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Subject: Over hauling: fuel pumps, Over Drives
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 05:27:54 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

------- Forwarded Message
Date: 13 Dec 94 22:03:10 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <941214030309_75473.3572_FHQ145-1@CompuServe.COM>

I followed your instructions and added the commands to the modem string and lo
and behold IT WORKED, is this the start of something big  Hang on whilst I
retrieve my machine from the duckpond in which I threw it last night in disgust 

  A couple of comments from todays list ( yesterdays for you !!) 
 Fuel pumps,  buy an overhaul kit, the bits in the pump part are the same as the
ones with the glass bowl.

 Over drive overhaul, I have done several, it is uneconomical to attempt to
replace the gears, the prices in the UK for these parts is more than the  cost
of a complete new one, if the problem is backlash and noise this can be reduced
by fitting new bearings, do not order the bearings from LR, this will cost you
an arm and two legs, go to an industrial bearing supplier and obtain a copy of a
bearing catalogue from a company called INA BEARINGS,  measure the sizes of the
bearings you take from the overdrive, NB the bearings are all METRIC sizes, all
the needle roller bearings and wear rings can be selected from this catologue,
the two ball bearings can also be obtained from an industrial bearing
manufacturer, the bearings will have a number on the inner race, something in
the series 6200 or 6300, these numbers will be recognised by a brg dealer.
Better still have you a friend who works for an engineering company who has an
account at one of these places, then you may get some trade discount. If you
have problems in obtaining a catologue give me a call before the 22 nd Dec and I
will bring one back from the UK after Christmas. When I priced the bearings from
LR Parts last year the price was in excess of $150 and I have a UK trade
account. Also buy the oil seals from the same source, quote outside dia, inside
dia and width. (metric!! )

RGDS Bill
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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:54:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: new member note

How *do* these things happen...

> Subject: new owner of old truck
> I would like to be added to the Land Rover Owner's group.  I purchased a
> 1973
> Series III 88 last night.  It didn't look any better this morning, but I'm
none

Chances are, five or ten years down the road it *still* won't look any
better... damm ugly, these Land Rovers... *but* if you still have it, you'll
never get rid of it.. You may even have a few more..

> medium.  My name is Erik van Dyck, I live in the Atlanta, Georgia area.
>  Merry Christmas

Well Erik.. Merry Christmas to y'all too and best of luck with the Rover!

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Various

Sandy comments on assorted topics...

> Jory writes about windscreen glass and fuel pumps.  Just about any glass
---snip---
> This is about the only Rover job best accomplished in the sun rather than
I guess that means I would have to send my windscreen to *you* as we hardly
ever see the sun... Even if we did, the temperature probably has to be
somewhere above absolute zero, eh?  :)

> Jason LaBranch writes about fuel substitutes.  In a pinch, a lot of stuff
> miles away.  I've heard of diesels running on banana oil and there is a
> movement afoot in the UK to produce "bio-diesel" from rapeseed oil (used
> in margarine).  Bon appetit.
There is some "alternate fuels" group here in the States that is running
tests on all types of fuel. They have some traveling road show going around
the country... (Heard this all on Public Radio a while back.) There *is*
some bio-diesel interest here too.. one guy is using used cooking grease
from fast-food restaurants (McD's, etc).. I guess he strains out the chunks
and mixes whats left with diesel fuel.. He says it runs good... wonder how
it smells??

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: More on Mixing Fuels

I just posted a reply and this pops up from Jason!!

> After asking the question on mixing fuels I remembered a meeting
> with an unusual man.
none
---snip--- 
> We talked to the guy a bit and he took us out to see his new Ford
> Taurus which he had modified to run on vegitable oil.  The modifications
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> McDonalds and they give him their old french fries oil.  He filters
> out the chunks of french fries and drives off.

Well.. there you go.. Probably not the same guy... the guy I heard on the
radio was mixing the fry oil with diesel.. but the same sort of idea...

Small world!
Cheers
Mike

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fern is dead...

So, should I do the right thing and put a bullet through the block??

Tuesday morning... weather reports predicted below zero (F) overnight so I
plugged in Fern's block heater Monday night. No problem starting it up.. pump
the gas a few times and it fires right up, just like it always does. Let it
warm up a few minutes and off to work..
 
I have a nice *large* hill to go over every day... So this morning, as usual
I was coming down the hill in third, letting the engine do the braking when
all of a sudden, there this crack-crunch-bang and the engine almost stalls!
Throw in the clutch and I can't get the tranny out of gear. Dam! The
transmission is locked up. Ok.. transfer box in neutral.. sloowwlly let out
the clutch.. and I was rewarded with this crunchy-grindy sound from what
used to be the transmission.

I was *not* amused...

So.. I walked the rest of the way to work.. only a couple of miles.. just
about froze my butt off (which I would have done in the Rover anyway). Got a
friend to tow Fern home after work...

Well friends, this is the situation. Fern is a prime example of a well-worn
(worn-out?) Land Rover. Origionally purchased in Maine, it was used as a plow
truck. It went from Maine to Massachusettes to New York, losing it's front
bumper and gaining a Kenig winch at some point. The person I bought it from
used it to hunt with. He did the fern camo paint job but sorely neglected
the mechanicals. When I purchased it in 1988 there was no plow, no brakes, a
broken winch, worn out hub seals, worn out swivel balls, half the lights
didn't work, the frame was *bad*, it would only run on full choke and the
engine sounded like the rods would come out through the bottom of the oil
pan at any moment. I fell in love with it, paid way too much and drove it
home. 

Six years later and the frame is worse - to the point that any sane person
would refuse to get near it (explains why I still drive it). The engine
still sounds as bad. The transmission, which never stayed in reverse (too
many years plowing snow) no longer stays in second, either. I traded the
Koenig to Steve Denis - who fixed it and proved it is probably *the* winch
to have if you need to do some serious winching - and replaced it with an
8000 lb Ramsey. I figured that I would keep Fern limping along this winter
so I wouldn't have to worry about the deep January and February snows and
work towards rebuilding something else for next year.

So... I have a '71 IIa with a good frame but that truck needs extensive
work. I have a second '71 IIa which is currently torn down to the frame,
engine and running gear. The engine is supposedly good and is going into the
'65 IIa station wagon. The '65 also needs a complete brake overhaul as well
as some frame work. At this point I could put a IIa transmission in Fern
-or- get the '65 running. Either choice means long hours laying in the snow
under the truck. I'm leaning toward doing the '65, since I'm going to do it
anyway and just giving Fern a decent burial.

Decisions, decisions...  Anyone need some (well) used SerIII bits??

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: "Mr T.stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Zebra rover
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:36:34 +0000 (GMT)

Marcus
	Congratulations on your purchase. It was the striped Daktari
Land Rover that started my interest in them when I was knee high to a
7.50x16.
1) If by 'floorpan' you mean the two flat bits between the seat box and
the front bulkhead, then these should be thick aluminium and are fixed
in with a combination of metal spring-clips and large screws, and
ordinary nuts & bolts.
2) I think you can still get repair sections for the door frames; I got
some a couple of years ago from K-Motors in Preston, so I assume that
they are fairly easy to come by in the UK at least. All you do is drill
out the rivets holding the skin onto the frame, ease back the crimped
flange round the edge, remove the skin, and then chop out the rusty bits
and weld in the new ones. Re-assembly is the reversal of this procedure
(famous last words!)
3) I never bothered with Weber carbs; I heard they rob the top end power
to achieve their economy. I never had any trouble from the Zenith on my
old SIII.
4) The overdrive is easy to fit as long as you have all the bits. The
hardest part is drilling the hole for the gearlever in the right
position.
5) I did paint my first LWB with zebra stripes; I left it like this for
a couple of months before I painted it green again. I just used Dulux
gloss which seemed to work OK.

Cheers!
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(0475) 530581  Fax:(0475) 530601

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:09:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Loads of 2.25 diesel stuff!!

Ummm I forgot to tell you that to move the pump when running requires 
*FORCE*....the injector lines are very stiff and you can't be loosening 
them up while it's running w/o getting an eye full of diesel...
sounds like cam timing ...It may be nessary to change the 
cam....Godawfull job *that* is!

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:45:18 -0600
From: Marcus Tooze <tooze@vinny.cecer.army.mil>
Subject: thanks

Hey all,

Thanks for all the useful info...

BTW I will be in the UK from the 29th Jan to 11th Dec. Anybody got
some good meets to visit, or maybe a good used parts yard etc etc I should
take a trip too....

Marcus

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:57:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sump plug stuck

Two ways to attack this one...
1. The nice way....change the sump...if you hurry,you might find one of 
the eleventy-million used sumps scattered about and install it and its 
good plug on your engine....(when you go to take the old sump of either 
drill a hole to drain the oil out or be *very* carefull when you lower 
the thing down..Safety Tip...don't wear you sunday best...)

2. The "I'm evil and always get my way and no <explitive> Land Rover is 
going to stop *ME* by God!" technique.....If you take a sharp chisel and 
use this to cut a notch in one of the (former) flats of the plug and then 
using the side of the notch ,"chisel" the plug around...sort of a hammer 
it 'round deal...point a: It will end up looking like beavers have been 
knawing on it..point b: if you slip with the chisel...see oil draining 
method above.....(splash!)

have FUN! 

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:04:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Engine Conversion: adapter & tech info

Robert, check under the hood (bonnet) of a <shudder) late model 
JEEP....the 2.5 engine in there is a fuel injected versioin of the old 
postal jeep/Mercruiser 120....it just might be the manifols/engine you 
want like 124hp and unleaded fuel.....cool......just don't tell anybody 
it came from a Jeep...and wear gloves when working on it so you don't 
break out in a rash!

steve......

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:12:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: This 'N GATT

Oh yeah bill has the oil pan thing down...he *is* an oily charcter...but 
he remined me that the plug may be brass...if so...smack in on the head 
as if driving it into the sump them try the mole wrench....and if that 
fails. use a hacksaw to cut off the head and the threaded part will turn 
out...if you try to grind a brass plug,you will just load up the grinding 
wheel...

steve....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:22:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mixing Fuels

On my way home one day, I happened to run a wee bit short of petrol in 
the 109......problem...(I ain't *pushin'* no bloody stationwagon anywhere 
except off a cliff..) <ponder...ponder>   Ah *HA*!!!! a quick rush to the 
rear,grab the two five gallon cans (that had been the catalist for the 
trip) and glug ten gallons of K-1 kerosene into the tank.."Rurrrrr 
Rurrrr. ZOOM!" ...on the first steep hill it pinged a bit..so dash under 
the bonnet,turn the vernier adjustment on the distributor all the way in 
and *presto* a Kero powered landrover.....It then took a shot of gasoline 
in the morning to get it to start, but it ran very well on the low grade 
sruff....but it cost more so I stopped afer that 10 gallons......./

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:27:22 -0600
From: Marcus Tooze <tooze@vinny.cecer.army.mil>
Subject: Re: thanks

> > BTW I will be in the UK from the 29th Jan to 11th Dec. Anybody got
> > some good meets to visit, or maybe a good used parts yard etc etc I should
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> nearest club to you. If you tell me where you'll be, I'll send you a few 
> contacts from the clubs list (also available via WWW :)

DUH! I meant 28 Dec to 11 Jan (it was 7am here when i wrote that).
I wil be in both Worcester and London.... 

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:30:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Footwell/Mudshield Replacement

DO NOT cut everything out at once...if you do the dementions are lost for 
the dooropening and *nothing* ever seems to fit correctly again.....
Please....don't ask.....really....wana buy a *worthless* cowl...cheap???

steve......

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:57:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: More on Mixing Fuels

The fella you are looking for is one Louis Wyshorsky (sp) who is 
converting all manner of diesels to veggie power...he lives in Liberty 
NY...youu might try to contact him by calling the Miss Montocello Diner 
in liberty..ask for Nate(owner)..this is where he gets old fry oil....

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:08:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: You Mail

On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Bob Rickard wrote:

> HELP
none
  Ummmmmmm Bob? could you be a little more specific????????

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:20:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: U-Joints

 The drive shaft U-joints are standard spicer ....any driveshaft 
place/good parts house can match them up...BTW..there are 2 different 
sizes on the series rovers...*AND* I've seen both sizes on one 
vehicle..so check all of them......

steve......

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, ROY CALDWELL wrote:

> Anybody out there come up with a non-Rover
> replacement for the u-joints?  Need some
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> could be had kinda local.
> Roy - Rovers in the Rockies

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:23:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: U-Joints

On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, ROY CALDWELL wrote:

> Anybody out there come up with a non-Rover
> replacement for the u-joints?  Need some
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> could be had kinda local.
> Roy - Rovers in the Rockies

the way i remember it is that the larger one's are the
same as a chevy truck.  here is something to check out.
take one out and compare 'em at the counter with calipers
before taking it home...

*source is steve johnson's list
15/16 length over bearing caps ... TRW 20023 (with grease fitting)
15/16 length over bearing caps ... NAPA 5-4X (no grease fitting)
7/32  length over bearing caps ... NAPA 5-153X
7/32  length over bearing caps ... PRECISION 369

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:13:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Rover

Transfer box conversion through Ian Ashcroft....

Windows....scribe around the glass and add a bit for the gasket (1/2 inch?)

The roof vents can be installed in the regular hard top....but I'll bet 
that they will leak like a screen door w/o the protection of the tropical 
panel.....

steve..... 

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:02:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: This 'N GATT

On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Steven M Denis wrote:

> Oh yeah bill has the oil pan thing down...he *is* an oily charcter...but

	Bill doesn't change the oil anyway.  Runs so fast out the back
	of the crank, past the doomed rings etc. there is never a need
	to pull the plug to recycle.  He's adding a litre a day...

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:05:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: You Mail

On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Steven M Denis wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Bob Rickard wrote:
> > HELP
>   Ummmmmmm Bob? could you be a little more specific????????
none

	Bob thought lro@team.net was the address for an automated mailing
	list server.  Sent him off to lro-request@stratus.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:25:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sump plug stuck

One other thought might be to cut off the head that is rounded off, or
leave it there, and if it is brass you could easily drill the correct
size tap hole size and put in a 1/4, or 3/8 pipe thread plug. Just tap a
new hole in the existing plug.
Probably $4.00 for the bit and $10.00 for the tap. 
It might take an hour to drain the oil though.
Might get your drill messy but what the heck.
Creative maintenance
Jon

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:39:39 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Waving, revisited

On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Roger Sinasohn wrote:

> Been thinking about this a bit...  There's been a fair bit of discussion 
> about waving to Range Rovers and Disco's, Disco's waving to RR's, RR's waving 
> to LR's, etc.  Then someone said "I wave to everyone".  
none
[snip]
During the summer i wave to LR's. But during the winter "I wave to everyone". 
There is of course an explanation to this. Lawrence is a continental car 
with left hand steering. Despite the fact that it was built during the 
Leyland era, the pedals are located to the left as well. The defroster on
a series landy is most efficient to the right, so i have to wipe the left
windshield with my hand for the first 10 min. And sometimes people waves
"back". I bet they think i'm a nice guy...  

...well, most of the time i am...at least sometimes...

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:08:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fern is dead...

Mike, my deepest sympathies go out to Fern, and to you, oh greiving master.
It is so sad to hear of the passing of a brave and noble beast of burden. 
Those sexy photographs of her/him posing in the woods, barely
detectible, just didn't reflect the pain and misery that must have been
underlying that gay, devil may care, exterior.
Alas Alas, Farewell sweet Prince/Princess. Most Humble Servant Rest In Peace.
Regards
Jon
          

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:28:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Fern is dead...

On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Jon Humphrey wrote:

> Mike, my deepest sympathies go out to Fern, and to you, oh greiving master.
> It is so sad to hear of the passing of a brave and noble beast of burden. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> underlying that gay, devil may care, exterior.
> Alas Alas, Farewell sweet Prince/Princess. Most Humble Servant Rest In Peace.

	All is not lost.  Quick, someone send the theme music to "the Six 
	Million Dollar Man" to Mike.  He can rebuild him!  If Mike lets
	Fern rust in peace, Fern's soul would be in great danger of being
	swept up in the birth of a Suzuki, or something equally horrible.
	He must *save* Fern (or tow him up to my place... <grin>)

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Subject: New Subscriber
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 11:00:25 PST
From: Roger Peng <rpeng@cad783.sc.intel.com>

Introduction:

     I've been an 4 X 4 enthusiast for a long time. I don't currently
own a Landrover, in fact I drive a Toyota Landcruiser, but I really
like the Defender 90, and hope to own one someday. I'm especially
interested in what owners have to say about it.

     The defender 90 is a relatively new entry into the US market.
I rarely see one on the road, perhaps because the price is high.
If anyone on the list owns a late model Defender 90, I'm interested
in knowing how you like it. Can this vehicle be used everyday? I've
heard some reports saying that this vehicle is too uncomfortable to
be used for long trips. How is the reliability? By that I mean can
I treat it like a Japanese car and not have to worry about it too
much? Or is it more like an up-market British car that requires
a lot of expensive maintenance?

     I live in California, and currently own the three vehicles:

          1988 Honda Accord (114,000 miles, never missed a beat)
          1980 Toyota Landcruiser FJ40 (Looks like a Jeep, lots
                                        of fun)
          1977 Jaguar XJ12L (Smooth machine, V12 motor, but needs
                             to be nursed along)

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 11:16:09 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: U-Joints

In message <9412140647.AA21525@mtnoca.helena_noc>  ROY CALDWELL  writes:
> Anybody out there come up with a non-Rover
> replacement for the u-joints?  Need some
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> could be had kinda local.
> Roy - Rovers in the Rockies

Roy, there are two sizes that I'm aware of.  I just took one of mine to the 
local auto parts store & they matched it up for me.  They take a standard size.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:44:47 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Land-Rover conversions

Kelly, you said:

>Not sure exactly what an Ibex is.  Maybe I'm missing something.  I thought that
>it was this new planned 'uni-bodied' frame vehicle that LR is developing.
>The approach and departure angles sound great.

The Ibex was a kit vehicle made by Foers Engineering in Yorkshire.  (I say 
was because it has stopped production to make way for a new but similar 
model from Foers.  It has a spaceframe which is made up of rectangular 
tubing, including a rollcage structure.  Then all tubes are drilled to allow 
the galvanizing to get everywhere, then the whole monolithic structure is 
hot-dip galvanized.  Then bodywork is all riveted or bolted in place, with 
inner panels of zinc-coated or galvanized steel, outer ones of aluminum 
alloy.  The panels have no curves, all angles, so you can get replacement 
panels made at a sheet-metal shop, at least in theory.  Despite the 
simplicity, this is a very hansome (and mean-looking) vehicle.  The kit 
comes with the body structure complete, including door and window seals, 
with the doors hung and the windows installed, etc., ready to paint.  The 
"90" (which Foers calls "240" which is the metric equivalent of 90) has, of 
course, the same 92.9" wheelbase as the Defender 90, and sells for about 
$5,500 complete with full-length hardtop, plus shipping and duty from 
England.  We could save on the shipping costs if several of us were going to 
get them shipped at the same time and went together on a container.  There 
are now three or four in California and one in Washington interested...  A 
topless or pick-up topped version is even less money.

I figured that I would have to spend somewhere around $5,000-7,000 for a 
suitable wrecked Range Rover (as donor vehicle to complete the Ibex kit) and 
the one you found makes it sound like I had it figured about right.  Then, 
add the Defender parts you have to have (rear driveshaft, dash panel--fascia 
to the British, pedal box assembly, and heater), I figure a complete vehicle 
would run me somewhere around $15,000 (unassembled). Still quite a lot (and 
not possible for me at this time) but half the cost of a new Defender 90 for 
a much better (and *certainly* more distinctive) off-road vehicle.  Another 
feature of the Ibex is huge fender wells and openings to allow any size 
tires you might want, such as big flotation jobbies for your desert terrain. 
 It also has a down-sloping bonnet and wings for better off-road visibility.

>I have stumbled across a '92
>RR that was hit on the front left, but no frame damage.  The guy wanted $6500.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>have to look like a D90 for the V-8, but that's ok...
>KTM
Actually, it is not really necessary to change to the 90-style front end.  
The V-8 is definitely a tight fit in the 88's engine compartment but can 
work.  The engine-driven fan has to be elimintated and the shaft from the 
water pump cut off.  The fan is replaced by an electric one, in front of the 
radiator.  If I do a coiler/V-8 conversion, I will certainly do it this way, 
as I want that recessed area for my winch mounting.  There actually owners 
who have put the V-8 in Series Is without (outward) bodywork modifications 
and they have a tighter engine compartment than the Series IIs and IIIs.

TTYL.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:36:23 MST
Subject: Landroveritis

This is my introduction to the LRO net.  (Thanks, Mike.)  I'm a novice
on the Internet, but an old Land Rover owner.  Bought my first LR in 1974 after
a Spring Break in Mexico with a friend and his then new Land Crusier.  Traded
my car for a 1967 SIIA 88" in very great condition.  That's when I contracted
Landroveritis.  It's nice to know there are others out there with the same
affliction.  As the family grew so did the length of the LR and in 1979 I
traded the 88" for a 1960 SII 109".  Then along came a great 1951 SI 80", and
finally a 1994 Discovery 5-speed. There is also this nice 88" down the road,
but my wife would probably shoot me.  Anyhow that's part of who I am.  The
other part is a Humanities instructor named Rob Modica at Pima Community
College in Tucson,Arizona (read a ZERO rust environment).

Armrests?  If you've got both hands on the wheel what use is an
armrest?

Third hinge: I've had a second,standard LR bottom hinge on the reardoor of my
109" for 12 years.  It stabilizes the door and really supports a rear tire. 
Sandy's idea of alignment is elegant. I just used a 4 foot carpenter's
level lined up on the originals and bolted it to the galvanized plate at the top
of the body panel.

Sandy:  How does one submit a sealed bid on e-mail?  Send it in code?

I look forward to the Digest everyday.  Would be especially interested in SI
restoration ideas--parts, techniques, sources, etc.  Also anyone in Arizona
interested in getting together e-mail me at rmodica@east.pima.edu and we"ll try
to meet.

"Nice truck, mister."  "It's not a truck, it's a LAND ROVER." "Who makes it?" 
"Land Rover."  "Yeah, but who builds it?"  "Land Rover."  "Where is it made?" 
"Great Britain."  "Who makes it?"  "LAND ROVER!!!!"  "Yeah, nice truck."  "IT'S
NOT A TRUCK, IT'S A LAND ..."

Rather long for an intro.  Rob.
   

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Subject: Re: roverhead rantings 
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:30:34 -0800
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Folks comment,

	> Defender future? Nothing certain, but look for possible additional variations 
> of 90 before DOT forces it to go away. One things for sure 
 
>	Bet you they are gone for one reason.  The 300 TDi will be the 
>	only engine offered by LR.  If its approved, then it will be here,
>	if not...  DOT isn't going to blow away the Defender in the USA, 
>	EPA will & only because LR isn't going to have the V8 about 
>	(unless by special order, but try and get one over in the USA)

	As I understand it, the upcoming end to the D90 is a due to a combination
of factors. The 300Tdi engine question as stated by Dixon is one, but I
really think they could work that one through emmisions or use the BMW
diesel which has already passed that hurdle. I've been told by some LR
reps visiting here not long ago, that the main reason is due to the upcoming
1996 US regulations that force ALL non-commercial autos, trucks, vans, suvs
etc., to be equipped with an airbag. They said the expense in retrofitting 
this technology to the Defender 90 is not justifiable given the sales volume
of only a few thousand per year sold in the US. Don't know what the regs in
Canada are about future airbag requirements, but here in the US, it's do or
die by 96. So, 95 and a few left over into 96, but then thats it for the D90.
Now to replace it, they have the four door , short wheel base project under
developement. It is supposed to use many of the Defender parts such as axles
and other running gear, I'm sure somebody in LRO will get the word out on the
streets soon, it will surely have some stupid codename inside the halls of LR
but that's hardly new for the auto industry.
							Rgds
							Mike Fredette
							Portland, Oregon
							D90

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Date: 14 Dec 94 16:48:56 -0600
From: "Hui Ben " <Hui_Ben%il02m@email.mot.com>
Subject: spin on adapters

i need to know if there is a aftermarket spin on adapter to replace the canister 
oil filter units. my series 2a is leaking oil big time and its not the oring. i 
think the canister holder is bent 

any help is appreciated

ben hui, vancouver b.c. canada

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: The Zenith of Carbs?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:40:00 PST

Kelly Minnick said  >> NEVER use a rochester carb off of a 250-6 chevy.  The 
added
fuel washes the oil off the rings and cylinders.. ie. lots of wear. <<

and ..>>Living out here in California, the EPA people seem to want me to 
have all
the original smog equipment.  Since the Zenith (IVE - E for emissions) was a
real dog, most everyone threw them out as soon as they got home and bolted
on these silly Rochester's.  Where can I get an IVE Zenith? (with the dash
pot and solenoid fuel cut-off).  Mine even had an EGR valve which I thought
was only on the Austrailian market!<<

Kelly,
I ve had 2 LRs with the Zenith...both carbs died the same death.  The zamac 
(pot metal) body of the thing rotted away at the anti-dieseling solenoid. 
 Replaced one with a Rochester: cheap, easy to install, VERY reliable, more 
power, sucked fuel like a sieve.  No other problems with wear or 
deterioration and it passed the Calif smog checks first try every time.
Replaced the other with the single throat Weber.  More expensive, more 
complicated, better power and response, slightly better mileage, requires 
more love and attention, passes Calif smog checks but usually gets the 
tester into a severe snit.
The Zenith is NOT necessary to pass the test...(try another garage).  The 
things are just an annoyance waiting for invocation by Murphy s Law.  If you 
really want to have an automotive hair shirt like that <bg>, I recommend 
carrying a large store of gasket compound and various types of putty.

Gerry

* RM 1.6 B0280 * From the tracks, I'd say it was probably a porpoise.

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: Range Rover Salvage
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:45:00 PST

Granville said: >> As to where to get totaled
Range Rovers?  I don't know, I hadn't figured that one out, yet.  I figured 
I would
have to call all the insurance adjusters and ask to get in line for bidding
on them as they come up<<

Hey Gran,

Ya gotta potential problem here, as I learned in an unfortunate encounter 
with a deer vs. RX7.  The deer wandered off and the RX7 rolled.  Insurance 
adjuster decided the car was totaled  (that means it's cheaper to pay the 
owner 'blue book' for it than to pay for the repair.   ==> (Repair Cost > 
Vehicle Value = Total the Vehicle)).  Simple economics.  Therefore, given 
the value, Range Rovers are going to be in pretty bad shape to be totaled. 
 You can by a lot of body work for that kind of money.
Worse: in California, when a vehicle has been totaled (at the sole 
discretion of the insurer) it has its title modified (by the DMV) to 
permanently reflect the new status.  From that point on the title will 
always have a large red 'SALVAGED' stamped on the front.  Note: this is 
regardless of the entent of the actual damage to the car!
Were it me, which it ain t, I d pursue some very used/trashed but otherwise 
streetable Range Rover at the cheapest possible price.  I d guess that in 
another year or two somebody's teenage hotshot kid will have destroyed their 
1987 Ranger and they ll be ready to get rid of it for below blue book rather 
than deal with increased insurance premiums.

Gerry

* * CURVED UNIVERSE THEORY STATES: What goes around comes around!

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:36:01 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: RR salvage/Ibex kit

Gerry sez (regarding my plan to use a late-model Range Rover total as donor 
vehicle for mechanicals and title for an Ibex kit):

>Ya gotta potential problem here, as I learned in an unfortunate encounter 
>with a deer vs. RX7.  The deer wandered off and the RX7 rolled.  Insurance 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>1987 Ranger and they ll be ready to get rid of it for below blue book rather 
>than deal with increased insurance premiums.

Trouble is, I don't want an 87 or 88 (because I want 3.9l engine and viscous 
coupling and would rather not use an 89 (no abs).  Sounds like I should not 
try to use the Range Rover title, though, if it's as you say.  Maybe should 
use title from old Land-Rover even if I do get a U.S. legal late-model Range 
Rover. What to do, what to do.  I am a little concerned about how far out 
there I'd be getting if I build an Ibex with Range Rover components and then 
title it as a '58 Land-Rover with which it shares zero parts.  After 
spending $15,000 and a few hundred hours, this could bite me, too.  Lots to 
think about...

If I am going to use title from an old Land-Rover and low-ball it with 3.5l 
engine, non-viscous transfer, no abs, etc., I think I would do better to get 
a wrecked 90 from England.

Thanks for the tips.  Granville

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:15:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Footwell/Mudshield Replacement

Steve dispenses advice...

> DO NOT cut everything out at once...if you do the dementions are lost for 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^
Ah-ha! Roveritus Dementia.. Let's see.. Right here in the DSM3... Yes.. here
it is.. Right along with dieselepsy... Roveritus Dementia - Deterioration of
the mental faculties caused by excessive vibration & noise. People stricken
with this ailment are usually found under large British vehicles muttering
strange incantations. (see also Hair Loss)

Well... that covers just about all of us.... :)

Cheers 
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:16:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Sump plug stuck

Jon likes drilling for oil...

> One other thought might be to cut off the head that is rounded off, or
> leave it there, and if it is brass you could easily drill the correct
> size tap hole size and put in a 1/4, or 3/8 pipe thread plug. Just tap a
> new hole in the existing plug.

Wait a bit, Jon... Didn't you drill for oil into your steering relay?? I
think I'm begining to see a pattern develop here....    :)

Cheers
Mike

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:16:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Fern is dead...

Jon sez...

> Mike, my deepest sympathies go out to Fern, and to you, oh greiving 

Gee, thanks Jon...

> Alas Alas, Farewell sweet Prince/Princess. Most Humble Servant Rest In
> Peace.

Actually - more like Prince of Darkness... Seems that Fern decided to play
one last trick after getting towed home and up the driveway. I had to use
the winch to get the old beast out of the way in the back yard, and since by
that time it was pretty dark I had the headlights on. Guess what? No "low"
beams.... go figure....

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 

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