets at less than cost..
none

If/when I ever have to replace/regalvanize the rear trim, I would just go to a 
local airport for the supplies (they are also a good quick source for 
stainless saftey wire, that's where I obtained the wire for my first rebuild). 
You'll need a short stroke (careful, Steve) air hammer, the die for round head 
rivets, a bucking bar and the proper size rivets.  Fitting a pop rivet to the 
part in question will determine the size needed.  Stop by and tell them what 
you'd like to do (they'll probably be glad for the change of pace).  Buy a 
handful of rivets and ask them where they got the die for the impact hammer 
(probably Snap-On or MAC) and what the part number for it.  You're on your own 
for ordering it.  An inexpensive short stroke hammer is available from Harbor 
Freight tool (Call 800-555-1212 for the number) at about $15.  Once you have 
your hammer with die, rivets, and bucking bar (the flat end of a large ball 
peen hammer will suffice), insert your rivet, position the hammer/die against 
the head, push the bucking bar against the inside end of the rivet, and pull 
the trigger.  Watch as the shank begins to mushroom on the inner side.  When 
it has noticably shortened and expanded, stop (it won't take long).  Ideally 
you want it mushroomed with no cracks.  You probably won't get it right the 
first time, but it's easy to drill them out if you're unhappy with your work. 
Don't fret it too much as the quality of your work is not as critical as that 
of something that might fall out of the sky. 

Oh, and one more suggestion, put a little anti-sieze on the shank of the rivet 
before installing.  This will prevent differential corrosion in the future.

More than you ever wanted to know.

I wave at tsunamis

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:49:37 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Montana Rovers

..Did I say stomped on by tanks or fragged by sub-munitions?  I reviewed
the video of the Montana Rovers last evening, and it was just as depressing
as I remembered...fields of (s)crap.  Bombed and burnt Rovers...one looked
like a 105mm went clean through without detonating.  Others looked like the
powerplants had been removed with explosives (talk about using the "red
wrench")!  I tried to find one that *didn't* have bullet holes.  And
considering the junk that was foisted on Robert as "serviceable" units,
stay well clear of this charlatan.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 17:21:15 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Aluminum painting

Several people have asked questions about painting Birmabright as of late,
so I thought I'd pass along a few part numbers and whatnot.  Most all of
the part numbers are DuPont; any DuPont paint jobber should be able to mix
up Rover colors in single quart cans. (If anyone has any other #'s, pass
them along.)

        Bronze green    38500
        Mid grey        38501
        Sand            38502
        Marine blue     38503
        Pastel green    38504
        Limestone       38505
        Poppy red       38506
        Burnt grey      38508
        Davos white     38514
        Mexican brown   38519
        Cameron green   38520
        Almond yellow   38521

For "DuLux" alkyd enamle, append a "D" to the paint color number.  Add an
"L" of laquer, or "A" for Centari acrylic enamel.  Other part numbers:

        Dulux hardener                  77s
        Aluminum cleaner                225s
        Aluminum conversion coating     226s
        "Variprime" two-part primer     615s
        Engine enamel
         "Detroit Diesel Alpine Green"  #225 (made by Tempo)

Automotive paints are quite sensitive to temperatures: use the following
thinners/retarders.  If you must paint at higher temps, add an anti-wrinkle
agent:

        DuLux Thinner   Temp Range      Centari Thinner Temp Range
           #8508        below 65 F           #8034       below 70 F
           #3812        65-75 F              #8022       70-85 F
           #3864        70-80 F              #8093       above 85 F
           #8522        above 80 F

The DuLux cannot be clear-coated, though the Centari can be protected in
this fashion.  DuLux can be mixed for brush application (like for roofs)
rather than spray applicatio, though.  DuPont "Corlar" two-part epoxy is
another primer alternative.  As it is intended for aircraft, it is only
available in gallon cans, and in grey.  Better living through chemistry...

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 14:48:38 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: Aluminum painting

 A few more scraps of information, and it seems to coorrelate;

                        Dupont Centari       Ditzler       Glasurit
     
     Limestone             38505A             46251        
     Marine Blue           38503A             16514         ROV504
     Poppy Red             38506AH                          ROV303
     Light (Pastel) Green  38504A                           ROV605
     Sand                               ACF/004 or 26291
     Bronze Green          38500A             46451         LEY637
     Arctic White

  I don't know why my numbers have "A" suffix.

R, bg

PS; Ain't it odd, the way old discussions get going around, as new folks
come into the group. We did this paint thing last October, and the third
hinge thing was just revived again, the other day.

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:15:12 -0500
From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: LRO Subscription Info

Would someone kindly forward to me subscription information on Land Rover
Owner Magazine. Need address for subscritions and U.S. cost.

Thanks,

Chris

Chris Stevens
Towson, Maryland
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
Chrisste@cerf.net

 R  1  3     2   H            "Land Rover's first, because
 +--|--|     |   |             Land Rovers last."
    2  4     4   L            '69 S.IIa 88"

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 18:12:44 PST
From: sohearn@InterServ.Com (Stephen OHearn)
Subject: Military Jeeps / '95 Defender's

> Actually... you *could* buy the jeeps.. It's just that had been cut in half.
> If memory servs me correctly the Army had a jeep with independent rear
> suspension in the '50s... Good idea except too many idiots driving them and
> they were extremely prone to turning over.. So.. the DOD got rid of the
> jeeps but had to cut them in half first. 

Ah, yes, the M-151A1 and M-151A2, Truck, 1/4 ton. These have some kinship
with Land Rovers as I recall them being an aluminum body/frame tub with
everything else bolted on. They have 4-wheel independent suspension, a 2.?
ltr 4-cyl engine, 4-spd transmission, and single speed part-time transfer
case with a parking brake on the output shaft. The differentials are unusual
having two inputs. They leak like crazy and are noisey as hell. While those
purchased as salvage (the only way they are sold now, some are still in
service) are supposed to be cut across between the wheels it is not too
uncommon to find a very nice example which mysteriously avoided the torch.
They have been highly sought after in Japan by collectors (which is where my
M-151A2 went some years back). Everything about them screams out the thought
that they are designed, built, and even driven, as if the next mile is to
be their last (disassembly by land mine, no doubt). At their most expensive
these vehicles cost 1/4 the price of a Hummer.

> 1995 model year defender 90s will switch to a rail-mounting system for the 
> redesigned soft tops.

How does this work (I'm dense)?

Jim, thanks for the info on '95s. Round tail lamps! Ugh. How far does the new
A-frame (an inverted hoop?) brush guard extend towards the sides? The BFG
All-Terrain T/A's will quieten things up and make for a better all-purpose
tire.

Glad I bought a '94,

Stephen

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:30 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: chopping leest

My sister is (hopefully) heading over to Merry Ol' England in January for her 
last trimester of college (yes, this is the one what forgot to call home on 
her cross country trip.  We're going to get her an Internet account and hire 
someone to make sure she logs on at least once a week.) and I was thinking, 
maybe I should be making up a list of parts for her to shove into her 
suitcase.  (Don't worry about the 90wt -- it'll mix with the horse manure and 
I'll use it as an alternative fuel when she gets back.)

(I would break that up into two paragraphs, but it's technically only one 
sentence with a couple of asides.)

So, what I've got so far is:

90/110 spin on oil filter adapter (This will use US filters?)
Rear Doors for a 109"  
Weber 2-barrel Carburetor (with the Weber BBQ attachment) and manifold
Speedometers (Can't have too many)
Speedo cables (Ditto)
Overdrives, if cheap
Misc. knobs, handles, locks, switches, etc.
Gas Caps

So, anything else I should add to the list?

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:28 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: spin on adapters

Okay, where did you find a 90/110 spin-on adapter for 5 quid?  Couldn't be 
here in the states... would probably cost about $250...  And how much was the 
shipping?

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:36 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: The Zenith of Carbs?

So, like, are you guys saying there are smog places that actually *know* what 
was original equipment on Land Rovers???  Heck, there's places around here 
that don't even know what was standard on last year's hondas.

Can't you just take it in and say, "yeah, that's original -- it was a 
prototype that LR made that year." or something?

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:08 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: new member questions

>1) I have new floor pans waiting to be installed. The old ones were alreasy 
>out when I got it. How are they fixed in? weld or pop rivet? I think they
>are replacemnet steel....but if they are ally, I guess I won't be welding
> them!

I can speak from experience -- Nut & Bolts.  1/4" bolts, so the heads fit in 
a 7/16 spanner.  Use the nuts with the nylon ring to hold 'em on.  Use *new* 
ones.  This will make it much easier next time you have to take them off.

>4) I have  A LOT of brand new spares w/ it. Stuff I probably won't use.
>For example, door skins, light cages, rear frame cross member (the one
>on the car right now is fine, god knows why he bought it!!), just a whole
>bunch of stuff, are people on this list interested in trading parts?

Sure!

>5) There is a weber instead of the original carb/s. The original carb/s
> are/is
>in one of the parts boxes, but I haven't looked yet. What did the 1967 4
> cyl.
>come with? SUs? If so, I think I may swap back...I don't trust webers!

If it's the 2 barrel weber, I'd be interested in it if you switch back.  

Welcome aboard!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:18 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: fixing interior door handle, weatherstripping

[..misc description of door handle coming loose...]
>What is the best course of action?

Maybe just get another piece of aluminum to cover/strengthen it?  Or, pick up 
another door from someone?

>Anyone have experiences with non genuine weather stripping?  I see that
>atlantic british sells it.  My inclination is to tackle one door at a time
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>thinking more and more about sealing up the rover.  Droughts are ceratinly
>nicer, driving the tiger around topless!

J.C. Whitney sells some stuff which fits right in (glue it in, not rivet).  
It has worked okay so far for me.  (Though I've only gotten the passenger 
door done yet.)

>Also, I have tried to order the two volume workshop manuals from British
>pacific and rovers north.  Both are sold out;  I'd like the set and don't
>care really where I get them;  maybe I'll us the visa card and order from
>the UK.  Until then, anybody have the set in good used condition they would
>like to sell?

Surely you subscribe to British Car if you've got a Tiger, no?  In any case, 
they advertise various "Official Factory Workshop Manuals" for the II & IIA 
for $50 & $60 for parts 1 & 2.  I dunno how that compares, but they may have 
'em in stock.  Call (818) 710-1234 for more info.

They also have Road Tests, Factory Parts Catalogs, Owners' Handbooks, and 
Restoration books.  Let me know if you want more info.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:43 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: License plates

Howsabout HESSMBL?  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:26 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Which part is that?

Door "skins" - what are they?  The aluminum on the outside of the door?  I 
thought that was like built-in to the door.

And when people talk about door "frames", what does that mean?  Thanks in 
advance!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:47 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: New Member Introduction

To paraphrase John Hong...

Electric!  Electric!  Electric!  Electric!

<drool>  <slobber>  <drool>  <pant, pant>  <drool>

I want!  I want!

(Pardon me, while I go change my shorts...)

[snip...]
>One of the 1971's is electric; 
>As I believe Dixon Kenner may have already posted, there are photos
>of the electric LR in both the October/November 1994 issue of Home
>Power magazine, and the Winter 1994 (premiere) issue of Electric Car
none

I haven't been able to find Home Power, but I have Electric Car (is that you 
behind the wheel?).  

>I'm not sure if it would be appropriate for me to spend much time
>describing how and why we electrified a Land Rover, as it could be
>perceived as an advertisement, but if anyone is interested, send me
>mail directly.

I dunno about the others, but I am on the edge of my seat! Yes! Yes! Yes! 
(For that matter, have you considered an article for the Aluminum Workhorse?)

>---
>   Bob Rickard                                     brickard@olympus.net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are" -- Buckaroo Banzai

And a Buckaroo Banzai fan, too!  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:24 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rover

>'73 sIII 88" safari
>Hello fellow LR lovers.  I've been listening for quite some time, and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
>the rear on the backside of the top...  I hate cutting the aluminum, and
> don't
>know it the aluminum with withstand the trees hitting my antenna...

I've got one antenna mounted on a bracket attached to the right side hinge 
for the windscreen.  It was there when I got the beast, so I can't tell much 
more than that, but it works great.  

I've got a another one mounted on the inside left wing -- not very good due 
to the aluminum stress, but it looks cool.  (There's an eye bolt to keep it 
from waggling too much.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:34:01 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: That would be unfair competition...

Well, since this was turned down by Rec.Humour.Funny, I thought I'd pass it 
along...

President Bill Clinton recently fired the surgeon general because of her 
suggestion that masturbation be taught as an alternative to sex...

I guess Clinton feels that only the politicians should be jerking us off.

(I done thunk this one up meself!)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:33:41 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Zippo / GIF's / Christmas (what a combo!)

>Even better, would someone with a scanner be interested in receiving
>photos from everyone on the list showing themselves and/or their LR? Then
>these images could be put on a Web server or ftp site. I know this is
>asking a lot but it would be kind of cool. It's an idea anyway.

I am trying to find a provider so I can set up an anonymous FTP site which 
would, among other things, have any LR files/gifs/etc. anyone would care to 
provide.  Unfortunately, I can't really afford the $500+/mo charges I've been 
quoted so far.  But, I'm still looking!  

Anyway, Once I get it set up, there'll be plenty of space for storing stuff 
like that.  (with 1GB drives around $400, disk space is cheap!)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Subject: Re: The Zenith of Carbs? 
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:40:59 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199412210433.AA20943@crl5.crl.com>you wrote:
> So, like, are you guys saying there are smog places that actually *know* what
> was original equipment on Land Rovers???  Heck, there's places around here 
> that don't even know what was standard on last year's hondas.

	I was mildly surprized when the guy pulled out a book, said "1972?"
flipped to the page, read what was required for all cars for that year (as 
a minimum).  Then he opened the hood and looked for obvious things like
fuel cut off solinoids.

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Subject: Re: Rover 
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:58:34 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Kelly Minnick wrote:

>4.  Where is the best place to mount my CB antenna?  I was going to put it at
>the rear on the backside of the top...  I hate cutting the aluminum, and don't
>know it the aluminum with withstand the trees hitting my antenna...

	I mounted my 1/4 wave whip directly to my rear bumper thing.  For those
of you that haven't seen my Rover, I have no rear crossmember.  Instead, a 
Previous Owners, the one who rewelded/armored the frame, welded on a diamond
plate bumper thing. (Paste in one of Roger Sinasohn's nice ACSII images cut 
down to 88 size, add antenna and rear bumper thing...) 

        |
        |   (note the tennis balls on the antenna to protect the hardtop)
        |
        O  o-----------o-------------o------------o
        |  |___________|_____________|____________|    o
        |  |-----------|------------.|....._____  |    |
        |  |___________|_____________|__________`_|    |
        O  |  .--------------------.  |.----------,\   |
        |  |  |                    |  ||           \\  |
        |  |  |                    |  ||            \\ |
        |  |  |                    |  ||             \\|_
        |  |  `--------------------'  ||              \\/ .---------.
        |  |__________________________||_______________\\_(_________)_
        |  |                    .---. |                `%,------------~-.
        |  |                    |(O)| |  __             |               |
        | (|                    `---' | (- \            |               |)
        | (|                          |  ~~             |               |
        |  |                          |                 |               |
        ,--|       __,---,__          |                `%,  __,---,__   |_
        |__|______//       \\_________|_________________|__//       \\__|_]
                  |   .-.   |                              |   .-.   |
                  |   `-'   |                              |   `-'   |
                   \_     _/                                \_     _/ 
                     `---'                                    `---'   

Of course this setup, with the antenna so near the ground plane (the Rover),
the transmision in the forward direction is hindered).  The other attachment
that I've used to use a gutter mount center load antenna that I've attached
to either the roof rack or to the gutter on the hardtop--niether which
operation required drilling any holes.)  
	As for survivability, the 1/4 wave whip has never been lost.  The
center loads have sometimes broken at the plastic center load part.

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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