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1 | William Caloccia [calocc | 18 | new owner of old truck |
2 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 21 | Waving... |
3 | Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris | 21 | Footwell/Mudshield Replacement |
4 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 17 | Re: GATT |
5 | CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR | 56 | Various |
6 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 20 | Re: Mixing Fuels |
7 | "Rostykus, John" [john@d | 16 | Re: Overdrives |
8 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 18 | Re: Overdrives |
9 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 18 | Re: Various |
10 | Jon Humphrey [jh5r+@andr | 12 | FYI anyone |
11 | mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne | 91 | RE: Ibex and other questions |
12 | mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne | 31 | RE: Scotty Conversions |
13 | Marcus Tooze [tooze@vinn | 52 | new member questions |
14 | labranch@sybase.com (Jas | 33 | More on Mixing Fuels |
15 | Kelly Minnick [minnick@j | 53 | Rover |
16 | Kelly Minnick [minnick@j | 40 | LR |
17 | jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) | 38 | Re: new member questions |
18 | William.Grouell@Eng.Sun. | 16 | Re: forwarded message |
19 | Andrew Steele [ad158@DAY | 29 | RR Fuel Capacity |
20 | Bob Rickard [brickard@ol | 5 | [not specified] |
21 | jpappa01@InterServ.Com ( | 43 | roverhead rantings |
22 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 85 | Re: roverhead rantings |
23 | rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest. | 11 | U-Joints |
Subject: new member note Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 05:14:09 -0500 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com> ------- Forwarded Message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:36:09 -0500 Subject: new owner of old truck I would like to be added to the Land Rover Owner's group. I purchased a 1973 Series III 88 last night. It didn't look any better this morning, but I'm looking forward to resurrecting a vehicle that hasn't run in nine or ten years. I've been reading all I can about landies for a month or two while searching for one of my own, but hope to learn more through this electronic medium. My name is Erik van Dyck, I live in the Atlanta, Georgia area. Merry Christmas ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 07:00:56 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Waving... FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Waving... "Uncle Roger" is right on! It wouldn't hurt to build a reputation of LR owners as courteous and friendly people anyway. Hopefully this won't be TOO much of a change in character for most of us. After all, we already are united as a group here on the net, for the purpose of helping and sharing information with eachother. Let's just expand our horizons. Dave (I wave to everyone) Brown - '94 Discovery - Phoenix Arizona USA #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _ | |_ | thing that ever has. "(_)""""(_)" -Margaret Mead ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 09:18:38 -0500 From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Footwell/Mudshield Replacement I will be spending the weekend in the garage installing two new galvanized door posts, footwells and mudshields to my SIIA. (For some reason the vehicle will not pass Maryland state inspection when you can watch the front wheels turning from inside) Does anyone have any advice to pass on from past experience in doing this repair? Are there any problems I should expect along the way? Chris Stevens (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) Chrisste@cerf.net R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 4 L '69 S.IIa 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Re: GATT Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 6:27:11 PST I think the D-90 was excluded from the 25% import tax due to ythe 6019 lbs gvw. Russ 1> > On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Morgan Hannaford wrote: > > When I read about the new GATT proposal being embraced by the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)] > wasn't that the WHOLE point of GATT? Wonderful politicians.... > Cheers, > -- RP ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:31:27 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Subject: Various Jory writes about windscreen glass and fuel pumps. Just about any glass shop that does automotive work can cut a piece for you. When a duffer of a neighbor ricocheted a 9 iron shot off a sappling and into my passenger side windscreen, the local glass shop cut a new piece of tinted, DoT-approved glass for $37 using the old piece as a pattern. The shop will likely give you a coil/strip of butyl sealing compound (forget the 3M crap in a tube). Get the thinnest you can (1/8" or so). This is about the only Rover job best accomplished in the sun rather than under a convenient shade tree. Run the sealing compound around the perimeter of the glass (both sides, not the edge), but leave the release paper on. Use wooden shims (AKA, "the fourth tool") under the bottom to center the glass - the compound's extremely sticky and you have *one shot* at correct alignment. Strip the paper off the front side and press into place. Now strip the inside paper and secure with the four retainer pieces and #2 SS philips screws. Do not try to tighten all at once. Let it warm in the sun and come back two or three times and tighten the screws a little more each time. Then trim the excess sealant with a razor. As to fuel pumps, buy a used one (Bruce at British Rovers has some) and rebuild it. (*Plastic* sediment bowls!?! Arggh. Is *nothing* sacred???) When I got married, Robert Davis gave me a set of *my* "crystal" pattern: a set of glass sediment bowls...they're just the thing for Drambuie and single malts. Jason LaBranch writes about fuel substitutes. In a pinch, a lot of stuff *might* work, just don't make a habit of it. When Mike McCaig was stuck on a Iowa farm on a frozen Sunday morning, he used four gallons of kerosene livened up with a gallon of Coleman fuel. (Probably approximates 50 octane PMex gas!) The Rover ran fine until he could get to an open station 60 miles away. I've heard of diesels running on banana oil and there is a movement afoot in the UK to produce "bio-diesel" from rapeseed oil (used in margarine). Bon appetit. A lot of action on the Camel Trophy Zippo lighter auction. But Ben Hui, send in another bid, as yours got scrambled somehow. It was delivered ...but as "undeliverable" and missing the body of the text. (How that is possible is beyond me.) For those who came in late, this is an engraved brass Zippo with Camel Trophy logo and the location of every Camel Trophy event on it. Proccedes go to the club treasury. Send your bid to the below address; bids close Friday 4PM EST. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:20:23 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Mixing Fuels On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Jason LaBranch wrote: > Qestion: I have read somewhere that the Land Rover engine, I beleive > the 2.25 petrol engine, is capable of running with fuel mixtures such [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > to tune the engine to do this. What kind of tunning is required? What > are good mixtures to use? The answer is yes, but... Only the much older engines could do this to any extent. The distrubutor had a wee lever/gear on it that allowed you to play about. Never could handle straight diesel though, but could handle some awful muck. BTW, the IIA 2.25l petrol is good down to 63 octane. Rgds, ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM> Subject: Re: Overdrives Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 08:32:00 PST Mike writes: >I picked up a used OD a few years ago... Ran it for a year or two and then >the fine teeth stripped out of the input end of the mainshaft.. :( A friend of mine had the same experience, but with a 1 year old *new* OD. It would have cost him ~$250 for a new mainshaft, at the time. He since opted for 3.54 diffs. Has anyone else had this problem with the Fairey OD? Rosty john@data-io.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:36:28 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Overdrives On Tue, 13 Dec 1994 LANDROVER@delphi.com wrote: > No, no.. we have more than enough cold to go around... We import it from > Canada, right Dixon?? Shoot, I just *love* listening to the suspension creak > in the cold.. and the engine go ruhh, ruhh, ruhh, ruhh, sputter, ruhh... and > the axels crack.. We are very generous in Canada. We think it is only fair to send you down some nice cool weather in exchange for that humid muck, 80+ degree days you inflict on us in the summer... :-) Besides, we *know* your really love -20 days and lots of snow. Right? :-) Rgds, ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Various Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 16:44:25 GMT Sandy, Although bio diesel isnt on sale here at present,despite pressure, (The Westminster Gang is trying,I suspect to work an angle to favour themselves,and to further rip off us "wallets on wheels),it is,I beleive,widely available on "Le Continong". I posted this tit bit yesterday but I think it got bumped. Land Rover have secured a 16million pound order for Defenders from the Italian Government,to supply gov utilities.Forestry was mentioned on the local TV item.Delivery to begin next March.Any further info Ludo? Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 13:07:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: FYI anyone I'm not even sure what this is, but if anyone is interested here goes. >From: simonc@bri.hp.com (Simon Chandler) >Subject: 1951 Rover 75 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 48 lines)] > United Kingdom >---==----=-=---====--=---=-==--===-=-=--=====-=----===---=--=--==-==-=-= ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:09:11 -0800 From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: RE: Ibex and other questions Jory, you wrote, in part: >4. Gonna get my cracked windshield fixed (it's actually covered by my >insurance with $0 deductible!). Anyone had their front glass replaced by a >normal car glass place? Are they able to deal with a series rover? Guess >I'll find out.. I had a piece of glass cut at a glass shop and put it in myself. Easy to do. The glass shop should be able to supply suitable seal strip material too, as that needs to be renewed. I got tinted glass which was a big improvement. If I were doing it now, I would take the center divider out of my windscreen frame and have a single piece of glass cut to fit. This is done in England a lot. But I would add a stiffener on the inside in place of the center divider. Would then look pretty stock, be essentially as strong as the divided screen but allow the three-wiper conversion. For the later IIAs and IIIs, that have the remote motor and cable drive for the wipers, you can reverse the position of the right-hand wiper drive (if above the cable move below or vice versa) to make both wipers go the same direction, then add a third wiper in the middle so you get a much larger wiped area. For someone tall in a Series Land-Rover, this can make it much better for winter driving. >5. I removed the rear seats. They were really space-inefficient. O.K. but make sure you hang on to them. If you ever sell, make sure the seats go with the Rover. Or sell them to another Rover owner whose seats have gone missing. It happens a lot. Several of the Land-Rovers I have bought have lost all their back seats. >7. With respect to IBEX acquisition. Anyone have any idea what the "new" >IBEX (or whatever it's gonne be called) will be like? Foers said he's send [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)] >IBEX... I am in favor of sourcing/fabrication collaboration. Anyone else >game? I'm game to discuss any strategies that we could put together for mutual benefit. Of late I have been vacillating. I really want an Ibex (or its successor) but, inasmuch as it would be somewhat more attainable, also considering doing a coil conversion with Rover V-8 in one of my existing Rovers (the East African Preditory Wildlife Survey Series II 88). So I need encouragement to hold out for the more expensive four by four by Foers route which I really want. It would be so much easier if I weren't so poor... :^{ The background for my thinking that I would use a wrecked Range Rover as the base is as follows: The ideal donor vehicle is the Defender 90 or 110, as there are certain parts which have to come from one such, namely, the fascia (dashboard), pedal box, and heater. The running gear and suspension can come from either a Defender or Range Rover (or for that matter, I suppose, a Discovery). My thinking is that if I got a U.S.-spec '90-'93 Range Rover roll-over, I could get all the necessary running gear, suspension, leather seats, air-conditioning, power steering, auto box (my preference for my bad-ass 4x4 as it gives better ultimate traction), ABS (definitely needed with an automatic), self-leveling, etc. I would want to eventually add Rancho suspension upgrades (11" front and 15" rear wheel-travel) and driver-lockable diffs, but the stock stuff would do for a start. I figure that I would register the Range Rover, get it smogged, etc., then canibalize it to build my Ibex. Where I live (Mendocino County) there is no annual vehicle inspection but, of course, that could change and is, indeed, in danger of changing in the near future, as we are borderline for being a non- attainment area air-quality-wise. I hadn't really thought about what happens if it has to be inspected after construction. Reckon we ought to, huh. I don't know the rules for kit-cars but had assumed that they just have to meet the requirements for the as-registered donor vehicle. We do need to know what California says about this... Maybe you are right to suggest an old series vehicle for title, the older the better. I have title from a 1958 Series II 88 which would serve nicely. But that's essentially the only "part" from a series Rover which would be usable. It would, perhaps be cheaper, having the title, to get a wrecked V-8 Defender 90 from England and use everything from it. Then, if I want certain RR components, they area always available from AAA Small Car World (or some such name), an auto wrecker in Texas. As to where to get totalled Range Rovers? I don't know, I hadn't figured that one out, yet. I have only ever seen two for sale, over the years. I don't reckon they are easy to come by and there are certain folks, such as that wrecker just mentioned, Roverworks, etc., already plugged into how to glom them. I figured I would have to call all the insurance adjusters and ask to get in line for bidding on them as they come up. Could take a long time to find one and I can't guess what sort of bid it would take to get one. So I am still open to suggestions, encouragement, and offers of financial support (buy one of my Land-Rovers?).... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:08:27 -0800 From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: RE: Scotty Conversions Robert, you wrote (in part): >I'm doing an engine conversion and have talked to Scotty, thanks TerriAnn. >He is out of adapters, but will have a new batch in a few months. Does >anyone have or know of an extra. Steve Johnson had a repaired one for >sale at the ROAV rally, but I have not been able to reach him. His had >been broken at one time. Anyway please help. I talked to a woman named Carla at the Hayward meet in July who had a Scotty conversion with four-cylinder Chevy engine installed in a late-model 88 and needed to convert it back to stock because it was not smog legal. So she was interested in selling the conversion and Chevy engine or trading for stock set-up. I don't know if she still has it; I have not talked to her since the meet. I did not see the 88; the vehicle she had at the meet was an older 109 2-door. While I am at it, fellow netters and especially John Hess, She also had a set of military bolt-together wheels she was wanting to sell. If she mentioned prices for any of these items, I did not make a note of them. If interested, call: Carla Satra or Patricia Gibbons at 408-923-3618. Hope this helps. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:25:52 -0600 From: Marcus Tooze <tooze@vinny.cecer.army.mil> Subject: new member questions Can't remember whether I introduced myself before or not. Anyhow, I'm Marcus Tooze, a brit living in IL, USA. I have a lot of experience with the MG marques (mostly A and B series engine) and the TR series (mainly Spits, 4s and any 6 cyl TR). I'm new to the Landrover, and mine is a '67 109 Safari....(in addition to my '72 TR6). On frst examination it seemed to be a fairly simple beast. Not too much electrical wise, a stump pulling drivetrain (is the 4 wheeler set up problematic eg, more transmission bits to worry about?) and room to sit under it while working...not like my friends stupid TVR 2500! Anyway, i have some questions... It has been sandblasted inside and out and it now rust/crud free. Here are the questions: 1) I have new floor pans waiting to be installed. The old ones were alreasy out when I got it. How are they fixed in? weld or pop rivet? I think they are replacemnet steel....but if they are ally, I guess I won't be welding them! 2) What prep does the aluminum need for paint? What type of primer should be used? 3) I will be doing a 'special' paint job. African Safari Zebra stripe. Just so I can pretend i got back from a 6 month expedition to the plains of the Serengeti. Obviously, it will be a variation of black and white stripes on the outside of the truck, but what about the inside?? All white?? Has anybody been in a zebra landrover in Africa before?? I need a photo!!! 3) Two of my door frames have 2-3 inch sections tinwormed out. I don't want to patch....are the frames available? Does anybody have two rear doors handy? 4) I have A LOT of brand new spares w/ it. Stuff I probably won't use. For example, door skins, light cages, rear frame cross member (the one on the car right now is fine, god knows why he bought it!!), just a whole bunch of stuff, are people on this list interested in trading parts? 5) There is a weber instead of the original carb/s. The original carb/s are/is in one of the parts boxes, but I haven't looked yet. What did the 1967 4 cyl. come with? SUs? If so, I think I may swap back...I don't trust webers! 6) Is the overdrive installation easy to a non-od drivetrain. Right now cruising at 55 is noisy. Thanks for all your help... Marcus ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:00:36 PST From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: More on Mixing Fuels After asking the question on mixing fuels I remembered a meeting with an unusual man. When I lived in Upstate New York (specifically South Fallsburg) I was in the corner store where I would frequent. There was a short bald old man with a nice beer belly making lots of noise. My friend started poking me a telling me that that was the man he saw on a half hour show on A&E the other night. It turns out the guy was a mechanical engineer in the Army during World War II. The Army was experimenting with different fuels to run the tanks and he was one of the members of the team. After the war the Army dropped the whole idea but this guy (I foget his name) continued to this day to develop alternative fuel modifications to engines in his back yard. He has been trying to sell his ideas to auto makers but none have bit. We talked to the guy a bit and he took us out to see his new Ford Taurus which he had modified to run on vegitable oil. The modifications seemed pretty simple -- there were a few canisters and tubes attached to the carb. When he gets low on fuel he heads over to the local McDonalds and they give him their old french fries oil. He filters out the chunks of french fries and drives off. I wish I remebered the name of this guy but I don't so I can't tell you. See Ya' Jason ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil> Subject: Rover Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 12:29:03 PST '73 sIII 88" safari Hello fellow LR lovers. I've been listening for quite some time, and decided to take the plunge and send in some mail. I have previously owned an '87 RR and a ex-logging camp '64 88" that looked like it was used to plow the road with it's body! (sack of potatoes). Every LR I've owned except the RR, I towed home and had to get running. In fact, the '73 I have now, the people stored for 12 years with just water in the cooling system... When I finally fixed the timing chain adjuster, it started weeping water into the oil. OK easy. Just a head gasket, right? Nope. As luck would have it, the head was cracked. After ordering a new head from Turner Eng. ($450 shipped to my door Vs $650-$800 for a rebuilt) I checked out the bores. With 39,000 miles, they were worn out. NEVER use a rochester carb off of a 250-6 chevy. The added fuel washes the oil off the rings and cylinders.. ie. lots of wear. I now have a Webber and I have also used the Ford carb from a 1962 Commet with a 144 ci 4 cylinder. Mounting is identical to the Zenith... I have a couple of questions for you experts out there: 1. I want to put the tropical windows into my safari top. Does anyone have a patern that needs cut into my top? 2. I would also like to add the vents, but I think I would have to buy the other roof skin so they could open. Is this correct? 3. Series III took away all the metal from the dash to save me... My defroster hose on the passenger side fits into a rubber boot (sleeve) that attaches to the metal plate in the dash/heater box. Is there a part # for this? This vehicle was stored with the top off and the goats ate all the rubber parts they could! 4. Where is the best place to mount my CB antenna? I was going to put it at the rear on the backside of the top... I hate cutting the aluminum, and don't know it the aluminum with withstand the trees hitting my antenna... 5. I've heard rummours of a 'kit' that allows the use of a LT77 5spd box with my transfer case. If this is true, it would be much better than an overdrive since there would be less back-lash... 6. Living out here in California, the EPA people seem to want me to have all the original smog equipment. Since the Zenith (IVE - E for emissions) was a real dog, most everyone threw them out as soon as they got home and bolted on these silly Rochester's. Where can I get an IVE Zenith? (with the dash pot and solenoid fuel cut-off). Mine even had an EGR valve which I thought was only on the Austrailian market! Well, enough for now. Kelly Minnick Ridgecrest, California (Mojave Desert) ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil> Subject: LR Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 12:47:32 PST Yes, it's me again. Just wanted to respond to a few messages: 1. Roll bars (even on the US 90) don't appreciable add to the stiffness of the frame. It can't. It is a bolted assembly that is mounted to the top of the frame on a perch. If you take this 'H' ladder (your frame) and twist it in your mind from side to side, the roll bar would have to completely attach around to the underside of the frame to be loaded in tension. Roll bars are made to be loaded in compression - i.e. that's why the perch is on the top of the frame member. I do agree that a roll bar is definately the safest with a hard top to keep out the rocks as you are tumbling. (roll bars can't keep the rocks or bushes from jabbing the cars' contents) My jeep and Land Cruiser buddies make fun of my poor man's jeep that can't afford a roll bar...Some- one should make an aftermarket kit (hint hint). 2. Why would the windshield height be any different on the 90 vs the sIII? If the doors are the same, wouldn't the shields have to be at the same height? Maybe I haven't spent enough time at the dealers. By the way, where do you guys get the money for these US spec 90's? At $33K, I say ouch! 3. LR sells the studs for the sIII wheel hubs. I have put these in my sIIA and would recommend it to all sIIA owners. No real reason to use the NAPA part. It might not be as strong?! 4. Fuel pumps are available. The newer ones have crimped in one-way valves. They can be modified so that they are replacable like the older units. 5. I found a source for METAL fan blades for all you sIII owners with the plastic sun/rotted blades... 6. I have and Excel database for a buch of sIIa/sIII LR part #'s. If you want it, ask... Kelly Minnick Ridgecrest, CA ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:42:57 -0800 From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: new member questions WTR paint: Someone else asked about painting the rover, and I have all the info from my paint job somewhere (receipts, note, etc). I tries to write the oher rquester, but their email repeatedly bounced. Anyway, I recently moved and my records are currently inaccessible. When they are unearthed, I'll post the details (but somone else probably knows as much as I do anyway...) >1) I have new floor pans waiting to be installed. The old ones were alreasy >out when I got it. How are they fixed in? weld or pop rivet? I think they >are replacemnet steel....but if they are ally, I guess I won't be welding them! they bolt in (a combination of bapritve nut tingies and regular nuts n' bolts. You seal it (well, som chose not to seal, but, if you do...) with ether some caulk-like string (name?) or with 3/4" wide, 1/4" thick adhesive backed closed cell foam (where are you located?). The latter is what LR uses in defenders, and it's worked great for me (I got it at a rubber supply store) >4) I have A LOT of brand new spares w/ it. Stuff I probably won't use. >For example, door skins, light cages, rear frame cross member (the one >on the car right now is fine, god knows why he bought it!!), just a whole >bunch of stuff, are people on this list interested in trading parts? I am intereted in the light cages... don't have that many parts to exchange (maybe I could BUY them.. gasp!) >6) Is the overdrive installation easy to a non-od drivetrain. Right now >cruising at 55 is noisy. The OD install is easy... jory bell jory@mit.edu (but I'm in SF!) ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:54:43 +0800 From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Subject: Re: forwarded message > I have a question about these wheel nuts. I have 8 Land Rovers with both > the double beveled nuts and the single beveled nuts and in almost all of [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > say the studs on all of them are too short for the nuts Land Rover > supplies. Has anyone ever checked to see why this is so? Dave VE4PN The nuts protect the thread on the end of the stud. If the stud stuck out it could easily get buggered on a rock, then you'd have a time getting the nut off. R, bg ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 23:10:39 -0500 From: Andrew Steele <ad158@DAYTON.WRIGHT.EDU> Subject: RR Fuel Capacity John Brabyn wrote a day or two ago that filling his RR petrol from empty took 18.8 gallons. I also had the privilege to run a little low, also after dinner, but I made it out of the parking lot and into the middle of a 4 lane road controlled intersection. Didn't realize an 87 automatic could be pushed by one person w/ leather bottomed loafers. To conclude the recollection, my log indicates that refill to full took only 18.4 gallons. Additionally, I had the insult of the pump nozzle not automatically shutting off while I held it. Any connection. Subsequent complaints to the station attendant and then owner assured me that the pump was functioning normally for other customers. Wait --- I just figured it out, I was filling with Imperial gallons while LR must be measuring the tank in US gallons. Per my almanac 1 gallon British Imperial = 1.201 U.S. Gallons. Amazing what you can think of after a Bass. Andrew & lum Dayton, OH 87 RR **** still looking for leads on an "inexpensive" 109 diesel **** ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Rickard <brickard@olympus.net> HELP ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:20:06 PST From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com (Jim Pappas) Subject: roverhead rantings the 1995 rangey 4.0 s.e. will be launched at nada dealers on 1/27/95. check local dealers for "party" schedules. Limited supply (!) for initial launch. Price $55-56K U.S. Car is totally redesigned and the good news is that the rangey "classic" 100-incher original bodystyle coming in at $45K - still lotsa bucks, but three thou less than same car two years ago! Been driving nada-def90 dealer hardtop for about a week now. as expected, a great improvement for winter driving in cold climes. Yes Martha, you *can* hear the radio at speed - and stay warm on the lower blower speed. not 2 beat a dead pony, but having the full cage installed gives peace of mind and really makes for a rattle-free landy. I would hate to roll one over with just the grp top alone... The new top seals well and it is a tribute to the design team to provide same whilst fitting over the cage still fits basically flush to tub sides and maintains classic series profile w/alpine lights and rear quarter lights. lift up tail gate hinges do have a somewhat "wrangleresque" look! Gas-assist struts and smooth operation though. its a nice piece but certainly a metal top it ain't. So if you are a 90 owner, keep the cage! Defender future? Nothing certain, but look for possible additional variations of 90 before DOT forces it to go away. One things for sure - value will be strong and it will take its place amongst the series cars as a cult classic. Used def 110's are fetching over original list price! one or two years left of opportunity to scoff def90. I agree w/Bill. lower $ = >volume. I of all wish that bloody 25% was gone. Don't forget, though - it is possible to price a jeep wrangler laredo at over twenty grand! this puts the 90 price even w/tariff in perhaps a more justifiable light - no? I think that the wrangler is the best sales tool that the defender 90 has! the jeep is a really not-so-wonderful piece. enjoy your land rovers -whatever model it is! revel in the exclusivity and cachet - it is what it is and that's why (whether you admit it or not) you love `em! there is a funk quotient that defies objectivity. and at no charge! see ya! Jimbo roverheadus infectidadus extremis jpappa01@interserv.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:25:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: roverhead rantings On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Jim Pappas wrote: > a dead pony, but having the full cage installed gives peace of mind and really > makes for a rattle-free landy. I would hate to roll one over with just the grp > top alone... Hard top of the Series works quite well too... :-) Granted the only two occassions where an 88 nearly rolled (both are on the list, but no names of course <grin>) were when they were nearly stationary beside a paved road (damn those soft shoulders...:-)) > Gas-assist struts and smooth operation though. its a nice piece but certainly > a metal top it ain't. So if you are a 90 owner, keep the cage! No comment... > Defender future? Nothing certain, but look for possible additional variations > of 90 before DOT forces it to go away. One things for sure Bet you they are gone for one reason. The 300 TDi will be the only engine offered by LR. If its approved, then it will be here, if not... DOT isn't going to blow away the Defender in the USA, EPA will & only because LR isn't going to have the V8 about (unless by special order, but try and get one over in the USA) > value will be strong and it will take its place amongst the series cars > as a cult classic. The N.A. jury is still out on this one (not wanting to feed any flame wars) > Used def 110's are fetching over original list price! one or two years > left of opportunity to scoff def90. Make you a deal. I can get a few 110's at under list. I'll sell them to you at the original list, you sell at above list and we can both make quite a few bucks. > Don't forget, though - it is possible to price a jeep wrangler laredo at > over twenty grand! <be good.... Don't comment on those that would pay this...> > the exclusivity and cachet - it is what it is and that's why (whether you > admit it or not) you love `em! there is a funk quotient that defies > objectivity. and at no charge! At big charge. LR should have brought over a stripper. They could have sold a lot more of them at a lot less. Remember who runs LR. Look at the name heritage. Before LR we had Rover. Before Rover it was Austin/Rover. Befor that Jaguar/Austin/Triumph. Before that British Leyland... And so on... This is the bunch that brought the Stirling to the USA, had no concept of management practices in the UK, destroyed Triumph, MG el al as marques... LR as a model has kept the company afloat despite the clueless wonders running the place (granted the Mini makes money, but they nearly killed that, but couldn't because they couldn't even afford to kill it at the time!). Read up on Edwards, Lord, and the rest that actually ran the show. The 90 a classic? Maybe, but why is the latest RN have an article on detering rust on the 90? Don't want to start anything here, but... Is LR that great? Well, lets discuss the history of the corporation, those that run it. The vehicle is very good, but what is behind it... OVLR asked LR a *YEAR* ago for permssion to use LR in our name. You would think that they could have come up with an answer, yes or no, in a *YEAR*. LR is about to drop support for a ton of Series parts. LR/BL left the Series owners in the dark in '74 when they pulled out. It took clubs like ROAV, OVLR, ALROC, etc. to group together and get parts, organise, and keep their LRs on the road. What is parts supply going to be like when the 90 hits the dust? Will BSROA, ROAV, OVLR have to start organising parts for the 90 owners too? I ramble. Too much Guinness with Dale... :-) > Jimbo > roverheadus infectidadus extremis Rgds, Dixon logicalus roverheadus historicalus infectiadus rationalus extremis ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 23:47:31 MST From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Subject: U-Joints Anybody out there come up with a non-Rover replacement for the u-joints? Need some sonn. But of course was wondering if they could be had kinda local. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941214 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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