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Subject: Re: Cheapo 90 chassis 
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 01:51:33 -0500

Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> writes:

> Is that because nobody knows, or is it because my supposition is correct,
> That the new Land Rover frames are no more rust prone than the older Series
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> crowd can shed some definative factual light on the subject. Also the suspens
> question remains unanswered....dig boys dig, enquiring minds want to know.

        You have presented an opposing viewpoint to the supposition that
        recent Land Rover frames might be lacking.  Mike has given his
        opinion, I have relayed mine from discussions with others in
        the LR business in the UK.  (Granted our position is based on late
        III's and early 90's when compared to earlier III's and beyond)
        Granted we are dealing in "supposition" but does the assertions
        from Mike, I etc. not possibly out weight your "Is that because
        nobody knows, or is it because my supposition correct..."?  What
        might be your answer to Mike's observation that there has been a
        run on articles in the UK on replacing parts of a 90 frame (the 90
        isn't *that* old, hence the assertations to the possible lack of
        longevity), or generally evidence to the contrary of our
        observations?  Our enquiring minds are interested too...

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: 15 Nov 94 08:46:35 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Last Gasp was awesome

Folks:

I returned Sunday from the Last Gasp rally in West Virginia. 

It was the best Land Rover event I have ever been to.  Weather was perfect with
70 degree days, and about 24 vehicles showed up.

The Blue-Ridge Land Rover Club really knows how to put on an event!

We arrived Friday night and I changed the wheels on the Sgt. Major from a set of
street Michelins to a set of British Firestone unidirectional agricultural
tires.  Then, we went off to the Parkersberg Distributing company, which is the
BRLRC headquarters.  What do they distribute, you may ask?  BEER!  Inside were
cases of beer as far as the eye could see, in one direction and Land Rovers as
far as you could see in the other direction.   Yes, I have had dreams like that.

The club had a tapped keg of Bass and a bunch of work bays open, so I brought in
the Sgt. Maj and sorted out the carb problem.  Also, Cheryl, one of the officers
in the club had her 90 inside being fitted out with a hardtop brought in from
the UK.  They had to remove, modify and reinstall the rollcage, but the
installation was gorgeous!  

The next morning, we headed out into the W. Va mountains along the Ohio River.
The trails were very, very challenging, especially for the older '88s and the
110 Defenders.  Wet Clay, covered in wet leaves with basketball-sized rocks all
around was the order of the day.  That and 2 foot deep washouts and sheer drops
on one-side or the other.

The first hill took its first casualty.  An 88 broke its frame above the front,
right spring.  Frame broke in half except for the top metal.  U-shaped crack 3/4
the way around.  We jacked the vehicle up, put blocks between the frame and
spring and carried on.

Next section nearly took out a brand-new Range Rover which started into one of
the 2-foot deep washouts and slid toward a boulder.  We managed to stop the
sliding, lift the Range Rover up and build about 2 feet of road under it so it
could drive out. I believe the lady driving it had very little off-road driving
experience, but she really got the hang of it fast -- and, she really enjoyed
it... nice to see a Range Rover used for its' intended purpose.

We did a couple more short sections, forded a small stream and stopped in a
clearing for lunch... Little did we know what was set for the afternoon.

After a great lunch (Again, provided by BRLRC) we headed up a nasty, nasty hill.
The 110's barely made it and a Continental Divide Land Rover slid backwards
several times.  The Sgt. Maj went up it with no trouble at all -- didn;t even
spin a wheel.   But the next section, 100 yards ahead, was where I met my match.
This section was very steep, more or less dry, but with thousands of loose,
softball-sized rocks covering it.  A 101 Fwd. Control marely made it.  Several
Range Rovers barely made it  .I was to be the fourth vehicle up. 

Sgt Major Broke the Right Rear Axle.  Fortunately, we had an extra set, some
hylomar and 2 qts of 90-wt with us... so an hour and a half-later, we had a new
axle in place and zipped up the hill, which now had a well-defined set of tracks
and many of the rocks moved out of the way by other vehicles.

By this time, it was getting late and we headed off the mountain to go visit a
mud bog.  We got there, and the place was packed with, well, shall we say,
extras from Deliverance?  (We're really talking a very small gene pool here).
Several Land Rovers take a pass at the mud pit.  Only a Defender 90 with Gumbo
Mudders made it.  And the 101, which stopped half-way through the pit, just for
effect, and the motored out from a dead stop.  Those vehicles are unstoppable!

Finally, we went back to the clubhouse/beer heaven for a dinner catered by onw
of the club members.  They had Ribs, veggie casserole and too many other
incredible eats to remember.

Then, I headed back to the work area to sort out the day's carnage on the Sgt.
Major.  I straightened out some bodywork and the front bumper (did I mention
hitting the tree?) and replaced the generator which had died on the way down the
mountain (Bearing let go and filled the generator with copper dust, causing a
short) with a generator off a junked Land Rover out back.  I rebuilt the
generator entirely and it worked better than the one I took out.

In the end, the Sgt. Major came home in better shape than when we left...  It
had a few extra scratches, and I have a new appreciation for what it can do.

Oh, and I have an undying lust for a yellow Defender 90.  I thought the 88's
were capable off-road... but the 90's are unstoppable.  They climbed hills like
they weren't there.  They have so much power you won't believe you are in a Land
Rover... So, come spring, the Sgt. Major is going to find a new home and a
Yellow Defender 90 is going to find its way into my garage -- or maybe I'll keep
both.  And for anyone who says the new vehicles can;t compare with the old... Do
I have a videotape for you!

Anyway, the weekend was incredible, the BRLRC is an outstanding cl;ub in every
way (if you are anywhere on the East Coast, I would really recommend joining)
and the mountains of W.VA are amazing places for off-road driving.

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

Regards

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 06:07:35 -0800
From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: LR Wanted

I'm looking to purchase a Series IIA 88 of any year and in almost any
condition. It should be restorable or partially restored.

Anyone got one near Baltimore?

Chris

Chris Stevens
BCG Corporate Communications
1512 West Joppa Road
Baltimore, MD 21204
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
Chrisste@cerf.net

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:55:46 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Defender Hardtops

The Defender 90 hardtop was supposed to make its US debut at the Mid
Atlantic Rally in October, but....  I have a press release here that says
the new top will now be debuted at the international car show in Virginia
Beach this coming weekend.  (I'll use my press pass and see if I can sneak
in for free!).

Another rumor...the BMW 2.5 turbo diesel is likely to start showing up in
US spec Range Rovers and Discoveries soon....  It's already EPA-approved
for this country and it's a direct mate to the Rover gearbox.  As Gomer
Pyle would say, "Surprise, surprise...."

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Subject: Brooke on Letterman last night
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:29:37 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	Last night Brooke Shields was on the Letterman show.  The only
part that was relivant to this list was she mentioned Andre's Hummer.  And
that early in their relationship they were off roading in the middle of 
nowhere when the Hummer's transmission emmitted noises and died.
	How old is that Hummer?  And the transmission died?  Too bad
Russel and Nigel we're around to show up the Hummer.
 

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 14:11:16 -0500
Subject: Land Rover Centerfold

Madman Uncle Roger......that infamous Playboy Land Rover centerfold was in
the May 1992 issue.  But of course, I wouldn't know...just heard about it.

Jan Fisk
"I brake for mud puddles"
Springfield, Missouri

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Subject: Re: tools, supplies and travel plans 
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:15:05 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199411150303.AA15422@crl2.crl.com>you write:
> >4.  jack, lug wrench and jack stand.  I have to check on the jack and lug
> >wrench (does the dormobile have these already?)  but I've used my socket
> >wrench on the tiger.
  
> The rover has big nuts (no pun intended -- yeah, right).  I dunno if sockets 
> work; I have a big truck-size four way tire wrench from Grand Auto.  Works 
> for me, and fits behind the seats.  You'll probably need a bigger jack than 

	On my 88 the lug nuts are American Size 1 1/16 inch.

Benjamin Smith
Science Applications International Corp
bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
1972 SIII 88

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:56:15 EST
From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I have finally gotten copies of two original factory publications
for the NADA 6 cylinder vehicles: The Workshop Manual Supplement
and the parts List.  I will have copies of these made for any
interested parties @ $10.00 each to cove the cost of the copying.
Please note I am not selling this publication and am not authorized
to do so, only collecting the fee to have the copies made, postage
will be a separate cost.  I like the six cylinders and think they
will give good service if you maintain them.  Please no chatter on 
the subject.  If you want a copy just let me know with a check at
Robert Davis 1016 Pleasant Ridge Dr., Chesapeake, VA  23322. USA.
As it is now it takes about an hour to read all the chatter about weather to wash or not and what name for your Land Rover - Who Cares !!!
Its the vehicles, parts, technical problems, and helping each 
other that's imporetant, not a lot of chatter about nouthing -
are Land Rovers good for attracting the opposite sex - who cares !
R&D.

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:27:21 -0500
Subject: Re: What is a bugeye?

Dixon Writes...
 the headlamps stick out of the breakfast on earlier Land Rovers

What kind of breakfast cereal do YOU eat?

Seriously, Bugeyes were USA, 1968 only? Correct?

I was under the impression that bug eyes had 2 sets of headlamps, one set in
the wings, recessed in my case, and one set in the -er, breakfast, or as we
call it here in the US, radiator panel.

Then the Wayback Machine isnt really a bug-eye.
Boy, Will it be upset.

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
508-373-1788 (W)                                508-521-4093 (H)
508-521-1380 (FAX)
===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--===
1969 IIA SWB Not-Bugeye? - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next?

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 16:18:41 -0500
From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Centerfold

>Madman Uncle Roger......that infamous Playboy Land Rover centerfold was in
>the May 1992 issue.  But of course, I wouldn't know...just heard about it.

And it's not THE CENTERFOLD, but rather a two page picture in the Brides
Pictorial.  (Yup, brides.  Don't ask me where a hay-filled series
Land-Rover fits in.)

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg              Interactive Telecommunications Program
 Technical Administrator                         New York University
                          berg@acf2.nyu.edu
                          =================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life.
                      I can see it no other way.
                           --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                 ==

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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 94 16:36:06 EST
From: Brian Willoughby <BAWILL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      LROI American Subscription Info

Okay, I'm still waiting for the address of the American distributor for Land
Rover Owner International so I can subscribe and not have to scramble about
the world looking for my monthly $7.75 per issue copy.  I know that there is
some information along with all the miscellaneous publishing data; it is both
incorrect and imcomplete (note the 4-digit zip code for instance.)  This is
my third posting regarding this matter and to paraphrase Arlo Guthrie, I'm not
tired or proud and I will keep on posting until someone answers me.  P.S. I
already have the information for Land Rover World--thanks to those who provided
it to me.  E-mail me directly at the address below.  Thanks.
Brian Willoughby
bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Brooke on Letterman last night
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 19:26:12 EST

> 	Last night Brooke Shields was on the Letterman show.  The only
> part that was relivant to this list was she mentioned Andre's Hummer.  And
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> 	How old is that Hummer?  And the transmission died?  Too bad
> Russel and Nigel we're around to show up the Hummer.
ahhh.....Too bad that Andre character and his Hummer unit weren't around 
to be shown up by me and daNige.

.......and she didn't even mention me........

snifflesniffle,
drat,
women-who needs 'em?
rd/nige

ps if you don't care-don't read it! (should I start with my "how-to delete
instructions again???  I think not.)

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:30:13 PST
From: Brad Krohn <Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Bug-Eyes and Lumenition

Text item: Text_1

My Bug-Eye has just the single set of non-recessed lamps in the wings; 
nothing in the 'lunch basket'. There was an LRO article some time back 
talking about Rover in North America which included a photo showing 
same. The same picture is in one of the Land Rover "collectible" books.

My registration, etc. says '69 -- and I had heard/read some source that 
said it actually was the first half of the 69 model year. Of course, my 
insurance agent has it down as a Toyota LandRover.<sheeesh>

And, Spenny, remember that Rovers are very forgiving. 

On another topic, I can report that the Lumenition units are persnickety 
little devils when your voltage drops anything below normal. The timing 
gets all whacky and you're reduced to a life of hesitation, backfiring 
and so on. Nice thing is, keep the electrics up to snuff and it purrrs. 

=======================================================================
"ROVER? WHO DRIVES IT?"                     Brad_Krohn@ccm.hf.intel.com
"That would be telling." -The Prisoner              '69 IIA 88" Bug-Eye
=======================================================================

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: ITS ON THE ROAD AT LAST !!!!!!
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 13:15:11 EDT

Howdy all,
           I finally got my Series 1 on the road, after having an engine pipe
made up for my exhaust yesterday!!

First Impressions.
It was noisy, some commented on the fact that it sounded like a tractor.
It blew smoke.
It was slow.

But I loved it, the only problem was the regulator on my altenator is 
playing up so that it is over charging at the moment, so I could not 
drive it far, but that should be fixed when I get  home tonight.  I hope 
that it stops blowing smoke, once the motor starts to settle in.  Any one 
with experience with 2.25 diesels know about how many miles you have to 
clock up before the motor is settled in?

One thing worried me though, while I was driving up a hill, it all of a 
sudden lost power, then stalled, for no reason.  I had the ignition 
turned off at the time, so was unsure of what happened with the oil situation
(I will have to put an oil presure gauge in soon)  I am not sure of why this
happened, but the gasket that goes on the inspection plate, where you 
time the distributor pump was stuffed, and was leaking a fair bit, but 
when I started the motor, it fired first pop, so if it ran out of diesel, 
I should have to spin the motor over a bit to re prime the distributor 
pump.  Does any one have any opinions on why it stopped?  As it never 
happened again on the way home, which was at least another 14 miles.

I am also curious as to what sort of milage other people get out of 2.25 
diesel Landies, as the only other person with one that I know gets about 
30MPG no matter what he does, towing a caravan, off roading, but he does 
have an over drive.

Also how do these motor perform up the bush, as this is the main reason 
that I put this motor in, as I heard that they were fairly good up the bush.

Thanks

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia             (Currently on Digest Mode)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   (Anxiously waiting to drive)

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Subject: Diesel pump specs reqd
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 20:43:07 -0500

I have a diesel pump off of a late 2a 88 , a CAV DPA type to check over 
for a friend. Does anyone have any technical specs on this unit so I can 
calibrated it on the test bed.

Also looking for the braking pressure for the injectors please

Rgds

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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