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Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 01:36:54 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: as seen on the net (usenet group: ba.market.vehicles)

>  Get even with your husband, sell me his!
>  All models considered, lowest prices paid, all cash.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>  cs@crl.com
>  510-254-3324

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From: YVES1@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 07:01:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Re: Series LR waving!!!!

Here in the sticks of CT, seeing another Series LR is always a matter of
waving, big grins, all that stuff.... not so with the RR's and Discos
however!!! Waddawegottado to edjicate them fancy folk? Do they not wish to
acknowledge their common heritage with us grungies? 

Note - this is NOT a flame!!! Just a reminder to all those nattily dressed,
tony, ever so good looking self-assured young professionals, that they do
share a common bond with those of us who double clutch those square cut
gears...:) 

Yves Albert (Al {"Al"}) Feder
Yves1@Delphi.com
Amateur Radio tcp/ip: w1eox.ampr.org. (44.88.4.14)
Direct Phacques Line (203) 663-3092
At the Big Red House On Top of the Hill  
Factory Authorized Joseph V. Lucas Despair Station
("Mommy, what's all that metal stuff on the roof?")
Home of Tiny Radio Theatre, KA1RJS, AND
Eric, the Mad Megalomaniac Bull Cavy

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From: YVES1@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 07:16:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Shooting Brake.... Estate Wagon.... Pintles/Gudgeons..... Dave (VE4PN) thank
you for that great little essay on your proper British verbiage as applied to
our aluminium friends... May I suggest possibly the following potential
accessories for our LR's? - Tiller Steering (to take care of that delightful
play in the steering!) -  Running Backstays with Hyfield Levers (not all that
much extra work but trimming the    rigging just right does help going up
those long, long hills with the 2.25 petrol!) -  A woven "Turk's Head"  for
the king spoke on the LR steering wheel to help in    ascertaining one's
proper relative heading whilst navigating twisting and turning    notways and
byways..... -  Reef Points for the military Canvas Top for our summer LR
dress! (We do get some    brisk windy days around here) 

'nuff nonsense! Happy Thanksgiving Weekend, don't forget to reach out and make 
friends with those nice RR/Defender/Disco people.... they're awright, Mate!
Yves 

Yves Albert (Al {"Al"}) Feder
Yves1@Delphi.com
Amateur Radio tcp/ip: w1eox.ampr.org. (44.88.4.14)
Direct Phacques Line (203) 663-3092
At the Big Red House On Top of the Hill  
Factory Authorized Joseph V. Lucas Despair Station
("Mommy, what's all that metal stuff on the roof?")
Home of Tiny Radio Theatre, KA1RJS, AND
Eric, the Mad Megalomaniac Bull Cavy

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:06:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:

Mark...
The Rochester was pretty common in the mid 1960's.. Most US auto parts
stores will carry a rebuild kit.. NAPA is a good place to start.
Note the model number on the tag attached to one of the screws on the carb.
They may ask you for that. Also.. The Rochester was usually used on things
like 6 cyl Chevy's. It was re-jetted for the Land Rover. Sorry.. can't help
you with the correct jet size.
BTW.. I run a Rochester on my SerIII. It does the job..
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
                         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
                         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Subject: camel trophy vehicles, rochester carbs...
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 94 15:34:19 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Well, if it is a camel trophy disco you want, they can be had for something
like the cost of a new one, FOB john craddocks, you figure out how to 
get it 'cross the border.  If you want the 110" version, then what you'll
need to watch the advertisements in the back of LRO Int'l Magazine, and
figure 20 to 30,000 dollars, FOB somewhere in the UK, then you'll need
to figure out how to get it into the states.  After all, if there is a 
Trophy vehicle in the States (post 1985) it is either on a one-year
tourist visa, a manufacturers test plate, or some private owner smuggled it
in, but if you own a '91r, then you've already sorted that part out.

----

As for a rochester carb rebuild kit, you probably need not venture further
your local parts store (for americun car pats that is), you'll need the
model number of the carb  (probably includes the CFM rating), and/or the
make and model of the GM product that it would usually be found on :-)

- B

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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:48:11 -0700
From: "Peter C. Parsons" <pparsons@ppsol.com>
Subject: Confessions(lessons) of a Beginner

I finally got my Disco really off road on the Friday after all the turkeys
get eaten.  (I have had it for over three weeks!).  As a born-again virgin
offroader, I haven't done any real offroad travel in about 15 years.  A friend 
and I took the Disco up into the Rocky Mountains West of Boulder CO, and just 
south of Nederland.  We spent about 5 hours playing on open Forest service
access between 8000 feet, and 10,000 feet.  The area we went, was about 6
miles east of the Continental divide (near Eldora Ski area).  Despite
opening up myself to beginner-flaming, I thought I would share the few things
I learned on Friday:

LESSON:  Don't listen to college football, and go offroading at the same time. 
TIME TO LEARN:  2 minutes
COST:	One radio antenna. 
COMMENT:  First tree to reach for me snagged antenna and broke it, ending
          my listening to football for the day.  Antenna down before going offroad!

LESSON: When you pass a park ranger just after entering the area, pay attention
	to what you are doing.
TIME TO LEARN: 8 minutes
COST:    a bit of a lecture, and some ego. 
COMMENT: See next lesson. 

LESSON: Tread Lightly does NOT equate to Tread anywhere others have been, with
	impunity.
TIME TO LEARN: 10 minutes.
COST:   A bit of a lecture, and some ego. 
COMMENT:  Saw a half frozen mud hole just off the road I was traveling.  It had
	  been played in by a bunch of 4x4s in that past week or two, so I 
	  thought it would be a good place to start.  As soon as I entered it, 
	  Ranger Paul appeared from the woods, and 'pulled me over'.  He checked
	  my license, insurance, and registration, and then proceeded to explain
	  that that mud bog was NOT part of the forest service road/access, and was 
          illegal to travel on.  He lectured on how 'too many damn 4x4 
          commercials show vehicles blasting through mud', and how the
          area is ecologicially sensitive, and is getting trashed.  I asked 
	  him where I could go, treading lightly, and legaly, to test my 
	  new rover.  He accurately described several access routes up the 
          mountain, one south facing (not much snow yet), and one north facing
          (with thin, but total, snow coverage).  In the end he did not
	  ticket me, and was very helpful about the area. 

	   Twice during our 'conversation', he commented on the Disco. 'Nice
	  truck, how do you like it so far' was one comment.  I think he 
	  would have been alot less friendly if I was in a Suzuki.... Also, 
          in 4 hours of Rovering in this area, the ranger was the only other
          vehicle we encountered. 	

LESSON:	  Fold back mirrors are great 'training tools' for how wide your vehicle
          is. 
TIME TO LEARN:  Learned it all day long.
COST:	Mountain brush stripes on mirrors, and body. 
COMMENT:  I learned this lesson less often as the day went by, and I got to know
          how wide the disco is. 

LESSON:   The Rover is better offroad then I am (for now, at least :-) ). 
TIME TO LEARN:  4 hours
COST:	  Made me ever happier with the choice to buy a Rover. 
COMMENT:  The Disco went anywhere, and everywhere I was willing to point it. 
	  Up snowcovered slopes, over steep/sharp erosion cutbacks, ...  I don't think
          I really challenged the vehicle, but it challenged me.  It was great 
          to be able to be completely confident in the back country.  

LESSON:	   Things to bring next time
TIME TO LEARN:  All day. 
COST: 	   None. 
COMMENT:  I took basic tools, shovel, and cold weather clothes.  Next time I will 
          remember to throw in my Sorel snow boots, for hiking etc.  Also need
	  a flash light, (and alot of stuff I have been noting from reading the  
          digest - but I am not at that level yet).  We topped out at a old
	  gold mill at about 10,000 feet, and wandered around looking at it 
          for awhile.  But by then it was almost dark, and was time to head
          back down.  All and all, it was a great outing, and I am looking 
	  forward to lots more in the near future. 

O.K. enough of my beginners review.  I have a few questions:

1)  Anyone able to recommend a good type of tire chains for winter/offroad 
    use?
2)  Do any other Disco owners get wafted with wiper fluid smell every time they 
    turn on the front 'squirters'?

-Peter C. Parsons, 

'SKYROVR'
94' Discovery 5sp, white, loaded, - no antenna

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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:46:03 +1300
From: David L Dean <DEAND@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: Series One Heater

Cold Series 1 Owners,

My LWB Series I didn't have a heater so I used a rear unit from a mid-
eighties model LWB Landcruiser.  It takes up more room than the Rover 
unit, and maybe *wrong* to some subscribers, but it is REALLY WARM and 
the Dual blade fan is REALLY STRONG.  Backgrownd: I had the Rover 
round unit in my last Series I and was constantly cold.

Probably a bit much for the old truck cab, but I can always put a BMC 
heater switch on it to slow it down....

Cheers,

------- (David L. Dean - Department of Economics & Marketing) -------
----------- (Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand) -----------
--- ("sober fearless pursuit of truth, beauty, & righteousness") ----

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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:19:21 GMT-0930
Subject:       Thanks

I hadn't thought of the wheel nuts. Mind you, the places I go spin up 
the nuts with an air drill set low, and do the final torque with a 
wrench.
Maybe I overdid them by hand after the rear right (the worst one) 
exploded and bent the rim out on my last bush excursion? (The 
adrenalin flows for a while after a tyre goes bang at 80-90 
kilometres per hour, with a full laden trailer behind, on a dirt 
road!)
That may be it. I don't ride the brake, its a 5 speed not auto.
I just hope its still machinable!
regards,
Jurgen Klus    618 201 2413

Land Rover....what else?.....BMW?

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Odd Chassis Numbers??
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:37:55 +1030 (CST)

Ok Guru types, I've recently been asked about an odd chassis number which
makes no sense to me (no great suprise).

A person at Dimboola (whoop whoop land Oz) has a series IIa 109" with factory
ID plate and chassis number matching and Suffix B ???  I thought B suffix was
reserved for 88" wagons.    Any Ideas??????

When I was asked about this I checked my records.  My old IIa was a 109 6cyl
2 dr Chassis  34700377A.  Ok The 347..    Makes sense but what of the A
suffix????   Isnt it supposed to be a D suffix on the sixes??

Are these just simple cases of incorrect numbering??   My stage one chassis
number has one clear over stamping.   Or is there a method to the system
unknown to me??

I've felt a bit like "piggie in the middle" during these Series mob V's
Rangie/Defender/Disco mob flame wars of late.

The series guys wont have me 'cause I gotta V8 and constant 4x4 and Other mob
wont have me cause I got leaf springs and drum brakes.

Lighten up dudes, the Land-Rovers know who the true believers are, and hey if
lots of yuppies buy Disco's and Defenders and never take them off-road there
will be lots of good second hand Landies in a few years time when it comes to
upgrade.  (and lots of competition for them from use leaf sprungers with
bruised kidneys and skinny wallets :-)

Better get back to work
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
	'82 Land-Rover SIII stage I wagon

            

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Smokey no more ?
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:28:42 EDT

Mike Rooth wrote a lot of drivel about the 2.25 diesel, and its timing.
Beware, as I found out, moving the distributor pump just a tiny by, and 
make a large difference on the timing, I think, for every degree you turn 
the distributor pump, the timing is moved 2 degrees, so if you turn it an 
inch, then that will put you timing way out to buggery!  As for just 
moving it to the timing mark, you should have noticed that the timing 
mark is adjustable!  So you are probably better off adjusting your timing 
properly, it is not hard, its just that everything is awkward to get to!
But after what you have said, I might adjust my timing a bit, as my 
diesel blows soooo much smoke, I am starting to think it was an army one, 
and it still has the smoke screen device on it!  Also what makes me think 
that my timing is out is that on the weekend I saw friend with a d 2.25 diesel 
tray, and his started easier, and blew less smoke, and his motor is just about 
stuffed!!!!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: 1998 and the Land Rover
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:46:01 EDT

Howdy doody all!
                Just writing to tell all of you that I have not told, or 
do not know, that the Land Rover Owners Club of Victoria is planning a 
bash or what ever you want to call it, for the Land Rover in 1998.  The 
event will be held around easter in the Kiewa valley in Northern 
Victoria, and if people know about the one the club held for the 40th 
anniversary in 1988, then they will be making arrangements before while 
they are reading this!  as in 1988, we managed to make a whole town, just 
a bussle of Land Rovers, you could not find a place that did not have a 
Land Rover!  So I just thought that I would tell you lot, and give you a 
little notice about it.

P.S. I am not planning the thing, just telling you what I know from 
reading the club magazine!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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From: RRover2486@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:01:18 -0500
Subject: Camel Trophy vs. Gucci Trophy

While reading a snappy retort from a fellow Rover buddy with regard to Jan's
faux persuit of the legendary Camel Trophy, I couldn't help but smile at his
suggestion that she might want to compete for the most fashionably equipped
Rover.  His most appealing suggestion of the Gucci Trophy lingers as an
alternative, however,  I would ask that you consider Jan's credentials more
seriously.  I can vouch for Jan being over the age of 21, although she
wasn't, 24 years ago when we wed.  She is a U. S. citizen who does posses a
valid drivers license, although a driving test is not required for renewal.
 Even though she gets two children to elementary school each morning, through
university traffic at breakneck speed, she doesn't hold a professional race
or rally license, unless you count the highly coveted V.I.P. University
Parking Pass as some form of proof of professional skill in maneuvering
through the intense and highly competitive field of co-ed parking.  Jan has
extensive racing experience, in both working mom and leisure (never on time)
class.  Jan's travel experience includes spanning the globe in her efforts to
expand her shopping envelope beyond the limitations of the major cities of
North American with nothing but simple navagational tools including the
cellular telephone, a few charge cards and a highly developed skill for
recognizing the fell of an exclusive shopping area.  When it comes to sports,
I must say that Jan has singlehandedly managed the activities of her children
to include; ballet, soccer, gymnastics, tennis and swimming. After all of
this, a 6 minute mile can easily be arranged.  Not to be overlooked are the
frequent off roads experiences encountered when the parking lot near the
tennis courts or pool are full at the country club; lets face it someone has
to take some risks.  Beyond this I need only mention Jan's exceptional
ability to handle the proper equipment for The Range Rover Challenge, these
include Wathne outerwear, Chanel backpack and of course black watch plaid
woolen accessories for the Rover from Brooks Brothers.  I don't know, you
tell me, is she up to the challenge or what?

Signed,
J. Howard Fisk
"the guy who signs the checks"
Springfield, Missouri, USA

P. S.  I *am* serious about a Camel Trophy vehicle!!!

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:42:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Confessions(lessons) of a Beginner

Peter...
Glad to see you had some fun with your Disco..Doesn't sound like you ran
into anything that the rest of us haven't done at one time or another. :) 
Can't help you with chains.. I usually run mud/snow tires with big lugs..
noisy as hell on the road but claw thier way through the snow OK. 
The only suggestion I can offer is invest in a Hi-Lift jack. You can
probably find one at a farm supply in your area (Central Tractor or
something similar). Handy device to have.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
                         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
                         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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