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Date: 17 Nov 94 05:12:49 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills

> "breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel??

I've got some information way in the back of my head (where my brain is
located) - I hope it's correct - that the term "breakfast grill" was
coined Down Under where the military in the old days used the S.I and
S.IIA grills ...  well, to *grill*. Remember, they're still made of
thick metall mesh as opposed to the plastic junk you find from S.III
onwards. On a fresh Outback morning, the troopers would just take the
grill of their Landy, set it on four rocks, make a fire under it, set
their billabong and pan on it and - make their breakfast.
...now you'll want to know what a billabong is. Craig, you tell'em.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:43:02 +0000
Subject: LRO Arrived

For those who are following this sort of thing:

LRO arrived yesterday (16/11/94) in Scotland.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
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From: ShaunC8958@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:47:59 -0500
Subject: Range Rover

I am the happy owner of an 88 red RR (112K mi) with a few questions for
the list about niggling problems:
1. Dashboard warning lights--The red oil pressure and orange power steering
indicators flicker (not flash) intermittently, occasionally stay on for a few
seconds, etc. Oil and steering fluid appear fine. Is this model known for
electrical bugs and what might the fix be?
2. Droopy headliner--The cloth roof liner at both rear corners of the vehicle
has separated from the backing and begun to sag. I assume there is a leak but
haven't found the source. Where's the water coming from and how does one
repair the sags?
3. Manuals--Does anyone have, or have a source, for the manuals for this
vehicle? New ones via the dealer or Atlantic British are awfully pricy...
Thanks all. Good list, esp. the technical and rally stuff.
--Shaun Carrigan, Nashville, TN

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:00:57 GMT

> > Ok... The Bugeye question is clear enough..  but exactly why the term
> > "breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel??
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> Stefan
> <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
Makes you wonder what they did when they rode horses.....
Mike Rooth

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:06:06 +0000
Subject: Re: LRO Arrived

> Bloody sickening........Is it any good? Have they put an
> auto box (Yeeeugh) in that poor old S111? Does anybody
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Cheers 
> Mike Rooth
No, but the red 90 has great big holes chopped in it's side and the 88 
gets a new owner...

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
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I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:17:30 -0500
From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Re: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills

>On a fresh Outback morning, the troopers would just take the
>grill of their Landy, set it on four rocks, make a fire under it, set
>their billabong and pan on it and - make their breakfast.
>...now you'll want to know what a billabong is. Craig, you tell'em.

A Billabong is a stagnant backwater which is only full during the rainy
season.  (Or a surfboard.)  Biltong is strips of sun-dried meat.  Is this
what you mean, or does Billabong have another slang meaning known only to
folks down under?

Regards.

JAB

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:39:17 EST
From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

A number of owners and prespective owners asked what are the differences 
among the NADA 6 cylinder and the European six cylinder engines?
Rather than respond to each request for information, I will adress the group.
Hope this is not considered chatter!  The Land Rover six cylinder engines are ba(overran the line) are basically a series I "F" head design with two 
additional cylinders.  The basic "F" head has the exhaust valves in the 
angled block with the intake valves made into the wedge shaped head.
The carb is on the right side of the engine forming a "cross flow" to the
exhaust on the left side of the block.  The "F" head desigh was used for
years and is famous for very smooth running and poor gas mileage when
running out of tune.  The european six has just under 100 BHP, while the 
NADA version has over 125 BHP.  Westlake Engineering originally designed
a high performance head for the 3.0 liter engine used in Rover cars.
it was the three liter head design that became the basis for the NADA
six cylinder, a very different engine from the European six cyl.  The NADA
(North American Dollar Area) six cylinder reached its peak amount of torque
at higher RPMs when compared to other Rover engines, Used a SU carb (close
to the Jag XKE) and could not be fitted to RH drive vehicles beause of the
removable manifold.  The Euro six has the intake manifold integral with 
the head.  The are other major differences: oil pan, compression ratios,
and so on.  The most suited six cyl was only installed on special vehicles:
the 3.0 liter.  I have installed these engines in six cylinder 109s with
excellent performance.  You can drive away in 4th gear with no difficulty.
The expected mileage in U.S. gallons of the NADA 15 to 20 MPG, Euro 
slightly less, 3.0 six 10 to 16.  Oil coolers are recommended with the six.
The easy difference from the Euro  and Westlake engines (includes NADA) is the 
inlet manifold, carb, and air cleaner.  The Euro uses the oil bath, while the
Westlake uses this hudge muffler looking thing that holds a paper element
above the valve cover.  Have over a douzen of the things.
R&D.

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: What is a bugeye?
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:48:07 -0500 (EST)

> Ok... The Bugeye question is clear enough..  but exactly why the term
> "breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel??

	The breakfast is the whole steel panel that the radiator
	bolts to.  Why the term?  Not a clue, but that's what a
	number of people seem to call it...  :-)

	Rgds,

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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:30:46 EST
From: Brian Willoughby <BAWILL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Bugeyes

I have sometimes heard my Series II referred to as a "Bugeye" as well.  It
seems that since the headlamps stand "proud" of the grille panel (breakfast?)
on Series IIs, they should be named "Bugeyes," too.  If you will note, the
lamps on IIAs are recessed into the grille panel and have no chromed surrounds
like the IIs' type of lamp.  This lamp (apparently a standard Lucas fixture as
it was used on countless British cars) was again used on the transistional IIAs
with wing-mounted lamps before they became recessed like before.  As someone
noted a few days ago, this lamp unit was used on Series Is except for the
earliest of the range with the full wire mesh grille covering everything.  If
you have a copy of James Taylor's "The Land-Rover 1948-1988:  A Collector's
Guide" you will see a transistional IIA posing alongside one with the older

style grill-mounted lamps.  Also, in the "Land-Rover Series II and IIA 1958-
1971" volume of the Brooklands Book series by R. M. Clarke, there is a reprint
of an article entitled "88 Inches of Get There" that reviews one of the IIAs
(a '69, I believe) in question.  Personally, I feel that this "Bugeye" thing
is rather arbitrary; if you like it, you use it, if you don't you don't.  It
seems that some people call everything with portuding headlamps a "Bugeye."
Others contend that a "Bugeye" can only be a certain L-R variation,
specifically, '69 IIAs.  If you must have a Bugeye, go out and buy an Austin
Healey Sprite Mark I.  Though some people call them "Frogeyes"...
Brian Willoughby
bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:20:49 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: 109/110 dormobile top-swap

Robin, you said:

>>From what I can make out, it should be possible to make a 110 dormobile 
>if you had all the bits from a 109, plus a series 3 windscreen.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>commanders vehcile conversions to 109/s would also be possible.
>Any comments?

If I were wanting t convert a 110 to a Dormobile, I would look really hard 
at moving the Dormobile conversion bits to the 110 roof so as to keep the 
110's taller windscreen.  I am tall and hate the older-type windscreens as I 
have to bend over a lot to see out.  Maybe for a shorter person the 
series-type windscreens are OK but not for me.  One conversion I have long 
considered for one of my Series IIIs is to modify the roof to accept the 110 
windscreen and have wondered why no company in England has not developed 
such a conversion.

It seems to me that it would be fairly easy to cut out the roof of a 110 to 
accept the Dormobile's fibreglass flange which mates to the lift-up section. 
 On the 109s the only other modification made was the shortening of the 
stiffening ribs to fit only on the remaining section of the slope of the 
roof.  If you have a newer 110 with the ribless roof, this problem would not 
exist.  If you have an older 110 with a ribbed roof, you could transfer the 
shortened ribs from the Dormobile top.

Just a thought...

Regards, Granville
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:21:46 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: tires and 6-cyl. engines

John,

About the 6-cylinder Dormobile not being a NADA; count yourself lucky.  
Although I understand that the NADA engine had a little more power, there 
were very few made and parts are problematic.  For more power it would be 
better to substitute the 3-liter engine from a Rover sedan, as parts are 
more readily available than for a NADA 2.6-liter engine and probably even 
more so (in England at least) than for a 2.6-liter non-NADA engine.

However, if I had such a Land-Rover I would, with all possible dispatch, 
replace the LR six with a Scotty-conversion Chevy six, either a 250 
(4.2-liter) or 292 (4.8-liter).  With all the weight of a Dormobile 
conversion and the load of gear you are likely to haul, it seems to me that 
the extra power is much needed. 

On tyres: I would stick with 7.50x16 size tyres.  Firestone Steeltex Radial 
ATX 23-degree mud tires are available in this size if you want gnarly, also 
BFG's Trac-edge (popular in England) for more of a snow tread, and, I think, 
Yokahama Super Diggers for more of an all-terrain design similar to (but, I 
think, a little more aggressive than) the Wranglers you mentioned.  
Interesting that you were happy with the Wranglers, as I have just worn out 
a set on my Dodge Dakota 4x4 pickup (they were original on it, like your 
Jeep) and have not been happy with them.  They seem prone to hydroplaning on 
very wet roads, are worse than useless in mud, and have not worn particuarly 
well (about 33,000 miles).  I am now trying to figure what I will replace 
them with.  Other brands are probably also available in 7.50x16 but those I 
mentioned are just the ones I have seen advertised.  I definitely favor 
radials and the ride and handling are so much better and the traction, too.  
As for vulnerability of sidewalls, most of the off-road types are pretty 
well reinforced nowadays and anyway it's worth the risk, even if you have to 
carry two spares (looks very cool and official, anyway, to sport two 
spares).  Of course the standard expedition tyre for a Land-Rover is the 
Michelin XZY (12-ply rating, *very* tough but it has a very unaggressive 
tread) or the Michelin XCL (directional mud-grip, looks like a directional 
motorcycle knobby) as used on the Camel Trophy vehicles.  Domingos Dias who 
has the Camel Trophy 110 just bought a new set of six XCLs from England (not 
available in U.S. anymore) at a cost of about $200 each (ouch!) and says 
they are rough-riding and very noisy.  But I have read that they wear pretty 
well and handle pretty well on the highway and, boy, do they look cool!

I have seen a number of 109 owners go to 235/85x16s on the stock wheels but 
these wheels are (normally) only 5.5" wide and IMHO are too narrow for that 
size tyre.  If you want to go to that tyre size, you should go to the wider 
(6.5") wheels used on 1-ton 109s, 127/130s, and on U.S.-spec Defender 110s.  
But unless you are luck enough to already have these (possible but not 
likely) they are very expensive to buy.  The steel wheels used on 
Discoveries (but not in the U.S.) are 7" wide and nice looking and can be 
bought reasonably from England (I think) but what I don't know is whether or 
not they would really be strong enough for a 109, especially a Dormobile.  
235/85s do appeal in that they are available in just about any style of tyre 
you could want.

Hope this helps.  Have fun!  Granville

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:21:06 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Bugeyes for breakfast

Fellow netters with inquiring minds wish to know all about bugeyes and 
breakfasts...

Michael Loiodice (how do you pronounce that?) and others before him ask:
[snip]
>Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills.. Whatzis all about??  
[snip]
>Ok... The Bugeye question is clear enough..  but exactly why the term
>"breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel??
[snip]

Well, the early books called the whole panel or perhaps the whole recessed 
area between the wings the "Radiator Breakfast" and I have always remembered 
that as one more charming Britishism.  When I had a Jag XK-150 the manual 
had all sorts of other neat ones, such as "rear wing valance" for what we 
colonials call a fender skirt and "wheel knave plate" for what we call a hub 
cap.  It's all part of the mystique of having old British vehicles and I 
love it.

My main reason for this posting is to share an arcane bit of knowledge that 
I stumbled across recently:  About 10 years ago, I parted out a '68 bugeye 
88" Land-Rover.  I saved the "breakfast" and the grille for whatever future 
use I might have for it.  About three years ago I acquired a 1974 Series III 
88" which had a damaged grille (love that plastic).  I had figured that I 
would eventually replace the grille with the one from the '68.  I did not 
immediately do so because it was obvious that it would also be necessary to 
transfer over the two rivetted-on clips at the bottom of the grille opening 
from the bugeye as well.  Recently I acquired another Series III, a '73, 
which had had a tree limb poke through the grille and destroy it (along with 
the radiator).  The former owner's replacement solution was a section of 
heavy expanded metal (lovely).  

So now I got serious about using the nice wire grille from the bugeye.  
WELL!  I got a big surprise:  It doesn't fit!  I compared the wire grille 
and breakfast panel from the bugeye with those on my 1970 Series IIa and 
found them to be totally different.  The wire grille on the '70 has a fat 
"cross" shape, with a dropped, as well as raised, middle section; the 
openings in the breakfast panel match, with the side ones shorter both top 
and bottom than the middle one and the panel seems to be the same as the 
SIII except for the screw holes of the SIII to accomodate attachment of the 
plastic grille.  But the panel from the bugeye has openings which are even 
across the bottom and the grille is straight across the bottom, giving it a 
fat inverted "tee" shape.  Far out, huh?

Another observation:  Not all Series IIIs had plastic grilles.  Gerry 
Mugele, who recently joined the Rover-Net, has a 1972 Series III (probably 
the nicest one I have ever seen) and his has a wire grille.  He bought it 
from the original owner, a close friend, and so knows that the grille is 
original.  Interesting, huh?  I always love looking over any old Land-Rover 
because there is always something different about it, something new to 
learn.  It's a good part of what gives the lovable beasts such personality, 
eh wot?
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: Drain plug for R380 5-spd
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:23:19 -0800 (PST)

Stephen,

Since nobody has come up with anything better, let me offer the 
following.  My father lives in deepest, darkest, saltiest southwestern 
Connecticut, an area well known for the rusting of cars.  As a result he 
has had his cars (at least the few he has bought new) subjected to the 
Ziebart treatment.  This is no mere undercoating of course, but a full 
blown injection process for frame and body alike.  

The two I am aware of were a 1968 Rambler American Station Wagon and a 
1986 Subaru Wagon.  The Rambler outlasted even my father's willingness to 
fuss with it, and he sold it after only 20 years.  I think that 6 of 
those years were spent in storage while he was working in Europe, so the 
exposure was reduced, but funny things can happen to stored cars and 
their bodies.  The Subaru is alive and well, in daily use summer and 
winter with little sign of the dreaded rust cancer.  He has to keep an 
eye on external rust spots, of course, but they are easily dealt with 
using basic naval chipping and painting techniques.  One other thing:  it 
can add significant additional weight to the vehicle.

Walter Swain
Davis, CA

> I've looked and looked but can't seem to find it. Frankly it's not there.
> However, there is a slot open at the bottom of the bellhousing. Am I blind
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> 'Nuff said.
> Stephen O'Hearn
> '94 Defender 90

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: Re: tires and 6-cyl. engines
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 11:56:00 PST

Granville writes:
>... or the Michelin XCL (directional mud-grip, looks like a directional
>motorcycle knobby) as used on the Camel Trophy vehicles.  Domingos Dias who 

>has the Camel Trophy 110 just bought a new set of six XCLs from England 
(not
>available in U.S. anymore) at a cost of about $200 each (ouch!) and says
>they are rough-riding and very noisy.  But I have read that they wear 
pretty
>well and handle pretty well on the highway and, boy, do they look cool!

I looked into finding XCL's recently at the local Les Schwab dealer.  After 
making several phone calls, they said they're available for around $150/ea, 
and are sitting in a Michelin warehouse in Nevada.  They are not listed as 
available in any sales literature, but are still available if you ask. 
 While this isn't 'cheap', it's a bit better than trying to ship them from 
England...

Rosty
john@data-io.com

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Date: 17 Nov 94 16:42:53 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: ITS ON THE ROAD AT LAST

>           I finally got my Series 1 on the road, ...(...snip...)

Congratulations!

>It was noisy, some commented on the fact that it sounded like a tractor.
>It blew smoke.
>It was slow.

#1 and #3 are normal, and it will stay that way.

>that it stops blowing smoke, once the motor starts to settle in.  Any one 
>with experience with 2.25 diesels know about how many miles you have to 
>clock up before the motor is settled in?

The smoking should cease (more or less) after you put some miles (~2000)
on it and a nice compact carbon cake has developed in your cylinders.
You might also want to check the air intake (diesels *love* lots of fresh 
air). And the one thing the old Rover diesel hates is being revved up,
even after having been broken in.

>One thing worried me though, while I was driving up a hill, it all of a 
>sudden lost power, then stalled, for no reason.  I had the ignition 

Maybe there was still an air bubble trapped somewhere in the fuel system.
Did you 'flood' the fuel filter before installing it?? I wouldn't worry 
about it unless the problem reoccurs.

>I am also curious as to what sort of milage other people get out of 2.25 
>diesel Landies, as the only other person with one that I know gets about 
>30MPG no matter what he does, towing a caravan, off roading, but he does 
>have an over drive.

30 mpg is *very* good, almost too good (to be true). In any case, it would
be attributable to the overdrive. Get one! In one of the early LRW issues
which featured the installation of an OD, the Fairey (now Superwinch)
overdrive was dubbed "Gods gift to the Land Rover driver" - and that's
just what it is.

>Also how do these motor perform up the bush, as this is the main reason 
>that I put this motor in, as I heard that they were fairly good up the bush.

They're ok in the bush, *provided*
- you have sufficient cooling (install the eight-blade 'tropics' fan or
  an additional electric fan - manual switch will do - for extreme thermal
  conditions);
- air filter is checked and cleaned _daily_ under extremely dusty conditions;
- the fuel filter is clear (always carry 2-3 spare ones with you).
If these three things are tended to, you'll never have problems.

Enjoy!

Stefan
<Stefan R. jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:45:35 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: tires and 6-cyl. engines

What size are these XCL's? Do they fit Range Rovers?

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: Re: tires and 6-cyl. engines
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 15:33:00 PST

>What size are these XCL's? Do they fit Range Rovers?
>John Brabyn
>89RR
none

They are 7.50x16's, too big for RR's.  I did not ask about other sizes, but 
it's worth asking.  The guys at the Les Schwab store were more than happy to 
make many phone calls to prove they could find what I wanted.

I have XCL's on my 90, with about 50% tread.  They are *very* noisy on the 
freeway, but then again, so is the diesel...

Rosty
john@data-io.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:00:17 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Series I Fuel Tank For Sale (f

Jim-  You have lots of parts available right in your neck of the woods.  
Give Malcolm Engleman at Onoway a call.  Hi number is 967-5531.  Tell him 
Dave from Selkirk said Hi.  He has lots of used and new parts and I am 
sure he can get you back in shape for little outlay.  He has some old 
units with good undercarriages etc. in his field at the farm.  

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: kids story book
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:20:15 -0700 (MST)

Robin asks about:

< "Farmer Barnes and the Snow Picnic", it recounts a tale of 
< winter woe in 109 truck cab in merry ole england, endured by the Barnes 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
< IF ANYONE HAS ACCESS TO A SALEABLE COPY i'M YOUR BUYER!!!
< Does anyone know if this book is still available?

Well, I suppose I'm the token librarian type around here (dirty job,
but cleaner than a floosy bimbo in the back of an 88)...

I'm afraid the book is out of print.  But where there's a will...
Call around some local used bookstores and ask about their tracking
service.  There's bound to be at least one that will promise to
deliver anything.  But be prepared perhaps twice what the book was
worth new (depending on condition, search fee, etc.)

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu (Benjamin Allan Smith)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:20:16 -0800
Subject: Land Rover 24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event

I saw this in rec.sport.ski.crosscountry or something similar.  Is
this a Land Rover sponsered event?  Anyone got any info on it?
Todd Mills?

Benjamin Smith
SAIC/China Lake NAWC

----forwarded message--------

The RPG is pleasedd to announce its exclusive coverage of the Land Rover
24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event. The land Rover 24 hours of Aspen
can be found at http://www.infosphere.com/aspen/sports/24 hours/index.html

This site will be turned on and maintained daily up to the event which begins
Monday, November the 28th at 12:00 noon until 12:00 noon the following day.

Upcoming events are November the 19th all you need to know about the race
and racers. The following wek will be a buildup of the event in which we
covwe training and local ski conditions of Aspen , Colorado.

during the event in which 10 teams from around the world race each other
against the clock and each other to overcome fatigue and the hope of
setting a world record for the most vertical feet/meters skied in 24 hours
while rasing money for local non profits.

This a internet www first so stay tuned over the next few days to get a
glisme of the racers in action as they prepare for the upcoming race on
the 28th.

The race coverage will begin at 12:00pm on Monday the 28th and last until
the 28th the following day. Updates will be every four hours are sooner if
I can get the timing worked out.

check this out

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:51:05 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: tires and 6 cyl engines

John "I'll have a rover if it kills me" Hess wrote...
>Howdy gang,
>        I don't want to waste the electrons but would like to solicit input
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>sidewall that then collapsed on the freeway but ....
>Without starting a tire war, could I get opinions on tires for a 109? 

Well, my own non-scientific thoughts on the matter, based on what others 
liked/recommended (both Roverfolk & tirefolk) are:

Tubed:  Dunlop Triple Trac's  --  Good off road, not too noisy on the road.

Radial: Dunlop Radial Rovers  --  Same as above, quieter, smoother, made a 
noticable difference from the "I'm an amuricun, dammit" tires that I used to 
have on the 109".  Also, cool name.  Both are not cheap and not easy to find.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:51:10 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted: restorable LandRover IIA

>> I'm afraid you most likely won't find a 68 or 69 109" in the states.  '67
> was 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>What is your favorite model?
>Jason

Well shut my mouth.  I opened up the new issue of the Aluminum Workhorse 
(after checking out Wishful Thinking first, of course) and the first vehicle 
for sale is a '68 Dormobile.  All the trimmings, good (I assume) condition, 
$15,000.  In Maine.

Also in the AW is a '54 sI 107".  "Currently not running.  2 liter petrol 
engine needs to be rebuilt.  Everything else in good shape.  Have truck cab, 
3/4 canvas, parts catalogue & workshop manual.  Great project vehicle for the 
enthusiast.  Asking $3,000.  Jay, 510-339-3825 (CA)"  I think this one was at 
the Palto Alo british car meet recently.  I didn't get a chance to look at it 
really, but I think some of the others did.

There are some others listed, but they're all in good shape, ready to go with 
prices to match.  

I have a '59 109" and a '72 88".  I like the sII 109" 2door best.  Mainly 
because it is about as versatile as you can get.  I can sweep out the junk 
and have it converted into a home away from home in about 15 minutes.  I'm 
currently working on a desk to turn it into the ultimate mobile office.  

I like 88's too, though.  I especially like 'em with a pick up cab.  (My 
girlfriend & brother won't let me convert mine.)  All depends on what you're 
gonna do with 'em.  I'll take a sII over a sIII any day. 

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:41:20 -0700 (MST)
From: James Spyker <jspyker@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: Road Greetings

It is well known that Porsche owners greet eachother on the road with a 
two finger wave, VW owners a big wave and peace sign, but here in Alberta 
we Land Rover Owners  hold up our tool kits in the window.

JSpyker 6? SIIA

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:47:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills

Mike wonders.. Stefan comments.. Jeff clarifies..
> >On a fresh Outback morning, the troopers would just take the
> >grill of their Landy, set it on four rocks, make a fire under it, set
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> what you mean, or does Billabong have another slang meaning known only to
> folks down under?
Probably billabong is right... I hear those Aussies will eat anything! :)

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
                         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
                         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:47:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rover 24 Hours of Aspen ski end

Ben wonders...

> Subj:   Land Rover 24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event

> I saw this in rec.sport.ski.crosscountry or something similar.  Is
> this a Land Rover sponsered event?  Anyone got any info on it?
---snip---
> The RPG is pleasedd to announce its exclusive coverage of the Land Rover
> 24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event. The land Rover 24 hours of Aspen
> can be found at http://www.infosphere.com/aspen/sports/24 hours/index.html
none
Caught some ski event on the TV last winter that was sponsered by Land Rover.
Don't remember where or what - but I do remember the Land Rover banners.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
                         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
                         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Subject: new stamp
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:23:30 -0500

What a beut!!

My friendly stamp man in Montreal just sent me down four gorgeous land 
Rover stamps.

They are Barbados $2 from I dont know when. the scott number i beleive is 
664. OOPS that was three of not four, just read the package.

The stamps depict one of the series 2 review vehciles used by the British 
Monarchy et al . The Queen mum is riding in the back.

The stamp comes in alarger surround which carries on the picture save the 
perforation around the stamp. It was according to the  surround "The life 
and times of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother".

The image is more of a photo quality than any stamp that I have ever seen 
before.

The oops refered to the quantiity not the scott number, re reading it it 
sounds a bit confusing, sorry about that.

No these ones are not for sale, I am deveolping a number of sets for 
friends of mine, infact I just did up a set in a frame with a yellow 
background with the stamps surrounded by a green matt with an oval hole 
in it. Looks very land Roverish! he was tickled pink.

TTFN

Robin.

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:58:56 +200
Subject: IT MAKES A REGULAR THUMPING SOUND....

Hello All,

RE: Lots of directions, some advice, and a few kind words
required.

I decided to clean JOY'S air filter this afternoon (the masters
was getting a little boring), which was fine but when it came to
start her up again all i got was a regular thumping sound from
deep within her engine (a ford V6 3L)!!

Q1 - what could i have done that caused this?

After trying to fix it (checking if the fan was hitting anything,
taking off the air filter cover, taking out the spark plugs and
peering at them) and finding nothing wrong i called the local AA,
who within 2 seconds said it was "TAPPETS".

Q2 - Is that possible?  From running perfectly to having the
tappets out - i thought that it took ages (a fair while at least)
to happen, during which time you sort of know it is happening.

Q3 - Now - if it is the tappets (and i will be setting them
myself) i believe that one needs to take off all sorts of things,
know how the engine fires (the order) and the gap it needs to set
at.  I need some considerable advice here - as in how to proceed
and do it (having never got into an engine as yet......).

Q4 - While doing the dirty deed, is there anything else i should
check, correct, look at, observe, clean?  It sort of makes sense
to go the whole hog (as JOY has never had it done before) while
it is all in pieces. 

ANY HELP WILL BE MOST APPRECIATED!!

(ESPECIALLY STORIES OF HOW IT HAPPENED TO YOU IN A SAND STORM
WITH ONLY A SWISS ARMY KNIFE AS A TOOL ON YOUR FIRST DATE WITH
YOUR NEW SPADE (GIRL FRIEND) - AND HOW YOU FIXED IT IN TIME FOR
THE LATE SHOW.

Thanx

Barry Dudley
DUDLEY@MICR.UNP.AC.ZA

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