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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Beds in 90s
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 12:56:13 UNDEFINED

.I also am planning to build a bed in the D-90 for a trip to Utah
.in late Feb. (I still have not sold this to my wife yet). It looks
.pretty straight forward. I will keep you updated as the design gets
.a little farther along.

I have just spent 3 months living in my 90. I used a sunlounger (one of the 
ones that folds completely flat. It rested nicely with one of the supports on 
teh rear wheelbox, the middle resting on the load bulkhead, and the top 
resting on the steering wheel. Perfectly flat. Perfectly comfy.

Only gave it up cos I kept getting pestered by paranoid farmers convinced I 
was lurking to rustle their sheep!

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: DMV
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 8:07:19 PST

RE:  Emmisions

Yes, California is very picky when you go to do a smog.  They had a reference
book that had more information than my LR workshop manual.  I had to have
the actual LR PCV (no $5 aftermarket would do!), the canister, air cleaner
(no K&N filters here!), the spark retard switch (valve on manifold actuated
by cam on throttle shaft of original 36IVE), vacuum Retard for the distributor,
fuel shut-off solenoid, and deceleration dashpot.  Since I did not have the
original equipment (no matter that the webber might run better), I could not
pass go or receive my $200 (i.e. go directly to jail).  I was given the #'s
of 3 CA certified used parts houses.  If they could get the parts, I had to
buy them, otherwise I could get an exemption.  One of the three said he could
get me the stuff and it would cost me $800.  come to find out, it was just a
36IV - talk about a rip.  and yes, if Webber had a CARB # (calf. air research
board) I could use that carb.  I think enough people have to complain!  I
have to go in, get smogged & fail ($35), set up an apptmnt. with the referee,
go through this exemption thing...(whine whine).

Air bags article was in Machine Design a year or so ago.  I'll look, but...
unlike my LRO subscription, I toss most old magazines...
Kelly Minnick
Ridgecrest, CA  '73 88"

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Seasons Greetings
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:28:38 GMT

Merry Christmas,and a Happy New Everyone.Yours Truly is now
buggering orf until Jan 3rd.(Well,more like clattering orf
ectually,and in about another hour,but the thought's there:-)).
Cheers(hic) 
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:22:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: This & That

On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, maloney wrote:

> occasionally see two copies of the same article in the same issue - come to 

	This only happened once.  We were spotlighting one of our new
	writers.  Come to think of it, it was your article that caused
	the problem!  :-)  As per dates, blame Word Perfect.  It doesn't
	always change the date on the header... :-(

> think of it, that was a VERY well written and WONDERFUL article, so I guess 
> that isn't such a bad thing after all ;-) ).

	I think it was Mike Rooths article and not yours... :-)

	Re: LRW, The Toronto crowd is in there, and they are awaiting
	    a copy of the Gearbox.  It seems to be a bit thicker, the
	    price is up to 55 pounds, but that is for an 18 month 
	    subscription along with a copy of Porters DIY Restoration
	    Guide of the Land Rover (members of BSROA & OVLR get a 
	    discount (don't know about other clubs))

	Rgds,

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 11:33:25 -0500
From: Jimmy Patrick <jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Weber Carbs

What types of Weber carbs are common to fit on the 2.25 engine? And where
do you get info about these carbs? I have a Weber fitted on my new ('60)
Land-Rover, and I want to be able to identify which weber it is. How does
the choke operate on it?

Happy Holidays.

Jimmy

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 12:16:44 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Re:  Decarbonizing

Jon forwarded:

>Jon
>I own a 1967 ser 11a 109 NADA wagon whose engine pings like crazy. I use 
none
high >octane fuel and a lead additive with no results. What does 
decarbonization 
>mean and when do you know when to return to the origional position?
>benjamin g. newman

Ben, I'm not too clear about this either. Maybe retarding the ignition
timing slightly will result in burning some of the carbon off the valves
and piston crowns. 
I have talked with Bill Maloney about some sort of decarbonizing with
water. Sorta steam clean the inside of your engine so to speak. He
thought up a scheme to rig up a windshield washer pump and put the hose
down in the carburetor and while your going along at 45 or 50 hit the
switch and spray a little water in the carb. I don't know when would be
enough or too much. I guess just experiment. They use a method like this
on aircraft engines for the same purpose. May be we can get Bill in on
this conversation I'll cc him on this and  possibly he can shed some
light. 
What say you Bill?
>mean and when do you know when to return to the origional position?

Ben & Jon,

What they mean by decarbonizing is to remove the head and scrape/chip/brush 
all the carbon from the combustion chamber and the piston crowns.  Carbon 
build up can cause 2 problems:

1.
Carbon can build to a point where the exposed pieces can glow red hot.  This 
can cause the fuel-air mixture to ignite prematurely.  As the fuel air 
mixture starts to burn and the piston is still on it's way up, the plug 
fires, igniting/compressing the mixture even more.  The fuel burns in a 
"flame front" that is not unlike a shock wave or the ripples in a pond after 
tossing a stone into it.  Ideally, the flame front should be started at the 
plug when the piston is close to TDC (specifially, the recommended timing 
mark).  The flame front begins to burn (not explode) pushing the piston down 
as the pressure in the combustion chamber builds (the flame front travels at 
about 700+fps-just under mach 1).  When the mixture is ignited prematurely or 
there are multiple ignition sources, the remaining unburnt mixture can be 
compressed/heated beyond the maximum for normal combustion to the point where 
it detonates (explodes).  This is pinging/knocking/detonation.  At the 
minimum it will raise temperatures and reduce power.  At the maximum it can 
melt/hole pistons and fry valves.

2.
Carbon can build to a point where it reduces the usable volume in the 
combustion chamber, causing the compression ratio to rise.  This will 
increase the octane requirements of the engine.  Actually, a little carbon is 
a good thing, as it improves the seal of the piston to the cylinder and 
builds the compression ratio slightly.  I read a paper a few years ago 
regarding a study of break in factors which improve performance/economy.  The 
seating of piston rings was a factor, but the majority of the improvements of 
break in were due to carbon build up increasing the compression ratio and the 
seal formed by carbon build up at on the sides of the piston between the 
compression ring and the top of the piston.  They determined this by testing 
identical power plants under identical conditions.  They were run though a 
break in period and beyond.  One was stripped, and the carbon was removed 
from the inside of the combustion chamber.  Another was stripped and the 
carbon was removed from the side of the piston, but the carbon in the 
combustion chamber was left as is.  And so on.  The carbon in the chamber 
made the largest improvement, followed by the carbon seal, and lastly the 
rings seating in.

Whoa!  I think I've gotten away from your question.

You've got a 67 109 (2.6?) NADA that pings like crazy.

1.  Check valve clearances - ESPECIALLY EXHAUST - Keith Steele had the same 
symptoms on the way down to the Mid-Atlantic rally with his 2.25- one of his 
exhaust valves had negative clearance and had cooked itself.  Pull all your 
plugs and examine them first.  A burnt valve can be indicated by heavy black 
deposits on the plug.  If you've got an NADA 6, I don't envy you doing the 
exhaust valve adjustment.  I can't say I've done one myself, but with the 
valves in the block, it looks like a pain in the butt.  NADA 6s do have a 
reputation for burning exhaust valves if clearances are set too close.

2.  Check timing if you haven't already.  If it's too far advanced it will 
ping.  Retarding it will alleviate the problem at the cost of power (what 
power) and economy

3.  Check for vacuum leaks

4.  Is it running hot (does your temp gauge work)?  A thermostat could be a 
problem

5.  Check your fuel filter/fuel pump for proper fuel delivery

6.  Richen the mixture by lowering the jet or raising the needle (SU?)

7.  Re: Decarbonizing using water- temporarily disconnect the outlet tube 
from your windshield washer pump and tape it to the inlet of your carburetor 
(you may need to remove the filter ducting temporarily).  Take the vehicle 
out on the road and get it up to speed.  Activate the washer pump 
momentarily.  Listen to see how it sounds.  Do it again for a little longer 
and listen.  If it's not making unhappy noises continue longer and longer so 
you can do it continuously under power.  The only way this should be able to 
harm anything is if you give it enough volume to cause hydraulic lock.  At 
the output of most windshield washer motors, that shouldn't be an issue, but 
better to try it in stages.  What you are doing is steaming the carbon off 
the inside of the combustion chamber.  High performance piston engine 
aircraft use water injection for short term power increase (it cools the 
combustion process and allows higher combustion pressures).  A side benefit 
of this is that it steams out the carbon (if you've ever seen the inside of a 
head where the gasket blew allowing coolant into the combustion chamber of 
one of the cylinders, you'll understand how thoroughly steam can clean 
carbon).  

To be honest, I would suspect it has something to do with timing or burnt 
exhaust valves.  Once you have finished the adjustment, do a compression 
check. 

More than you ever wanted to know.

Good luck and have a very Merry Christmas!

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:46:06 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Weber Carbs

In message  <9412221633.aa21729@post.demon.co.uk> Jimmy Patrick writes:
> What types of Weber carbs are common to fit on the 2.25 engine? And where
> do you get info about these carbs? I have a Weber fitted on my new ('60)
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> CKS|Partners                                            0344-382114
> Advertising & Marketing Communications            fax   0344-303192

Changing the subject just a little...
I noticed your .sig is uk and assume you have a right hand drive car.  When I 
was putting my 2.5 L engine together, I (just for the fun of it) checked the fit
of a TR3 intake manifold.  The intake ports line up as do some of the mounting 
holes.  With a little bit of work one could put a pair of SUs on the Land Rover 
engine.  I didn't try it because the steering box was in the way.  But I suspect
you would have increased performance and increased petrol milage.  My TR3 was 
getting about 30 MPH with 2.2L (87mm pistons) engine.

If you want to go Weber, try a TWM intake manifold for the TR engine and a pair 
of 45DCOEs.  It should be an easy fit on a right hand drive car.

Can you imagine poping the bonnet at a Land Rover meet exposing a pair of DCOEs 
sitting above a 4 tube header?

Sorry for the noise but I couldn't help myself

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:46:34 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: side panels..

> On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Steven M Denis wrote:
> > I posted once before but I don't know if it made it...
> > Wanted! 109 2 door roof side panels......with or w/o windows(in North 
> > America please)
none

I had dirt poured down the oil filler cap of my 109 by someone who wanted the 
ones on my car very badly.  I would be happy to sell them to him fairly soon 
after hell freezes over.

If they are this hard to find, I guess I'll hang onto them when I do my top 
swap.  But I guess I'll have to hide them & lock them down

Sorry Steve

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: chris.youngson@deepcove.com
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:12:54 
Subject: LAND ROVER

Being new to this list I thought I would introduce myself. My name is Chris 
Youngson, I live in West Vancouver, British Columbia. I own a 1965 IIa, 
Three door 109. 73

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From: YVES1@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 20:22:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>Subject: Land Rover antennas
>Re: antennas
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Much better solution: glassmount antennas!  Larsen makes glassmount antennas
>for CB and Ham, and just about everybody makes a glassmount cellphone

Hi folks, I've been a radio ham since 1953 and have experimented with mobile
receiving and transmitting antennas at all frequencies on lots of
vehicles..... including a 1961 88" Safari SW, a 1969 88" wagon, and my current 
 2 door 109. This beastie  sports 6 different antennas, covering from 192 kHz
(long wave) on up to UHF.  (receiving and transmitting
antennas/aerials/whateveryouwannacallem! 

The glassmount antennas are VERY practical, no doubt about it. A tremendous
biz for the antenna mfrs, more and more are being sold...... BUT they are
extremely inefficient! The RF coupling through the windshield falls short of
the ideal 100% transfer (depending on materials and how mounted) and the
radiation patterns usually suffer drastically. In fact most of the RF
transmitted is absorbed by the vehicle body (the way most installers mount
them!) and the radiation angle is so skewed as to provide fractional
performance. 
Good marketing gimmick, but the performance sucks! Anyone who runs a
comparison with a coax switch, signal strength meter, etc. on a 1/4 wave or
5/8 wave properly mag or through-the-roof, vs. any glassmount, will see the
difference immediately. My feeling is even a suction cup rubber ducky loaded
whip on the roof will outperform a glassmount. At least the angle of radiation 
will be effectively low. 

Cell phones run from the milliwatt range to a couple or more watts and need
all the help they can get, especially when you run into hill shadowing and
fringe coverage. I suggest going with a through the roof 1/4 wave (nice and
compact, excellent omni pattern, only one small hole, minimal installation
cost/effort) or 5/8 wavelength if you want the added 3db gain.... for those of 
us with aluminium hardtops; a front fender mount also works VERY well  and the 
coaxial cable is easy to run from there; and if you switch to a soft top in
the summer, coaxial sleeve type gain antennas, side mounted with ball mounts,
work very well as there is very little topside metal to mess up the radiation
pattern. 

Larsen makes plenty of all these sorts of antennas, and so does Diamond;
plenty of stuff out there to choose from. 

Of course if you really want to have fun, a set of quad phased yagis mounted
through the roof (with a steering wheel for rotator control) will give you
plenty of "ooomph"  or stacked horizontally polarized "Big Wheels" cloverleaf
omnis will really get through the enemy jamming!!!   And remember:  don't
believe everything the salesman says; most of these blokes don't know too
terribly much about antenna theory - believe me! 

Yves Albert (Al {"Al"}) Feder
Yves1@Delphi.com
W1EOX  tcp/ip 44.88.4.14
1963 109 2 Door LR (ex Field Operations Vehicle,
Miskatonic University Department of Archaeology]
 

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 20:43:29 -0500
From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman C. Wing)
Subject: Tailgates

I am looking at an 88" for sale in my area. It has a hardtop with a
tailgate, as opposed to the station wagon rear door. I was wondering how
difficult it would be to install a regular door in place of the tailgate.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

                                                                Braman Wing

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 18:54:09 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: critical mass environmental ratings of cars and light trucks

>TODAY'S VEHICLES: CLEANEST AND DIRTIEST
>Critical Mass has published the first-ever
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 60 lines)]
>     C=GLOBAL WARMING
>     D=CFC
>     E=RECYCLING

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:02:05 PST
From: sohearn@InterServ.Com (Stephen OHearn)
Subject: D90 Spare on Bonnet

A quick one:

Does anyone know what would be involved in mounting a spare on the hood? I
imagine there is some support structure underneath and the mount itself. I
also assume these can be fitted to a U.S. spec Defender. Am I wrong? Is
there maybe insufficient space to clear the 3.9ltr's intake plenum???

Thanks,

Merry Christmas to everyone, their families, and their Land Rovers!

-Stephen

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| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
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From: Kelly Minnick <kminnick@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>
Subject: Fuel
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 23:00:40 -0800 (PST)

RE:SMOG
I don't know if anyone has noticed, but I seem to be stuck on this smog issue.
Maybe that's because it took lots of $ and lots of time for me to get my
beast on the road.  In fact, before I took mine in, it had a EGR valve on
it.  Has anyone seen that on a '73 US version?  Well, didn't want them to
force me to get the rusted thing working!  Wasn't in their smog books, so
out it came!

To help get a vehicle past emmisions, here are some important tricks:
1.  New plugs=clean burning
2.  Slightly retarded ignition.  Runs like you know what, but runs clean.
3.  Oil change.  Dirty oil holds unburnt gas byproducts that affect tail
pipe emmisions.
4.  This one you may not want to do, but works great.  Run you tank down to
almost empty.  Put in about 2 gallons of unlead with gasahol (gas w/alcohol).
One of my friends then adds methenol or alcohol used in dirt track cars.
This burns so clean that you can't hardly measure anything.  In fact, they
go around and make sure you aren't doing something wierd.  I had a friend
who told me the tester shut off the machine and re-booted it to make sure
things were ok...  The draw-back is quite clear if you've ever thrown some
of these rubber parts into alcohol - they swell unless they are of the
buna-N type rubber.  Alcohol also cleans out the fuel system.  On older
Rovers, this can cause all that junk in the tank to break loose and plug
your fuel pump.  Alcohol is also caustic to aluminum (pistons...).  I
take a 2 1/2 gallon tank with me with good premium to add when the test
is over.  It's your call. P.S. - all my Rovers were towed home and had
been sitting for 3-13 years!  I had to drop each of their tanks and soak
with the dip-type carb cleaner to get the crud out.  Before this, I had
to change the fuel filter every 5 miles on one trip. Amazing how the sloshing
of 4wheeling can loosen all that junk.  My Bronco/Land cruiser buddies
thought it was great to get all those pictures of me working on my Rover
the whole trip!

Also, might know of some sides for a 109.  Will check and get back at ya!
(sorry this is so long, but I must be lonely)

Boat shops for closed-end rivets is a good idea.  How many boat shops have
you passed when cruisin through the desert?  Even though I work at
"China Lake" and the Navy is out here... the lake is a dry one (except
during floods!) and the Navy doesn't have a single boat (except for
missile targets).  Later.
Kelly Minnick
Ridgecrest, CA  '73 88" SW

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 23:32:40 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: GPS popularity?

A couple of people have mentioned GPS's...  Do a lot of people have them?  

I've been lusting after them for several years (comes from working with 
someone as obsessed with sailing and his boat as I am about Rovers whose wife 
works at West Marine), but don't expect to be able to afford one any time 
soon.  

How useful *are* they here in the states?

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 23:32:57 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Rover Babe Update

So far, the high bid is $20 on the 5/92 issues of Playboy with Miss Rover in 
it.  Unfortunately, I (or my !^$@%#@#$!% software) managed to delete at 
*least* one message with a bid in it.  So, if you *didn't* get a response 
from me about your bid, please re-send it.  And remember, the net profits are 
going to LROA, so bid high and bid often!

In other news, Scotty has informed me that there is at least one other 
pictorial in Playboy featuring a Land Rover.  This one had a 
clothing-challenged young lady on the bonnet or in front of a Rover.  Most 
likely from the mid to late 80's.  If anyone knows what issue this is, or 
spots it, please let me know.  

And, a bit of a disclaimer...  Please don't take offense at my sometimes not 
exactly politically correct terminology and such.  Honestly, I treat women 
exactly the same as I treat anyone else (and expect them to respond the 
same), and in reality, don't care what sex, race, color, or what-have-you 
anyone may be.  I am often spouting off about how this media allows us to 
truly (for the first time in history) ignore any socially-instilled 
predjudices we might have.  You may be male, female, heterosexual, 
homosexual, black, white, asian, or even a 12-foot venusian dragon, and it 
really doesn't matter.  What matters is what you say and do.  

Which is the reason for this addendum -- I don't want my terminology 
(specifically Rover *Babe* and such) taken the wrong way.  It's a joke, 
poking fun at Playboy and that sort of magazine.  If anyone has been 
offended, please accept my apologies.  (Sorry to babble so much.)

(P.S. When growing up, I made sure my sisters could take out basically any 
guy their own size, because I didn't want to live/play with a bunch of 
wusses.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 08:57:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Rover Babe Update

[snip-snip]
> predjudices we might have.  You may be male, female, heterosexual, 
> homosexual, black, white, asian, or even a 12-foot venusian dragon, and it 
[chop]

<shiver>"12-foot venusian dragon" - doesn't that sent a shiver of 
excitement up your spine? Does it make the testostorone stir in your 
glands (Maloney! - quiet! Thyroids!)

Did playboy (un)cover a 12-foot venusian dragon?

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Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
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