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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:26:02 +0000
Subject: Re: Ascii Rovers

> could compile them and post them.  I'm afraid I've not kept track of the 
> artists, though.  

Wrap them up and ship it off to the two 'Web sights :-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
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I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:39:09 +0000
Subject: A telly program all about the Land Rover

Here in the UK one of our motoring programs (Top Gear) recently ran a 
series called "The Car's the Star". This looked at classic cars, tracing 
their history and talking to owners, builders and designers.

The next series will include the Land Rover (which has been filmed!)

Keep an eye out for it...

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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From: rsrose@cco.caltech.edu (Randolph Rose)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: 2 Dec 1994 10:03:04 GMT

Well, digest mode has is a pain is that it's hard to respond to only one 
posting at a time, so I have not chimed in at al when I have wanted to.

No problems are boring, but the '57 107 has been doing faithful duty as
a daily driver...no big problems for thre years now, knock on wood!
Southern Califonia is no winter challenge, (as Ben can probably back up)
with temperatures rarely below 40F.  Although I would not mind the trips
to Salton Sea -- or Death Valley.

Some talk of whiches has gone by.  The best Winch IMHO, from experience
has been a power take off (from the trans where the overdrive is) made
by Koenig.  You get 4 winch speeds through the trans, control from the
cab. I've found control of the winch while sitting in the cab the best,
wish I still had my Koenig.  I have a hydrolic Rover Winch still to
be fitted -- see if it has the same flexibility. I won't forget the
time I came upon another 4wd vehicle that had tried to winch
another up a slope.  Had an elecric winch attached.  The load was too
much, the winch motor burned out, and it was stuck -- could not go
up or douwn. With a PTO winch, I've broken the cable, but I haven't
been left stranded attached to another truck, not able to winch in
or out...  I've found (preffered) the Koenig PTO to be another 
good choice for another reason: the drum is tall and wide.  You 
don't have to worry about cable binding while winching.

FWD hubs: the Fairy hubs with a hex nut on the otside for engage/release
have a tendance to slip on hard load - with an un-nerving bang.

For the transmission the jumps out of 2nd.  If it is a IIa type, been there .
Worn 2nd Gear dog mainshaft or slider.  Series III trans, probably worn dog 
on the mainshft gear.

Randy
 
on the mainshaft gear.

C
another up
to 

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: LRO hard top
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 3:20:25 PST

> DEFENDER 90 UPDATES:
> ITS HERE AT LONG LAST!! The GRP H A R D T O P is finally a reality!! It can 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> now be ordered through any authorized dealer. Hard price is not known but 
> around $2,000. It looks GREAT! Official ship date was 11/29. Any bad news? Oh 

Do you have a Rover part number so I can put my dealership to work?

Russ
> DEFENDER 90 UPDATES:
> ITS HERE AT LONG LAST!! The GRP H A R D T O P is finally a reality!! It can 

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From: "Mr T.stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Freewheeling Hubs
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:34:17 +0000 (GMT)

When I had a SIII I used to keep the hubs engaged all the time when
driving on the island and only disengage them when I went over to the
mainland. This was partly to keep the oil/water gloop in the swivels
circulating, but mainly because I always hated getting out of the
vehicle into ankle deep slurry/mud/water to engage the hubs whenever I
needed 4WD.
I never used low range without the hubs engaged (except accidentally)
even though the SIII had a salisbury rear axle. I must confess though
that now I have a 90 I use low range with the diff unlocked quite a lot
for maneuvering trailers etc, and for travelling at 1 mph in traffic
jams across the Kingston Bridge on the odd excursion to Glasgow.
Cheers
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(0475) 530581  Fax:(0475) 530601

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Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 09:28:53 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Discovery Purchase

In yesterday's post, I mentioned the possibility of a friend purchasing a
Discovery while on vacation in the UK.  As Discoveries are in short supply
on this side of the pond, and with but one dealership in the various
metropolitan areas, its very much an example of the laws of supply and
demand, i.e., low supply + high demand = high prices +long waits.
Presumably in the UK, vehicle prices would be lower (excluding the V.A.T.,
of course) because there are more dealers and vehicles and the cost of
shipping across an ocean is not involved...or does it not work that way?

Over here, another friend just availed himself of the "Auto Locater"
service, and on-line computer service that will find any vehicle for you.
Specify vehicle, color, options, etc., and the service will locate that
vehicle (new or used) at the best price.  If unable to locate one, the
service will buy it direct from the factory at the *guaranteed* lowest
price.  With such information in hand, he purchased a new Ford from a local
dealer for a mere fraction over the dealer's *actual* cost.  No haggling,
no hassle, and saved a bundle.  Does such a service exist in the UK or are
prices so tightly controlled by Solihull that one dealer's list price is
the same as another's.  Does competition/sales volume ever enter into the
equation?  Could a direct factory purchase even be made?  Inquiring minds
want to know.

      "I'm not saying I'm over the hill, but I got a pretty
       darned good view of the valley...."

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
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Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 08:02:17 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery.

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery.
HELP!!! I am looking for a CD changer to interface with a '94 Land Rover
Discovery. The factory unit ($800) is a Pioneer CDX-M65. I can't find a
stereo dealer that lists one, and the closest in any catalog is a '93
model CDX-M6 but is not available to any of their sources. I tried a
CDX-M30, but it doesn't communicate with the LR radio "head unit". I'd
rather not get an FM modulated (universal fit) unit, but as a last
resort.... I'll buy a used one if anyone has one!!!

The plug is rectangular with 2 rows of pins, approximately 18 pins. The
CDX-M30 had the correct plug, but didn't interface. :(

I know there are some stereo experts out there... Please HELP!!!

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|___|__\___              can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _ |   |_ |             thing that ever has.
"(_)""""(_)"                                            -Margaret Mead

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 08:48:44 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: waxoyl vs. LPS

In message <199412020048.TAA04925@transfer.stratus.com> "Russell G. Dushin" 
writes:
> I then spoke with an information specialist here at work...a library
> dude.  He said that the composition was probably a trade secret, and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> off for the rest of the day.  I don't think I'll be injecting
> any waxoyl into my gc.
> rd/nigel

So contact Moss and ask for a MSDS for Waxol.  You might get some better hints 
as to what's inside, if you can use it as a gravy thickner or hair wax.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 09:38:36 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery.

In message <199412021503.KAA10277@transfer.stratus.com>  writes:
> FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>        Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> The plug is rectangular with 2 rows of pins, approximately 18 pins. The
> CDX-M30 had the correct plug, but didn't interface. :(

Thanks for the discription of the LR head unit.  I've been toying with the 
concept of putting a radio in a Land Rover.  The concept requires a major 
paradigm shift.  But as I get older, I tend to like luxuries a little more, and 
maybe a radio could be nice company.  Now that I know what to look for, I just 
might spring for one to put in my 109.

The big question of course is if I should get one with a tape player or just a 
radio.  I'm afraid that the off road dust could jam up a tape player & cause 
scratches on tapes.  I would have to find a place to put it where it wouldn't 
get soaked when I clean out the interior with a garden hose.

You say the factory used a Japanese radio.  Well I guess I'm not suprised.  I 
just picked up a pair of unipart U joints for the TR3.  The Unipart label said 
made in Japan.

> I know there are some stereo experts out there... Please HELP!!!

Stereo... Thats a thought.  In a Land Rover yet?  What will they think of next?

:*) with appologies to David, but I couldn't help myself ;^)

 (I wave at Discoverys)

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 10:11:59 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic
amenity as an armrest on the door?

John Brabyn

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 10:11:59 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic
amenity as an armrest on the door?

John Brabyn

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:24:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: LPS and underwater Disco

I don't want to sound like I'm pushing this LPS 3 thing, I just
wanted to see if it was similar to this waxoyl stuff.

BUT, if you saw photos of the last Transylvania Trophy in LRO
or Off-Road 4wheel drive magazines, the ex Camel Discovery that
is sunk half-way up the windscreen has a big LPS sponsor/advert.
label on the back-side window.

If LPS 3 helps reduce corrosion after this kind of activity, I'll
buy the 55 gal. drum.

Screw it!!!! If any executives from LPS read this, offer me a job, quick,
I'm on a roll!!!!

Morgan H.
ecology grad student at Cal., but willing 
to work in industry if my company car
is a new Land-Rover. please?

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Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 11:27:11 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Thanks TeriAnn... I wave at ALL Land Rovers!

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Thanks TeriAnn... I wave at ALL Land Rovers!
Thanks TeriAnn! I DO appreciate your humor, as well as your driving a
109. My 15 yr old son has become interested in 4WD vehicles as of late,
and before I got my Disco, he wanted a (gulp, get ready,) "Jeep
Wrangler". (What can I say... he's just a kid!) Well, as fate would have
it, he IS maturing. He can identify a LR from about 1/2 mile away, and
is CONSTANTLY pointing out ANY that I happen not to mention as we drive
around. He even identifies Hella lights from an AMAZING distance. (I
REALLY must get my glasses/eyes checked!) Lately, he is asking a lot of
questions about the series trucks, and is starting to want one of those,
rather than the "ugh! Jeep"! (There IS a God!!!)

I too, would like an old 88 or 109 someday, that I can get rough and
totally rowdy with, and just hose it out when done, and keep the Disco
for my daily driver, and dates. (I AM single, but don't wish to remain
in this condition. ;) ) Only 71 more payments, and the Disco's mine! :{

Oh yeah... I wave at ALL Land Rovers! Sometimes the "Rangie's" don't
wave back, and I VERY RARELY see a "series" rover around the Phoenix
Arizona area. :(

TeriAnn, I'm glad you're there, and didn't leave when you threatened to
many months back!

Dave Brown - '94 Disco - Phoenix AZ. USA (Single, looking for a "Roverette")

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|___|__\___              can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _ |   |_ |             thing that ever has.
"(_)""""(_)"                                            -Margaret Mead

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Subject: Re: Rover Pix Are Great 
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 13:37:51 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Ok, you folks in the US, if you're somewhere between Albany, NY and
Baltimore, MD, and see a blue+limestone S.IIa 88" with temporary tags,
give a big wave (or a hand :-) to Chris Stevens, as he is headed south
with what used to be mine.

[And hopefully for both him and I, there won't be any stories about it,
 unless he tries to get home by going off-road  :-) ]
   
Chris, I  reckon this could go on your .sig now :-)

           R  1  3     2   H		"Land Rover's first, becuase
           +--|--|     |   |             Land Rovers last."
              2  4     4   L		'69 S.IIa 88"
    Cheers,
	--bill	caloccia@Team.Net	caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover ++ ('69 S.IIa 88")--

PS There is still a rather well, used, XR4Ti back in upstate NY that I'd
   like to sell, though I don't reckon anyone on this list would be keen on it.

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Date: Fri,  2 Dec 1994 13:47:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LPS and underwater Disco

Morgan sez;
>Screw it!!!! If any executives from LPS read this, offer me a job, quick,
>I'm on a roll!!!!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>to work in industry if my company car
>is a new Land-Rover. please?

Morgan, are you sure you want to live and reside in beautiful Tucker, Georgia?
Just a thought   Jon

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Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 13:42:34 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Pass the Donners, please...

Bill Maloney asks about making passes...particualrly the Donner. Donner
Pass (the Sierra Nevada summit in California for our overseas members) is
basically a straight shot on Interstate 80.  It's the weather that makes
the run interesting.  (For non-American readers, the pass was named for the
Donner party, a group of California-bound settlers that got trapped here in
October of 1850[?], the snowiest winter of the century.  Forced into
cannibalism to survive, most of the men died but the women survived.)  On
each of my three times through, in blizzards each time and once just before
it closed (we got two feet of "Sierra cement" that night), the Rover was
waved through the chain-law check point without even having to slow down.

Smugglers' Notch in Vermont is *very* tight and twisty at the top where one
lane slaloms through house-sized boulders.  I've skied it, but it is
physically blocked (chained) to keep fools off it in winter.  The Stowe
side is the steep one.

Hazen's Notch further north in Vermont was a challenge.  Not blocked off,
we made it to the summit from the north side before turning around as
daylight was fading and the temperature was already below zero.

For thrills, try Teton Pass in winter, where avalanches add an extra
measure of excitement...or how about the "seven sisters" of Loveland Pass?
Nothing like standing on your roof racks and *still* not being able to see
over the roadside snowbanks.

You have excellent traction in dry, untracked snow:  I've plowed (downhill,
mind you) through 50 yards of bonnet-deep powder drifts far from the
highway and once, with urging from the back seat passengers (*always* a
dangerous situation), blasted through a roof-high solitary drift (kinda
like a tiny Sarahan sief dune) that formed in an otherwise cleared parking
lot at the Jay Peak ski area in Vermont.  Looking at the hole afterwards
"...say, there coulda been a VW in there...."

However, in *wet* snow, no can move when it's deeper that the diffs...and
when you get stuck with chains on all four wheels, you are *stuck*.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: 
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:03:53 -0500 (EST)

> CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic
> amenity as an armrest on the door?

	???  The '64 109 of mine has armrests on the door.  I just 
	worry that adding the CD changer will cause strange problems.  
	Having a positive earth vehicle where everything is reversed,
	the one and zero's on the CD platter are going to get played
	back the opposite way.  I get the suspicion that the end result
	won't be much different than when I convinced Dale that the
	Microsoft NT/SQL CD sounded real cool and had him put it in
	his CD player to play as romantic music when his new girlfriend
	was over.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: RE: Range Rover owner goes retro
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 11:30:00 PST

Sorry about the noise folks, but my mailer eats return addresses.  (I really 
appreciate the folks who list their names and e-mail addresses in their 
posts!)

To the new LR owner in Seattle, who writes:
>...  Any words of encouragment or warning about what I should be
>watching out for now?  Any Seattle-area folks willing to provide
>hands-on advice to a novice owner?

I live in the Seattle area, and would like to get in touch with you.  There 
are quite a number of LR's in the area, and an active local club.  In fact, 
the annual snow run/holiday party is tomorrow (Sat. Dec. 3rd.).  This is a 
great chance to meet people.

John Rostykus
john@data-io.com

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: MSDS, Healy catalogs
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 14:56:20 EST

> So contact Moss and ask for a MSDS for Waxol.  You might get some better hints 
> as to what's inside, if you can use it as a gravy thickner or hair wax.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
> twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     

Great idea, but it didn't work...they ain't got the MSDS (material
safety data sheet....the one that *would* have told me not to 
taste it), and the MSDSes that I can search on line from here at 
work don't list waxoyl either (but it is a limited subset of 
MSDSes).

As per the austin healey catalog....I asked them about it and they
said there were two (one for the sprite, one for the "big" healeys).
Which models share the common electrical components with rovers??

thanks,
rd

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:10:54 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In message <9412021811.AA16704@skivs.ski.org> John Brabyn writes:
> CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic
> amenity as an armrest on the door?
> John Brabyn
none

??????????????????????????
My Land Rover came with arm rests in the door.  I thought they all did

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:10:54 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In message <9412021811.AA16704@skivs.ski.org> John Brabyn writes:
> CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic
> amenity as an armrest on the door?
> John Brabyn
none

??????????????????????????
My Land Rover came with arm rests in the door.  I thought they all did

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:17:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery.

On Fri, 2 Dec 1994 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wrote:

> SUBJECT: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery.
> HELP!!! I am looking for a CD changer to interface with a '94 Land Rover
> Discovery. 

Rovers North, Atlantic-British, etc., are all selling the changer for 
between $500-$600.  Installation involves opening the box, placing it 
under the seat, tightening the screws, then plugging in the harness.

Harry

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:30:41 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: RE: Range Rover owner goes retro

Mike, you wrote (in part):

>I don't have a lot of experience with automotive mechanics, so this is 
>going to be a big learning experience for me.  I figured with the old 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>watching out for now?  Any Seattle-area folks willing to provide 
>hands-on advice to a novice owner?

Congratulations on your purchase!  Sounds like a good one.  A couple of 
folks in the Seattle area you should connect with, especially Gord'n 
Perrott.  He really knows his Land-Rovers and is a hell of a fellow.  I 
don't have his phone number handy (surely listed); his address is 10537 
Interlake Ave. N., Seattle 98133.  Another is Benjamin Freeman who is on 
this list(or was--haven't heard from him in a while), his email address is 
<LROVER@u.washington.edu>.  Benjamin can also tell you how to reach Gord'n.  
Gord'n can also tell you about getting into the really great Land-Rover club 
they have in that part of the country.  If you have problems contacting 
these fellows, let me know.

I advise you to avoid Charles Kellogg Northwest Land-Rover Company or some 
such dba.  Other Land-Rover owners in the area will be glad to tell you 
about their horrifying experiences with Kellogg the corn flake.  On the 
other hand, I have heard only good things about Doug Shipman in Portland, OR.

Another Net-Rover commented on the problems with the Dual-Matic hubs and I 
would second that.  I have previously posted a description of my grief with 
Dual- Matics so won't repeat it here as I am copying this to the list.  But 
email me directly if you want a repeat of the details.

Have fun!
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:31:05 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: RE: Ascii Rovers

Uncle Roger thought he'd do something useful with my time, so I came up with 
a Land-Rover sketch comprised of keyboard characters; I have revised as follows:

         .---------------------------------. 
        /        ___________________        \
      ,|________/  _______________  \________|,
       | .---. |  /               \  | .---. |
       | |   | | |                 |'%,|   | |
       | |   | | |                 | | |   | |
 ,---, | |   | | |                 | | |   | | ,---,
 `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---'
      ,'=======|  ___                |=======`,
      |(o)     | /__,|              '%,    (o)|
      |(o)     | `---'  _____        |     (o)|
      |.------.|       |  O  |       |       ||
      ||INDY 1||       | O O |       | (GB)  ||
      |`------'|       `-----'      '%,      || 
      ||_______|_____________________|_______||
      \         ( )     | _ |                 /
       \~~~~'----------,|'-'|----,------'~~~~/
       |\\~//|_~~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~~_|\\~//|
       |\\~//|                         |\\~//|
       |_\_/_|                         |_\_/_|

And, I gotta say, I admire and applaud your work!  Improving or enhancing it 
was a lot harder than it looked!  I have tried stuff like this before and 
given up. Nice, work, really.  And certainly a valuable use of your time.  
Do you really have three door hinges?  Mrs. Gord'n Perrott, dba Stephanie 
Cushing, had that set-up and used the two bottom ones with a normal 
old-style Land-Rover tailgate for a side hinged setup, using only one of the 
normal old-style tailgate catches on the left side.  Really slick, simple, 
and out of the used parts bin.  Do you take your top off and use a tailgate 
similarly?

>P.S. I have been snagging rovers from .sig's, so if anyone's interested, I 
>could compile them and post them.  I'm afraid I've not kept track of the 
>artists, though.  

Yeah, Rog, I would like some.  Before you send stuff, though, let's discuss. 
 Don't want you to send stuff I won't use.  Nice of you to offer, though.  
Also thanks for your helping Jason with the tires.

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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:22:02 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

My somewhat facetious remark about armrests was based on looking at the
new Defender 90's which don't appear to have them!

John Brabyn

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:22:02 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

My somewhat facetious remark about armrests was based on looking at the
new Defender 90's which don't appear to have them!

John Brabyn

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: Ascii Rovers
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:42:02 -0500 (EST)

> And, I gotta say, I admire and applaud your work!  Improving or enhancing it 

	Well, it looks to be a hybrid of some sort.  While it has late IIA/III
	mirrors, it has the earlier taillamps.  There is also an extra 
	door hinge which shouldn't be there if it is to be original.  An 
	excellent attempt... :-)

	Rgds,

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: MSDS, Healy catalogs
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:45:20 -0500 (EST)

> As per the austin healey catalog....I asked them about it and they
> said there were two (one for the sprite, one for the "big" healeys).
> Which models share the common electrical components with rovers??

	Healy 3000 used the same taillight assemblies as the early NA 
stuff.  

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Subject: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971 88 IIA
From: wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Wade Zumbach)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 21:51:55 -0500

My first message on this thing so I guess I'm no longer a virgin (Ha Ha)

does any one know what the red line setting should be at on a 2 1/4 
petrol engine in a 1971 IIa 88", if it matters I have 30x9.50x15" tires 
with no overdrive (but I wish I did)

thanks in advance for any responces 
Wade Zumbach 
1971 IIa 88 station wagon (on the mend)
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. @fourfold.

--
Wade Zumbach, wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:21:57 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Electric Land-Rovers

Fellow Net-Rovers:

Yesterday, I recieved a nice color postcard in the mail.  What was the 
picture? It was a beautiful properdarkgreen 1971 Land-Rover 88, topless, and 
engineless. But not motorless.  This gorgeous creation of Wilde EVolutions, 
P.O. Box 938, Jerome, AZ 86331 Phone 1-800-FAST-EVs, is an electric-powered 
Land-Rover which retains the stock transmission and transfer case and, of 
course, four-wheel drive.

Wilde Evolutions also sent me a copy of an article, just published, from the 
Winter 1994 issue of _Electric_Car_ magazine.  It may still be on the 
newsstands, although I have looked and couldn't find it in my hodunk town 
(no great surpize, that).  In the article is a photo of the Land-Rover 
off-roading in Arizona (in Coconino National Forest), as well as a shot of 
an electified Mazda RX-7, doing a wheelie.  Really.

How did I hear about Wilde EVolutions?  It's a funny thing.  They appeared 
here (in Ukiah, CA) at a solar/alternative energy fair and I had intended to 
attend but didn't (events intervened, including some Land-Rover stuff).  My 
neighbor was actually involved in the fair but didn't mention the Land-Rover 
to me.  I saw an ad in the Santa Rosa paper for a BMW engine I needed (don't 
we all, nowadays?) and called about it.  In conversation with the guy who 
was selling the engine, Land-Rovers somehow came up (funny) and he told me 
about the electric one at the fair and he remembered their phone number 
(because it's so catchy).  Go figure.

I hope to hear more from these folks and get them on the list (they are on 
the Internet but I don't yet have their email address).  More later...
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:19:28 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: Electric Land-Rovers

Granville,

>Wilde Evolutions also sent me a copy of an article, just published, from the
>Winter 1994 issue of _Electric_Car_ magazine.  It may still be on the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>off-roading in Arizona (in Coconino National Forest), as well as a shot of
>an electified Mazda RX-7, doing a wheelie.  Really.

I read the article.. and have access to the magazine (friend's copy). That
magazine is difficult to find even in major cities (recent point of
discussion on the EV mailing list).

>How did I hear about Wilde EVolutions?  It's a funny thing.  They appeared
>here (in Ukiah, CA) at a solar/alternative energy fair and I had intended to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>about the electric one at the fair and he remembered their phone number
>(because it's so catchy).  Go figure.

The RX-7 is using a 1000 amp DC-brushful motor controllerdesigned/built by
a guy I just worked for building its successor (I did the firmware). The
RX7 controller was recently destroyed in an operator-error situation, and
is sitting in Palo Alto waiting to be rebuilt (if it's the one I think it
is, I fabricated some parts for it the other night :). There is also a
picture of that electric same rover (at least I think it's the same) in
Home Power magazine last month.

In Palo Alto, there is a ground-up electric racing vehicle utilizing 2 of
the 1000 amp controllers. The car (SnoWhite) races autocross and goes well
over 100mph (I'd guess it can hit 130-150 and the 0-60 acceleration is
outrageous.. something like 3 seconds?!?!). I hope to drive this car soon.

I think I put ("Uncle") Roger in touch with the owner of the EV rover (he
is also a friend of the guy I was just doing EV work for). Roger has his
contract info, etc...

>I hope to hear more from these folks and get them on the list (they are on
>the Internet but I don't yet have their email address).  More later...

Sounds good. I just my info from Foers today (I'd sent him a letter). As
anticipated, I like his stuff, and would be interested in collaborating
with you on a (legal) importation scheme (although I wonder what changes
are going to be made to the "new" IBEX). I would still love to see the
article you mentioned as well (I just got a brief letter and the offical
rundown of the "old" IBEX... with a promise of details on the new when
available). Althoug I am most interested in the 100" wheelbase model, the
takeoff/departure angles on the 90 were ridiculously appealing!

later,
-jory

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:06:22 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Imposing Winch & Starter Problems

>I received the Rovers North Newsletter today, and noticed a familiar name 
>from this list had the "most imposing winch". (Dixon Kenner)  Very nice! 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>annoying.  Why am I plagued with this problem??  
>Hal A. Lightwood <halightw@thunder.lakeheadu.ca>       1972 SERIII 88"

Maybe because you were a bad boy?  (Remember the time you told your folks you 
got a flat tire on the way home from the computer club meeting, but in 
reality you were out *drinking* and playing Robotron?  oh wait.  That was me. 
 Never mind.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:06:44 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover owner goes retro

>I don't have a lot of experience with automotive mechanics, so this is 
>going to be a big learning experience for me.  I figured with the old 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>watching out for now?  Any Seattle-area folks willing to provide 
>hands-on advice to a novice owner?

Well, if I can work on it, anyone can.  (well, with the possible exception of 
my mother.)  Anyway, things are simple, and if you've done any working on 
your car, you can handle it.  Good luck, and congratulations!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:06:50 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid

>My sister Rita is supposed to be on her way home from college in Rhode 
>Island (by way of Maine -- it's a horse thing), but we haven't heard from 
>her for a couple of days...  No big deal, but my lunatic mother loves to 
>panic, so I thought I'd put a note on the net.  

Well, it turns out she's goofing off with a friend somewhere in New York.  
Sorry for the trouble!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 23:10:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid

So Roger... this east-west mixed up thing runs in the family, eh?

Roger sez...
 
> A favor to ask...  If anyone see's a college girl in a white subaru wagon 
> with straps holding down the bonnet and a ton of stuff, (hopefully) headed
> east on hwy 80 from Maine to California, Could you sorta make sure she's 
> pointed in the right direction?  

If she's heading EAST on 80 we'll be sure to get her turned around!!

Cheers     ;-)
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 23:10:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971

Wade worries about over-revving and asks...

> does any one know what the red line setting should be at on a 2 1/4 
> petrol engine in a 1971 IIa 88", if it matters I have 30x9.50x15" tires 
> with no overdrive (but I wish I did)

I took a look in the old crusty Haynes manual.. didn't see anything like
"maximum" but it does say "BHP at 4,250 rpm" and "Piston speed at 4,280 rpm".
That sounds pretty fast to me for an engine with connecting rod clearances
you measure with your fingers... :)  Any faster and the pistons will be
screaming "let us out! let us out!".

You got a tach?? What's it sound like at 4250??? 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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